Would upgrading my outfit make a noticeable difference in getting numbers and dates?

[Professor Oak]

What I wear atm is a long parka jacket, a t-shirt, sweatpants and suede chelsea boots all in black.

Do you think upgrading my style would make a noticeable difference in getting numbers and dates?

 

[ulrich]

It depends.
Do you think your current outfit come out as inappropriate, sloppy or unattractive?

 

[Zoro]

Sweat pants and Chelsea boots?

Yes, stop committing blasphemy and get some fitted jeans.

Jokes aside, it’s hard to say. A lot of variables in what makes an outfit look good.

quality
Fit
Your physique
Color choice
Material

And if your game is off, this won’t help much

 

[HoofHearted]

Generally speaking, yes.

I myself have a wide ranging wardrobe, so I speak from experience.

How you are dressed will affect how you are received, particularly with strangers who have limited time/ability to know more about you.

This doesn't mean run out and buy a suit or anything foolish.

It means wear the best fitting, cleanest, most presentable style you can when meeting new people. The rule for fashion means best in context, not sticking out but fitting in among what others around you are wearing, but wearing the best of it well.

 

[tenere]

How you are dressed will affect how you are received, particularly with strangers who have limited time/ability to know more about you.

I have proof. The short version is I was injured and stuck on a couch for about 15 months. Ballooned up to 265. I "was" 6'2".
Got fixed, even donated some discs in my spine, now I'm 6'... did all the basic hide the fat techniques like wear black, untuck
Shirts etc. After that I was on a mission to eat sleep work workout & study healthy habits. NOW 178 Lbs. Color code cloths, everything must fit properly, I even bought a cool vintage sewing machine set up.

The difference in the way people interact with me (especially women) is hard to believe unless you lived both sides. You'll never know if it matters if you look slovenly. But get in shape, look good and people highly accept you. In fact I have noticed women do a lot of the approaching and touching like years past. I'm back, hope this helps.

 

[HoofHearted]

I agree and have had a similiar experience (with nuances).

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

It will up your results.

But the significance of this change, that ultimately depends on the disparity between your old look and your new look.

I would suggest working on eye contact, body language, voice, those kinds of things, before you change your fashion.

But I will only suggest that if your fashion is passable as it is right now.

IF You're walking around in rags rn, then yes fashion should be your #1 priority.

Hope this helps,

BHL

 

[rr2021 aka DEVENCI]

i have tested this in the nightlife.

usually i dress just good enough to get in.

i have tried going all out and for me not that big a difference.

but keep in mind i already have legit male model looks.

fancy clothes or not i get massive levels of attention when i go out just from my face.

if i had a different face then maybe dressing really well would help but for me it has not made a big difference.

maybe 10-15% difference in the nightlife for me.

 

[Chad Tyrone]

Yeah fashion is good but u also need game

Any Joe can have good fashion but fail to get dates much less a number...

If u got game and above average fundamentals...worry less...

Game plays a huge role more than anything yet still u need the fundamentals to get u in the door.Focus on both and u get both numbers and dates easily

 

[Professor Oak]

Yeah fashion is good but u also need game

Any Joe can have good fashion but fail to get dates much less a number...

If u got game and above average fundamentals...worry less...

Game plays a huge role more than anything yet still u need the fundamentals to get u in the door.Focus on both and u get both numbers and dates easily

So if I have game, would upgrading my outfit make a noticeable difference in getting numbers and dates?

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

What I wear atm is a long parka jacket, a t-shirt, sweatpants and suede chelsea boots all in black.

Do you think upgrading my style would make a noticeable difference in getting numbers and dates?

This is how I would rank things to upgrade - from most powerful

1. 3rd party visuals - Social Proof/Fame, Pre-Selection
2. Personal Visuals - Height, Face, Hair, Fitness, Clothing Style/Accessories
3. Non-Verbals - Body language (general)
4. Delivery and Demeanor - eye contact, tone, volume, speed, pauses, facial expressions, body language/movement while you're talking to the girl
5. Verbal Content - what you actually say - avoiding boring topics, being careful around hot button topics, humor, seduction/heat/sex-talk, inspirational, etc.
6. Non-Visuals - dental/body hygiene, cologne, a good skin care regimen for touching

Not sure where to put Social Media in all of this, probably, somewhere in the 1-3 range.

