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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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An arranged date
Basically I had a scheme: Talk to everybody and incidentally talk with a few girls.
The plan worked well when I was out with my mom. I talked to one girl that way, and she was friendly.
Which was my average.

Anyways I’m back from vacation, and I’m ready to grind.

2
Chase frame got a good reaction
Me: Hello.
Girl: ?
Me: What’s your name?
Girl: What do you ask for?
Me: To know you
Girl: Know me for?
Me: To know an awesome person like me
Girl (laugh): I already knew a lot of awesome people.
3
Non verbal.
I held out my hand, and a “come here” gesture.
At least the girl smiled.
4
I got compliance right away, with some good lines.
My transition having problem though. I was always smooth up to the repartee phase (girls always laugh)
But my investment phase had problems. I’ll read a few articles on it.

So I get a new plan. Basically I was introduced to a girl. Though it is a party date. So the plan is going like thís:
- Compliance test
- Move the interaction forward
- Discretion
 

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The arranged date, aftermath
Discretion was a bit too far. When she touched my legs, under the table, I should reciprocate.
Because I should communicate that I’m discreet and sexual (discreet first, sexual second).

Compliance/investment was good. Good thing was that I got compliance right when I first met her.
Moving the interaction forward was good. No logistics, I must be discreet.

Other basics like positioning, pacing her reality (“this fish is good, isn’t it”), stacking compliance, oversell to get compliance (“this fish is good”), yes ladder, least effort, was good.
I didn’t use deep diving. Why? Because I didn’t expect her to spill her guts in front of people. She was playing her social mask.

Basically the plan worked well. Got the number and the date. Just need a few piece of puzzles, like the male authority.
Actually I had way too much fun (although I didn’t talk much). The arranged date, pros was that escalating compliance/investment was easy. Cons was escalating sexually was difficult.

My old friend invited me to the high school union.
I just want to stay hidden at home.
I'm scared because I have nothing to offer. Because I'm losing. Because I have lost all my accomplishment.
But if I go, I could gain something. A few friends, a few connections (for business).
So I'll go.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

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The unexpected gem at the music class
So I went to a music class to improve my voice.
Basically they told me to pick a song. I didn't listen much, so I just pick one randomly. The average love song.

Anyways a girl was singing. That song was so good. Essentially it was the Girls Chase in a song.
I immediately asked her for the song name. Then I told them "yeah, this one." They said: "That's a female song," I said: "If the teacher can sing it, I can sing it."

I googled it, that song was a hit, lots of female fan.
If I sing it, not only my voice gets better, but I also drill the female mindset into my system.
 

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Retrospection
1. Attainability
I had a lot of attainability problem. Because that explains why a handsome person (girls told me that), tall (4 inches higher than my country average), exotic (been in USA 5 years), driven (straight A student with full college scholarship first 2 years), successful (having worked in a top USA company), financially freedom (I can live for 3 years without work in my country. I also freelanced, thus my savings went down very slowly), muscles below average but decent (155 lbs), meeting a lot of girls (mass approach), still not get laid in 2 months.

I still thought I wasn't good enough. Especially in the muscles and social control department. That was true, probably with 10% of female population. But the rest 90% though.

And then I realized, I purposely made myself low attainability. Because being low attainability feels good for my ego. But that is not the best path.

I was still not good enough. That is right. But the best path is to fix my attainability right away, it's easier. Basically finding ways to increase my attainability without damaging my value (or better, increase my value). Such as:
- Moving the interaction forward
- Be warm
- Be persistent
- If I have to turn down people, do it in a very nice way.
- Relating
- Genuine compliment
- Being romantic
Chase had the Attainability articles, which I studied it before going out.

5 girls:
3
Girl sitting down.
The prediction was good, because she looked open.
The girl was hooked.
Attainability was fine. I moved the interaction forward, be as warm as possible.
She was the same as me, traveling abroad for many years.
Conversation was okay. Deep dive, she opened a bit but not much. Probably Type B.
She was quite closed up though, although she didn’t resist some touch.
Moving the interaction forward, I used The Small Ask. I insisted and persisted a lot, because that would increase my attainability.
My frame control got better. I used the “best path” frame control.
5
Prediction is good.
Repartee phase should have used the line “for you to know a handsome person like me”
Always, always use that line. It made girl laugh.

