WTF?

[Mr Mistah]

I honestly hate how non game practitioners are washing me in the seduction game.

A cat who is my senior at work but my friend nonetheless is cleaning up with the ladies despite me being here longer.

He's tall af.

Almost Like the 6" something dude on IG called @king68thegreat

I'm 6'0 myself.

This cat puts in 0 work but has the finnest babes walk up to him asking for a chance.

I've never been a looks status guy but seeing the King's guy videos demoralised me lowkey

Why do we have to put in all his efforts just to achieve half his results?

Looks may not be important but they damn seem 99% significant.

This cat is in a place of authority, married but also an extroverted party goer.

The girls are rejecting him because he has a wife and they know he cant reciprocate the feelings they have for him.
L
What am I missing?

How do I compete???

He's turned down some of the girls I'm after

Huge ego hit if Im being tbh

 

[Spike]

I'm 6'0 myself.

This cat puts in 0 work but has the finnest babes walk up to him asking for a chance.

I’m also 6 ft and get the same reactions whenever I go out. I only like his videos because they debunk this myth that the hottest girls are extremely subtle with their IOIs (maybe true for guys that aren’t good looking/put a lot of effort into their appearance) and don’t care about looks as much as men do (in his videos you’ll just see him staring into space or just be on his phone and then gets approached). You can clearly see with your own eyes that if your their type, all that goes out the window.

What am I missing?

How do I compete???

Looks, fitness and style max. Water is wet type shi

 

[Mr Mistah]

Man I used to see all these guys bitching to Chase about Looks and think to myself "Clowns. Just go put in the work."

Untill I saw how easy these guys have it

Not a single word, but the girls are falling all over him

Tripping over themselves trying to get the #

Goddamn

 

[TomInHo]

Man I used to see all these guys bitching to Chase about Looks and think to myself "Clowns. Just go put in the work."

You still got to put in the work

That King guy still puts in a ton of work. He built up his social media to get massive preselection. Some of the girls that approach him already follow him on social

He is 6'8 but is also lean and muscular. The height is god given but it's not easy for a guy that height to fill out his frame like that

He always does his hair so it's in a style that is trendy for his race and target demo

He is always wearing trendy clothes and is often one of the best dress males in the area

His teeth are veneers so he always has a perfect white smile

He also walks around with a camera crew which give him the air of "This guy is important"

You may not realize but that guy probably has put in way more work that you, so his results are not that surprising

Some people will look at him and say he is only lucky, and they not wrong because

“Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity”

So maybe you could use him as inspiration for how to improve your luck

 

[ChrisXKiss]

This cat is in a place of authority, married but also an extroverted party goer.

The girls are rejecting him because he has a wife and they know he cant reciprocate the feelings they have for him.

Wait a second, is he actually sleeping with them or he is married, they are hitting on him but nothing happens?

 

[Skills]

I honestly hate how non game practitioners are washing me in the seduction game.

A cat who is my senior at work but my friend nonetheless is cleaning up with the ladies despite me being here longer.

He's tall af.

Almost Like the 6" something dude on IG called @king68thegreat

I'm 6'0 myself.

This cat puts in 0 work but has the finnest babes walk up to him asking for a chance.

I've never been a looks status guy but seeing the King's guy videos demoralised me lowkey

Why do we have to put in all his efforts just to achieve half his results?

Looks may not be important but they damn seem 99% significant.

This cat is in a place of authority, married but also an extroverted party goer.

The girls are rejecting him because he has a wife and they know he cant reciprocate the feelings they have for him.
L
What am I missing?

How do I compete???

He's turned down some of the girls I'm after

Huge ego hit if Im being tbh

You are focusing on the wrong things with your ras... Focus on the things you can control
.. i can't tell you how many times i seen guys less attractive taking girls from younger or more attractive guys, guilty,. And attractive guys get depressed when this happens... Focus on maximazing and worrying about things you can control if you want inspiration is ok, but it ends there... A lot of women for example don't like over certain height because they have to extrain the neck up to look up i bet you didn't know this... I will post later a post on height and attractiveness from my blog...i am tall by the way so is no cope...are you journaling your interactions?