1-3 - generates interest - be it hitting the genetic fitness markers, or the social markers - interest - as in "Oh, look at that guy"
4-5 - convert general interest into specific interest - "He's just like I thought he would be." "Oh he's nothing like I thought he would be" - both of which can be positive or negative, depending on the girl and the time.

Neglecting - 6 - dental/body hygiene - can immediately repulse. Good cologne and a skin regimen can sometimes attract, but usually it's helpful for retention - i.e. giving her secondary reasons to enjoy your company.

And somewhere over-arching all of these things is your INNER GAME/mental land scape.

A good style that makes you stand out from the crowd can change a woman's perception of you before you talk to her, and then her reception as you talk to her.

So if you're wearing a long parka jacket - You can be like this guy and pair it with a turtle neck and matching boots. This parka is blah and boring, but the turtleneck?

Who wears turtlenecks? That's the question in her mind.

Only do this if you're really interested in doing this pick up thing for real. If you're just looking for general dating advice/style advice, forget everything I said.

 

[Professor Oak]

This is how I would rank things to upgrade - from most powerful

1. 3rd party visuals - Social Proof/Fame, Pre-Selection
2. Personal Visuals - Height, Face, Hair, Fitness, Clothing Style/Accessories
3. Non-Verbals - Body language (general)
4. Delivery and Demeanor - eye contact, tone, volume, speed, pauses, facial expressions, body language/movement while you're talking to the girl
5. Verbal Content - what you actually say - avoiding boring topics, being careful around hot button topics, humor, seduction/heat/sex-talk, inspirational, etc.
6. Non-Visuals - dental/body hygiene, cologne, a good skin care regimen for touching

Not sure where to put Social Media in all of this, probably, somewhere in the 1-3 range.

1-3 - generates interest - be it hitting the genetic fitness markers, or the social markers - interest - as in "Oh, look at that guy"
4-5 - convert general interest into specific interest - "He's just like I thought he would be." "Oh he's nothing like I thought he would be" - both of which can be positive or negative, depending on the girl and the time.

Neglecting - 6 - dental/body hygiene - can immediately repulse. Good cologne and a skin regimen can sometimes attract, but usually it's helpful for retention - i.e. giving her secondary reasons to enjoy your company.

And somewhere over-arching all of these things is your INNER GAME/mental land scape.

A good style that makes you stand out from the crowd can change a woman's perception of you before you talk to her, and then her reception as you talk to her.

So if you're wearing a long parka jacket - You can be like this guy and pair it with a turtle neck and matching boots. This parka is blah and boring, but the turtleneck?

Who wears turtlenecks? That's the question in her mind.

Only do this if you're really interested in doing this pick up thing for real. If you're just looking for general dating advice/style advice, forget everything I said.

Thank you for such insightful reply, but a question in my mind still remains: Would upgrading my outfit make a noticeable difference in getting numbers and dates?

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

Thank you for such insightful reply, but a question in my mind still remains: Would upgrading my outfit make a noticeable difference in getting numbers and dates?

More girls will take notice of you.

Right now, wearing the boring/nonsensical/poor style stuff you're wearing, makes you INVISIBLE.

So when you step to a girl, even if she sees you - you're still a non-entity.

So you're really starting from zero, less than zero, when you start talking to the girl.

With the right look, you can start to tell the girl your story, before you say a word.

Dressing like a Rocker, a Hip Hop person, a Motorcycle Rider, a Country and Western guy, Avid Skier, etc - those things tell your story.
If you are suited up, or you're wearing big logos of a big designer - that tells a story.

Telling your story pre approach and nonverbally - makes things way easier on getting attraction, getting buy in, and then converting that to hook ups.

It's a lot like being tall, handsome, or jacked. (except that those go directly to her reptilian brain and say "genetic fitness! let's make babies!)
It's like being the guy in charge of a venue.
It's like being surrounded by a couple of girls that are hanging on your every word.

Those things are basically a non-verbal/non-pushy "approach" even before you step over to her.

When your look is on point, that increases approach invitations.

Again, if you're not serious about this pick up thing, ignore my advice.
Regular dudes want to look nice, look cool.

IMO, the pick up artist uses his visuals the same way a girl uses her visuals.

She can wear flats or heels. But heels do something to the male brain.
She can cover up, or show skin. Showing skin does something to the mail brain.
She can go out with make up, or without. Painting her face has an effect on how you think about her.

They spend trillions of dollars and decades of their lives on their appearance, you can spend a few hours on it.