2. The date
I consulted Chase's 5 C articles. Trouble was the Covert one, my folks knew about her, and she knew it.
But I wouldn't phone it in. I had to pick the best path given these parameters.
So the plan was to get her to a in-the-hole coffee shop (Cheap) near my house (Convenience), so I can talk with her (Conversation), and later on lead her to a street walk (Control).
My Value was very good (on the first date), and I told her a few stories to boost my Value:
- The "I got stuck in my friend's house, sleeping the whole night in the bathroom, and my friend rescue me. Now I understand the Princess Peach feelings" basically painted me as the pursued.
- The "I went to the bar, and a 70-years-old want to be my sex slave," okay since it had the element of sex talk. She commented that I looked cute, if I went to the bar obviously some girls would approach me.
- A couple of high school stories (this mainly to boost my Attainability)
- I related to her piano story with my cousin's story. Plus a bit of chase frame added in. Basically it demonstrated that I have other females in my life (pre-selection).
Also:
- She came late 30 minutes. I read Chase articles that he brought a laptop with him to the date (Planning for the woman to change). I was with my Mac, was doing a few useful things. She was visibly attracted (based on her body language). She invested a lot (from her house to there was 1+ hour drive).
What I could do better:
- Move fast. First 15 min, I was building a lot of comfort, and deep dive, to boost my Attainability. With a lot of teasing mixed in. Working like a charm. She was attracted. But, at 15 min mark, she went cold. I waited for the window again, it simply won't open, so I just moved forward 5 min after that (thank god I didn't wait any longer, otherwise right now I'd be in friend zone).
- Attainability: She fixed my backpack for me (so that she would look like a good wife, at this point I knew the boyfriend zone was locked on). I should reward her with a warm smile, instead of continue moving. Now, this happened after I moved the interaction forward, and she turned it down. So the moving forward was correct. But she started resisted compliance after this, meaning not rewarding her effort was a mistake. I'll need to practice attainability heavily in cold approach, even swing it a bit too far (at first) will be fine.
Also I got a lot of Investment when we first met, texting (she texted 4x as long as me). But I did poorly in the date. Some compliance. Only got her to piano a song for me, and walk her on the street. Also I talked a lot to fill the dead verbal space (boost my Attainability), she probably was Type B.
Dealing with tests:
- Poor. When I told her a lot had happen, she told me "tell me a story." I pulled out a bit, "interesting people had secret lives," she said, "Just a bit, we should know each other" and I gave in, told her a story.
- Good. When she commented, "your friend was a funny guy," I boosted his value: "Maybe, he was successful but he was also very cool when he was with his friends." Cool men boost each other value.
Damage control:
- I knew the Covert element was missing. But the best path was that I had to damage control it. I told her my parents didn't know I'm here. She told me my parents probably knew I was with her. Then the psychology talk. Basically I told her she had to keep up a "good girl image" (understanding, implying pre-selection), I myself had to keep the "good man image" (implying discretion).
- My folks want me to give a gift to her. Obviously I could not give her a gift at the beginning (friend-zone), so the best possible path was to give it at the end (boyfriend-zone). I transported the gift along with my Mac in a backpack.
Male authority: I conveyed the older man image, been though a lot of life experiences. Also a bit of sex talk (not enough but there was the line "We should discover each other").
Moving the interaction forward:
- At the coffee shop, I told her let's go walk the night street. She agreed (although I should have done it within 15 minutes, not 20 minutes).
In my head I was rationalizing, "she hadn't finish her coffee." That was right, but was it the best path? No. The best path was to move the interaction forward when the window was still open.
- When I came out, I extended my hand, twice (insistence), she told me: "No, I'm a good girl, I don't hold hands." Not ideal, but I knew that if I pushed, it should come all the way. Her mom knew about the date. The best path was just asking once, because that made things interesting (because if I didn't move the interaction forward, she would get bored). She started resisting compliance then, I wrestled back some control, but I had to end the date soon after, otherwise I would continue to lose compliance.
Non-neediness was good. When I bid her goodbye, I had a sad eyes, with some smiling ("it's a pity, I have a fun time but this soon will end," I thought. This should be implied, not spoken). No angry, no chasing. I was understanding. I strive to give her the best possible experience, within 5 dates limit.
So basically she was excited, invested, pushing for the second date, but resisting sexual advances. Classic symptom of boyfriend-zone.

