Will all our seduction attempts give us more interesting personalities than wome

[Virgin101]

Or at least that I'll have more to say for myself as a person. Generally speaking, do men have more interesting personalities than women? because of the experiences acquired through our determination and persistence. By this I mean the pursuit money, women, getting things done & solving problems. I mean it's hardly a coincidence that there are more male comedians than women? or at least I presume there are!

So I'd like to think so the title holds true, but I don't know. I still think women can be pretty quick witted and manipulative. The rest is slightly off topic - I went a little wide!

You do have to observe women's career choices. As soon as they've finished high school, less females have chosen science subjects, (apart from biology because it's the only wishy washy one). Does this imply that they don't have a proper desire to understand things? A lot of them study courses that.... well... aren't real knowledge! For example business and marketing, early childhood studies, and the various beauty courses. For example, in my immediate family, the female professions that come to mind are; a receptionist, HR, nurse and a teacher. The amount of bloody females in HR these days is ridiculous. To a small degree, you could argue that these are jobs that need to be done because someone else is busy doing the real jobs. May this be more the reason behind the gender pay gap?

But even in the areas that women are stronger than men, they still don't out compete us. For example I heard women are better with languages. Well now that's no good if you've nothing to say for yourself! I also heard (& correct me if I'm wrong) that they're more musical - as in better at relating melody nuances to emotions. If that's true, then they must have much ambition because... need I elaborate.

But it must be quite hard as a woman, as to finding a goal in life. There's a lot of pressure put on them to view their sole purpose as to being as pretty as possible and to always smile. However, men are inert my default, and have to work very hard to justify their existence. But at least there's a clear goal for them to work towards.

 

[foggy]

Re: Will all our seduction attempts give us more interesting personalities than

Generally speaking, do men have more interesting personalities than women?

"Interesting" is subjective.

A lot of them study courses that.... well... aren't real knowledge! For example business and marketing.

How are business and marketing not real knowledge? How are any of the topics you mentioned not real knowledge? You seem to be speaking from your opinions, and not fact.

The rest is slightly off topic - I went a little wide!

You went completely off topic.

You gotta remember that men are logical creatures and women are emotional creatures. That will explain the job preferences, partially. Quite a peculiar argument you got going on here though....

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

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Women hardly have interesting personalities, especially not the hot ones, most of the times they are just as simple minded as the average guy.

 

[Virgin101]

Re: Will all our seduction attempts give us more interesting personalities than

How are business and marketing not real knowledge?

Well let's say there's a bunch of business & marketing dudes in business with a bunch of engineers. Could the business people do the work of the engineers? However, if it came to it, the engineers (if they'd the time) could learn the business side of it in... say three months! That is the difference!

For a clever & observant person over the age of 30 with good people skills, a lot of the marketing and management strategies that are learned in the business course would be considered common sense. He/she mightn't have learned all the silly acronyms for the way they think about it though, but he'll still have the same wisdom.

So that's why it's sort of not real knowledge. You either have a product, or you don't! The rest is just stamp collecting.

 

[Lotus]

Re: Will all our seduction attempts give us more interesting personalities than

Virgin101,

I'd argue the opposite actually.

Well let's say there's a bunch of business & marketing dudes in business with a bunch of engineers. Could the business people do the work of the engineers? However, if it came to it, the engineers (if they'd the time) could learn the business side of it in... say three months! That is the difference!

First off I'm not sure what you mean by "business and marketing dudes", but lets say for example you are talking about "running a business", you really think one can learn to run a business in 3 months? Thousands of small companies go out of business every year because people with a great idea(product) don't know the first thing about running a business. Reading about "business", "sales" or "marketing" without real experience is nigh useless.

For a clever & observant person over the age of 30 with good people skills, a lot of the marketing and management strategies that are learned in the business course would be considered common sense. He/she mightn't have learned all the silly acronyms for the way they think about it though, but he'll still have the same wisdom.

How many engineers are going to fit into the category of "clever, observant have good people skills. There are so many "best business practices" that contradict each other, it will literally make your head spin. Unfortunately business isn't about memorizing a bunch of definitions and terms than implementing them. Business has this crazy variable that isn't measurable....People. You can't take an equation with people and have it work 50% of the time. Your engineering equations work 99% of the time? That's why we are all here isn't it, because there no simple equation to get girls.

So that's why it's sort of not real knowledge. You either have a product, or you don't! The rest is just stamp collecting.

Correct, business is not real knowledge. You can't just read a book and know business.... that's why it's so hard. You could do the exact same thing as me but get difference results because of one variable... people.

