Money. Is it powerful?

Two quotes, but might be contradictory.

First quote:
https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/when-a-girl-makes-more-money-than-you.11255/#post-56233

Chase said:

To go further with the above example and how this is a different (and more realistic) kind of manhood: you meet her boss, discover he likes fishing, and slap him on the back and the two of you are best buddies and now you’re heading out on the lake next Sunday together. That’s a kind of power she respects that you hold, and in a way this is a greater power than money. In heavy times where societies become tumultuous, people can bring wheelbarrows of money to get what they want and still not get it, but the guy who has pull with people can. Money is a temporary good, and women are acutely aware of this (and more aware of it than men typically are).

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Second quote
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Chase said:

Even in ancient times, during times of civil breakdown, you'd still have weatlh retained in things like precious metals -- and the Barbarians who lived outside civilization eagerly invaded to pillage and rapine and make off with the declining civilization's wealth.

Wealth is a store of power and resources. And all men seek these, to some extent or other (including the men who claim they don't -- sometimes especially the men who claim they don't).

That aspect of existence you will never get away from, outside of going and living in the mountains or woods alone.

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I tend to find these types of things and ask them, so just incase, not an attack!

The first quote says money is not powerful, the second quote says money is a store of power. Is money powerful?

Rain,

I need to know where you are looking at this topic, from?

- your phase of life/your age
- where you are today (job, relations with people, limitations

TLDR: Access to do things. You are looking at money at surface level. It's just a piece of paper, at surface level. That perception is part of the manipulation because there can only be so many CEOs in the world.

z@c+

Money is one source of power, not the only one.

And I think the main focus on this site, which is a dating site, is to debunk the belief that most men have that being rich will get them laid. Same as some believe being ripped is all you need to get laid.

I don't see much contradictions in the two quotes. "...and in a way, this is a greater power than money" does not mean money is not powerful. The thing to gather here is that our modern civilization, there are different sources of power, money being one of them. The ability to connect with respected authorities and get what you want sometimes gives you a power that money won't ever get you.

To recap, money is powerful and its relative power will depend in which situation you are in. If you live on an isolated island where everyone is poor and you're overloaded with cash, can get what you want, the best food, best shelter, best health care, best survival prospect, you're probably gonna be the most influential person there, hence most powerful.

In contrast, living in our current civilization where most people you meet make enough money to sustain themselves, having much more money won't be of much help. But being able to others' resources thanks to your ability to connect and influence might make you overall more powerful than the guy with the fat bank account.

Money is power. Not the only one though.

@Rain,

Money's conditionally powerful.

If you're able to use it to get what you want, it can help you appear powerful.

However, if you can't, you may look weak.

e.g., rich guy at the party trying to pick up on the hottie hostess in a skimpy outfit. Meanwhile the dead-broke barback is flirting with her every time she comes back for drinks, and anyway she's been crushing on him for months. Who's she going home with that night?

That rich guy looks like a douche if people know she's going home with the broke barback over him, especially when he was throwing cash around while trying to pick her up.

The best way to think about money IMO is as a tool and as a status symbol.

You can use it as either, both, or neither.

But there are nuances to using it right.

There was a thread on this forum a few months back by a guy talking about how his results have gone down a lot now that he's wealthier.

GC did relatively well for a few years (and now is back to "meh" again this year... thanks, lockdown!), and I started feeling pretty incongruous presenting myself as a starving artist type.

Eventually I figured out I could just say, "I've got my own little business. It does okay. I'm not like Bill Gates or anything though," and that about does the trick. Then when she probes, I'm a writer, and I've got other guys who write too, and that's basically it. Still an artist, without being totally fake and pretending I'm still broke.

I think the thing to understand about money is it is very much a case of "your mileage may vary."

Basically: what do you need it for?

Is it to meet women? Realize that while money is attractive to all women, it is much MORE attractive to CERTAIN women.

e.g., if you love the big fake tits, bottle blonde, lip-filler chicks, money is going to be VERY powerful for you. These girls specifically augment their secondary sex characteristics to appeal to men with augmented secondary sex characteristics: guys with big steroid muscles, guys with flashy Lamborghini private yacht lifestyles, etc.

On the other hand if you love down-to-Earth hippie chicks, or hard-driving career women, or backpacker girls, it's not going to work nearly as well. It may even be an anti-attainability turnoff ("Look at that shallow douche").