3. Discretion.
This I hadn't hold up to the standard.
When I got back home from the date, my parents asked how it went. I just mumbled, "20 minutes, too slow, must move within 15 minutes."
My parents was horrified. They said I should wait at least a month to hold a girl's hand.
But I argued a bit using my experience. I used the "right" frame control. No, I should have used the "best path" frame control.
The best path is: Don't kiss and tell.
Why did I told them?
Because I tried to look like a player, instead of being the player
I must never kiss and tell.
So the successful seducer's path, will be lonely, in a way. My parents, my real life friends, will never understand me. I can never share my struggles. I can never tell about my conquests. I can never share my techniques.
But I accept it. Because that is the best path to succeed.
I want success. Therefore I'll accept that standard.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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The music class, part 2
A girl approached me at the end.
Her: You travel aboard, right?
Me: How do you know? (boost investment)
Her: Because of your accent, not from here.
Me: Yeah, USA.
Her: You speak English very good (in English)
She was qualifying herself.
Now this point I could move the interaction forward. Asking for the date would be 90% successful.
However I was disgusted because she was ugly.
The next time, if a girl opened me, ugly or not, I'll move the interaction forward.
Because having sex with an ugly girl was a better path than not having sex at all.

Actually the music teacher had an advantage over me. He was the male authority, but he tanked his attainability. In that case, well, she came to me, because I was the second best option.
 

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The new training plan
That was a clean approach invitation. The girl was real beautiful, perfect 10, and I didn’t approach. Holy shit me. That wasn’t attainability. That wasn’t the best path either.
Probably I’ll need a week to exclusively train on these 2 items.
- Attainability
- Best path frame control

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Prediction was correct. She was moving (seeking attention) but not overly seeking attention (not taking pictures), having a dress, moving near the middle, and scanning the crowd.
When I came near, and open over the shoulder, her friend moved away immediately. The prediction was golden.
But when it came to repartee phase “and you know a handsome person like me” she ran away.
Now, why? Is the line bad?
I didn’t think so. She turned her body towards me. I should have done the same, to boost attainability.

12
Prediction: Good because she was scanning the crowd, she was moving closer to me.
I said, “Hello, what’s your name?”
She said, “Thank you.”
Her attitude was so-so.
Chatting a bit, no bite, letting her go.

13
Prediction was wrong.

14
Effort was too high.
I should get rid of the “extending arm blocking her way,” too high effort.
Use the good old arm tap.

15
Is my prediction wrong?
Or the opening was too low effort

16
Prediction: Good because she was near me.
That was right. However, no compliance, so this was a good-reaction-no-result interaction. That was fine, I was training conversation anyway.
I turned to her opening. She guessed I traveled aboard because of my accent. The standard line was, “You guess so right. How do you know?”
Then a guy came near. She said: “This was my husband.”
Holy shit.
I was just chill though. The husband just turned and talked with her sister.
I didn’t get any compliance, nor deep diving, out of consideration. Hmm, I should have executed my standard game anyways, married girls are easy.

17
Prediction: Good because she was near me, looked at me a bit and turned her head away.
I opened, she smiled.
I found out a better opener, “Hey you, what’s your name?”
Having some compliance. I noticed she turned her body towards me, I did the same for the attainability.
Repartee was good, she was laugh.
Then she said she had to go with her friends.
Don’t let her go. Insist.

18
Prediction: Good because she was scanning the crowd.
I used the new opener.
Correct. Basic compliance was easy, repartee was good.
However when I asked her “what’s your hobby” she just shook her head laughing and went away with her friend.

19
Prediction: Good because she came near me.
I opened her friend instead, failed.

20
Prediction: Good because she hovered near me, twice. The second time she broke her circles and hovering near me.
She smiled shyly (cutest smile I have ever seen). Perfect 10. But she went away.
Probably because she was with her mom and her sisters.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Under 21
I just read Chase's women taste article.
Because I cold approach, I'm slotted into "bad boy" role.
My niche is under 21 as well, so the idea here is to exclusively approach girls under 21.
But if an older girl finds me attractive, open her as well.

1
Indirect, then direct.
I used the line. Not as smooth.
She shyly lowered her head, but she didn’t talk.
Honestly I should move the interaction forward.

