" You can only pull less attractive chicks from DayGame"

[Spyce D]

I have been hearing this from some folks recently .

One of them was someone whom I introduced to cold approach and pickup ... But cuz he didn't do much in the game ... But kept on living in social circle like a normal dude ... Now he is giving me lectures cuz he has recently got a girlfriend ... And how I have never had any serious relationship .

And also how that GIRLS YOU WILL GET IN SOCIAL CIRCLE >>> GIRLS YOU WILL GET VIA COLD APPROACH.

Another guy ... Similar story ....

There was also a different guy who had been gaming for roughly 10 years on and off . He basically said the same story that you can only get 6 , 7 s from cold approach .

I know that it's all just a limiting belief .

But , the thing is lot of folks shit on us ( daygamers ) .

And also the fact that in pickup circles , cold approach is the best way to meet women.

And this is also a fact that there are good number of puas who end up quitting due to not getting results .

What can I say ... This field is really hard and weeds a lot of men out .

Only the ones who keep on improving , innovating , improvising .... Will get what they want .

 

[DarkKnight]

But , the thing is lot of folks shit on us ( daygamers ) .

And also the fact that in pickup circles , cold approach is the best way to meet women.

And this is also a fact that there are good number of puas who end up quitting due to not getting results .

What can I say ... This field is really hard and weeds a lot of men out .

Only the ones who keep on improving , innovating , improvising .... Will get what they want .

what is your point with this post man? Usually guys like that who criticize daygames are those who have no success or actually don't want it to work because they will never do it. I don't take them seriously

 

[Spyce D]

what is your point with this post man? Usually guys like that who criticize daygames are those who have no success or actually don't want it to work because they will never do it. I don't take them seriously

At my current level , I am also facing similar issues like not able to pull attractive chicks but rather than seeing it as game is only for average chicks , I am seeing it as an opportunity to improve myself but it also sucks to see folks close to me .. quitting on Daygame cuz

They can't digest rejection .
They want to play it safe .

And imposing all of it on me ...

 

[DarkKnight]

They can't digest rejection .
They want to play it safe .

And imposing all of it on me ...

`Don't talk to them about it, and just do your own thing. Nobody is imposing anything on you, perhaps verbally but whatever. Everyone here experiences these comments of naysayers and whatnot. It is up to you to disregard it.

 

[Bismarck]

Complete hogwash. It's exactly the opposite.

Ultimately what leads to success with the hottest girls is mastery over your internal self-doubt programs.

If you approach enough in DG you'll stumble upon the hottest gals, without makeup, heels, lipstick, or any other adornment designed to increase a girl's SMV. You'll see them out in the wild as God made them, without their sisterhood, alone.

 

[Will_V]

I have been hearing this from some folks recently .

One of them was someone whom I introduced to cold approach and pickup ... But cuz he didn't do much in the game ... But kept on living in social circle like a normal dude ... Now he is giving me lectures cuz he has recently got a girlfriend ... And how I have never had any serious relationship .

And also how that GIRLS YOU WILL GET IN SOCIAL CIRCLE >>> GIRLS YOU WILL GET VIA COLD APPROACH.

Another guy ... Similar story ....

There was also a different guy who had been gaming for roughly 10 years on and off . He basically said the same story that you can only get 6 , 7 s from cold approach .

I know that it's all just a limiting belief .

But , the thing is lot of folks shit on us ( daygamers ) .

And also the fact that in pickup circles , cold approach is the best way to meet women.

And this is also a fact that there are good number of puas who end up quitting due to not getting results .

What can I say ... This field is really hard and weeds a lot of men out .

Only the ones who keep on improving , innovating , improvising .... Will get what they want .

Best to focus on your own journey, seduction in general is not for the masses and never will be. Cold approach is the most difficult kind, and anything that's difficult creates a group of vocal dissidents who want to make it sound like no one can do it.

 

[Spyce D]

Ultimately what leads to success with the hottest girls is mastery over your internal self-doubt programs.

Damn .

That's always been my gut feeling. Thanks for confirming that .

With less attractive chicks , I find it easier to assume attraction .

