Women don't have more "potions" than cool men do!

[MisterX]

I read here in Chase's articles about how women have more options than men.

That women get approached by guys all the time.


And I can't wrap my head around it.




Okay I'm not living in the US so maybe that's why. But where I live this is not the case.


First of all there are little good looking guys. Very few guys who have a fashion sense and really take care of the way they look. Few who are confident and masculine - not some wimps when with a girl.

And almost none who are good looking, masculine and sexual, take care of their hair, face, wear right sized and good looking clothes, and have enough game to approach a girl in day time.


Every time I go out and I wear black slim-fit jeans with nice shoes and a custom fit blazer everywhere people look at me as I'm some celebrity.. and I'm far from it. It's just so rare for a man to ware nice, fitting and good looking clothes. 70% of the guys wear blue jeans a size or few bigger than they should and 20% wear sweat pants.
90% wear T-shirts with all kinds of writings on them and pictures on them. And even those t-shirts are a size or few bigger than they should.

When I put on right sized fitter Zara jeans and a cool looking fitted shirt with the sleeves rolled just bellow my elbows and put on a blazer or my winter coat with a nice scarf - I literally feel like a male super model.




So basically there is maybe 1 cool, good looking, sexual, confident guy for every 50 beautiful girls. And I say maybe cause the real number might be smaller.

And there is that most of these sexy men are in relationships. There are very few single.



So basically up to 80% (or even more) of the beautiful girls are single.

The weird thing is that girls who are okay-looking or not that attractive have boyfriends more often than beautiful girls. I girl who is a friend of mine since we were little, won a beauty contest and was voted hottest girl in the entire university. She is really beautiful, has nice personality (she comes from a small town), is humble and a genuine nice person. It's been a few years and she's still single..
And this is just one example. Most guys are too scared of beautiful women to even approach them.


And another thing is that more than 90% of all people in relationships are people who have the same classes in university. I haven't men a single couple who've met outside of a university class.



Another good girl friend of mine who is also very attractive went on a trip to Austria and some guy (who was a Canadian tourist also there) on the subway(the train not sandwich place) approach her and started talking to her. She told me this had never in her 20 years happened to her. And there are so few good looking, sexy men here that she started dating him long distance and they see each other twice a year for a week or so..





So basically a girl's options are guys who are: not good looking or confident or sexy guys, and are restricted to the guys who they have in their university classes. Literally no guy approaches during the day.

Guys only approach in clubs when they are drunk, or if the guy and girl have been studying in the same class for some time.


And on the off-chance she does meet such a guy in class or out side, she still has to catch his attention and for the guy to like her more than some other beautiful girl, and he has to approach her.




So my point is a girl's options are that maybe once a year or two a guy like that will approach her. And she'll make everything in his power to get him in a relationships, cause she knows she won't find another like him any time soon.

Hence as I said that most high caliber guys are in relationships.




And the best part is that most of the girls don't get laid. It's a combination of there not being guys who attract them and make them lust over them, combined that even if she find such a guy she'll try and get him in a relationship and as we all know this can lead to her loosing interest if the guy drops the ball.




I don't know why that is but I've found that the most attractive girls are more conservative about having sex without being in a relationship. And have had fewer sexual partners than less attractive and okay-looking girls.



So almost every beautiful girl I've been with hasn't had sex in a year or two, cause they don't have sex outside of relationships, cause when they meet a guy who excites them they get him in a relationship. And are filled with sexual energy.




It's gotten to the point where, when I go out and approach a girl I don't feel or think "awesome I'll get to sleep with her", I feel and think "I'm saving her from her dry period, she gets to have sex with me and feel more pleasure than she has felt before", and I know she won't find a better guy than me any time soon.





Maybe it's just how things are here, in the country I live in. But this is why I don't get why chase is saying that women have more options. Sure they have a few nice guys who are like them but the girls just views as her friends and doesn't want to sleep with them.