 

[Chad Tyrone]

So if I have game, would upgrading my outfit make a noticeable difference in getting numbers and dates?

U just wanna hear whether spending some cash on cool outfits will guarantee you numbers or dates?

Well,not every single time...some chicks may think u look fashionable and end up flaking on you regardless worst decline number swapping while others may be impressed and be gung-ho about meeting u again.

That being said... upgrading ur fashion sense places you above most average people in the marketplace.Nothing is as good as standing out from the crowd.Women are more receptive...I think most chicks would like being seen with a cool guy.

Imagine most chicks u would want to approach have gone out of their way to dress sexily...why won't you? With poor fashion u lower ur odds with such kind of women...they may reject you on the opening or on the early phases of seducing them.


Get some fitting clothes and look sexy cause most normies are still dressing like their highschool selves.Again coupling good fashion with good game comes across congruent.

With great fashion women open up cause they also think u might have a cool personality.Poor fundamentals leave nothing to the imagination.They are used to such.


So my point still stands work on both

 

[Chase]

@Professor Oak,

You've got a bunch of great replies here that detail the answer is "Probably yes."

There's a study I saw, which I am pretty certain I referenced in One Date, that found men dressed in high-status, expensive-looking clothes got something like a 40% "yes" rate to women they approached and asked out on the street, vs. 20-something % for men in moderately attractive clothes, vs. I think about 12% for men in crummy-looking clothes. Maybe those percentages are wrong, but it's something dramatic... can't seem to find the study right now.

However, I did find this other one in my notes, where they took these guys and had them get out of different types of cars and go approach women on the street (they cold approached 540 women on the streets of a French town; it's a great study!), and it's basically the same thing (communicating socioeconomic status through your visual presentation). Results:

When they just had the guys ask out random women on the street, they all got about the same rate of yeses. Then they gave them each different cars and had them wait until a woman was walking by to get out in her eyesight and approach her, and tested again:

• Guy A climbed out of a high-status car (a new $60K Audi) and approached women... 23% he approached said yes
  
  
• Guy B climbed out of a mid-status car (a 1-year-old $25K Renault) and approached women... 12.8% said yes
  
  
• Guy C climbed out of a low-status car ($800 15-year-old Renault) and approached women... 7.8% said yes

In the car study, it's a 3x boost in yeses going from low status --> high status car.

In the clothes one, if my memory is correct, it was also a 3x boost in yeses going from low status clothes --> high status clothes.

T-shirt, sweat pants... this is low socioeconomic status attire. Doesn't mean YOU are low socioeconomic status... but it is how low SOE men dress, so when a woman sees it, her first thought is, "Unsuccessful low SOE guy." You're basically just giving yourself a big challenge to overcome, since you don't look like a successful guy. You CAN pick up wearing anything... I've done it... I had a buddy who used to always go out and pick up girls at dive bars wearing a red t-shirt and basic jeans. His game was off-the-charts good though.

tl;dr: if you switch to high SOE attire (doesn't have to be expensive... just has to LOOK like it could be expensive; i.e., clothes that say, "This guy is a successful guy"), you will see a lift.

I tried this myself at one point, getting a tailor-made suit, button-down, and overcoat, all very stylish, all perfectly fitted to me, threw a scarf on, and wore that when I was going to work or social events, and approached women on the street and train as I was going or returning, and it was the highest and most consistent immediate interest I have ever gotten from women. I consistently had extremely beautiful women behaving very excited and nervous to meet me and readily handing over their contacts, noticeably more than usual... one girl I'd recently bedded who hadn't seen me dressed that way I had meet me in my building lobby at night as I was returning from somewhere while out, and she said when she saw me dressed like that she "saw stars in her eyes" and that she "hadn't realized I could look that good."

Going out that dressed up doesn't fit my lifestyle these days, so I don't much do it (still wear nice-looking clothes, of course, just not extreme über successful guy high-end-looking stuff most of the time), but it's nice knowing any time I want to make things really easy for myself, all I have to do is throw on the right outfit.

Chase

 

[Chad Tyrone]

Going out that dressed up doesn't fit my lifestyle these days, so I don't much do it (still wear nice-looking clothes, of course), but it's nice knowing any time I want to make things really easy for myself, all I have to do is throw on the right outfit.

Pretty much like once u r advanced,chicks can easily pick up on your coolness by the way you come across...your walk,eye contact,facial hair,body posture...all non-verbals...name it.

