Youtube dating gurus glorify phone numbers! Is it effective to just get nºs?

[razir110]

Hi all.

Check this video out, it's from The Attractive Man channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmEwdDJqM18

Essentially the guy starts a conversation with the girl, opens really well then talks about superficial stuff for 2 mins, asks for her number, which he gets and leaves. Then he says it was simple and you can do it too...

..ermm yes of course you can do it, but as we at GC community know, phone numbers mean nothing! He didn't create a connection with her, they know nothing about each other. Plus he asked an interview questions there (Tell me a cool thing about you), could be a deal breaker, especially in such a quick approach.

So do you guys ever do this? Like a quick entry, quick talk, get number and then try to get a date over text? Does it work?.. Or you will mostly get brushoffs?.. Because my approach is a per Chase: build connection, SCHEDULE THE DATE, THEN ask for number, etc etc.

I am really interested to know if GC approach of setting the date before asking for number is just over-complicating things or if it's the actual way to go, period.

There are countless channels that show guys approaching and getting numbers. But what I really want to know is, did he sleep with her or not? Because, well as I said, phone numbers mean nothing. Or do they?..

Best!

 

[radeng]

Razir,

One of my strengths in dating and game in general is getting dates from numbers. I didn’t watch the video but from my experience 2-5 min of get to know you conversation, a couple of jokes/teases thrown in is all I’ve ever needed. I will tell you from experience and lots of testing the reason I have a low flake rate is directly because I ask for the date and not the number. Now I don’t go as far as actually scheduling the date in person, I schedule over text. But every time I get a number, I ask for the date and not the number. Usually I say, “I have to run, but you seem cool, would you be interested in continuing this conversation over drinks/coffee/food in the next week?” - when you ask this question you have to ask it in a strong and serious way. It can’t be said meekly she needs to know your serious. Don’t let her give you a half ass answer either, make her give you a hard yes or no. Then simply hand her your phone and say “ok cool, I’ll text you and we’ll get it set up!” If you do that you will turn most of your numbers into dates.

It’s true numberss mean nothing by themselves, but there’s nothing wrong with a dating strategy that revolves around getting numbers and setting up dates.

Tldr it’s very important to ask for date when getting number and numbers aren’t a big deal but getting a lot of dates can keep you busy and get you laid a lot.

Cheers,
Radeng

Edit: watched the video. Felt like it was solid but he could have asked her just a couple more questions and asking for the date before getting the number will make that number much less flakey. Otherwise his body language and tonality were great in my opinion.

 

[razir110]

radeng,

but since you are talking to her about the date, then why net set it right there? You would get a good idea if she is busy/free and interested or not right?

Or would you say that scheduling right there puts pressure on her and doesn't give her time to think and you may get a rejection?.. Again it's nice to not let her think too much is it?..

Perhaps it's a good idea to do the quick thing if you see there is no way to get those 10 mins to talk to her to deep dive a bit, etc, so you can ask her out right there?

My way to see the approach is to manage to actually get to know each other a bit, so a little attraction appears and you ask her out in a totally natural way, as the outcome of your interaction.

Thoughts?

 

[radeng]

Razir,

In my own experience, 2-5 min phone numbers are the least flakey. When a conversation goes more than 10 minutes I find the numbers to be more flakey not less. You don’t need to build a connection right on the spot, you just need to get her intrigued about seeing you again. I think this may be different for different guys I know for me a lot of my number grabs are similar to the video you posted except I ask for date.

Personally I think scheduling the date then and there is fine too but I’ve never done it. I’ve simply never had to but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. I have a “text system” that revolves around setting up the date over text.

The important part is getting her to seriously agree to the date right then and there.thats what I believe makes things less flakey. You’re more likely to do something for someone if you’ve verbally agreed to it already.. how you want to schedule is up to you and less important imo. Do what you feel is best there.

Cheers.
Radeng

 

[Space]

razir110,

Here I have to halfway derail your thread. Feel free to take it back!

Seriously guys,

Why don't you read this great texting guide? How to Text a Girl: A Girls Chase Guide

It's written by a trusted author. The pricing is great: free with Amazon Prime. It's just 164 pages long. Seriously, is it me who have to peddle it to you?

I personally have a very good reason why I don't read a free, albeit supposedly great, 164-page ebook on everything to know about texting girls right now. My personal reason is that most of my main challenges to solve in life right here right now, as it seems, completely fall out the scope of the expertise offered on this site. This is not a complaint of course, I can solve my issues. It's just a factual observation. But my question is, why don't you read it?

By the way here I'm also completely open to read the CliffsNotes version of the greatest guide on texting girls. That is, something about 30 pages long, containing 80% of the wisdom contained in the above tome.

In general, I've noticed this forum is dense on personal reports, not so on solid theory. I personally don't take much away from personal stories and reports, I like some quick, but solid theory and I would fill in the gaps myself. Ideally, the CliffsNotes version of the best theory. I feel perfectly adequate to fill in the gaps. At least, it works better for my learning style than adapting one's personal situation, story, and cultural code to mine.

Similarly, I don't have the time in my life to read Chase Amante's How to Make Girls Chase ebook on 400 pages of PDF (on my computer screen), at least right now. (Never say never, though!) But here I'd also be totally willing to invest the time into the CliffsNotes version of said ebook, and be the guinea pig to test the concepts and fine tune it to my geographic location.

I had the impression that Chase's main free offering is the 7-day mini course, but no one seems to care about fixing that.

 

[ProblemSolving]

Great responses by radeng as usual.

..ermm yes of course you can do it, but as we at GC community know, phone numbers mean nothing!

Correct, phone numbers will usually lead to dead ends especially when the girl has not been screened.

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He didn't create a connection with her, they know nothing about each other. Plus he asked an interview questions there (Tell me a cool thing about you), could be a deal breaker, especially in such a quick approach.

None of this matters. I pretty much ask nothing but interview questions and get numbers AND DATES from 1-5 minutes of conversation. I've also experimented with longer conversations while building a "connection" and had the same if not worse results.

The reason for this is simple: your words mean very little in the grand scheme of things. What matters is that the girl is sexually available (ie: looking to meet a new guy), and that she is physically attracted to you. She will know this within the first 10 seconds of conversation. With enough experience YOU will know this within the first 10 seconds of conversation.

I have to agree with Chase and radeng about asking for the date first before asking for the number. This is to help screen out the time-wasters from the girls that are serious about meeting up. You will get fewer numbers this way, but the ones that do give you their number will be more likely to meet up. If you don't get an immediate "yes" or "sure" when you ask them out, gracefully bow out.

You can even take it one step further to help screen out even more time-wasters by asking them if they are single before asking for the number. This cuts through all the bullshit and gives them an easy out if they are not sexually available or interested.