A beautiful girl has maybe 1-2 guys per year as her option, while a confident, good looking, well dressed, sexy, skilled with women man has hundreds of girls as his options cause he can get a beautiful girl anytime he wants. He just has to go out and approach 5-10 girls in a day and he'll get at least 1 girl. Girls don't have that.

So if I get in a relationship any time soon (which if you're familiar with my previous post I have serious issues with viewing women as human beings with feelings) I will know that she won't find a better guy than me, while I'll always be able to find another girl as attractive as her or more than her.





Those thought have been in my head for a few days and I decided to share them. Cause the best way to get thought out of your hear is to write them down, and what better place than here.

 

[trashKENNUT]

X,

The weird thing is that girls who are okay-looking or not that attractive have boyfriends more often than beautiful girls. I girl who is a friend of mine since we were little, won a beauty contest and was voted hottest girl in the entire university. She is really beautiful, has nice personality (she comes from a small town), is humble and a genuine nice person. It's been a few years and she's still single..

Chase got mention this with a link too. Take a read. It's good.

http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2013/02/1 ... asual-sex/

I don't know why that is but I've found that the most attractive girls are more conservative about having sex without being in a relationship. And have had fewer sexual partners than less attractive and okay-looking girls.

I think when you pretty, you want the best, thus setting unrealistic expectations.

A beautiful girl has maybe 1-2 guys per year as her option, while a confident, good looking, well dressed, sexy, skilled with women man has hundreds of girls as his options cause he can get a beautiful girl anytime he wants. He just has to go out and approach 5-10 girls in a day and he'll get at least 1 girl. Girls don't have that.

Girls approach too, not all of them, and in social circle context, they out-dominate even their friends if she is not attractive and doesn't stand a chance and sometimes it gets ugly when women whom you have no interest whatsoever try to take the girl you talking to out of the game because she thinks she has a chance. and hence reinforcing ugly women has more partners.

Zac

 

[waggledance]

An interesting post for sure but I'm not so sure about some of this.

In one sense, attractive women definitely DO have more options than cool men. Take a legit 10/10 woman. Perhaps 95% of single guys she meets (within a certain age range) would gladly have no strings sex with her given the opportunity - very few questions asked. Now take an 8/10 woman. I'd say the figure is around 75%. Take a 6/10 woman and the percentage is still probably at the 50% mark.

As a man, the figures will never be comparable. Even with male model looks, great charisma and so on - you won't be able to get 95% of women you meet wet and ready to go at the bat of an eyelid. Not unless you're Brad Pitt anyway.

I know dating websites aren’t real life, but they do exaggerate this point. A borderline ugly woman will receive far more messages on a site like Plenty of Fish than a 7/10 or 8/10 guy ever will. It wouldn’t surprise me if she got more messages than a 10/10 guy. Now take a 10/10 woman and the amount of messages received is mindboggling - on a whole different level.

I do agree with you though that in practice, the amount of quality options an attractive woman has may not be that high. If you discount clubs, bars, etc, most of the guys she meets will be through work, classes or mutual friends. There won’t be tons of attractive guys amongst those people, but there will probably be some.

I’m also not sure where the idea that ‘attractive women get approached dozens of times every day’ comes from. That seems to be accepted fact in the pick up community but it’s clearly bullshit. I’m not sure if I’ve EVER seen another guy approach a random woman in the daytime. Like you’ve said, in the real world, women normally get to know guys through the course of their everyday lives – not random street approaches.

Do you really think that attractive women are less likely to be in relationships? Where I’m living that just isn’t the case. Any girl above 7/10 is extremely likely to be in a long term relationship. And it's often with pretty average guys.

On the flipside, the most ‘alpha,’ ‘sexy’ guys I personally know are single most of the time. Occasionally they’ll have a bash at a relationship, but it normally doesn’t last long. They soon go back to sleeping with lots of girls on the reg.

Curious to know where you are from now…

 

[Good Vibes]

I’m also not sure where the idea that ‘attractive women get approached dozens of times every day’ comes from. That seems to be accepted fact in the pick up community but it’s clearly bullshit. I’m not sure if I’ve EVER seen another guy approach a random woman in the daytime. Like you’ve said, in the real world, women normally get to know guys through the course of their everyday lives – not random street approaches.

