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Mystique

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It’s been a while I posted here. Prior to this time I’ve had a small group of seducers who I discuss seduction with. But I’ve realized how limited it is, and many times I have questions that can’t really be answered. Like this one.

I relocated, and in the past 7 months I’ve laid about 45 girls. One of them is currently my gf —I’m running a one-sided monogamy. We’ve been dating for 3 months now. It’s my first time trying out a longterm relationship, so there’s just a lot of inexperience on my part.

My problem is she isn’t chasing. I hear guys talking about how their gfs want to spend every waking moment with them —texting and calling, asking for more time/attention— but mine isn’t that way. I’ve never had a single week where I’ve seen my gf 3 times, and 2 times is more rare than the norm (if you don’t count sleepovers). So most times I see her once a week, even some weeks in the past, I’ve not gotten to see her.

For example, the last time we met was Saturday. We went out at night, came back, and she spent half of Sunday with me before leaving. We talked about a lot of things, including having threesomes —I finally convinced her, after assuring her that I won’t mess around with the girl behind her back. Her fear was that she might lose me to the other girl.

I texted her on Tuesday to ask her about the days she’s free and she said she’s waiting for her timetable (she just resumed school on Monday). Texted her the next day to ask if she got it, she said yes. I called and we talked about it —Mondays n Tuesdays her classes end in the morning. The other days by afternoon.

So I tell her, let’s just meet on Friday and she says she’ll let me know. In my mind i’m baffled —we haven’t seen throughout the week, and Friday is towards the end of it. Isn’t she supposed to be eager to meet? So I ask her “what do you mean by you’ll think about it”, and she says, “I didn’t say we won’t see. It’s just that I’ll be finishing classes late”. I can’t say exactly how the conversation ended, but she wasn’t really giving me total assurance. And oh, my birthday is actually on Saturday.

I later texted her to ask we meet after her classes, same day. (man, typing this I realized how much chasing I had done). About 3 hours later I mistakenly dialed her number and quickly ended it. She texted “I’m still in class. Please wait”. She never texted back throughout that day.

The crazy part is she’s very affectionate when we’re physically together. She’s how a typical girlfriend should be, and I have zero complaints. But once she’s gone, I’m not getting random calls or texts or a strong eagerness to spend several days with me. Instead, it’s more like I’m chasing her.

What could be the reason?

Can this problem be solved?

She has ignored my request to see her, what should be my reaction when she finally texts/calls… should I ignore her, or?

Now, I’ll have to admit, the relationship didn’t start smoothly —I made a lot of mistakes that put me in the chasing position, and maybe that precedence is what I’m suffering right now?

First time we had sex she told me, “I like you” and I didn’t say it back. She repeated with, “I really like you”, and all I did was kiss her. She then asked me what are we. I told her something along the lines of “we just met. let’s see how it goes”. Needless to say, it wasn’t reassuring enough. So I spent the next few weeks trying to get her to come see me but she kept on flaking. I was losing my mind. I knew we shared a very strong connection and I could tell she really liked me. So why tf wasn’t she coming out to see me?

At some point I got pissed and I couldn’t hide it. We argued. Later that night she called, saying her period was delayed. So I told her to come over. She came over the next day and I got a kit. This was a month after I first laid her. She tested and it was negative. We had great sex and I told her that I liked her. She was over the moon and I thought that was all she needed to know.

After she left, it was impossible to see her. She was once again flaky. One of the days we were to meet, I saw the signs she was going to flake again so I tried to make her jealous by posting on whatsapp a video of me and another girl. She immediately responded to my text, but she wasn’t saying she’d meet up. At this point I had had enough so I shot her a sort of ball-in-your-court text, but with a twist since we had already had sex.

She told me I wanted something casual but she didn’t want that. She likes me too much and it’s one-sided. And that she had even seen my gf that I posted. I felt relieved, now I knew what the problem was. I cleared the air, made her understand that I liked her a lot and wanted something more than casual sex. And the girl I posted was to make her jealous. Finally, she came over.

But after that, things went back to how it was and I couldn’t meet with her. I felt I hadn’t assured her enough, I realized she probably wanted a relationship. It was already 2 months since we first had sex. So I commented on a post she made and randomly called her my gf. She was over the moon, excited, and asked that we meet up, all on her own. Then I made a mistake. I told her before we conclude anything there’s something I needed to tell her first when we meet —It was the one-sided monogamy talk. She insisted i tell, and instead of waiting till we met physically I called and laid it on her.

