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Why is Pick-Up a MUST for you?

Richard

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Hey guys, just need some quick feedback on a relatively straight forward question. I'm doing this mostly for research and data points to gain further insight into how to motivate people. Anyway, why is pick-up a must for you instead of just a want?

What prompted you to get out there and start approaching women instead of staying at home glaring at a computer screen?

Use as much or as little detail as you want. Go nuts fellas ;)

-Richard
 

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For me it was realizing that getting women was a skill that could be improved rather then the luck of the draw.

Common knowledge is that you should "be yourself" when dating, which communicates that the quality of women you get is more or less out of your control.
 

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Richard said:
What prompted you to get out there and start approaching women instead of staying at home glaring at a computer screen?

Always looking for new experiences and that feeling when you just push your comfort zone and challenged your self-limiting belief makes me feel more like a man.
 

Jaimie Richards

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Hello Richard,

Straight to the answer - there are many of my reasons, so I've made a list in a logical order: those 'never again' moments (1), my own pride (2), the image of myself in the future (3), self-improvement (4) and future endeavors both on career level (5) and also on a personal one (6). I'd like to explain each one of these shortly.

Ad.1. I think all of us have at least one of those moments under our belts, yet it's necessary to mention them. This motivation is simple: I don't want to ever have to endure my previous failures - I want success instead of them.

Ad. 2. The reason why the so-called 'never again!' moments are so significant to me is my own pride. This character feat has always been there at the back of my head. For a prideful man, such occurrences hurt twice as much.

Ad. 3. Keeping in mind two previous reasons, some time ago I spent a lot of time wondering about the future. The conclusion was this one: if I don't do my best to become a better man in general (including social skills and thus - for example - pick-up), I'll become someone like the main character from the movie "Day of the Wacko" (more info here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330243/) or another bitter variation of this archetype. Such variations also Include older men and women met in everyday life who I remember from childhood times as way merrier people than nowadays.

Ad. 4. Therefore, there is a need for me to keep getting better every single day in as many ways as possible.

Ad. 5. If I succeed at achieving this particular goal, I'll hopefully be able to develop the most suitable career path for me - with most satisfaction as well as the highest amount of people who will have a benefit because of my current and future works.

Ad. 6. Which also includes personal goals like paying my debt here and helping others to become the best versions of themselves.

So, summing up: my motivation is both a carrot and a stick: I don't want to die without satisfaction, without pride, without achieving something meaningful (the stick) and at the same time I want achieve greatest possible highest (the carrot). In this chain of thought seduction is a MUST - becoming a charming, charismatic, socially calibrated man will make many things so much easier to achieve. For these same reasons, regular workouts, proper nutrition etc. are also MUSTS as they are needed to become truly exceptional.

That all being said, I would be very curious what sources for learning how to properly motivate people you would recommend (that's a truly interesting field of knowledge).

I hope this helps :)

Take care,
Jaimie
 

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In my case it was really that I had hit rock bottom...

I had more or less fluked my way into a good relationship with a younger woman after divorce, but acted needy and dependent, and after one year drove her away (maybe not clear cut but that's the synopsis anyway)... after this became a bit depressed and was using porn more than previously (had used it during my marriage a bit and during my next relationship a bit, but it was more or less under control)... in the following months I had various dates, but with women I wasn't particularly attracted to (was in scarcity mode so any girl who showed interest was automatically a target)... and repeatedly failed to get an erection, partly because I was not attracted and partly because I was using a lot of porn... this gave my confidence a big knock and I stopped dating for 3 to 6 months and got even more lonely and depressed.

At this point I randomly stumbled upon GC, and after reading a couple of chapters of Chase's ebook late at night one night, I had this "aha" moment and thought, shit, I can actually do this and get the love life I have always dreamed of... so I committed there and then to putting into practice what I had already read, and the rest of the book as well. It's a work in progress, but there are only a few areas that I still struggle with. The first is my fundamentals (voice, weight, eye contact and sometimes posture... other fundamentals in very good shape though). The second is my sexy vibe, and the third is rewarding/punishing to make girls chase. When I can get these under control then I will have achieved my goal of putting Chase's ebook into practice. I'm not too far off. I also have some goals not in the ebook.

