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Your Self-Presentation is Paramount; Get Women Noticing YOU

RodeoRyan

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Before I get into the meat of this post, I guess I'll just cut to the chase (no pun intended). Last night I was out with the guys playing some pub trivia at a popular bar on Main St. When I came back from using the restroom shortly after the trivia game had ended, as people were filing out, my friends handed me a note and told me, "The girl who was sitting at the table over there left this here and told us to give it to you." The slip read, "You're cute! :) xxx-xxx-xxxx -Sam"

As I walked home, I pondered, "Why me? This never happens to me... But there's GOT to be an explanation! I must have done something right. What was it?" This led me to think deeply about how this must have happened to me... So I went home and jotted a few ideas down, and it all led back to one thing: ALWAYS paying attention to your self-presentation. (NOTE: if you're only interested in what I mean by self-presentation, skip the next 2 paragraphs)

If you're like me when I first started learning seduction a year ago (coinciding with when I began reading GC), you probably read a lot of the "How to ..." articles. And after each one you read, you thought to yourself, "Wow! This is great stuff. Time to read another one." But you eventually found yourself with an overload of great pick-up information but no girls to whom you could apply these newly "learned" skills. Then you realized the biggest obstacle between you and these girls was your mind. You were mentally building up any possible interaction, then fumbling or backing out when the time came, probably thinking to yourself, "What if she doesn't like me? What if she's not attracted to me? What makes me different from any other guy?"

This is where I was just one year ago. So how did I get past my mental block? Well, first, I realized that my brain only means well. It's simply looking out for what it thinks is best for me. It doesn't want me to get turned down, rejected or hurt, so it tries to avoid this all together by overriding your emotional senses and trying to get you to think logically and protect yourself. Then I thought, "Well, there are many other situations where my brain does this too, but I easily override it. Why can't I do the same with girls?" For example, your brain tells you that you shouldn't eat that Bic Mac meal because it's not healthy for you, but you do it anyway; it tells you not to speed because you might get a ticket, but you drive over the speed limit anyway. It's no different with girls. Your brain means best, but you have to simply learn to override it.

Now what does all that mumbo jumbo have to do with why that girl gave me her number? Well, once I was able to overcome approach anxiety, I began approaching girls left and right. I was becoming a great conversationalist. I was deep diving. I was chase framing. And results were really beginning to improve. But something seemed like it was still missing. I was left with the feeling that I still wasn't completely separating myself from "regular guys," based on my results. What was missing? It was then that I learned what I believe to be one of the most important things in seduction, which actually comes even before the approach: your self-presentation.

I used to have really long, scrappy hair and a long, ungroomed beard. I never dressed nice, at all. Somewhat baggy jeans, tennis shoes and a basic polo was dressing up in my mind. I put on deodorant probably once every 3 days and showered maybe 5 days a week. Brushing my teeth wasn't always a priority. You get the point. But when I realized the importance of self-presentation a few months ago, all of this changed.

Why did she feel the need to give me her number? It all boils down to several things to which I've been paying close attention in the past few months. So last night I sat down and jotted down everything I lump together in what I've dubbed "self-presentation":

  • Whenever you leave your house, dress nice. ALWAYS. Even if you're just going to the store real quickly to grab something. Always dressing nice will eventually become natural for you, and you will enjoy looking better than everyone else, everywhere you go. Your confidence will soar. Instead of spending that next paycheck on a new TV, consider taking a trip to the mall and upgrading your generic wardrobe.
  • Maintain your hygiene. ALWAYS. That includes brushing your teeth/having fresh breath, keeping your facial hair groomed (whether you shave clean or have a trimmed beard), showering regularly, using facial wash regularly, and even using lotion if you have dry skin. You'll find that eventually, you'll feel weird going out anywhere without first making sure your beard looks nice, for example. Again, something most guys don't do.
  • The way you smell is powerful. This is a simple one. Just don't over do it, please! (I want to tell that to sooo many people who ride the bus every day. "Dude, go easy on the Axe Spray!")
  • Find a hairstyle that works for you, and do it. EVERY DAY. Spending those few extra dollars to go to a nicer salon is worth it. Also, I've found that I prefer guys to cut my hair over girls these days. And remember, to keep a schedule. Don't let it grow out for too long...
  • Workout. Muscle tone is great. Obviously having muscle tone will set you apart. But it also makes you feel better about yourself. If you're skinny like me, dismiss the thought that you need big muscles. Notice I said muscle tone is important here, which is attainable for anybody. If you're further like me and the idea of lifting weights and having a gym membership just doesn't intrigue you much, consider at-home workout programs like BeachBody's Insanity - which I'm currently doing and highly recommend.
  • Your facial expressions/body language say a lot about you. Most guys have a pretty stoic facial expression, walk fast with no grace or swagger and have terrible posture. Imagine if the Victoria's Secret girls walked on the runway with a flat facial expression, didn't sway their hips and slouched as they walked. Nobody would watch because half their sex appeal would be gone. Work on slowing yourself down, loosening up your facial muscles and paying more attention to your posture. Watch yourself in the mirror, record some of your conversations on your phone, etc. Eventually having a sexy look on your face and a sexy walk/voice will become second nature. Chase also talks a lot about this.