I've been a branch manager for about 4 months now. After studying business for 4 years. 1.5 years in sales and then 9 months learning a new industry and getting my current job. To put it in perspective my branch does about 200k in revenue a month. It's a small team so I thought it would be pretty easy to get people to learn and build a team just like me and kill the game. Too bad, none of my team is me. They don't think like me. They don't want the same thing as me and therefore aren't motivated by the same things as me.

The reason you state that business is "easy" is the real reason it's extremely difficult.

Edit: Look at salaries, engineers have a much higher starting salary, but top businessmen have a much higher salary cap

-Lotus

 

[PrettyDecent]

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I find it interesting the hostility of the responses you got here, Virgin.

It's a pretty sensitive topic, but yeah. There's no doubt that men are more ambitious in intellectual pursuits. Women of course have the ability to be great as men in these areas, and in fact very large contributions in science, military, agriculture, have been done by women. It's just they're not particularly interested in these pursuits, as a sex.

In terms of more interesting personalities...that's a tough question. I'm not sure actually. There might be an even distribution. Though, women are easier to predict than men.

Nick

 

[Lotus]

Re: Will all our seduction attempts give us more interesting personalities than

I find it interesting the hostility of the responses you got here, Virgin.

I might have taken it a little personally and put a little emotion behind that... whoops. I guess I do have a substantial investment in my current path.

Lotus

 

[Orelfius]

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You are 100% about the observation, but you link it to wrong reasons. I think ANY kind of self-improvement will make someone more interesting because self-improvement is MOSTLY about improving your personality, That part is correct.

Women have less interesting personalities? Very subjective unless you can provides some criteria. (And women disliking engineering doesn't count, that's only your personal preference.)

About that business thing discussion:
One can also argue that scientists and engineers are barely tool to hire. Kind of mercenaries of the brain. Very easy to replace them. After all, it's really well-known that a great leader doesn't have to be smart or intelligent: He need to be charismatic and wise, to some extent… but he mostly need to have a good team of advisor around him.

The basic income level for people skill might be lower than "physical world" related skill, but they trump them all the time in term of where they can bring you. A guy at the top of people skills is ALWAYS at the top (Ghandi, Hitler, Nelson Mandela, any US president, etc. ALL have top people skills.) while being the best of the best as an engineer? not so much.

But back to business… You said the product is everything? You are totally mistaken. The product doesn't matter. Any crap will do. Don't believe me? Well, EVERYONE (or almost) on this planet can make a better burger than McDonald… yet, they are billionaires and most people aren't. Everyone can make a better drink than coca-cola (who wasn't even the first to make cola), yet they are the ones who are billionaires. Plenty of companies sell very cheap plastic scrap made in China and make millions with AWEFUL products.

The products is nothing, BEING ABLE to sell it is everything. And that's my friend is an art, not a skill or a knowledge.

About the rest:

You do have to observe women's career choices. As soon as they've finished high school, less females have chosen science subjects, (apart from biology because it's the only wishy washy one). Does this imply that they don't have a proper desire to understand things? A lot of them study courses that.... well... aren't real knowledge! For example business and marketing, early childhood studies, and the various beauty courses. For example, in my immediate family, the female professions that come to mind are; a receptionist, HR, nurse and a teacher.

That's your experience, in my family:
- my sister is a district attorney,
- my mother is a senior strategic advisor for the government, (she studies mathematics, then economy)
- my aunt is a statistician (a mathematician),
- my ex is a mathematician,
- another one is an accountant and get her master in financial stuff.
- one of my cousin is a computer engineer,
- her sister is in HR. (oh, so finally one in a "traditional female job" at last)

The amount of bloody females in HR these days is ridiculous. To a small degree, you could argue that these are jobs that need to be done because someone else is busy doing the real jobs. May this be more the reason behind the gender pay gap?

The gap is about 30%, half of it is because men dare to ask more when they got hired and ask for a rise when women don't dare to do so (too afraid of being judge badly for that by the boss). The other half is a mixture of working less to take care of the children and job that women prefer not being in very high demand.

But even in the areas that women are stronger than men, they still don't out compete us.

There's only area that women prefer. It's a matter of preference, not competence. Usually the best are those who goes against the grain: Best nurse are men and best engineer are women. Because you really need to like what you do to go against the grain and people who are passionate about their job are usually better.

Overall, you take what is around you and you generalize it WAY too quickly. The world is a much bigger place than that my friend.
If you ever meet women who are also on a path of self-improvement, you will be amazed by how their personalities can be great too.

