Women with "Woke" or "Toxic Feminism" mentality - Is it worth the effort to date these type of women?

[onmywway14]

Hey, Everyone.
Wanted to know how often do you encounter the "woke" or women with toxic feminist mentality type, either through cold approach or in social circles?

Like, yesterday in my friend circle, a male friend was talking about something regarding forced diversity in netflix shows, and then a girl accused him that he was trying to "mansplain" them and how he was totally wrong about this topic, with other girls also started agreeing with her, while I and other men in the group were trying to laugh it off as a joke. Another incident was when I was trying to setup a date over text with a girl I meet through cold approach, and the girl started saying that she doesn't need any man to pay for her, and that she never will (which I didn't know how to take it), and just said good for you being independent and all.

Also today it seems that most girls have their instagram or tinder bio stating that she is a "bad bitch" or "boss babe", etc. and always making posts or stories about "equal pay", "gender pronouns", "toxic masculinity", and other woke bullshit.

So, my question is: Do majority of women now are like this, or is it a small minority, and Is it even worth the effort to pursue these type of women, date them or get into relationships with them?

 

[StrayDog]

It is pretty pervasive on a broader cultural level so you will generally encounter it across the board (if you are living in the states, that is). You will encounter it in some circles and pockets of culture over others. Most women, even in circles where it is more culturally prevalent, aren't exactly what you would call true believers. It is more something that is on the periphery of their radar and they mostly only think about when it comes up in their social circle and they all kind of just parrot each other.

Often when it comes up in convo, I just kind of treat it like a shit test. Getting into a serious discussion on the matter doesn't really go anywhere and can turn into a sort of frame battle. Most people in those kinds of circles know that I don't quite share their views but they never know to what extent exactly, because I just kind of diffuse the whole thing and move the conversation on. I treat their point of view more like an odd curiosity than something I need to contend with. They just kind of accept that I am not going to jump right on bored with their point of view. So the first mistake your friend made was even getting into it with this girl in the first place.

When it comes to long term partners I screen hard to make sure she generaly leans more towards a moderate point of view. I am fine with her having friends that are more left leaning but I can't roll with a woman who is surrounded by fanatics and ideologues. Not my scene and I don't want a woman who's entrenched in that scene. If she is making all sorts of posts on social about that kind of stuff I don't really see her as a long term mate. A few posts here and there about some what moderate issues, whatever. Actually I am generally uninterested in a woman who is too entrenched in social media at all( but that's for another time). If you screen well enough and you have a solid frame, you don't have to worry about her swaying too far in that direction. Just keep your frame strong bro, and nip it in the bud if she starts jumping on that bandwagon. Steer the relationship into more productive forms of relating. All her friends will see how well you two work together and will secretly be wondering why they can't seem to find a man like you.

And don't shack up with a true believer. That's a lost cause, and sometimes a liability even.

Edit: I also want to note that when I was on dating apps (not any more), women who's profile were littered with woke talking points got no likes from me. Really woman, that's the first thing you want to put forward when aiming to have a genuine intimate human connection?

 

[Rakehell]

To me this isn’t an issue in her beliefs, it’s an issue with making her defensive. Every girl is gonna think she’s a feminist to some extent.

To me this could’ve been avoided by steering clear of the topic and dropping the contentious opinions altogether. Unless she’s actually some kind of radical feminist with deep internal values (which is an entirely different thing).

The average girl will agree with feminist things, but that doesn’t mean her behavior is gonna match those values. It’s the same as when a woman says she doesn’t sleep with guy’s on the first date, but will sleep with the right guy on the first date.

She might mean what she says but what she says might not actually be what she means.

 

[ulrich]

The big majority of well-adjusted women are “feminists” on the surface… the reason for that being that women are risk averse and tend to align with whatever mentality is both socially proofed and empowers them.

While most of them will agree on feminist subjects on public settings, you will find that most of them don’t really enforce them besides discourse.

You can even get some of them to admit that they don’t really care much about it in private once you have earned their trust.

That’s well-adjusted women, however.

Not-that-well-adjusted women, on the other hand, can be prone to make feminists remarks or engage in feminists arguments in public.
This kind of women, you basically don’t want near you.

Here’s the thing… pretty much like talking about politics, bringing feminism stuff (or red pill stuff, for that matter) is a big social faux pas.
Cool people don’t do that.

Cool people don’t shove social/political commentary in unneeded situations.

If you pay attention you can see that the reason some girls can get into feminists rants out of nowhere is not because other people agree, rather because other people allow it to happen.
Very few people enjoy the situations you just described… but nobody stops in order to avoid stupid arguments.

Anyway, I’ve been there.
I have dated a couple of hardcore feminists (one had a masters in gender studies, I kid you not) and I can tell you it’s not worth it… I don’t care how hot she is.
Here you have a girl who is heavily alienated, socially stunted (enough to create frustrating arguments in public) and skeptic of all men.
She is going to test you hard and constantly… and she is going to compete with you.
No way this is an enjoyable man-woman relationship.

The only scenario where I would suggest you dating a hardcore feminist is if you want to train your frame control to the ultimate level.