I disagree, some women will tell you about guys that try to pick them up and others may not. If you don't have a deep connection with her you wont ever know much about her life anyway. Most guys don't know how to pick up and will fail regulary. They try to close the sale too early before they give their presentation. For example; girl tells you "Hey that guy just winked at me a gave me his phone number".
Even if the girl likes him nothing is going to happen because there's no connection of effect put in by him. If your woman is a hottie she's probably bored with even telling you about it and probably wont tell you at all if you don't ask. Now if a hot girl is living in an isolated part of the world or doesn't get out much then yes she may not be approached often and may complain about how she can't find a man or doesn't get approached.

I agree that most people get together through the course of their everyday lives and not through street approaches. That is why most guys say they got lucky when referring to their girlfriends. It's like a new salesman who sells a job without knowledge of his product.

 

[MisterX]

In one sense, attractive women definitely DO have more options than cool men. Take a legit 10/10 woman. Perhaps 95% of single guys she meets (within a certain age range) would gladly have no strings sex with her given the opportunity - very few questions asked. Now take an 8/10 woman. I'd say the figure is around 75%. Take a 6/10 woman and the percentage is still probably at the 50% mark.

As a man, the figures will never be comparable. Even with male model looks, great charisma and so on - you won't be able to get 95% of women you meet wet and ready to go at the bat of an eyelid. Not unless you're Brad Pitt anyway.

I know dating websites aren’t real life, but they do exaggerate this point. A borderline ugly woman will receive far more messages on a site like Plenty of Fish than a 7/10 or 8/10 guy ever will. It wouldn’t surprise me if she got more messages than a 10/10 guy. Now take a 10/10 woman and the amount of messages received is mindboggling - on a whole different level.

First I didn't say that attractive high status, sexy men have bigger percentage or options. I said they have more as numbers.

I don't rate women on a 1 to 10 scale. I never have. I either like a girl or I don't. I don't give a @#$% if others think she's a 7 or a 10 or sth else.

But as you said a 10 woman my have 95% of men would want to sleep with her. BUT out of that 95% what percentage of men how much of them would she want to sleep with? maybe 1%?

At least where I live I can tell you that 1% is the amount of good looking guys who have some game.


SO if a 10 girl can have 95% of men but meats a man she wants once a month maybe and not to mention a lot of other things must fall in place and maybe she sleeps with 1 attractive guy per year, MAYBE (cause where I live the number a guys a 20-21 year old girl has slept with is like 1-2-3).


But take an attractive guy. As I said where I live it's full of beautiful girls. There are too many they are literally everywhere and they are mostly single.(Cause as I said attractive guys with game are rare and the girls are attractive, so most attractive girls don't have boyfriends. The okay girls have boyfriends cause their bar is lower.)
This attractive guy even if his % is 10% or lower he can still approach 10 or more attractive girls in 1 day and still will get things going with one girl.


So even if girls may have higher % of guy who want to sleep with them, the actual number of guys an attractive girl sleeps with in a month or year is a lot lower than the number of girl an attractive man sleeps with.

I disagree, some women will tell you about guys that try to pick them up and others may not. If you don't have a deep connection with her you wont ever know much about her life anyway. Most guys don't know how to pick up and will fail regulary. They try to close the sale too early before they give their presentation. For example; girl tells you "Hey that guy just winked at me a gave me his phone number".
Even if the girl likes him nothing is going to happen because there's no connection of effect put in by him. If your woman is a hottie she's probably bored with even telling you about it and probably wont tell you at all if you don't ask. Now if a hot girl is living in an isolated part of the world or doesn't get out much then yes she may not be approached often and may complain about how she can't find a man or doesn't get approached.

I didn't say that attractive girls don't want to be in relationships. I said that where I live attractive girls have higher standarts than okay-looking girls. And since attractive guys are rare, those attractive girls have to either get an average guy or be single. And most of them are single.