It can be an attractive bonus if you hit it off with one of these girls and she finds out 3 months into dating you that actually you have more money than you let on. Even then, she is just going to acclimate to it, and if you marry her you are still going to deal with keeping up with the Joneses nonsense. You raised her up into a higher socioeconomic class... and now she is comparing herself with all the other women in that class and wondering why some of their downtown condos are bigger or better positioned, and why their vehicles are newer and nicer.

I will say there's a certain monetary threshold for most girls where in an LTR so long as you have more money than her lower bound, you're okay. But if you're below it, she is going to give you endless amounts of shit, and it is just a continual stream of shit tests. Where that lower bound is varies quite a bit from girl to girl.

Keep in mind this lower bound tends to go up with time, as the husbands of the women around her age and make more money and the women she knows raise their lower bounds too.

Anyway... does this clarify things? Or make them more confusing still?

Kind of a very broad question in your OP, @Rain.

It is really just a case of "it depends" -- on what girl you want to use it for (or whatever else, if not using it for woman purposes), and in what situation.

Also, if we are talking non-woman stuff, such as political or economic power -- again, money is conditionally powerful. Lean startups with small budgets regularly unseat powerful, deep pocketed incumbents who can advertise endlessly. And extremely wealthy people often wield outsize political influence, but just as often lose it -- witness what happened to all the corrupt Russian billionaires Putin kicked out of Russia. They emigrated to the U.S. and have tirelessly financed anti-Russian politicians and media portrayals since the early 2000s, vainly hoping they can get the U.S. to effect a regime change in Russia so they can flood back in and reclaim what they lost. Or the similar situation in Cuba years ago, when Casto nationalized the mob's holdings there, or Weimar Germany when the Nazis did. Or all the corrupt Chinese millionaires and billionaires who fled the country with ill-gotten gains before the government could catch and punish them.

These folks all had lots and lots of money. But when the societies they were in put the vise on, they had to flee. Their money did not save them, even as some of the wealthiest people in their countries.

Money itself rarely lasts more than a few generations, too:



You know the old saying, "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations."

Women may not know this consciously, but they know it unconsciously.

Your wealth, if you have it, is only likely to trickle down 2 to 3 generations through the descendants she has with you.

But your genes, they'll be tied to hers for 10,000 generations if you're the one she mates with.

Thus why for most women, mating is a much more nuanced affair than, say, measuring the size of the guy's bank account, and shagging/marrying whichever guy's is biggest.

Chase

ZacAdam said:

TLDR: Access to do things. You are looking at money at surface level. It's just a piece of paper, at surface level. That perception is part of the manipulation because there can only be so many CEOs in the world.

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Too long didn't read? My OP was not long. The perception you mention, "access to do things", kinda like someone whos really social has access because they're cool and socialable, or someone with muscles can be a protector or intimidate, more access?

Chase said:

If you're able to use it to get what you want, it can help you appear powerful.

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Are there some examples of this?

Chase said:

There was a thread on this forum a few months back by a guy talking about how his results have gone down a lot now that he's wealthier.

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Was that YS that wrote that? I remember something about that and he would offer to buy drinks because he had money and felt like he was relying on that more than game iirc.

Chase said:

GC did relatively well for a few years (and now is back to "meh" again this year... thanks, lockdown!), and I started feeling pretty incongruous presenting myself as a starving artist type.

Eventually I figured out I could just say, "I've got my own little business. It does okay. I'm not like Bill Gates or anything though," and that about does the trick. Then when she probes, I'm a writer, and I've got other guys who write too, and that's basically it. Still an artist, without being totally fake and pretending I'm still broke.

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You're a writer, but iirc you also have 2 or 3 other businesses, what do those ones do?
I'm glad you wrote about how you approach it in explaining it to a woman in a relationship with you. So saying you have a little business that implies more rich and less broke. Hasn't affected your abilities with relationships and new women[you still do one sided monogamy right?]

Chase said:

And extremely wealthy people often wield outsize political influence, but just as often lose it -- witness what happened to all the corrupt Russian billionaires Putin kicked out of Russia. They emigrated to the U.S. and have tirelessly financed anti-Russian politicians and media portrayals since the early 2000s, vainly hoping they can get the U.S. to effect a regime change in Russia so they can flood back in and reclaim what they lost.

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In that case, they had political power after they went to the US? Did they have power before they were found out to be corrupt in Russia?