You've probably heard the whole "always dress nice" or "always be sexy" stuff before. But last night I finally realized, there's more to your self-presentation than just looking nice or always being sexy. Really, they are all good advice; I just feel like they are all equally important, but doing just one at a time isn't enough, which is why I have grouped them all together in the term "self-presentation."

For me, I gradually shifted into the paradigm that maintaining your self-presentation was paramount. I didn't do it all at once. But slowly, I began to enjoy taking care of my body and looking good. These days I make it a priority. I schedule time into my day, each day, that's only assigned to making sure I've prepped myself such that I will present myself in a way that will make women really notice. If you start paying more attention to all of these small details, girls will notice, and it really turns them on.

And the best part? This requires absolutely NO "GAME" whatsoever. Just a little dedication. Heck, maybe you'll get women to start approaching YOU, and even handing out their numbers.

~ Cheers
 

mrmoose

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Re: Your Self-Presentation is Paramount; Get Women Noticing

Good post, you seem to have internalized the lessons and taken it to the next level. I agree with your last thought, when it comes together it should start getting you a lot of attention.
 

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Re: Your Self-Presentation is Paramount; Get Women Noticing

Your brain means best, but you have to simply learn to override it.

Could you elaborate more on this? This is my biggest problem right now and I'd like to hear how you overrode it, not Chase's article (I've read that and it helps, but it is always great to get another perspective.)
 
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Re: Your Self-Presentation is Paramount; Get Women Noticing

Nice post. I definitely related with your post as i had also faced such mental blocks coincidently before one year. When found this site i was just 15 so this site really came as a boon.
And yes you are definitely correct. It doesnt matter whether you are a skinny guy or a muscle bound guy. All it matters is how you present yourself.
 

RodeoRyan

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Re: Your Self-Presentation is Paramount; Get Women Noticing

cccrunner said:
Your brain means best, but you have to simply learn to override it.

Could you elaborate more on this?

cccrunner,

I think one of the most important factors for me was really self-confidence. Once I started improving my self-presentation, I started feeling a new version of confidence I hadn't felt before. If you haven't already, start there. Your confidence will skyrocket, I'm telling you.

I also talked to a lot of my female friends about guys approaching girls, to get their perspective. And I got virtually the same response from all of them. It went something like, "As long as you're not that SUPER creepy, drunk guy, no girl will turn you down from a conversation." Furthermore, they went on to say, "What you open with doesn't really matter. All that's important is that you have the confidence to even talk to the girl. Girls respond well to that. They know you're interested because of the fact that you're simply talking to them." So if the key is just talking to them, then I realized it didn't matter what I said, but rather the fact that I just said something. Just be pleasant and warm and you'll be received well, which is why I stress your self-presentation. It helps significantly!

Finally, I really do think you have to be willing to get it absolutely wrong at first; and then laugh about it. In fact, in the VERY beginning you kinda have to adopt the mindset of, "Ok, I'm going over there to talk to that girl. If she blows me off or rejects me, or I get to a point where I don't know what to do/say next, I'll just tell her it was nice talking to her and walk away." And then you laugh about it later. You tell yourself, "Haha, wasn't that great! I was a little silly huh? Oh well. Now I know what I need to work on." And you do it again, and again. Just remember that once you do START talking to them, you should have strong conversationalist skills if you want to keep the conversation moving in a good direction, which can only be built from lots of practice.

And just to give an example, I remember one of the first times I ever approached after starting to read GirlsChase there were 2 girls sitting at a table in a bar. I just said f**k it, I'm going over there and saying something. I sat down next to them and said, "So where are you from?" It was the first thing that came to my mind. haha We talked for maybe 30-45 minutes, I ended up getting their numbers, and now I regularly ride horses and go out with these girls. While I didn't make either of these girls my lover, in the end, everything that came of the situation was positive! And this was my FIRST approach! Imagine where I am now! So start NOW, not later...

Soon enough, NOT approaching women will make you sick to your stomach.

Hope that helps any other beginners out there.

~ Cheers
 

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Re: Your Self-Presentation is Paramount; Get Women Noticing

Thanks man that is good stuff. I've been reading Chase's stuff for about a year now and it has definitely helped me, but I feel like while I know what to do, it is tough just doing it. Its frustrating how I can be so "book smart" and be so bad in practice. But I just need to start approaching people and hopefully I can be just as good in practice.
 