She felt bad, told me that’s not what she wanted and then went silent on me despite my insistence we meet to talk about it. Two days later I called and told her we go see a movie together, doesn’t have to be as bf n gf. After meeting and having sex, things just flowed naturally into a relationship with her accepting the relationship dynamics.

But all of this time, through all of these issues, my first reaction —as a guy inexperienced in relationship— was to chase. But now that things are settled, I expected the dynamics to change —I expected her to give the chase. But that’s not the case, and I’m tired. The only times she’s chased —and chased pretty hard— was whenever she felt threatened by another girl. Like if I posted something and a girl was talking in the background, etc. Then she’d text n keep calling till I responded.

I’d love to hear what the experienced guys in relationships have to say. Also some immediate advice on what to do when she eventually reaches out to me after ignoring my text about us meeting.

Edit: She just texted me (It’s 5am the next day. I texted her about the meet yesterday afternoon) saying she was too exhausted but she’ll try and make it today. Makes me wonder if perhaps I’m tripping and just overreacting.
 
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This looks unsalvageable and the best move is to break up with her and move on. If you can bang 45 chicks in a 7 month span, which averages out to 7 chicks a month then you should have no issue getting into a better situation. Too many things went wrong with ur "gf" and it looks like you have been in damage control mode for the entirety of those 3 months you've been seeing her.

First thing that stood out to me is that you seems like you are bombarding her with mixed signals. You should mentally know where you want things to go very early on and start pushing things in that direction so that you don't end up confusing women. She is probably confused AF as to what is going on with the relationship. Secondly you promoted her to a LTR when she hasn't earned it yet so now she doesn't really respect you. I say that because its clear that her compliance levels are low and she is very aloof towards you. Its your fault that shes acting the way she is due to your mixed signals and lack of affection, and there really is no way to turn it around. In your case its better to take the L and move on otherwise you will continue dealing with headaches, frustrations and unhappiness in this "relationship". Lastly, you are chasing way too hard. If she says shes busy then stop harassing her and trying to get her to come out, she is controlling you like a puppet right now and has lost all interest.
 

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I relocated, and in the past 7 months I’ve laid about 45 girls. One of them is currently my gf —I’m running a one-sided monogamy. We’ve been dating for 3 months now. It’s my first time trying out a longterm relationship, so there’s just a lot of inexperience on my part.

Damn G! 45 girls in 7 months is pretty impressive

My problem is she isn’t chasing. I hear guys talking about how their gfs want to spend every waking moment with them —texting and calling, asking for more time/attention— but mine isn’t that way.

Making a girl chase can feel good for the ego and you definitely want them more invested in the relationship than you so let's see what's going on

I’ve never had a single week where I’ve seen my gf 3 times, and 2 times is more rare than the norm (if you don’t count sleepovers). So most times I see her once a week, even some weeks in the past, I’ve not gotten to see her.

For example, the last time we met was Saturday. We went out at night, came back, and she spent half of Sunday with me before leaving. We talked about a lot of things, including having threesomes —I finally convinced her, after assuring her that I won’t mess around with the girl behind her back. Her fear was that she might lose me to the other girl.

Hmmmm I already see a hint of why she's not chasing

I texted her on Tuesday to ask her about the days she’s free and she said she’s waiting for her timetable (she just resumed school on Monday). Texted her the next day to ask if she got it, she said yes. I called and we talked about it —Mondays n Tuesdays her classes end in the morning. The other days by afternoon.

This is going to sound silly but..... How can your GF chase you if you are the one initiating contact all the time?

Look you texted her on Tuesday, then Monday and followed up with a call.... Where is the room for her to come to you? If a girl did this to me I would be slightly annoyed

So I tell her, let’s just meet on Friday and she says she’ll let me know.

Oh no! The dreaded "I'll let you know" text

Womanese for.... bro you're turning me off right now, please give me some space

In my mind i’m baffled —we haven’t seen throughout the week, and Friday is towards the end of it. Isn’t she supposed to be eager to meet?

You're using guy logic

Why should she be so eager to meet you when you are the one pushing for more closeness?

So I ask her “what do you mean by you’ll think about it”, and she says, “I didn’t say we won’t see. It’s just that I’ll be finishing classes late”.

You failed that test...

A better response to her text would have been "Ok" then wait until she gets back to you

I can’t say exactly how the conversation ended, but she wasn’t really giving me total assurance. And oh, my birthday is actually on Saturday.