Interestingly though it's not just the picking up women side that I get the most out of at the moment, it's doing things I'd always planned to do but put off (such as fixing my voice issues, still a work in progress though), and it's becoming less of a pushover and having healthier relationships with the people in my life... becoming aware of when I was people-pleasing and being a "nice guy" (the book by Dr Robert Glover was written with me in mind)... becoming less of a follower and more of a leader... and becoming aware of deep seated emotional issues that are holding me back, I was more-or-less in denial previously about my emotional problems and lack of self confidence, since my conscious brain told myself I was very confident and assertive, when in reality that side (my natural self) was only peeking out occasionally.

Ray

PS. While I'm here I may as well give a shout-out to Chase, Franco, Drexel and all the other members (not just the rank4 members) who have helped me out with problems, this site has really changed my life.
 

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Honestly? I'm pretty sure I have histrionic disorder.

Along with the fact that, while I've gotten good at other skills, I was never great at any of them. This is to prove to myself that I have the potential to be among the best in something. The actual girls themselves...meh. I really do like them. But I definitely never would have made it this far if there wasn't competition I had to prove to myself I could beat.

Edit: what's the plan - are you trying to come up with a way to motivate people from scratch? Like, reasons to start even though they aren't motivated now?

~Nick
 
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It depends.

For me, if i do not have a curious drive, it can become something which i don't do. It's pretty funny how our drives work, but we can illusioned it. The key here is how.

There's a book called "Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us". I haven't read it yet.

Zac
 

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What Drexell said.

It's emotionally draining and stressful being clueless with women.
And emmensely liberating when you understand them.

Not to mention the growth as a man that accompanies this journey.
 

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What other option did I have?

Option A: Continue being a scrub that gets pussy on average once every 18 years (literally) with underpar women. Continue getting one-itus for every girl that says hi to me and fucking up every good opportunity I get with women because I don't know what to do.

Option B: Work really really hard, get rejected massively, destroy my self image to rebuild it back in order to have whatever choice I want with women along with whatever type of relationship I desire as well.

I think Tony Robbins says a person will have the motivation to make a change when the pain of making the change outweighs the very real pain of living in the status quo.

-Rob
 

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Richard,

I think J Wick has a solid answer here:

It's emotionally draining and stressful being clueless with women.
And emmensely liberating when you understand them.

Not to mention the growth as a man that accompanies this journey.

I haven't read the rest of the responses, but I'll give a +1 to this. And a +1 to Drexel's "to the point" answer as well. ;)

- Franco
 

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Pandora's box effect.

Once I knew I couldn't know and not improve on it.

Jake.
 

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I just was hoping to get much more girls to "like" me sexually instead of as mere friends. Getting girls as friends and chat-up buddies has never ever been hard for me. I only never knew what to do for the ones who I wanted a romantic connecion with or a sexual relationship with. Overtime, that desire to get better grew and plateaued and well, it gets better and at least everything already answered on this post above encapsulates what has kept it a MUST for me.

Oh, and it took me off Porn too - that's like a benefit though but I keep it as a reason for the MUST because I dont have to wait to watch another clip, I just get out there and do approaches and whether I fall flat or win them, I am far more productive as a whole socially than in front of so and so websites.

Enjoy Modasuckas!
 

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I was ashamed of myself when I got to college. Being a virgin and hell never even kissing a girl too now that I think about it.

Though I become complacent like now when I fuck someone suitable for a while it always feels good to get back out their fail a little then start winning :)
 

Richard

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PrettyDecent said:
Honestly? I'm pretty sure I have histrionic disorder.

Along with the fact that, while I've gotten good at other skills, I was never great at any of them. This is to prove to myself that I have the potential to be among the best in something. The actual girls themselves...meh. I really do like them. But I definitely never would have made it this far if there wasn't competition I had to prove to myself I could beat.

Edit: what's the plan - are you trying to come up with a way to motivate people from scratch? Like, reasons to start even though they aren't motivated now?

~Nick

Hit me up on Facebook and we'll talk about it ;)

For everybody else, great answers so far. I'm really trying to hone in on the part about actually starting pick-up. Many of you guys gave answers from a "looking back" perspective, I'm also interested in how you were thinking, feeling, and acting while "looking forward" from the starting line.
 