My thoughts whenever I am with less attractive chicks are " I am the prize " " she will feel sad breaking up with me " " she might get clingy after sex " .... And it happens naturally .

This doesn't happen when I am with attractive chicks .

So , currently Working on it with attractive chicks too ...

 

[DarkKnight]

This doesn't happen when I am with attractive chicks .

So , currently Working on it with attractive chicks too ...

Okay but I do not believe this is only internal work, you also need real life success to condition yourself to believe these things. And yes it is a bit of a grind. What I do is I always cycle multiple venues which are great for meeting women. Especially when there are regulars these start to feed me social momentum, female staff as well and when I start my day like that cold approaching and feeling entitled becomes incredibly easy. Because I create abundance wherever I go, so "mindset" is one side of of the coin but it is also a lot of coping through the day which is a bit against law of least effort. You will feel mentally strained. Trust me I know because after fucking covid I needed to rebuild my formula . Basically right now wherever I go I make girls feed me positive conditioning, which carries over to new encounters.

Also about the guys who try to dissuade you from daygame : they are not even that sure. A pal of mine made a similar comment dissuading me from daygame, but I heard in his voice that it is not with that much conviction but rather pinging what my stance was, basically he wants to know if he is missing out (he is) because he barely leaves his house and only goes to social events which is heavy cope

 

[Marty]

This doesn't happen when I am with attractive chicks .

So , currently Working on it with attractive chicks too ...

Why Do Guys Screw Up When the Girl Is Really Hot?

 

[Chase]

One of them was someone whom I introduced to cold approach and pickup ... But cuz he didn't do much in the game ... But kept on living in social circle like a normal dude ... Now he is giving me lectures cuz he has recently got a girlfriend ... And how I have never had any serious relationship .

And also how that GIRLS YOU WILL GET IN SOCIAL CIRCLE >>> GIRLS YOU WILL GET VIA COLD APPROACH.

Nice.

This dude must be bangin' total 10s.

Probably has a social circle full of 10s.

He's all like "Ayo, @Spyce D, you gots ta get a circle full of total 10s like me. Then draw your GF from that pool of 10s. Easy street!"

And you're all like "Dude, hook me up with one of your 10s!"

And he's like "You must build a circle full'a 10s of your own, young Padawan."

Another guy ... Similar story ....

There was also a different guy who had been gaming for roughly 10 years on and off . He basically said the same story that you can only get 6 , 7 s from cold approach .

Says a lot more about Mr. "10 Years in the Game" than anything else.

If he'd ever gotten any good, it would not have been "off and on"... or at least not "off, then onto some other strategy, then on again, but actually my other strategies work better than this."

Dude, let me tell you straight up:

If you hang around with normies, you're gonna get normie perspectives.

Just unavoidable.

• Normie career advice: "You've got to work hard at a 9-to-5 your whole life while saving a little bit at a time so you can finally retire and enjoy life in your late 60s."
  
  
• Normie investing advice: "A single family home is the best investment you'll ever make!"
  
  
• Normie dating advice: "You've got to get to know girls slowly over time. Show them your good side. That's how you really win 'em over."

Best thing to do is thank 'em for the advice, then go seek out people who get the results you're actually looking for yourself.

Unless you like your normie friends' results just fine.

In which case, do as they do.

I know that it's all just a limiting belief .

But , the thing is lot of folks shit on us ( daygamers ) .

And also the fact that in pickup circles , cold approach is the best way to meet women.

And this is also a fact that there are good number of puas who end up quitting due to not getting results .

What can I say ... This field is really hard and weeds a lot of men out .

Only the ones who keep on improving , innovating , improvising .... Will get what they want .

As @Will_V notes... hard fields have a lot of dropouts. Many of those dropouts get bitter about never making the cut.

But beyond that... "get to know her over time and let her see your good side" is the slow path that is still semi-guaranteed to get most guys a relationship with an acceptable-ish chick SOONER or later.

It takes very little game. A guy can even be downright inept with women. So long as he hangs around women long enough, sooner or later one of them will usually offer a relationship to him. Then he's got a girlfriend.