Yikes!

Bro you're the man. You should be the one giving her re-assurance.

I later texted her to ask we meet after her classes, same day. (man, typing this I realized how much chasing I had done). About 3 hours later I mistakenly dialed her number and quickly ended it. She texted “I’m still in class. Please wait”. She never texted back throughout that day.

This is horrible... At this point your GF is probably thinking why am I dating a stalker?

The crazy part is she’s very affectionate when we’re physically together. She’s how a typical girlfriend should be, and I have zero complaints. But once she’s gone, I’m not getting random calls or texts or a strong eagerness to spend several days with me. Instead, it’s more like I’m chasing her.

Yup! You are right about you are the one chasing

It's funny but when you are in chase mode you are also horrible at reading your woman. I'm willing to bet that during your in person interactions you are also doing a lot of chasing

She likes you and loves getting doted on. But once she leaves she feels like she has had her fill. So for her to chase you have to leave her wanting more of what you got

You know you're doing it right when you got to kick her out the house because she doesn't want to leave

Can this problem be solved?

Yes... by you chilling out

She has ignored my request to see her, what should be my reaction when she finally texts/calls… should I ignore her, or?

You should give her space man

Let her contact you first for once. Even if it takes a week or 2

And when she finally contacts you, make it seem like it's no big deal

First time we had sex she told me, “I like you” and I didn’t say it back. She repeated with, “I really like you”, and all I did was kiss her. She then asked me what are we. I told her something along the lines of “we just met. let’s see how it goes”. Needless to say, it wasn’t reassuring enough. So I spent the next few weeks trying to get her to come see me but she kept on flaking.

Ah! This is where it all started

At this point she was being distant because your attainability was low. You were too busy posturing being too cool for school that you couldn't mirror her interest back

She was chasing and if you gave her some positive reinforcement she would have kept chasing. Reward your girl for her good behavior if you want more good behavior. But then when she pulled away guess what you did? You began to chase... hence rewarding her for being cold and distant.

Put yourself in a girls shoes and imagine how much of a mind-fuck this is

Her: "I really like this guy and when I was vulnerable and opened up he slapped me in my face. But when I pulled away to lick my wounds he began showing me more affection. Could it be that for me to get this guy I have to play it cool?"

At some point I got pissed and I couldn’t hide it. We argued. Later that night she called, saying her period was delayed. So I told her to come over. She came over the next day and I got a kit. This was a month after I first laid her. She tested and it was negative. We had great sex and I told her that I liked her. She was over the moon and I thought that was all she needed to know.

OMG. This is horrendous

She brings drama to your doorstep with arguments and a pregnancy scare, and you decide this is the perfect time to finally be vulnerable with her.

Bro you are literally training your girl to treat you like shit

After she left, it was impossible to see her. She was once again flaky.

Yes. Because you've taught her that being flaky is a great way to raise your interest. So why wouldn't she do it

One of the days we were to meet, I saw the signs she was going to flake again so I tried to make her jealous by posting on whatsapp a video of me and another girl. She immediately responded to my text, but she wasn’t saying she’d meet up. At this point I had had enough so I shot her a sort of ball-in-your-court text, but with a twist since we had already had sex.

Unnecessary drama

Once again bad conditioning. The whatsapp video was way too try hard, and she reached out to call your bluff. You failed because if you were so busy having fun with that other girl why are you now so keen to see her?

She knows she has you by the balls and that you're more invested in the relationship than her

She told me I wanted something casual but she didn’t want that. She likes me too much and it’s one-sided. And that she had even seen my gf that I posted. I felt relieved, now I knew what the problem was. I cleared the air, made her understand that I liked her a lot and wanted something more than casual sex. And the girl I posted was to make her jealous. Finally, she came over.

Oh no!!!!

See what I said before. she knew she had you by the nuts so went for the Hail Mary and you folded. Never make a girl your girlfriend when she delivers an ultimatum. She needs to earn the title with a good amount of time of good behavior

So can you see why you are fucked? Every-time she gives you a negative you give her a positive. She is in full control of the relationship and therefore doesn't need to chase

But after that, things went back to how it was and I couldn’t meet with her.