If they find a cool guy who they are attracted to, they will want to get him in a relationship. But there simply are A LOT less attractive men than attractive women.

Curious to know where you are from now…

I'm from an European country called Bulgaria.

It's the best place to go if you want to pick up beautiful girls. It is literally the cheapest country to go to vacation in. Since our iconomy is really bad, prices are really low.
The average annual salary is between 5-6 thousand $ (converted into $)

for and example in the nice clubs with lots of girls in them a bottle of Smirnoff vodka is like 25-30$, a bottle of Jameson or Jack Daniels (or other whiskey in that category) is around 35-40$

And the entrance fees in clubs are either around 3$ or there aren't any entry fees.



So in essence hotels are cheap - 5 star hotel rooms cost 150$ a night. Food is cheap. Night life if cheap. And gorgeous women. And there are lost of summer resorts as one of our borders is the black sea. Also there are lost of mountains if you like skeing or such.

There are more women than men. The girls are gorgeous. Bulgaria is know for the most beautiful women and there are lots of them. I'm not kidding there are gorgeous women everywhere.


It's a player's paradise



And the best part is that half the universities in the country are in the capital. And are all in a part of the city called "student city" so in this part of town - half the girls from the entire country come to study and there are hundreds of thousands of students living there. And it's all people aged 18-24.

And there might not be a single book store but there are 15 nightclubs in a half mile radius. There are more than 40-50 cafe's, casinos, bars. And clubs are open and full every single night, cause students don't care about university and we party every night.

It's like a place for university students to party all the time. And that's where i live now cause I'm almost 21 and I study there.

 

[waggledance]

^ Ah, so you're from Eastern Europe MisterX. What you're saying makes a lot more sense now. I'm from the UK and unfortunately things aren't nearly so good here. A '7/10' or '8/10' in the UK would probably be average at best in Bulgaria. Also, attractive guys probably outnumber attractive girls. A good looking girl is seriously like gold dust and will be snapped up in a heartbeat. No woman with decent looks will go very long without having a boyfriend - not unless she has a serious personality defect. Not even joking.

Which city are you talking about in Bulgaria? Sure does sound worth a visit. What is the general reaction to foreigners like myself over there?

Goodvibes - about the approach thing, perhaps this is also cultural difference, but I'm not sure. By dozens, we're talking 24+ cold approaches A DAY. No matter where you live, I just don't see how that's possible.

Imagine a day in the life of an attractive woman who actually has a job, as opposed to hanging around in malls all day batting her eyelids:
1) Gets up, has breakfast, showers. Drives to work. Unless she gets pulled over by a traffic warden, she ain't getting approached behind the wheel.
2) Works at a computer desk all day. Maybe gets chatted up by a couple of male colleagues intermittently.
3) Goes and grabs some lunch with some female work colleagues. She'll get eyed up, sure, but few guys are gonna have the balls to wade into that group and chat her up in the middle of the daytime
4) Goes back to work. Finishes and then drives home.
5) That may well be it for the day. Lets say for the sake of argument she then goes to a supermarket, on her own, to buy some dinner. Is she honestly going to be approached by 24, 36 or 48 guys whilst choosing a ready meal? There probably aren't even that many guys in the shop!

...And that's it for our heroine. I just don't see when all these approaches are supposed to be occurring. Even if the same girl spent a few hours shopping on a weekend, I don't see how she could be approached anywhere NEAR dozens of times. For a start, she'll be spending most of her time in female targeted shops. She'll also be surrounded by a group of female 'bodyguards,' warding off any potential suitors. A handful of approaches max, I'd say. Quite possibly none at all. Seriously - you approach a girl in the daytime and they'll generally very surprised by it. It's not something that happens as a matter of course. I can't speak for the whole world, but for where I'm from at least, the dozens of approaches a day thing is simply untrue.

 

[MisterX]

waggledance,

I live and study in the capital - Sofia and more specifically as I said a part called student city.

But if you think of coming to Sofia it has to be between late September and early June. Cause that's when the school year for every university is and during the summer there is no one there, cause everybody's either at the sea side or in their home town/city.