 

[Mr Mistah]

You are focusing on the wrong things with your ras... Focus on the things you can control
.. i can't tell you how many times i seen guys less attractive taking girls from younger or more attractive guys, guilty,. And attractive guys get depressed when this happens... Focus on maximazing and worrying about things you can control if you want inspiration is ok, but it ends there... A lot of women for example don't like over certain height because they have to extrain the neck up to look up i bet you didn't know this... I will post later a post on height and attractiveness from my blog...i am tall by the way so is no cope...are you journaling your interactions?

Actually my argument is that the whole looks money status was just noise to me until I saw these guys in action

Until I saw guys achieving my ends with half or little to no effort

Honestly, I never cared about looks at all

It all sounded like the distant yapping of incels in the background until I saw the amount and strength of IOIs these people receive compared to me

You still got to put in the work

That King guy still puts in a ton of work. He built up his social media to get massive preselection. Some of the girls that approach him already follow him on social

Bruv

Check that @.

Literally just check his @

These girls approach him without having a clue who he is

They literally walk up to him and hand over their numbers then ask him severally if he's really going to text them

I've had girls interested in me but not to that extent

He most def puts effort in his dressing, tatoos but outside of that everything else is on autopilot mode

Just a handsome guy occupying space as girls open, lead the conversation and compete amongst themselves over the guy

I'm sorry but the standard 'focus on yourself' doesnt do much in this scenario but feel like a bandage solution

I'm putting 2x the effort just to achieve half his results

I mean the guy doesnt even need to learn much about being a conversationalist, the girls are forcing lame convos on his behalf

His game from my pov is being non reactive. The girls propose threesomes and other outright sexual things and he doesnt jump at the opportunity or get over excited

are you journaling your interactions?

Yes I do. I have them mentally written

Girls I'm not particularly in awe of however

 

[TomInHo]

Bruv

Check that @.

Literally just check his @

Bruv I have been following King68 for over a year. I am very familiar with him

Some of the girls do tell him they saw him on their TikTok or IG feed. Some of the girls know who he is

Also not all of his interactions are real

He's had women show up in multiple clips and each time they make it seem like it's the first time they met

He has even had to delete videos in the past because his audience caught him faking interactions

But as he made more content he got better at making his extreme reactions appear more believable

Still though it's not all fake. Some of it is very real

I personally saw better results and similar things when I started dressing more like him when I go out

I'm 6'2 and pretty muscular. But when I changed up my style and presentation I noticed

- More girls approach me

- Women in groups approaching me for after parties

- Women ask me very early in interactions "You have a girlfriend?"

- Women telling their friends to talk to me on their behalf

- Women in the middle of the set start talking blatantly about sex with no prompting from me

- Women asking me to take them home with no prompting from me

- Women being way more open when I did approach

I didn't always have those kinds of reactions. But it has been become so frequent that I have naturally become a bit lazier when I go out

Will still approach because some women will never approach you no matter how good you look. But if you their type and they sexually available usually won't make things way too difficult

Or if you do run into some resistance can then run game to help you close it out. They already liked you but maybe had some weird hang up about fucking you too fast or thinking you too much of a player or whateva

So yes working on yourself in the right ways is not a bad idea. It can make the game upfront so much easier

But if you don't want to believe it then that's also fair. It's your life and you can live it however you want

So you can stay bitter, stay the same and accept reality or choose the get better

Your choice really

 

[Spike]

I'm 6'2 and pretty muscular. But when I changed up my style and presentation I noticed

I noticed the same things you listed after changing up my style as well (haircut, jewelry, tattoos, piercings included). The list of these newfound benefits, that were previously
not available to me before I changed up my style, is why I don’t shut up about it.

From @Rakehell (RIP?)

I’ve seen this guys transformation and it was pretty substantial. how he physically looks facially is pretty irrelevant.

The biggest changes were in fact cosmetic. It had more to do with muscle mass, tattoos and style of dress.

Even as a guy myself I can see how the overall perception of him shifted.

If you put the same guy in a button up, skinny jeans, with a bad haircut, he will have a different immediate perception than if he dressed in what is considered fuck boy/sexual candidate attire with a cool haircut and tattoos.