3
Okay, my prediction was wrong. Or I caught the approach invitation too slowly.
But basically if I didn’t catch the approach invitation right away, I could use this line: “I’m shy”

4 (best)
Girl in the coffee shop. Prediction was good because of her position.
I was smooth like a devil (Devil may care). Value/Investment/Attainability.
Me: Hey you, what's your name?
Her: What's for?
Me: For you to know a handsome person like me.
Her (laugh): I'm _____
Then I smoothly took a seat next to her, continue the conversation.
And a lot of incidental touch. Very easy. I took her math class paper, holding her hand at the same time.
Though I could touch more.
I was a bit edgy
Me: “We should go to a water park sometimes”
Girl: I was waiting for my friend
Me: Your friend can join
She seemed to enjoy it. Actually I can do better, invite her home right there.
She was from a high school far from here, waiting for her friend.
Her: Is it a bet or something?
Me: Why do you think so?
Her: Because there was no other explanation.
Me: I'm bored, so I come here for entertainment.
One problem was that, she was turned into her paper. Next time, use this line: “Don’t look at your paper. Look at me.”
This interaction had investment problem. She didn’t invest much.

6
She was laughing, running away, hiding behind her friend’s back.
Devil may care attitude worked very well with young girls.

The other girl flaked on the second date, it was a little sad. But yeah, she was young, I should be aggressive on Date 1.
So the plan is that I'll be as bad boy as possible. A leather jacket.
 

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Shortest girl I have ever seen
6
Prediction was good because: She was on the outer side.
That was correct. Opening was fine, but she didn’t comply. Because I didn’t insist.
9 (best)
My prediction was: Good, because she was sit alone on the bench, facing outside.
I passed by her, smiling.
She smiled back at me.
I came in, saying “hey you, what’s your name”
Her: What’s for?
Me: For you to know a handsome person like me.
Her: I’m ________
Then I sat down next to her.
Her: You’re a foreigner?
Me: Why do you think that?
(This must be done in a smooth voice + bedroom eyes)
Her: Because of your accent
Then I front load my value a bit, by telling her I traveling in USA.
Dealing with tests:
- She told me “Speak English for me”, I told her “What for?” She told me: “Because I didn’t believe you travel abroad.” I told her: “You can believe I’m from here, that’s fine” (communicating that I didn’t need to impress her)
- When she told me to throw the trash, I told her: “Later." Now, because this girl was young, I had to be as bad as possible.
- When I left her, partly because my friend would come, partly because her family would come soon, she invited me to join. I’d rather be her secret lover. When I went to the intersection, she hollered (very good, a lot of investment): “Throw your trash away,” I hollered back: “You throw for me,” then turned to leave. She chased after me.
- She want me to meet her family. I evade the party date.
- I evaded the Facebook in the beginning.
- She asked who I went with, I said: “I go alone”
Basically I used the “best path frame control” to deal with tests and to move the interaction forward.
Get to know her:
- She said she normally didn’t talk with strangers. I asked her why. She said because guys here are too complicated. I teased her: “Yeah, so you only talk with handsome people” (chase frame, plus complimented her on her standards”
- She said: “I’m normally very cold in class.” And I told her: “You’re just shy,” she said: “That’s right,” I told her: “And when you meet your Prince Charming, your heart melts”
- She studied medicine.
- She told me she used to want to be cook. When she was middle school, she admired a cook on TV, wrote a letter to him, and the class found out, everyone laughed.
- She liked high school movies.
Moving the interaction forward:
- Logistics: I asked where was her home. She lived far from here. Then she asked me my home. I said my home general location, telling she should come to my home sometimes. She said: In America probably people did that all the time (not true, but it was useful), but not here.
- I said, “we should go to the water park sometimes”, which painted a naughty picture.
Compliance:
- She asked me my height. I told her 5’8”. I asked her height. She told me to guess. I used ridiculous guess: “4’” She told me: “4’8” Holy shit, I had never see a girl this short before. Then she said: “Probably I can only stand to your chest.” I told her “Stand up,” Then I slightly touched her hair, pulling her near.
Investment:
- She gave me her drink. I drank, asking her “What’s this?” And she told me.
At the next place (she chased after me, we moved through couples of street, then I arrived at the place I’d meet my friend),
she said: “I want to take a picture with you.” I tapped another girl nearby (preselection), and I said: “Please take us a picture.”
The girl complied, taking a picture.
Then I pulled her near. Taken compliance.
I used my phone, instead of her phone. If I was in her phone, she ruminated after me (investment). But I would be public, reduce the chance I’d be the secret lover. So this was somewhat a trade off.
Then I got the number. She put the number in wrong place.
I said, “Kid, put the number here”
She said: “It’s your phone, not mine”
Me: “Put your name here” (more compliance)
Then she left, on the high note.