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For everybody else, great answers so far. I'm really trying to hone in on the part about actually starting pick-up. Many of you guys gave answers from a "looking back" perspective, I'm also interested in how you were thinking, feeling, and acting while "looking forward" from the starting line.

Don't think I can speak for everyone else; but can speak for myself.

So from a looking-forward perspective then...

For me, as much as I am at times a rational guy and a low empathy, stubbonly logical guy: I feel as though it was destiny.

Destiny being not some magical wind of fate that had things be, but rather: nature within me and casues that I was born with and that manifested themselves in me without my choice that had me need pickup and end up finding it.

I always had the pull to other women and draw for multiple women since my earliest memories (4 years or so on). Would get hard too, and lust over women, and look at tits on magazines that i had hidden in the clubhouse under my bed. I never had a phase of "eww girls are gross" or "I don't like girls" or "they have cooties". I also never had a phase where I was really falling for a girl without dually being into other girls thinking about wondering about and wanting to do things with other girls.

I would fall for and really jusut be enamored by one girl after another, 1-4 different girls every year during each year of elementary school and then more each year from further on as the years went on. Had my first sexual experiences with a girl at such a young age for the both of us, perhpas too young for me to mention but younger than most. Was always aware of girls being into me from as young as I can remember, multiple girls into me, noticing me, talking about me, checking me out, flirting with me, from a young age.

Wasn't particularly good looking and was skinnier than most of those girls up all the way through even high school, but still it would be this way. Chase has said it may be a mix of personality disorder and high testosterone/high sex drive. I have both; have it in some crazy and at times rather disturbing and perhaps problematic doses. Always felt that it was nature, that i had no choice in the matter and that i was born into it.

Born into wanting multiple women, needing it and potentailly never being able to really settle down and not have the need for other women (perhaps that fades with age and testosterone decline; or fades after I have kids, but I can only speculate, albeit uselessly... time will tell about that).

I was 13 or 14 when I first heard the term pickup artist from my friend. He told me that yeah these guys jsut go and meet girls meet them on the street and stuff and pickup girls and sleep with them. That exists, these guys exist, there are guys that actually go and do this !! I'd been searching for this my whole life, some part of me within me had been looking for this my whole life and I couldnt believe that this existed. knew one day that would be me would have to be me, must be me, at nature i had such a strong pull for it that had to have that (had no choice in the matter)!

I was 15 (might have been 14) when another friend of mine entrusted me with the game after a heart to heart discusision about girls I liked and were triygn to make headway with and girls he liked and was trying to do the same with. He gave me a pdf told me it was a sacred book and not to tell anyone or share it with anyone that it was inredibly secret and no one can know of the secret and dont tell anyone.

Strauss is a genius with how he marketed the book, how he made it be something so secretive and taboo but dually something that guys must read have to read, just as girls would have to watch 50 shades of grey (ah maybe a better analogy exists but can't think of a better one at the moment). Read it; told no one; went onto read much more pickup literature conequently. Worked on my fundamentals and getting better reactions from girls all through high school. Had some shoddy successes but nothing too special or exceptional in particular.

Found girlshchase either beginning of college or late end of high scshool. Was the best stuff I read and I think it was so part because chase presents it all so well so scientifically and is an effecctive communicator but also in part because I could identify with him felt as though was of a similar mind and what he had to say was fitting for me in that right.

(I think it is a matter of personality and who you charcteristically are that allows for you to be into pickup and then furhter ii into pickup, personlality/inner cahracteristics allow for you be into who and what subgroup primarily.) On a personal charcteristic level the game and shotgun approaching and opinon openers that characteristic of strauss and his material could appeal to folk of that characteristic nature. For me I was scientific, sought answers that were rational logical practical and experiential. Chase provided all that and more.

Found the site put it to work. Still have a fucking long way to go.

But yeah found it, and never looked back. Still don't look back. The journey continues.

:)

EDIT: Oh and sorry about my spelling; drilled this out kind of quickly but didn't have the time to go back and edit at the moment; cheers
 

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I'm also interested in how you were thinking, feeling, and acting while "looking forward" from the starting line.

The moment I realized I would do pick-up, I was looking forward to getting over my ex.
 
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