While the behavior or the person (game), stays the same, his immediate perception and stereotypes change with how he presents visually. It’s simple math.

 

[Skills]

Actually my argument is that the whole looks money status was just noise to me until I saw these guys in action

it has always matter the whole point of the community is that you can achieve results without relying on lms, and that a lot of guys use lms as cope for not taking action and making up excuses.... Also there was a period were the marketers were abusing the lms concept like rsd, but that was before your time and it was mainly rsd, but they also flipped on that... though tyler is hideous now...

Until I saw guys achieving my ends with half or little to no effort

the better your fundamentals the less effort, it has always been like this, but you still have to put some effort..

Honestly, I never cared about looks at all

Bingo ^ this is the problem, lol..... here

It all sounded like the distant yapping of incels in the background until I saw the amount and strength of IOIs these people receive compared to me


Bruv

Check that @.

Literally just check his @

These girls approach him without having a clue who he is

They literally walk up to him and hand over their numbers then ask him severally if he's really going to text them

I've had girls interested in me but not to that extent

He most def puts effort in his dressing, tatoos but outside of that everything else is on autopilot mode

Just a handsome guy occupying space as girls open, lead the conversation and compete amongst themselves over the guy

I'm sorry but the standard 'focus on yourself' doesnt do much in this scenario but feel like a bandage solution

I'm putting 2x the effort just to achieve half his results

I mean the guy doesnt even need to learn much about being a conversationalist, the girls are forcing lame convos on his behalf

His game from my pov is being non reactive. The girls propose threesomes and other outright sexual things and he doesnt jump at the opportunity or get over excited

^ again, this is strategy is limited, if you want to try something like that, we teach hoovering, looking and forcing approach invites, and ways to have women come up to you (this has always been taught actually the original reason i got into dance floor game)......

About the ig guy i don't know about him i don't follow him, saw couple of videos posted by spike.... I mean this happens in clubs specially with gen z, I am not impress.... is a gll 2.0 kunta kinte version.... if you want to learn this style of game, go to good looking loser old forum (don't know if is still around) look for his old archives and articles is actually more practical... and you can replicate it....

About the good looking girls coming up to you club, i seen guys max out in style at clubs, i personally don't see much of this, hit or miss.... there has been poster that are also try this style with no success in many forums, the last one here is sex no validation...

We had had black muscular guys that also did not have a lot of success without knowing seduction, kaida is one there was another one got banned from forum...

and there were many of this type of dudes in other forums(could not get laid), i also met models that knew seduction one came to visit me, i don't really see the exaggerated claims on forums in real life...

Anyways, you should control what you control and max out and optimize your fundamentals i mean this has been repeated to death... The reason why the community does not talk about this lms, specially look maxing, is cause it becomes narrow casting and repetitive...

The 4 Categories of Attractiveness Fundamentals

We've got a lot of guys on here nowadays who have not read my book (where I introduced the concept of "attractiveness fundamentals" in 2011), gone through One Date, or watch my Fantastic Fundamentals series on GirlsChase.TV. Girls Chase alums who have gone through the book or One Date are very...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Mr Mistah]

That's an interesting perspective.

So King's results are easily replicable with gym and a change in style?

From my readings on here it always seemed like the best bet is working on your personality rather than becoming a full on gym bro metrosexual fashionista who doesnt have a single hair out of place and is constantly tracking his calories

This is the vibe I get from King btw

again, this is strategy is limited

Why do you say this?

I do a lot of 'let them come to me' in my interactions that even my successful friend has commented on it

Social circle however

I get a lot of girls hovering around me like I'm the sun

Even these girls notice and ask me why other girls seem so comfortable and physical around me

Closing them is a whole other conversation though

About the ig guy i don't know about him i don't follow him, saw couple of videos posted by spike.... I mean this happens in clubs specially with gen z, I am not impress....

Interesting

So if you're infield and you come across such a guy you'd say he isn't competition to you?

I hear alot of that here

That the competition is non existent which leaves me wondering okay so who exactly is the competition if not the guy getting girls tripping over themselves just by existing?