No surprise there

I felt I hadn’t assured her enough, I realized she probably wanted a relationship. It was already 2 months since we first had sex. So I commented on a post she made and randomly called her my gf. She was over the moon, excited, and asked that we meet up, all on her own. Then I made a mistake. I told her before we conclude anything there’s something I needed to tell her first when we meet —It was the one-sided monogamy talk. She insisted i tell, and instead of waiting till we met physically I called and laid it on her.

She felt bad, told me that’s not what she wanted and then went silent on me despite my insistence we meet to talk about it. Two days later I called and told her we go see a movie together, doesn’t have to be as bf n gf. After meeting and having sex, things just flowed naturally into a relationship with her accepting the relationship dynamics.

My head hurts

But all of this time, through all of these issues, my first reaction —as a guy inexperienced in relationship— was to chase. But now that things are settled, I expected the dynamics to change —I expected her to give the chase. But that’s not the case, and I’m tired. The only times she’s chased —and chased pretty hard— was whenever she felt threatened by another girl. Like if I posted something and a girl was talking in the background, etc. Then she’d text n keep calling till I responded.

Why would the dynamic change? Think about it

She threw drama, was distant and flaky and you rewarded her with the title of your GF. Women follow their emotions and not logic

I’d love to hear what the experienced guys in relationships have to say. Also some immediate advice on what to do when she eventually reaches out to me after ignoring my text about us meeting.

Edit: She just texted me (It’s 5am the next day. I texted her about the meet yesterday afternoon) saying she was too exhausted but she’ll try and make it today. Makes me wonder if perhaps I’m tripping and just overreacting.

Okay this dynamic is very messed up and you won't be able to fix it overnight but you need to pull all the way back. Forget about schedules, forget about labels, forget about girlfriend duties.

On your next meet focus on being warm and sexual while forgetting about all the relationship stuff. Make no plans to see her again after this date. Eventually she will reach out again then you can set up another date

Ideally let her setup the next 3-4 dates on her own. Don't help her, let her chase you for once. Whenever she chases reward her and make sure you also let her chase in person too.

Then after the 4 dates you can start reaching out to her again but let her contact you more. A good ratio will be 3(her) : 1(you)

Also, in between your dates focus on yourself G! Have a life, make some money, go fuck mo bitches. Your woman should be a complement to your life and not the focus

Your girl likes you but you have to start training her on how she should love you. Because if you keep up this behavior you are going to get dumped real quick
 
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Skills

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It’s been a while I posted here. Prior to this time I’ve had a small group of seducers who I discuss seduction with. But I’ve realized how limited it is, and many times I have questions that can’t really be answered. Like this one.

I relocated, and in the past 7 months I’ve laid about 45 girls. One of them is currently my gf —I’m running a one-sided monogamy. We’ve been dating for 3 months now. It’s my first time trying out a longterm relationship, so there’s just a lot of inexperience on my part.

My problem is she isn’t chasing. I hear guys talking about how their gfs want to spend every waking moment with them —texting and calling, asking for more time/attention— but mine isn’t that way. I’ve never had a single week where I’ve seen my gf 3 times, and 2 times is more rare than the norm (if you don’t count sleepovers). So most times I see her once a week, even some weeks in the past, I’ve not gotten to see her.

For example, the last time we met was Saturday. We went out at night, came back, and she spent half of Sunday with me before leaving. We talked about a lot of things, including having threesomes —I finally convinced her, after assuring her that I won’t mess around with the girl behind her back. Her fear was that she might lose me to the other girl.

I texted her on Tuesday to ask her about the days she’s free and she said she’s waiting for her timetable (she just resumed school on Monday). Texted her the next day to ask if she got it, she said yes. I called and we talked about it —Mondays n Tuesdays her classes end in the morning. The other days by afternoon.

So I tell her, let’s just meet on Friday and she says she’ll let me know. In my mind i’m baffled —we haven’t seen throughout the week, and Friday is towards the end of it. Isn’t she supposed to be eager to meet? So I ask her “what do you mean by you’ll think about it”, and she says, “I didn’t say we won’t see. It’s just that I’ll be finishing classes late”. I can’t say exactly how the conversation ended, but she wasn’t really giving me total assurance. And oh, my birthday is actually on Saturday.

I later texted her to ask we meet after her classes, same day. (man, typing this I realized how much chasing I had done). About 3 hours later I mistakenly dialed her number and quickly ended it. She texted “I’m still in class. Please wait”. She never texted back throughout that day.

The crazy part is she’s very affectionate when we’re physically together. She’s how a typical girlfriend should be, and I have zero complaints. But once she’s gone, I’m not getting random calls or texts or a strong eagerness to spend several days with me. Instead, it’s more like I’m chasing her.