At that point,game is what works for you ...from your opener to the hook point she can easily pick up on you being down the block and is willing to comply to most requests or demands that u may throw her way no matter what plainly nice clothes u have on.

@Professor Oak so would say once you got ur game down ... basically handling social fundamentals and body fundamentals u ought to worry about clothes less...not to say dress poorly.

Couple that with some sexy voice and u'll get them blushing on your opener

~Chad Tyrone

 

[Professor Oak]

@Professor Oak,

You've got a bunch of great replies here that detail the answer is "Probably yes."

There's a study I saw, which I am pretty certain I referenced in One Date, that found men dressed in high-status, expensive-looking clothes got something like a 40% "yes" rate to women they approached and asked out on the street, vs. 20-something % for men in moderately attractive clothes, vs. I think about 12% for men in crummy-looking clothes. Maybe those percentages are wrong, but it's something dramatic... can't seem to find the study right now.

However, I did find this other one in my notes, where they took these guys and had them get out of different types of cars and go approach women on the street (they cold approached 540 women on the streets of a French town; it's a great study!), and it's basically the same thing (communicating socioeconomic status through your visual presentation). Results:

When they just had the guys ask out random women on the street, they all got about the same rate of yeses. Then they gave them each different cars and had them wait until a woman was walking by to get out in her eyesight and approach her, and tested again:

• Guy A climbed out of a high-status car (a new $60K Audi) and approached women... 23% he approached said yes
  
  
• Guy B climbed out of a mid-status car (a 1-year-old $25K Renault) and approached women... 12.8% said yes
  
  
• Guy C climbed out of a low-status car ($800 15-year-old Renault) and approached women... 7.8% said yes

In the car study, it's a 3x boost in yeses going from low status --> high status car.

In the clothes one, if my memory is correct, it was also a 3x boost in yeses going from low status clothes --> high status clothes.

T-shirt, sweat pants... this is low socioeconomic status attire. Doesn't mean YOU are low socioeconomic status... but it is how low SOE men dress, so when a woman sees it, her first thought is, "Unsuccessful low SOE guy." You're basically just giving yourself a big challenge to overcome, since you don't look like a successful guy. You CAN pick up wearing anything... I've done it... I had a buddy who used to always go out and pick up girls at dive bars wearing a red t-shirt and basic jeans. His game was off-the-charts good though.

tl;dr: if you switch to high SOE attire (doesn't have to be expensive... just has to LOOK like it could be expensive; i.e., clothes that say, "This guy is a successful guy"), you will see a lift.

I tried this myself at one point, getting a tailor-made suit, button-down, and overcoat, all very stylish, all perfectly fitted to me, threw a scarf on, and wore that when I was going to work or social events, and approached women on the street and train as I was going or returning, and it was the highest and most consistent immediate interest I have ever gotten from women. I consistently had extremely beautiful women behaving very excited and nervous to meet me and readily handing over their contacts, noticeably more than usual... one girl I'd recently bedded who hadn't seen me dressed that way I had meet me in my building lobby at night as I was returning from somewhere while out, and she said when she saw me dressed like that she "saw stars in her eyes" and that she "hadn't realized I could look that good."

Going out that dressed up doesn't fit my lifestyle these days, so I don't much do it (still wear nice-looking clothes, of course, just not extreme über successful guy high-end-looking stuff most of the time), but it's nice knowing any time I want to make things really easy for myself, all I have to do is throw on the right outfit.

This is very insightful. From this and other posts I gathered enough info to justify improving my style.

Now the question I have is high-status, expensive-looking , extreme über successful guy high-end-looking clothes= business casual or business attire or just expensive looking clothes or what kind of clothes do you mean by the abovementioned description?

Also would it be much easier to display the qualities you're talking about with business casual or business attire rather than the bad boy attire, although it's possible to do it with the bad boy attire, it would be more difficult, wouldn't it?
So does it mean that it's better to go for the business casual or business attire vs the bad boy attire for somebody who is a noob in style in order to more succesfully display the qualities you're talking about if we are talking about approaching normal women?

 

[killerman]

What I wear atm is a long parka jacket, a t-shirt, sweatpants and suede chelsea boots all in black.

Do you think upgrading my style would make a noticeable difference in getting numbers and dates?