Looks, fitness and style max. Water is wet type shi

You know Chase isn't exactly the #1 reference for any of these things compared to these well built, fashionable dudes (and I mean no offense with this statement) but I get the sense that in a 1v1 he'd smoke them and leave with the girl.

I haven't seen him infield so its mostly a guess

What's his X factor? Why doesnt he have to do all that fashionista gym bro stuff?

I have to admit that this question is coming from a place of laziness bc the idea of starting on a year long journey of becoming buff isn't very encouraging

I do gym once to twice a week but not intensely

 

[Atlas IV]

You know Chase isn't exactly the #1 reference for any of these things compared to these well built, fashionable dudes (and I mean no offense with this statement) but I get the sense that in a 1v1 he'd smoke them and leave with the girl.

I haven't seen him infield so its mostly a guess

What's his X factor? Why doesnt he have to do all that fashionista gym bro stuff?

His "X factor" is that he understands that all you really need to do to sleep with girls is build similarity with them, arouse them, lead them, and escalate quickly. The rest falls into place. That shit matters way more than the first impression of being tall or muscular or whatever.

I'm 6"4', been skinny most of my life and only just now building out a lean muscular frame.

Before coming across GirlsChase, I was struggling with girls.

I always hated my height because I thought the problem was that I was too tall for most girls. And this was in places where tall white guys are the stereotypically attractive - Latin America, Asia, etc.

Now I realize that it was just a mix of poor fashion, bad fundamentals and lack of PUA skills. Fixing that stuff changed everything. Height was actually not even a factor - I know this because I've known plenty of short guys who pulled hotter girls because their fundamentals were better than mine.

I have to admit that this question is coming from a place of laziness bc the idea of starting on a year long journey of becoming buff isn't very encouraging

First, don't assume that getting buff means girls will be coming up to you like that famous guy on IG. There are tons of guys out there with physiques like him that don't get much attention at all.

Second, don't assume that upfront attention from girls means they will jump into bed with you. Reactions don't equal results. You watched a video of a guy famous on social media getting a girl's number then automatically assumed that he's banging all these girls. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. The point is you're getting frustrated over something that's mostly in your imagination.

 

[Spike]

From my readings on here it always seemed like the best bet is working on your personality rather than becoming a full on gym bro metrosexual fashionista who doesnt have a single hair out of place and is constantly tracking his calories

And how has working on your personality while neglecting your looks worked out for you? The obvious answer is to max out both.

Without the looks, they don’t care to hear what you gotta say. And without the personality/being able to lead that initial attraction from your fundamentals to a lay, you don’t get laid.

I looked up GLL because @Skills mentioned him and he had this to say about the hot girls with social status:

Which still rings true today 12 years later

You know Chase isn't exactly the #1 reference for any of these things compared to these well built, fashionable dudes (and I mean no offense with this statement) but I get the sense that in a 1v1 he'd smoke them and leave with the girl.

I haven't seen him infield so its mostly a guess

What's his X factor? Why doesnt he have to do all that fashionista gym bro stuff?

I can’t diss the guy keeping the lights on over here. So I’ll skip this question.

I have to admit that this question is coming from a place of laziness bc the idea of starting on a year long journey of becoming buff isn't very encouraging

I’m not buff. And you don’t have to be either for this strategy to work. Because like @Atlas IV just said above, there are a lot of guys with physique like his that don’t get much attention.

The point is you're getting frustrated over something that's mostly in your imagination

It’s that the guy that he works with gets automatic compliance from the hot girls at work while doing nothing game wise. While he’s getting nowhere with those same girls applying the teachings of girlschase.

 

[Skills]

That's an interesting perspective.

So King's results are easily replicable with gym and a change in style?

No he put a lot of work on his fitness and style and social media.. nothing is easy

From my readings on here it always seemed like the best bet is working on your personality rather than becoming a full on gym bro metrosexual fashionista who doesnt have a single hair out of place and is constantly tracking his calories

You work on both brother, you were wrong...

This is the vibe I get from King btw

Why do you say this?