What could be the reason?

Can this problem be solved?

She has ignored my request to see her, what should be my reaction when she finally texts/calls… should I ignore her, or?

Now, I’ll have to admit, the relationship didn’t start smoothly —I made a lot of mistakes that put me in the chasing position, and maybe that precedence is what I’m suffering right now?

First time we had sex she told me, “I like you” and I didn’t say it back. She repeated with, “I really like you”, and all I did was kiss her. She then asked me what are we. I told her something along the lines of “we just met. let’s see how it goes”. Needless to say, it wasn’t reassuring enough. So I spent the next few weeks trying to get her to come see me but she kept on flaking. I was losing my mind. I knew we shared a very strong connection and I could tell she really liked me. So why tf wasn’t she coming out to see me?

At some point I got pissed and I couldn’t hide it. We argued. Later that night she called, saying her period was delayed. So I told her to come over. She came over the next day and I got a kit. This was a month after I first laid her. She tested and it was negative. We had great sex and I told her that I liked her. She was over the moon and I thought that was all she needed to know.

After she left, it was impossible to see her. She was once again flaky. One of the days we were to meet, I saw the signs she was going to flake again so I tried to make her jealous by posting on whatsapp a video of me and another girl. She immediately responded to my text, but she wasn’t saying she’d meet up. At this point I had had enough so I shot her a sort of ball-in-your-court text, but with a twist since we had already had sex.

She told me I wanted something casual but she didn’t want that. She likes me too much and it’s one-sided. And that she had even seen my gf that I posted. I felt relieved, now I knew what the problem was. I cleared the air, made her understand that I liked her a lot and wanted something more than casual sex. And the girl I posted was to make her jealous. Finally, she came over.

But after that, things went back to how it was and I couldn’t meet with her. I felt I hadn’t assured her enough, I realized she probably wanted a relationship. It was already 2 months since we first had sex. So I commented on a post she made and randomly called her my gf. She was over the moon, excited, and asked that we meet up, all on her own. Then I made a mistake. I told her before we conclude anything there’s something I needed to tell her first when we meet —It was the one-sided monogamy talk. She insisted i tell, and instead of waiting till we met physically I called and laid it on her.

She felt bad, told me that’s not what she wanted and then went silent on me despite my insistence we meet to talk about it. Two days later I called and told her we go see a movie together, doesn’t have to be as bf n gf. After meeting and having sex, things just flowed naturally into a relationship with her accepting the relationship dynamics.

But all of this time, through all of these issues, my first reaction —as a guy inexperienced in relationship— was to chase. But now that things are settled, I expected the dynamics to change —I expected her to give the chase. But that’s not the case, and I’m tired. The only times she’s chased —and chased pretty hard— was whenever she felt threatened by another girl. Like if I posted something and a girl was talking in the background, etc. Then she’d text n keep calling till I responded.

I’d love to hear what the experienced guys in relationships have to say. Also some immediate advice on what to do when she eventually reaches out to me after ignoring my text about us meeting.

Edit: She just texted me (It’s 5am the next day. I texted her about the meet yesterday afternoon) saying she was too exhausted but she’ll try and make it today. Makes me wonder if perhaps I’m tripping and just overreacting.
jesus! you are totally taking the FEMININE ROLE of the relationship, you are the girl of the relationship she is the dude..... you act like my mains act towards me, your girl acts like i act with my girls....

I don't think is your fault, you are writing the post on the forum cause you feel uneasy, you feel imbalance... you are not used to be in this new type of situation. kind of out of control.... you chose this girl out of 45 plus girls, and you are not getting the reactions that you got with the other girls and you feel vulnerable...

Anyways, the main problem is that you have too much time on your hands you are chasing her schedule, your girls is a busy girl, i love women that are super busy like your girl, cause more of free time for me....

it seems you are making her your world, this is the fastest way to dry vaginas... You are going to the fastlane of being codependant...

There is no need to be calculating, and running game or make her chase on your girl this is needy in itself.... Keep yourself busy, keep being attractive focus on you, and give her some breathing room, stop chasing her schedule, she met a cool you, not this starting to be needy and a burden version on you.... I tell my girls "don't feel like you have to see me, i am super cool and flexible, if you have stuff to do is fine" i reward them being busy and having time to herself, don't become a burden to your girl, were she gets to the point that you become weight on her legs, and she feels obligated to do things with you vs desire (worst position to be ever i have been there)....