Cold approach is putting yourself in front of a woman who does not know you at all, and making a STRONG impression on her, FAST, that makes her at the least intrigued about seeing you again later. Then continuing to make quick, strong impressions and on-point moves to maneuver things forward before she changes her mind.

This is a dedicated skill set that, just like in-person sales, a lot of guys shrink back in fear from even just thinking about... many other guys try it out but can never get to being more than mediocre; their egos get in the way and they refuse to do what it would take to get good... meanwhile a smaller number of guys hustle their asses off, fixate on it, obsess over it, and become highly successful. Then there are also guys who just have the right configuration of personality traits and attractive qualities that they stumble into it and start getting success right away... but that's not most guys.

You've got the naturals, and you've got the hustlers.

Everyone else ends up somewhere in the middle.

Mid-tier PUAs. Or they drop out and become mid at social circle.

Also worth noting that different styles of game really suit different personalities better.

A guy who really likes hanging out with familiar people, shooting the breeze, having his crew around him, who isn't really bothered by not being able to talk to hotties he doesn't know -- that's a guy for whom cold approach just doesn't offer benefits that outweigh the costs as far as he's concerned, but meanwhile for him social circle is fun.

A guy who wants the freedom to chat up whatever woman he sees and likes the look of whether he knows her or not, who does not want to be tied to the women in just one or two circles, who isn't intimidated at the idea of learning to make strong first impressions but actually finds that idea exciting, who doesn't have a strong need to hang out with known people all the time and get constant social support and that sense of fitting in and belonging -- that's a guy who will be interested in the idea behind cold approach, and might stay at it long enough to get pretty good.

Chase

 

[Tim Iron]

I prefer pulling those so-called "less attractive chicks" with cold approach than enduring the annoyances and unnecessary headaches of social circle game.

 

[SexualHero]

It takes very little game. A guy can even be downright inept with women. So long as he hangs around women long enough, sooner or later one of them will usually offer a relationship to him. Then he's got a girlfriend.

Great advice as always Chase, but I wanted to comment on this part. Doesn't usually work like that. You can't be completely inept, you do have to have some basics down, like at least escalate on your 10th date don't miss escalation window after escalation window, stuff like that. Girls don't usually offer a relationship. If you are not capable of showing your interest, she will just move on, no matter how interested she was. Completely inept guy would have to be really luck to find a woman who is interested and very confident, so she takes care of what is basically his job as a man.

On topic, like most people said, its complete opposite, you can pull some of the hottest women from daygame. Certainly easier then on dating app, for example.

 

[Marty]

You can't be completely inept, you do have to have some basics down, like at least escalate on your 10th date don't miss escalation window after escalation window, stuff like that. Girls don't usually offer a relationship.

In my experience, this is entirely untrue. Practically everyone I knew from my school/college days ended up with a wife somehow—even those who had shown no discernible interest in women. If a man had any positive quality at all—athletic ability, intellect, good looks, musicianship—some woman or other would regard him as a ‘catch’ and snap him up. Of course, that’s not to say he had his pick of women, nor was he necessarily in a satisfying relationship: many had a bossy wives who pushed them around. But I have to say I agree with Chase’s comment here. See for example this description of a reunion with one of my contemporaries.

 

[SexualHero]

In my experience, this is entirely untrue. Practically everyone I knew from my school/college days ended up with a wife somehow—even those who had shown no discernible interest in women. If a man had any positive quality at all—athletic ability, intellect, good looks, musicianship—some woman or other would regard him as a ‘catch’ and snap him up. Of course, that’s not to say he had his pick of women, nor was he necessarily in a satisfying relationship: many had a bossy wives who pushed them around. But I have to say I agree with Chase’s comment here. See for example this description of a reunion with one of my contemporaries.

Sure most men do get at least some clue and little balls as they grow older even without help of seduction material, so they do end up with a wife. But what I was getting at is that ones that don't are usually alone and sexless ( barring prostitutes ), even if they do have positive qualities, otherwise there wouldn't be incels, mgtow and stuff like that.