Chase said:

These folks all had lots and lots of money. But when the societies they were in put the vise on, they had to flee. Their money did not save them, even as some of the wealthiest people in their countries.

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That's because they were corrupt though. If they earned/inherited/won lotto it would be a different story, or would it still be who you know in times of famine? That might be another "it depends", many variables.

I know that you don't need a lot of money to get lots of young women, even in LTR the bar may not be that high for a lot of them. Yet. as you said in my OP, "all men seek these"[wealth is a store of power and resources] I still have a desire to make money yet for what purpose? But hangon..... you don't need it for women and if women are basically the reason why most men do anything..... doesn't add up eh? lol. On top of that, I'm a bit of a minimalist, again, why do I still seek money. Doesn't add up. It's.... there's motivation there but why.... ? I've got a casual job it pays bills. Even as a kid I recall something about my grandma/nana saying she does things for love and maybe I wanted money for chores or something, so maybe I've always been a bit of a 'seek money'.

Like you said it could be a human or man thing. Maybe for me, the more money I have, the more I don't have to get up and goto work. I can just do nothing all day[well, keep working on daygame and AA]. But is that the legit motivation, or is that just a coincidence. If you had that situation, would you want even more money after that? Rereading my reply reminded me of something, Jordan Peterson said for guys who makes lots of money its not about the money, its about keeping an eye on the fellow male competition, iirc. Maybe that's part of that "all men seek" that you mentioned, like a hardwiring possibly?

But something else I was just reminded of lol, another thing from him, an unpublished study asked women if they prefer a man with money, or a man who was useful. I forget the other choices if there were some. But most? women chose the man who was useful, because money can disappear. That's so weird how.... it contradicts that "seek desire" you talk about where men think money big deal but not necessarily the practical reality.

Have you seen the movie richie rich? There's a bit of a fear there, do not want to make too much money, you may not be able to relate to people who still work for example, or what if you lose friends or people take advantage.

Was there a thread here or another forum, some pua owned a coffee shop was it? And they seduced women[I think they were customers not workers but I don't recall exactly] and they'd take them upstairs and bed them sometimes. But.... they got found out and got into a lot of trouble. Why though? If they're just customers who cares?

If you had enough money, you could buy/build a coffee shop or a pub/club and if you own it. Thats some status and power. Where as if you win lotto/inheritance, or if you do some investing and/or stock trading and make money that way, yes you're making dollars but there's no.... there's no power behind it. You're not "the boss" of anyone else, like say in the cafe/club owner example you own it, you can fire people. There's also no status[but do all women care about status to a degree, even the normal down to earth nonfakeeyelashes ones?]. Where as, if youre working for yourself and it's just you in the stockmarket from home, would there be a way to make that powerful or not really, if I've explained it correctly?

Women want access to status/power even above money. So, I'm very successful at work, my name's not on the building but I'm the boss, everyone reports to me, I'm well paid. Young women know I'm successful/high-status because of the way I dress, talk, dominate a convo with them/others [if I choose to], discuss places I've traveled to, art & collectibles, where I take them, events on my IG, etc.
'A rich man doesn't need to tell you he's rich,' and so on.

I would say there's two dividing lines of wealth a women looks for, there's a bare minimum below which it is clearly harder to score/get access, and then there's the top 1-10% line wherever she draws it. If she thinks you're up there, it is definitely an advantage with most, not all, girls but it's merely a plus factor. I think of it like being tall, it helps at the edges but isn't nearly enough.

One paradox of dating is that if a hot woman even just thinks you're high status it makes her high status because *she picked you*. [He's an 8+ because I'm an 8+ doesn't have to be logical she's a woman after all] You want to make it easy for her to pick you. If wearing Hermes ties gets you in her door then do that. If it's talking about the orchestra/opera, do the same.

I will also say, from experience, that being a dominant/kinky man immediately puts you in the high-status/power category. Similar to above, you must be a powerful man if she's kneeling before you with your cock in her throat and a plug in her spanked ass within 2-7 hrs of meeting you.

Case study:
1) female friend of my GF is dating super rich guy;
2) super rich guy drinks a lot an is not dicking her well;
3) she sees me and my gf together and immediately realizes we are two horn dogs shagging at every opportunity;
4) she dumps rich guy after 2 weeks;

IMO, good dick trumps money all the way!
Buuuuut good dick depends on a baseline of money to provide you access to the cool shit (that's the catch)!