I will recommend you to read yesterday mark manson models and the passion trap
 

Mystique

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This looks unsalvageable and the best move is to break up with her and move on. If you can bang 45 chicks in a 7 month span, which averages out to 7 chicks a month then you should have no issue getting into a better situation. Too many things went wrong with ur "gf" and it looks like you have been in damage control mode for the entirety of those 3 months you've been seeing her.

First thing that stood out to me is that you seems like you are bombarding her with mixed signals. You should mentally know where you want things to go very early on and start pushing things in that direction so that you don't end up confusing women. She is probably confused AF as to what is going on with the relationship. Secondly you promoted her to a LTR when she hasn't earned it yet so now she doesn't really respect you. I say that because its clear that her compliance levels are low and she is very aloof towards you. Its your fault that shes acting the way she is due to your mixed signals and lack of affection, and there really is no way to turn it around. In your case its better to take the L and move on otherwise you will continue dealing with headaches, frustrations and unhappiness in this "relationship". Lastly, you are chasing way too hard. If she says shes busy then stop harassing her and trying to get her to come out, she is controlling you like a puppet right now and has lost all interest.
I understand why you’d suggest this. And tbh, it has crossed my mind several times to just end it. But isn’t that cowardice —running away from your problems?

It’s no guarantee that my next relationship will be any better. So I thought it’s better to try and fix it, and probably learn some relationship skills along the way.

Also, it’s not like it’s her fault. These problems I’m facing, I brought them upon myself. So let’s see if I can fix it. Breaking up should be the last resort —after all else fails
 
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Mystique

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Damn G! 45 girls in 7 months is pretty impressive



Making a girl chase can feel good for the ego and you definitely want them more invested in the relationship than you so let's see what's going on



Hmmmm I already see a hint of why she's not chasing



This is going to sound silly but..... How can your GF chase you if you are the one initiating contact all the time?

Look you texted her on Tuesday, then Monday and followed up with a call.... Where is the room for her to come to you? If a girl did this to me I would be slightly annoyed



Oh no! The dreaded "I'll let you know" text

Womanese for.... bro you're turning me off right now, please give me some space



You're using guy logic

Why should she be so eager to meet you when you are the one pushing for more closeness?



You failed that test...

A better response to her text would have been "Ok" then wait until she gets back to you



Yikes!

Bro you're the man. You should be the one giving her re-assurance.



This is horrible... At this point your GF is probably thinking why am I dating a stalker?



Yup! You are right about you are the one chasing

It's funny but when you are in chase mode you are also horrible at reading your woman. I'm willing to bet that during your in person interactions you are also doing a lot of chasing

She likes you and loves getting doted on. But once she leaves she feels like she has had her fill. So for her to chase you have to leave her wanting more of what you got

You know you're doing it right when you got to kick her out the house because she doesn't want to leave



Yes... by you chilling out



You should give her space man

Let her contact you first for once. Even if it takes a week or 2

And when she finally contacts you, make it seem like it's no big deal



Ah! This is where it all started

At this point she was being distant because your attainability was low. You were too busy posturing being too cool for school that you couldn't mirror her interest back

She was chasing and if you gave her some positive reinforcement she would have kept chasing. Reward your girl for her good behavior if you want more good behavior. But then when she pulled away guess what you did? You began to chase... hence rewarding her for being cold and distant.

Put yourself in a girls shoes and imagine how much of a mind-fuck this is

Her: "I really like this guy and when I was vulnerable and opened up he slapped me in my face. But when I pulled away to lick my wounds he began showing me more affection. Could it be that for me to get this guy I have to play it cool?"



OMG. This is horrendous

She brings drama to your doorstep with arguments and a pregnancy scare, and you decide this is the perfect time to finally be vulnerable with her.

Bro you are literally training your girl to treat you like shit



Yes. Because you've taught her that being flaky is a great way to raise your interest. So why wouldn't she do it



Unnecessary drama

Once again bad conditioning. The whatsapp video was way too try hard, and she reached out to call your bluff. You failed because if you were so busy having fun with that other girl why are you now so keen to see her?

She knows she has you by the balls and that you're more invested in the relationship than her



Oh no!!!!