RodeoRyan

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Re: Your Self-Presentation is Paramount; Get Women Noticing

Actually, when I was first beginning, I found that really good practice/warm ups were talking to people serving me at restaurants. Anything from the girl behind the counter at the local sandwich shop, to your waitress at a nice sit-down restaurant. Just simple stuff to get the convo going like "So has it been a rough day?" or "Seems pretty slow tonight huh?"

That ought to help you start to get over the approach anxiety. You'll realize how EASY it can be to spark up a random conversation with a stranger. Even better, if you become a regular at these restaurants, and really get to know the people who work there, you get start getting the hook ups.

For example, I frequent a wing place where I live and pretty much everybody knows me there now (due to the fact that I'll chat up just about anybody these days), including the 3 managers. One of the girls behind the counter even asked ME for MY number once.

So really, you can practice anywhere and every where; not just with girls you're interested in. That's something a lot of people probably don't realize.

Next time your somewhere where somebody is providing a service to you, try chatting them up, getting their name and introducing yourself. You'll see how easy it really is.

~ Cheers
 

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Re: Your Self-Presentation is Paramount; Get Women Noticing

cccrunner said:
Your brain means best, but you have to simply learn to override it.

Could you elaborate more on this? This is my biggest problem right now and I'd like to hear how you overrode it, not Chase's article (I've read that and it helps, but it is always great to get another perspective.)
I would like to suggest that our brains are generally LAZY - they would rather not bother with doing something new/changing what its doing (unless its beneficial in the short term) - you need to realise this and force it to ACT - best way to do this is to say to yourself - I'll just do 5/10mins of whatever it is I need to do (dress well/work out/work) and then I can always have a deserved break after. Then usually once you;ve started -ACTED - you will find your brain happily carries on ACTING - doing the same thing - just keep trying to jump start in this way and it will work

also I couldn't agree more with the topic of this post - it is a lot of work but just keep at it gradually and in small chunks its not bad at all - I would argue that doing gym properly though is worth it - I know anyone can build a good body - lets not have any defeatist "I'm not that type" there is always a way - and often home workouts (unless you have some weights) are usually limited
 

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Re: Your Self-Presentation is Paramount; Get Women Noticing

girlsfollow said:
...and often home workouts (unless you have some weights) are usually limited

I agree that home workouts can be limited, especially without any weights.

The thing is, if you're very thin boned and skinny like me (and also in terrible cardio-shape due to being terribly lazy in my past), starting right away with lifting weights probably isn't best. I figured, the better road for me was to get into solid cardio-shape first, build a solid foundation first, then transition into lifting. I don't plan to end Insanity after 60 days and quit all fitness. That's only the beginning.

Also, a disciplined/smart diet and sleep schedule are necessary. So there is more than one factor here, for sure.
 

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Re: Your Self-Presentation is Paramount; Get Women Noticing

RodeoRyan said:
girlsfollow said:
...and often home workouts (unless you have some weights) are usually limited

I agree that home workouts can be limited, especially without any weights.

The thing is, if you're very thin boned and skinny like me (and also in terrible cardio-shape due to being terribly lazy in my past), starting right away with lifting weights probably isn't best. I figured, the better road for me was to get into solid cardio-shape first, build a solid foundation first, then transition into lifting. I don't plan to end Insanity after 60 days and quit all fitness. That's only the beginning.

Also, a disciplined/smart diet and sleep schedule are necessary. So there is more than one factor here, for sure.
I am the tall ectomorph type and was skinny and I have managed to move quite a long way towards a good body (its been noticed by people/friends/girls etc) and its improving weekly. Of course the diet and discipline are even more important, but if you are that type then I would argue gym is more relevant to us - we need to do heavy weights to put on weight - you might be wasting your time with the body weight stuff - our type won't put on muscle that way. I would say do it for a month to get your body prepared but anything past that you need to be taking it more seriously to see significant improvement.
 

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girlsfollow said:
I would say do it for a month to get your body prepared but anything past that you need to be taking it more seriously to see significant improvement.

Good advice. I will give it a shot then. It's nice to hear how well lifting weights has helped somebody who probably has a similar frame as me.

And I bet it's great to hear from people who notice the difference.

~ Cheers
 

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Re: Your Self-Presentation is Paramount; Get Women Noticing

I'm definitely not against going to a gym, it is the best option. Home workouts can be really good though. Weighted dips, pullups, pushups, diamond pushups, body weight squats, that is all stuff that can be really good. I've seen some home gym stuff where the guy was using milk jugs for shoulder work, it was a brutal looking workout lol. Dressing to show it off is a big deal too imo.
 
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