In my opinion, 3 types of truly militant feminists exist:
- The bitter - A girl who had a terrible experience with a man and feels hate and resentment.
- The hideous - She is ugly and blames men for her lack of attractiveness.
- The nutcase - She is just socially stunted.

Bitter girls turning feminists is a phase… she may be a great girl but she is not in a good moment of her life so you shouldn’t date her.
The hideous and nutcases… why even bother?

 

[Alpha13SC]

The only scenario where I would suggest you dating a hardcore feminist is if you want to train your frame control to the ultimate level.

This.
Quite fun sometimes, but it became exhausting.

Do this, then return to the average girl. You ll be amazed on how submissive they are.

I must admit, from time to time I would date one of them just to put my mind at work.

 

[Don Giovanni]

Lol yesterdayday I got into a hardcore debate with a radical feminist. I kinda destroyed her with agreeing to all she was saying, then sharing my point of view (opposing, but presenting it as I’m agreeing) to which she disagreed, I then agreed again to her point of view again and… You get the picture. She wasn’t happy haha

Also annoying when they bring up magic fluff words like “mansplaining” and “it’s because societal programming”. It’s like saying “everything is as it should be”. Not really an argument is it?

Unless you want to troll them, I suggest staying away from those debates.

 

[StrayDog]

This.
Quite fun sometimes, but it became exhausting.

Do this, then return to the average girl. You ll be amazed on how submissive they are.

I must admit, from time to time I would date one of them just to put my mind at work.

Now this here is what we call a remarkable work ethic

They forgot to include you in this one

 

[TomInHo]

I wouldn't take it too seriously.

Women by nature are conformists and will tend to follow the dominant social narrative, which in this case is "Woke" culture.

But lucky for us, women are women and are very malleable in the presence of a strong man. Because I've had relationships with women that were so called "feminists" yet they cooked for me, did my laundry and lots of other submissive/nurturing acts during our time together.

What women want socially is very different from what they want primally, and if you focus on avoiding clashes with her social brain while stimulating her primal brain, she will be a very happy gal

 

[Lover]

I worked in an organization years back which worked to improve equality in terms of sexual rights on an international scale and offered sexual education nationally. I was in a team of 20 teachers or so. Many of them were just seemingly ordinary girl with some difference about their sexuality or gender identity. Most were in ordinary relationships with guys.

Except for myself, the few guys were either gay or transsexuals. One of the gay hit on me back when we had a party. I had to reject him politely but I was flattered about his honesty and straightforwardness.

I worked there to teach and get to know these people more, not to find a place to belong or meet girls (I did consider this but I wasn't into any of them. They were too nice or too shy to be honest). I'm a racial minority, but I'm a man into girls and belonging didn't mean as much to me as some of the others.

From what I saw, no one had intentions about spreading radical viewpoints. Some of us had co-lessons, and it was cool. I particularly liked to teach about STD's and sexual rights.

My takeaway from this organization:

- The average feminist want minorities to feel okay about their differences, but they also want normality to exist as long as it is not hurting the minorities. I think this is what most people misunderstand about the intentions of your average feminist. They don't mind you call your straight friend gay in a joking, derogatory way if you both know it's a joke. Just mind your surroundings when you do and be tactful.

- Just as you have terrorists that use Islam to justify their acts of terrorism, you have extreme people that use feminism to promote a fucked up agenda about this and that. They are the bad apples that, unfortunately, get more time on media because it sells better.

- Some ordinary people claim to support feminism more than they really do. This is usually a smokescreen to improve their own reputation, at least from my observations. Don't take them seriously. These are the people that read some shockingly breaking news about the the differences between male and female income, then dived into feminism and now claim to be feminists without doing anything worthwhile to actually change things. "It's unfair/unjust that things are like this, crying out loud". True but you would be too busy to change things if you really cared.

- And last: some women don't want to tell you or anyone that they stand up for feminism because of the bad rep it has. And they may have a healthy, balanced opinion about it.

I never dated or slept with anyone that considered themselves feminists to my knowledge, but they did have opinions that aligned with feminism. It didn't affect our conversations or their daily living and I was fine with that. But if I knew or found someone had radical opinions, feminism or not, I probably would ghost them

 

[Beck Bass]

that she never will (which I didn't know how to take it), and just said good for you being independent and all.

You handled that well, just let her pay lol

Women wanna be equals, you see, they see men as superior because we achieve more (you can blame it on society or whatever), that's a big reason why women want to be with one man, commited to them so bad, other than kids, they also wanna learn from them, it's important for their strategy.

Women are pushing more for equality globaly now, and it's something that is natural because now we live in a globalized world where they can "see" all other women (and men), so I guess this is only gonna increase with time. Try to help them achieve whatever they wanna achieve while getting your part of the deal as well. Antagonizing them is only gonna make hurt for both, since they can't help but want more from men, and men can't help wanting women as well.

The very extreme dumb feminist should be avoided, though, some people just don't think quite straight (or are, as we say, broken), and a bunch of them happen to be extreme feminists, those people won't do anyone any good, just avoid avoid avoid.