Chelsea boots are good, keep those. Sweatpants not so much. I'm currently trying to revamp my style to look sexy as ****. But yes, upgrading your outfit will do wonders for your sexual appeal with women.

 

[killerman]

It also depends on your personality.

@Professor Oak,

You've got a bunch of great replies here that detail the answer is "Probably yes."

There's a study I saw, which I am pretty certain I referenced in One Date, that found men dressed in high-status, expensive-looking clothes got something like a 40% "yes" rate to women they approached and asked out on the street, vs. 20-something % for men in moderately attractive clothes, vs. I think about 12% for men in crummy-looking clothes. Maybe those percentages are wrong, but it's something dramatic... can't seem to find the study right now.

However, I did find this other one in my notes, where they took these guys and had them get out of different types of cars and go approach women on the street (they cold approached 540 women on the streets of a French town; it's a great study!), and it's basically the same thing (communicating socioeconomic status through your visual presentation). Results:

When they just had the guys ask out random women on the street, they all got about the same rate of yeses. Then they gave them each different cars and had them wait until a woman was walking by to get out in her eyesight and approach her, and tested again:

• Guy A climbed out of a high-status car (a new $60K Audi) and approached women... 23% he approached said yes
  
  
• Guy B climbed out of a mid-status car (a 1-year-old $25K Renault) and approached women... 12.8% said yes
  
  
• Guy C climbed out of a low-status car ($800 15-year-old Renault) and approached women... 7.8% said yes

In the car study, it's a 3x boost in yeses going from low status --> high status car.

In the clothes one, if my memory is correct, it was also a 3x boost in yeses going from low status clothes --> high status clothes.

T-shirt, sweat pants... this is low socioeconomic status attire. Doesn't mean YOU are low socioeconomic status... but it is how low SOE men dress, so when a woman sees it, her first thought is, "Unsuccessful low SOE guy." You're basically just giving yourself a big challenge to overcome, since you don't look like a successful guy. You CAN pick up wearing anything... I've done it... I had a buddy who used to always go out and pick up girls at dive bars wearing a red t-shirt and basic jeans. His game was off-the-charts good though.

tl;dr: if you switch to high SOE attire (doesn't have to be expensive... just has to LOOK like it could be expensive; i.e., clothes that say, "This guy is a successful guy"), you will see a lift.

I tried this myself at one point, getting a tailor-made suit, button-down, and overcoat, all very stylish, all perfectly fitted to me, threw a scarf on, and wore that when I was going to work or social events, and approached women on the street and train as I was going or returning, and it was the highest and most consistent immediate interest I have ever gotten from women. I consistently had extremely beautiful women behaving very excited and nervous to meet me and readily handing over their contacts, noticeably more than usual... one girl I'd recently bedded who hadn't seen me dressed that way I had meet me in my building lobby at night as I was returning from somewhere while out, and she said when she saw me dressed like that she "saw stars in her eyes" and that she "hadn't realized I could look that good."

Going out that dressed up doesn't fit my lifestyle these days, so I don't much do it (still wear nice-looking clothes, of course, just not extreme über successful guy high-end-looking stuff most of the time), but it's nice knowing any time I want to make things really easy for myself, all I have to do is throw on the right outfit.

Chase

I'm thinking of going out dressed like that but the thing I'm worried about is if I go out dressed like that I'll be getting numbers and interest for the wrong reason eg gold diggers. When you go out dressed like that are you getting women's numbers because you're communicating status or because you're coming off as sexy as hell? I want to get numbers and interest from women because my sexy vibe is off the charts and making them dripping wet. In that case is it better to dress as a sexy badboy, or can dressing up super expensive high end create the same desired effect?

 

[ulrich]

It also depends on your personality.

I'm thinking of going out dressed like that but the thing I'm worried about is if I go out dressed like that I'll be getting numbers and interest for the wrong reason eg gold diggers. When you go out dressed like that are you getting women's numbers because you're communicating status or because you're coming off as sexy as hell? I want to get numbers and interest from women because my sexy vibe is off the charts and making them dripping wet. In that case is it better to dress as a sexy badboy, or can dressing up super expensive high end create the same desired effect?

You’re overthinking it.

The way you dress only opens the door so people are more likely to treat you better/worse depending on the initial associations they do about you.
It’s only the first impression.

Your game and personality are much more determinant on who chooses to date and fuck you.

I have never heard a woman say: “Oh, those clothes made me so horny I had to fuck him”