As for the summer time the best place in Bulgaria is the seaside.

Probably the wildest and most party sea resort is Sunny Beach. But there are others like: Nesebar, Burgas, Varna, lost more.

But Sunny beach is the wildest and is full with girls who just want to party and there a lost of tourist girls from all over the world who also want to party. But with tourist girls it's better to be a native. A girl last summer told me she and her friends came to Bulgaria for a week and they thought it would be awesome to hook up with attractive Bulgarian men.





And to you question foreigners are really welcomed. And there are tourist all the time. I see them ever day in Sofia.

As for do the girls like foreigners more or less - hmmm I really don't know much.


I can't speak for all the girls, but the ones I know enjoy meeting people from different countries and party with them.

 

[ProblemSolving]

Potions? I got potions up the ying-yang. Potions for health, strength, and speed. You need it, I got it. What will it be?

In my experience, women do have a lot more options than men. However, the QUALITY of these options is not very good. My girl gets "approached" roughly 10 times a day: taking the train or bus to work, walking down the street, at work (she works in sales), or basically anywhere where there is opportunity. But here's the thing, very few are attractive and NONE have much game. Here's how the vast majority of the "approaches" go. Either they make a quick conversation and then give her their number, or they compliment her then weakly ask for her number soon after. Like my girl says, they're not professional like me haha.

If you are an attractive man that actively goes out and meets women wherever he goes, then the world is your oyster. When you see a pearl that interests you, you just grab your balls and take it. Poor women have to passively WAIT for that rare pearl to come into their lives, while sifting through truck loads of sand. Men have a harder road to take, but it's much more fulfilling.

 

[Good Vibes]

Goodvibes - about the approach thing, perhaps this is also cultural difference, but I'm not sure. By dozens, we're talking 24+ cold approaches A DAY. No matter where you live, I just don't see how that's possible.

Well I know it happens sometimes as I've witnessed it myself down the beach or at places of large gatherings, but I'm talking extreme cases where these girls position themselves for it and/or they brag about it to you. I'm disagreeing with your denial of it happenning at all. I just don't think you should say it's clearly bullshit. However I've known of plenty of attractive women who say they don't get approached much at all too.

 

[MisterX]

Poor women have to passively WAIT for that rare pearl to come into their lives, while sifting through truck loads of sand.

That's exactly what I think. It's kinda sad cause as you said they can only sit and hope that such a guy will cross their path. And when they see such a guy they have to be more attractive than the other girls around at the time so that he'll approach her. Honestly poor girls, they think about men and sex but can't/don't do anything about it. Just sit there and hope that she's pretty enough, hope that she does by chance meet an attractive guy, hope that he likes her and approaches her, hope that he has game and can move things alone. It's a very sad sad thing not being able to do anything but sit and hope.


Honestly when I approach a girl I feel like I'm saving her from her dry period, and from all the losers who think they have a chance when they use some lame pick-up line they heard in a movie.

Well I know it happens sometimes as I've witnessed it myself down the beach or at places of large gatherings, but I'm talking extreme cases where these girls position themselves for it and/or they brag about it to you. I'm disagreeing with your denial of it happenning at all. I just don't think you should say it's clearly bullshit. However I've known of plenty of attractive women who say they don't get approached much at all too.

waggledance, said it - it's a cultural difference


Where you might live it might be the case. But I said where I live guys don't approach during the day. I haven't met a girl who was cold approach during the day before me.


Girls, even beautiful girls git approach in university classes/lectures, during the night at clubs/doscos (but I haven't seen or heard of a beautiful girl meeting a guy in a disco and sleeping with him or dating him, only okay girls who go to clubs for that reason do it. Attractive girls go to discos to have fun and dance not to get hit on by guys. And I go to clubs for that reason too, I go there with a group of female friends and just have fun. I don't like night game I prefer day game.) or they get approached at the beach or pool, but that doesn't count as day game cause it's a beach and it's kinda a social place and you'll have to approach her group (cause people don't go to the beach alone).