 

[Virgin101]

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Thanks Orelfius,

That's probably the most interesting answer so far. Admittedly, it's like I was putting the question about women's personalities out there because it's what I want to believe.

But back to business… You said the product is everything? You are totally mistaken. The product doesn't matter. Any crap will do. Don't believe me? Well, EVERYONE (or almost) on this planet can make a better burger than McDonald… yet, they are billionaires and most people aren't. Everyone can make a better drink than coca-cola (who wasn't even the first to make cola), yet they are the ones who are billionaires. Plenty of companies sell very cheap plastic scrap made in China and make millions with AWEFUL products.

The products is nothing, BEING ABLE to sell it is everything. And that's my friend is an art, not a skill or a knowledge

You're right. Perhaps the reason I over-looked that was because I don't eat at McDonalds or drink coke. Only idiots do! A product in my mind is something that mankind actually needs, which I'm in fact wrong about. Take the last few products I bought/used: a computer (right now), and a keyboard a few hours ago. Both took many brains, as well as many years to develop.

No one has ever sold me anything I didn't need since I was about 20. If it was in terms of what's actually needed by mankind, then salesmanship wouldn't count for much.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Re: Will all our seduction attempts give us more interesting personalities than

Women hardly have interesting personalities, especially not the hot ones, most of the times they are just as simple minded as the average guy.

What's the longest conversation you've had with a hot girl?

Well let's say there's a bunch of business & marketing dudes in business with a bunch of engineers. Could the business people do the work of the engineers? However, if it came to it, the engineers (if they'd the time) could learn the business side of it in... say three months! That is the difference!

For a clever & observant person over the age of 30 with good people skills, a lot of the marketing and management strategies that are learned in the business course would be considered common sense. He/she mightn't have learned all the silly acronyms for the way they think about it though, but he'll still have the same wisdom.

So that's why it's sort of not real knowledge. You either have a product, or you don't! The rest is just stamp collecting.

Two words -

Elon. Musk.

You have Nikolai Tesla, a pure engineer/inventor. Then, you have Thomas Edison, and engineer and inventor, but he knows how to market.

Tesla is smarter and better, but fades into obscurity. Edison becomes a rich pimp.

Musk's own words: "But on balance, I'm a bigger fan of Edison than Tesla because Edison brought his stuff to market and made those inventions accessible to the world, whereas Tesla didn't really do that."

You speak so condescendingly of marketing. I should be correct in assuming that you're a millionaire then?

But even in the areas that women are stronger than men, they still don't out compete us.

This is retarded. I don't see the point of this thread beyond you wanting to jerk off and/or air out your insecurities with women. Save everyone the mess and go watch porn next time, or post something educational, motivating, or positive.

For lurkers curious why I get so hostile with guys like this, it's because I can recognize bitter men in an instant. They poison forums and contribute nothing of value (like watching brand loyalty wars on the Anantech forums).

Hector

 

[Orelfius]

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Thanks Orelfius,

That's probably the most interesting answer so far. Admittedly, it's like I was putting the question about women's personalities out there because it's what I want to believe.

I'm not in your heart, but I do feel that you seem defiant:
1- You finally learned that what you are won't do and that you will have to improve yourself to get what you want with women (ouch! Ego bruise!).
2- It makes you angry, maybe it worsened because you feel that it's easier for women.
3- Now you are looking for a "compensation" to make worthwhile the extra efforts you have to do, to bring back balance and fairness, to not be anymore the guy who do more efforts (than women) only to have the same (or worse) success.

I may be wrong though, but that seem the emotional filter that alter the way you see the world.

 

[Virgin101]

Re: Will all our seduction attempts give us more interesting personalities than

But even in the areas that women are stronger than men, they still don't out compete us.

This is retarded. I don't see the point of this thread beyond you wanting to jerk off and/or air out your insecurities with women. Save everyone the mess and go watch porn next time, or post something educational, motivating, or positive.

For lurkers curious why I get so hostile with guys like this, it's because I can recognize bitter men in an instant. They poison forums and contribute nothing of value (like watching brand loyalty wars on the Anantech forums).

Hector

It's not retarded. And why the need to compare to masturbation?

Men do out-compete women musically. As regards literature I'm not sure, but they certainly don't far out-compete us like the reverse would be with science and engineering. All I can say is I did biochem, and the only woman's name that I really ever heard was Rosalind Franklin.

I wasn't for a second suggesting that there's anything wrong with going into marketing - just pointing out trends. And I certainly don't make my life decisions based on what's good for mankind or to make my gender look good. I do what gets me results, albeit while trying to reduce my carbon footprint!

Virg