Cause is limited if you want more options not most of the women you want are going to approach you and make it easy for you

I do a lot of 'let them come to me' in my interactions that even my successful friend has commented on it

Social circle however

I am taking about cold approach,

I get a lot of girls hovering around me like I'm the sun

Good

Even these girls notice and ask me why other girls seem so comfortable and physical around me

Good

Closing them is a whole other conversation though

Just lol, that is what counts, i have never been impressed with women coming up to me and opening me doesn't really translate to lays, though my current main open me

Interesting

So if you're infield and you come across such a guy you'd say he isn't competition to you?

I hear alot of that here

They are not talking about guys like kin brah... They are taking about most of the other guys... but if kin is going to wait for a girl to come and open him, maybe o can include him,.. i guarantee you a lot of the girls he wants won't come an open him

That the competition is non existent which leaves me wondering okay so who exactly is the competition if not the guy getting girls tripping over themselves just by existing?

I seen this situation when females are competing for same guy

You know Chase isn't exactly the #1 reference for any of these things compared to these well built, fashionable dudes (and I mean no offense with this statement) but I get the sense that in a 1v1 he'd smoke them and leave with the girl.

I haven't seen him infield so its mostly a guess

What does has to do with the article I link, the article is what everyone is saying in the post, you are claiming the forum or girls chase or community don't talk about fundamentals, that is his first chapter of his main course and is explains the importance of fundament

 

[Skills]

I was going to put scientific stats from my blog on the height stuff, but is gone will have to do web archive search.... It was studies on women preference in height for what I remember the best spot for women was between 5 11 and 6 3 after 6 4 it was the same as 5 8 i am going to see if i find it but a lot of work gonna se if one of my guys can get it old link now gone..

 

[Mr Mistah]

Pulling and arousing girls because you have an excellent mouthpiece on you is one thing.

Pulling and arousing girls with your mere presence and looks without saying a word is another

I'm trying to understand the second one

How to get that strong initial reaction, investment, arousal and almost automatic compliance

Ascribing this to fundamentals is abit reductionist because how many of you get these kind of interactions, consistently with attractive girls

Also note that this isn't about getting your typical IOIs
But full on arousal, compliance, investment and needyness without much of a verbal exchange happening

And not from ugly, horny, high T chicks.
Good looking feminine ones

Look at King's videos

All he seems to do is maintain open body language, make eye contact then the girls walk up to him complementing, asking for his number and basically asking for reassurance the he will text them (very needy, afc kind of thing)

Somewhere across the room is a pua doing all this fancy footwork, emptying the whole clip with cocky funny, teasing, genuine compliments etc just to get to the hook point

Whole time King's girls are ready to go. They ask questions like "What are you doing after this?" "Where are you going after this?"

It's fucking ridiculous really

I want to understand this power

And how has working on your personality while neglecting your looks worked out for you? The obvious answer is to max out both.

Neglect is a strong word.

I get comments on my fashion now and then. Girls tell me I smell nice Girls ask me where I buy my clothes etc

But my looks are nowhere near maxed out if we're using IG male influencers as a benchmark

There's certainly work to be done there
Amongst other things I am working on body language wise

Second, don't assume that upfront attention from girls means they will jump into bed with you. Reactions don't equal results.

Its not over till its over. Fully agree

But seeing the star struck look in these girls eyes as they fight to push things forward is hard to ignore

Wait a second, is he actually sleeping with them or he is married, they are hitting on him but nothing happens?

He toys with them because he doesnt want to cheat.

Although he's made out with a few

But from the look of things he can pull if he wants to

The attraction and compliance is usually there without him doing too much groundwork

What does has to do with the article I link, the article is what everyone is saying in the post, you are claiming the forum or girls chase or community don't talk about fundamentals, that is his first chapter of his main course and is explains the importance of fundament

Nope. I haven't said this at all

I have basic fundamentals worked on - grooming, good clothes, posture, eye contact etc

I'd be a fool to come type all this if I looked like a homeless guy

What I'm basically asking is, is there a mystical, under discussed version of game where attraction, arousal, investment and compliance are instant and consistent without all the typical motions that seducers go through?