See what I said before. she knew she had you by the nuts so went for the Hail Mary and you folded. Never make a girl your girlfriend when she delivers an ultimatum. She needs to earn the title with a good amount of time of good behavior

So can you see why you are fucked? Every-time she gives you a negative you give her a positive. She is in full control of the relationship and therefore doesn't need to chase



No surprise there



My head hurts



Why would the dynamic change? Think about it

She threw drama, was distant and flaky and you rewarded her with the title of your GF. Women follow their emotions and not logic



Okay this dynamic is very messed up and you won't be able to fix it overnight but you need to pull all the way back. Forget about schedules, forget about labels, forget about girlfriend duties.

On your next meet focus on being warm and sexual while forgetting about all the relationship stuff. Make no plans to see her again after this date. Eventually she will reach out again then you can set up another date

Ideally let her setup the next 3-4 dates on her own. Don't help her, let her chase you for once. Whenever she chases reward her and make sure you also let her chase in person too.

Then after the 4 dates you can start reaching out to her again but let her contact you more. A good ratio will be 3(her) : 1(you)

Also, in between your dates focus on yourself G! Have a life, make some money, go fuck mo bitches. Your woman should be a complement to your life and not the focus

Your girl likes you but you have to start training her on how she should love you. Because if you keep up this behavior you are going to get dumped real quick
Damn G! 45 girls in 7 months is pretty impressive



Making a girl chase can feel good for the ego and you definitely want them more invested in the relationship than you so let's see what's going on



Hmmmm I already see a hint of why she's not chasing



This is going to sound silly but..... How can your GF chase you if you are the one initiating contact all the time?

Look you texted her on Tuesday, then Monday and followed up with a call.... Where is the room for her to come to you? If a girl did this to me I would be slightly annoyed



Oh no! The dreaded "I'll let you know" text

Womanese for.... bro you're turning me off right now, please give me some space



You're using guy logic

Why should she be so eager to meet you when you are the one pushing for more closeness?



You failed that test...

A better response to her text would have been "Ok" then wait until she gets back to you



Yikes!

Bro you're the man. You should be the one giving her re-assurance.



This is horrible... At this point your GF is probably thinking why am I dating a stalker?



Yup! You are right about you are the one chasing

It's funny but when you are in chase mode you are also horrible at reading your woman. I'm willing to bet that during your in person interactions you are also doing a lot of chasing

She likes you and loves getting doted on. But once she leaves she feels like she has had her fill. So for her to chase you have to leave her wanting more of what you got

You know you're doing it right when you got to kick her out the house because she doesn't want to leave



Yes... by you chilling out



You should give her space man

Let her contact you first for once. Even if it takes a week or 2

And when she finally contacts you, make it seem like it's no big deal



Ah! This is where it all started

At this point she was being distant because your attainability was low. You were too busy posturing being too cool for school that you couldn't mirror her interest back

She was chasing and if you gave her some positive reinforcement she would have kept chasing. Reward your girl for her good behavior if you want more good behavior. But then when she pulled away guess what you did? You began to chase... hence rewarding her for being cold and distant.

Put yourself in a girls shoes and imagine how much of a mind-fuck this is

Her: "I really like this guy and when I was vulnerable and opened up he slapped me in my face. But when I pulled away to lick my wounds he began showing me more affection. Could it be that for me to get this guy I have to play it cool?"



OMG. This is horrendous

She brings drama to your doorstep with arguments and a pregnancy scare, and you decide this is the perfect time to finally be vulnerable with her.

Bro you are literally training your girl to treat you like shit



Yes. Because you've taught her that being flaky is a great way to raise your interest. So why wouldn't she do it



Unnecessary drama

Once again bad conditioning. The whatsapp video was way too try hard, and she reached out to call your bluff. You failed because if you were so busy having fun with that other girl why are you now so keen to see her?

She knows she has you by the balls and that you're more invested in the relationship than her



Oh no!!!!

See what I said before. she knew she had you by the nuts so went for the Hail Mary and you folded. Never make a girl your girlfriend when she delivers an ultimatum. She needs to earn the title with a good amount of time of good behavior

So can you see why you are fucked? Every-time she gives you a negative you give her a positive. She is in full control of the relationship and therefore doesn't need to chase



No surprise there



My head hurts



Why would the dynamic change? Think about it

She threw drama, was distant and flaky and you rewarded her with the title of your GF. Women follow their emotions and not logic



Okay this dynamic is very messed up and you won't be able to fix it overnight but you need to pull all the way back. Forget about schedules, forget about labels, forget about girlfriend duties.