And as you said some girls get approached , that means they are the exception and that most girls don't get approached. As I said is the case where I live.

 

[waggledance]

Mister X - thanks for all the info on Sofia. Would love to pay a visit!

Well I know it happens sometimes as I've witnessed it myself down the beach or at places of large gatherings, but I'm talking extreme cases where these girls position themselves for it and/or they brag about it to you. I'm disagreeing with your denial of it happenning at all. I just don't think you should say it's clearly bullshit. However I've known of plenty of attractive women who say they don't get approached much at all too.

I do think we're at cross purposes here. I'm definitely not denying it happens at all. In certain situations, sure, I can see a girl being approached many, many times in one day. What I'm saying is clearly bullshit is the idea that a TYPICAL attractive woman will TYPICALLY be approached dozens of times every single day.

That's the impression the community gives, but if you stop and think about it, it's just not feasible. I do appreciate you personally are talking about extreme cases, but I just want to illustrate the point. Let's imagine an attractive woman working as a teacher, lawyer, call centre worker, etc. She is going to spend only a limited amount of time a day in places where she might be approached by random dudes. Maybe 90 minutes a day as an arbitrary figure. To be approached 'dozens' of times, there would need to be a new approach every two minutes or so during those 90 minutes. Not plausible at all. The poor girl wouldn't even be able to cross the street without some new guy introducing himself. She'd ALWAYS be in the process of getting approached, or else talking to some guy who had approached her. I don't believe for one second that's the norm.

If a woman works in a more social job, say retail, in a restaurant, etc - I'd expect her to get hit on a lot more. But still, there are limits. For a waitress to get hit on dozens of times in a day, there would need to be someone from every single table she served trying their luck. Never going to happen.

 

[Ross]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJNXCpfDrNo

Attractive women who are socially active have a lot of options; now, this doesn't necessarily mean good options with sexy, attractive men.

https://www.girlschase.com/content/why-girls-bad-boys

Some good commentary on the normal life of a normal girl.

A beautiful girl has maybe 1-2 guys per year as her option, while a confident, good looking, well dressed, sexy, skilled with women man has hundreds of girls as his options cause he can get a beautiful girl anytime he wants. He just has to go out and approach 5-10 girls in a day and he'll get at least 1 girl. Girls don't have that.

A confident, good looking, well dressed, and sexy woman who is skilled with men has hundreds of men as her options because she can get a handsome man anytime she wants. Women can learn how to become amazing with pick-up, just as men can. And, quite often, they do become better than men. They spend time talking to each other and working on social skills while men try to achieve feats and play around.

Girls are just as capable as men when it comes to learning the skills of seduction. On average, they are better at it. You're right when you say that there aren't many men who are confident, good looking, sexy, and skilled with women. On average, women are more skilled with men than men are skilled with women just as a result of the way that they operate. They are more social than us, we are the thrill seekers.

Maybe it's just how things are here, in the country I live in. But this is why I don't get why chase is saying that women have more options. Sure they have a few nice guys who are like them but the girls just views as her friends and doesn't want to sleep with them.

They are still options. Nice, unattractive guys are back-up plans. They get enough emotional validation to be happy. They receive respect and are revered for their beauty. They do not need the sex; but they always have the option.

In essence, you are correct in saying that the upper tier men have a lot of options. You are, however, incorrect in the assumption that upper tier women do not have options. From your perspective of being a guy in a sea of unattractive men, you cannot see how women could have more options. However, when you meet and talk with more and more women, it becomes apparent that women are approached quite often by men. Yes, even the lower status women get approached.

Remember to stay away from absolutes. There are always exceptions to situations. Some woman you think is unattractive may get approached a lot, but then an attractive woman may not, and you question things and try to relieve the cognitive dissonance that is occurring. A lot of factors come into play, but it becomes apparent to those who have gotten to know a lot of women that women, on average, have more options.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Hi Ross,

A nice video link you post, and the cognitive dissonance, i read it. I take that note, too.

Zac