 

[Will_V]

Sure most men do get at least some clue and little balls as they grow older even without help of seduction material, so they do end up with a wife. But what I was getting at is that ones that don't are usually alone and sexless ( barring prostitutes ), even if they do have positive qualities, otherwise there wouldn't be incels, mgtow and stuff like that.

I mean, if a guy doesn't have some clue and a little balls, as you put it, then of course it's going to be very difficult. Otherwise what is the point of being a man at all?

But I would differ a little bit - I think the guys who end up married despite never learning how to deal with women end up there not because of any balls, but because they fit into a secure position in society at some level, which makes them reliable as an option to start a family with. They can be relied on to organize the family affairs, pay for diapers etc, so for some women with limited reproductive options, they are sufficient.

The guys who are really in the dumps are the ones who cannot fit into society well at all, at any level, with any consistency - perhaps because they are psychologically disfunctional in some way - and who don't know how to seduce. They are neither reliable nor exciting and are of little utility to women or society, which means that either they will have to learn to master themselves, control their emotions, and teach themselves the skills they need, or life will be exceedingly difficult.

This is just the way life is. We grew up in tribes where everyone had to pull their weight if everyone was going to survive. Just because the modern society can sustain people who cannot do that doesn't change the psychosocial factors at play.

 

[SexualHero]

@Will_V

I was basically talking about what we call in community "hardcases". There are lots of these kind of men outside community. It is not enough just to be sufficient and reliable to start the family for these guys. I know few guys who are normal in every way, they most certainly fit in the society - they have friends, good job etc. They were actually pursued by women for exact reasons you mentioned. They are still alone in their 30s some even pushing 40s. So what happened with those women who pursued them ? Its not that guys weren't interested, its that they are just so scared and clueless, and women thought they aren't interested in them, so they moved on.

We have few members like this on board. For example raiden. I remember reading few of his "disastrous" field reports. That's how he named it, anyway. You open the thread and see nothing disastrous inside, in fact you see what is normal date and in some cases women were interested. But he always goes home with his dick in his hand. Why ? Because of his complete lack of basic stuff like escalation, flirting etc. A lot of people were helping, Chase even wrote an article about him. I am not sure if he still have or have not solved his issues.

So now imaging if you will, what kind of chance do these guys have without all the help raiden was getting ?

 

[Will_V]

@Will_V

I was basically talking about what we call in community "hardcases". There are lots of these kind of men outside community. It is not enough just to be sufficient and reliable to start the family for these guys. I know few guys who are normal in every way, they most certainly fit in the society - they have friends, good job etc. They were actually pursued by women for exact reasons you mentioned. They are still alone in their 30s some even pushing 40s. So what happened with those women who pursued them ? Its not that guys weren't interested, its that they are just so scared and clueless, and women thought they aren't interested in them, so they moved on.

We have few members like this on board. For example raiden. I remember reading few of his "disastrous" field reports. That's how he named it, anyway. You open the thread and see nothing disastrous inside, in fact you see what is normal date and in some cases women were interested. But he always goes home with his dick in his hand. Why ? Because of his complete lack of basic stuff like escalation, flirting etc. A lot of people were helping, Chase even wrote an article about him. I am not sure if he still have or have not solved his issues.

So now imaging if you will, what kind of chance do these guys have without all the help raiden was getting ?

Yeah I agree with your point that these hard case guys need plenty of help, I think we are probably just differing in how we define 'inept'. I know guys who are completely inept in the sense that they have no seductive capability, but they are still social, likeable guys and do get married, though usually the marriage ends up quite matriarchal. Like my father likes to say they are 'just another son'.

It seems to me that the guys who are actually hard cases are some combination of:

- Autistic
- Have emotional problems/traumas
- Have a big ego based on something unrelated to women, and find it very difficult to accept that women don't value it
- Have always believed they can get very high quality women, but never put it to the test and can't face the reality - ego problems again

In these cases the dude may well have issues getting a woman at all, either by missing obvious cues or by self-sabotaging.

A lot of red pill guys I believe are not autistic but their egos have driven them to be bitter and resentful, and women can't stand to be around that kind of vibe.