On your next meet focus on being warm and sexual while forgetting about all the relationship stuff. Make no plans to see her again after this date. Eventually she will reach out again then you can set up another date

Ideally let her setup the next 3-4 dates on her own. Don't help her, let her chase you for once. Whenever she chases reward her and make sure you also let her chase in person too.

Then after the 4 dates you can start reaching out to her again but let her contact you more. A good ratio will be 3(her) : 1(you)

Also, in between your dates focus on yourself G! Have a life, make some money, go fuck mo bitches. Your woman should be a complement to your life and not the focus

Your girl likes you but you have to start training her on how she should love you. Because if you keep up this behavior you are going to get dumped real quick
This was quite insightful. @Ree had pointed out some of the things you said here.

So I have a few questions for you:

It's funny but when you are in chase mode you are also horrible at reading your woman. I'm willing to bet that during your in person interactions you are also doing a lot of chasing

She likes you and loves getting doted on. But once she leaves she feels like she has had her fill. So for her to chase you have to leave her wanting more of what you got

You know you're doing it right when you got to kick her out the house because she doesn't want to leave
Very curious about this.

What are the in person behaviors a man would make that would mean he’s chasing. And what should he avoid doing?

What are the behaviors a woman in healthy relationship where she’s chasing would display?

Reward vs punishment. What are the behaviors a woman should be rewarded for vs the ones she should be punished for (you could mention the appropriate rewards and punishments)?

Okay this dynamic is very messed up and you won't be able to fix it overnight but you need to pull all the way back. Forget about schedules, forget about labels, forget about girlfriend duties.

On your next meet focus on being warm and sexual while forgetting about all the relationship stuff. Make no plans to see her again after this date. Eventually she will reach out again then you can set up another date
So for our next meet, I should let her be the one to reach out?

Like I mentioned earlier, she texted me, “I will try today. I was too exhausted yesterday”. What should be my response? Should I say “okay” or just leave the msg unanswered?

You said on our next meet I should be warm and sexual while “forgetting about all the relationship stuff”. That last part, could you elaborate?

Whenever she chases reward her and make sure you also let her chase in person too.
I might have already asked this but yea, how does making her chase in person works. Examples?

Then after the 4 dates you can start reaching out to her again but let her contact you more. A good ratio will be 3(her) : 1(you)
Quoting this here just so I won’t forget the 3(her): 1(you) ration. Sounds legit.

jesus! you are totally taking the FEMININE ROLE of the relationship, you are the girl of the relationship she is the dude..... you act like my mains act towards me, your girl acts like i act with my girls....

I don't think is your fault, you are writing the post on the forum cause you feel uneasy, you feel imbalance... you are not used to be in this new type of situation. kind of out of control.... you chose this girl out of 45 plus girls, and you are not getting the reactions that you got with the other girls and you feel vulnerable...

Anyways, the main problem is that you have too much time on your hands you are chasing her schedule, your girls is a busy girl, i love women that are super busy like your girl, cause more of free time for me....

it seems you are making her your world, this is the fastest way to dry vaginas... You are going to the fastlane of being codependant...

There is no need to be calculating, and running game or make her chase on your girl this is needy in itself.... Keep yourself busy, keep being attractive focus on you, and give her some breathing room, stop chasing her schedule, she met a cool you, not this starting to be needy and a burden version on you.... I tell my girls "don't feel like you have to see me, i am super cool and flexible, if you have stuff to do is fine" i reward them being busy and having time to herself, don't become a burden to your girl, were she gets to the point that you become weight on her legs, and she feels obligated to do things with you vs desire (worst position to be ever i have been there)....

I will recommend you to read yesterday mark manson models and the passion trap
This was very helpful. I will check out those books.

I’d love to get more insights on how your relationships work. Maybe I can pick a thing or two.
 

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I’d love to get more insights on how your relationships work. Maybe I can pick a thing or two.
Mystike there are many mini posts ( @Chase also has good ones in his site)) here are some:




 

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Man! Been a while but I can say - since the last chick I’ve lost because of relationship inexperience, I’ve used the tips u gave me to the tee and my dating life is improved big time
I was good at acquisition but way too needy - Disney conditioned - during an early relationship

I think you should write for girlschase

this guy who’s definitely a good seducer struggled like me during the early stage of his relationship. Your don’t be needy message isn’t ingrained in the readers. You d be a great add to the girlschase writers
 
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