Wing problem

[mike james]

Over the past two years I have met and hanged out with a lot of guys, for two reasons:

To meet new friends or wings
and
to practice my social skills.

I was very open to everything regarding gaming girls, but this "friendships" havent provided much other than going out to clubs.

Dont get me wrong, thats great but this guys were not helping me that much. Its always the same things:

They dont approach enough, they are not committed and reliable enough, they are not studying game at all (and Im over here consuming and learning everyday), and it seems like they are not on my level.

Another thing is, I rarely have fun with them, I guess its because when Im with them, that means I want to talk to girls, and not waste time ( which with some of them happens to much).

None of the guys I go out with get what Im saying, knows more game than I do, or have practical goals for the single night or period of time like a month.

My main wing is a really good dude, we have grown very close, we share the same interest, but he dont have that fire to get better, he is just talk. He is not reliable enough, and he is not actively getting out of his comfort zone and working on his sticking points. He dont even know that game community even exists...

In my experience, guys are fascinated with how easily I open girls, and they are stunned when I ask them to wing me for the night (sometimes, I go around a club, ask some random dude to wing me when for whatever reason my initial wing is not available)

Of course, I have gone out on my own a fair amount, but that requires a lot of determination and motivation, in my experience, is much harder.
For example, today is valentines day and I dont have a single soul to go out with me, even thogh is friday and I know a lot of girls are out tonight. This shit pisses me off so much that I would have gone out by my self if I planned it earlier (Im an hour form downtown, + i gotta get up early tommorow for work)

My question to you guys is, what do you think I should do.
How can I find good wing, preferably a little better than me, or at least reliable and committed like I am?

 

[Aussiedude]

What your saying is a hard truth. If you're the type of guy who's very driven and values progress and hitting whatever your goal is above all else, and are actually serious about doing the work that's required. You're a pretty rare breed. And its hard to find someone else who's actually on the same page as you. As you said, most dudes will be all talk and aren't willing to do the work day in day out.

But to be frank, I don't believe you should be dependent on anybody. A wing should compliment you, but not be a requirement for you to get out there.

But do you approach in the day time? Good way to practice and also get more comfortable being out on your own. I'm still a newbie but that would be my advice. You want social freedon so you're not dependent on somebody else like a wing to get girls. I think day game would definitly help with that.(If you're not doing it already).

If you're not having fun with these guys nor do they help you with achieving your goals. Just ditch em. don't waste your time. This can be a pretty lonely endeavour, vast majority of dudes are not willing to do what's required each day, so expect to be more or less on your own.

Best place to find the real dudes are on forumns like this. If you're in a major American city you'll probably have more luck.

I'm doing this alone, and you do get more comfortable with time. Although I just day game and do dating apps at the moment. Can't speak on night game.

Anyway, hope that helps.

 

[mike james]

What your saying is a hard truth. If you're the type of guy who's very driven and values progress and hitting whatever your goal is above all else, and are actually serious about doing the work that's required. You're a pretty rare breed. And its hard to find someone else who's actually on the same page as you.

I know that at some point, I will meet a bad motherfucker like myself, so we can help each other grow!

But to be frank, I don't believe you should be dependent on anybody. A wing should compliment you, but not be a requirement for you to get out there.

I partially agree, but its MUCH easier with wing, at least , for night game.

But do you approach in the day time? Good way to practice and also get more comfortable being out on your own. I'm still a newbie but that would be my advice. You want social freedon so you're not dependent on somebody else like a wing to get girls. I think day game would definitly help with that.(If you're not doing it already).

I started this journey with day game so, yea thats where I got my confidence to open...

I was doing it the first year a lot, but i stopped last year...

I gotta get back to doing it again tho

only there is one catch, but thats a story for another post...

his can be a pretty lonely endeavour, vast majority of dudes are not willing to do what's required each day, so expect to be more or less on your own.

Trust me, I know all about it...

Thanks for the reply!

 

[Aussiedude]

I know that at some point, I will meet a bad motherfucker like myself, so we can help each other grow!


I partially agree, but its MUCH easier with wing, at least , for night game.

I started this journey with day game so, yea thats where I got my confidence to open...

I was doing it the first year a lot, but i stopped last year...

I gotta get back to doing it again tho

only there is one catch, but thats a story for another post...


Trust me, I know all about it...

Thanks for the reply!

Aha what's the catch? I'm curious now lol.


In terms of going out alone, I really don't have much experience but Good Looking loser might have some good advice on getting comfortable going out alone https://theredarchive.com/blog/Good...out-alone-to-bars-a-doable-step-by-step.35094

I find his advice is really helpful.

 

[mike james]

Aha what's the catch? I'm curious now lol.


In terms of going out alone, I really don't have much experience but Good Looking loser might have some good advice on getting comfortable going out alone https://theredarchive.com/blog/Good...out-alone-to-bars-a-doable-step-by-step.35094

I find his advice is really helpful.

perhaps ill write about it in my journal, or another thread, that topic deserves separate discussion.

I ll get back to you when I read that blog you shared,
thanks

 

[Aussiedude]

Ye

perhaps ill write about it in my journal, or another thread, that topic deserves separate discussion.

I ll get back to you when I read that blog you shared,
thanks

Yeah no worries, GLL is a bit old but the advice is still stellar. And he's quite a good writer so I find when I read his shit I always feel pretty motivated afterwards haha.

 

[Skills]

Start going out alone, eventually if you go out alone you will eventually met a wing/wings that align to you and your goals...

Going out by yourself to pick up women

What are the positives and the negatives of going out alone when doing club game.

www.theskillsmethod.com