Like the conversation is "Hi. Lets' fuck" and the girls says okay. Done deal

For the longest time I thought this is delusion until I paused, looked around at what others guy have going on and noticed they're getting way more results without much work consistently

Its easy to go, meh maybe that girl was horny and really into him

No. This isnt a one off it happens consistently

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

 

[Atlas IV]

What I'm basically asking is, is there a mystical, under discussed version of game where attraction, arousal, investment and compliance are instant and consistent without all the typical motions that seducers go through?

Like the conversation is "Hi. Lets' fuck" and the girls says okay. Done deal

For the longest time I thought this is delusion until I paused, looked around at what others guy have going on and noticed they're getting way more results without much work consistently

To clarify, are you talking about guys you actually know in real life who you have seen pulling girls (not just talking with them) with this level of ease, or are you talking about Instagram influencers getting upfront attention from excited girls while on camera?

Because those are two totally different things. Again, I think you're imagining and projecting stuff that you haven't independently verified.

 

[TomInHo]

Neglect is a strong word.

I get comments on my fashion now and then. Girls tell me I smell nice Girls ask me where I buy my clothes etc

But my looks are nowhere near maxed out if we're using IG male influencers as a benchmark

If you get girls giving you these advances why are you not closing them then?

It seems like women do give you opportunities but you are not taking advantage

Maybe that's why you so obsessed with this King Guy

Because I highly doubt if you were sealing the deal often you would even make a post like this

Therefore even though you probably can still improve your fundies, there is still lots of improvements to be made in your game department too

 

[Spike]

How to get that strong initial reaction, investment, arousal and almost automatic compliance

By having very strong fundamentals. Which you do not currently have.

But my looks are nowhere near maxed out if we're using IG male influencers as a benchmark

I have basic fundamentals worked on - grooming, good clothes, posture, eye contact etc

I'd be a fool to come type all this if I looked like a homeless guy

Aha. And here we arrive at the fundamental problem I have with this fundamentals (heh) talk. I wrote the comment below in response to Tryst saying that “having decent fundementals is the bare minimum requirement to game”.

I actually do think a lot of guys here have decent enough style to game girls. Aren’t dressing like slobs smelling like shit. Just not at the level to get girls of this quality to do this.

From the comments section:

“I’m out here spitting game and dude just standing there”

And then @Skills talks about how fundementals is literally the first chapter of his main course.

listen. I know most of you guys aren’t dressing like homeless slobs. Who smell like shit and expecting to pull girls with your amazing verbal game. I know you guys are trying to put at least some effort (even if it’s minimum) on trying to look good. But guess what? So does every other guy lol. if you want the reactions that I’m talking about, you need to go even further than the basics. The basics won’t get girls reacting the way they do to guys like king.

look at the chain he’s wearing around his neck. His tattoos. The brands of the clothes he wears. His haircut. Think about how much he spends on skincare, teeth care, to look that good. That is a lot of money and effort . If you want those sorts of reactions from those types of girls, you have to go beyond the basic fundamentals.

For the longest time I thought this is delusion until I paused, looked around at what others guy have going on and noticed they're getting way more results without much work consistently

Its easy to go, meh maybe that girl was horny and really into him

No. This isnt a one off it happens consistently

Good. On the right path.

 

[TomInHo]

Also @Mr Mistah I recogized your name then saw you said this about someone else recently

I'm in a social circle where this guy simply clears with women.

Honestly the highest reference point for what it means to be good with women.

He's abit immature in that he goes from one woman to another without giving a fuck

Leaves a trail of broken (yet yearning) hearts

He's not a Chad looks wise.

But he is quite proud.

Feels like he is God's gift to women kind of vibe. I don't chase them I replace them.

I am not convinced that this is his edge as men posture alot when their sexual ability comes into question.

But I tried interviewing girls that are into him to find out why and they said

1. He's a good listener
2. He connects with my feminine side

And my initial response was wtf do you mean?

So first you whine and complain about a guy that is not a Chad that has superior game than you

Then later you complain about a guy that is a Chad that supposedly uses less game than you

Seems like no matter the scenario, you find a way to focus on other men’s success in way that makes you feel inferior

Look man you can work on your fundamentals all you want, but if you don't level up your mindset and game as well. . .

I guarantee you will still struggle

So if you really want some help post more field reports of you actually trying to fuck women. And make less posts of you complaining about other men that are doing better than you