I texted her: “Kid, IceCream here, we met in the park bench. Save my number ;)
 

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Shortest girl I have ever seen, part 2
Me: Kid, IceCream here, we met in the park bench. Save my number ;)
Her: Yes
Her: Are you free now, come with me to _______
Me: I'm having dinner with my friend, I'll come later.

(1 hour later)
Her: Are you done, come with me
I had a choice. I had listened to my friend a great deal. I could leave.
Either:
- I went along with her, and her sisters. She knew I left my friend for her, thus damaging my value.
- Or I just ignored her. She knew I was with a cool guy, building alliance (too busy with my friend to text her back), thus boosting my value. But she was very into me, with all the touching and compliance. This could damage my attainability.
Honestly I don't know what path is better. So test

So I ignored her (boosting my value), and when I parted my friend 2 hours later, I sent her a witty text (boosting my value and attainability):
Me: I just break up with my dude :) now I leave, if you already left tomorrow we'll hang out alone.
First part I used the gay frame. Then I used the best path frame.
Her: haha
Her: I'm gonna sleep now, feeling too sleepy.

This girl, I'll persist a lot.
 

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IceCream said:
Because having sex with an ugly girl was a better path than not having sex at all.

That statement is true. But why we are here, wouldn't you rather have sex with someone you were more attracted to, even if they only a 6 or 7 as opposed to a 5? eg spend more time approaching or something instead of sleeping with someone you might call ugly? I'm not saying I haven't done similar to your statement, I just try and avoid it these days as it's not close enough to what I want if that makes sense :)
 

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The date
From the look of it, this girl probably wanted a relationship. So if I went only for sex without relationship, she might auto-reject.
Ok. Fine with me. If I successful get sex with her, I’ll give her a relationship.

Text:
Her: Are you free at noon, come playing at my school
Me: Where is your school?
Me: I can come in noon, or we grab a coffee when you got off.
Basically I gave her 2 paths. The reason why we grab a coffee when she got off, was that she had reputation concerns. Her family might ask where she goes. After school should offer a lot of discretion.
Her: At the street _______, my school looks very good, come play
I would meet her friends there, but I understood her concern. She wanted to make sure I wasn't a serial killer.
Me: Okay, that's near my place. Send me your school's address.
Her: _________
Me: What time is good for me to come?
Why? Because of discretion. She should pick a time that she could be alone with me.
Her: 12:15 pm
Me: Ok
Her: Okay, I'm in class now, bye.

Turn out her school had all Chase's 5C.
Cheap: no cost.
Convenience: For her, and that wasn't too far from my place
Conversation: Plenty
Covert: Reasonable, the school have plenty of spots we can be alone together
Control: I can lead her around. That was a bit difficult at first because it was her school, but eventually I led her.

The aims were:
- show her I’m a social, cool man,
- not some a weirdo, or serial killer
- make both of us look good.
- when the window open, moving the interaction forward. Give her what she wants.

She greeted me at the school's gate. She asked me: "Now where will we going?"
I didn't know. First time I was there. But I was the man, I must lead.
Me: Okay, let go somewhere else
Her: I don't know any good places around here
Me: Show me your school
She led me to the elevator. Then we went to the 12th floor. She led me to a table. She sat down. I told her: "Move a bit" and pushing her (touching), she moved.
Then I sat down. She was antsy.
I must lead now.
Me: The window over there, I want to see. Let's go there.
She followed me. At the window, we looked a bit, some light touching. Then I told her, "let's go" and we moved down the hall, to another window.
She was turned into me. A window.
I took her hand, saying "let's go"
She took her hand back, "Don't touch me," however her voice was shy.
So it was a bit too early. Or too late, and I should have done it sooner.
I led her down one floor. Passed through a hall, a lot of girls look at me. She commented: You walked like a male model.
Yeah, right. That was the name. The Male Model walk.
I didn't touch her there, too many people.
Down another floor, one of her male friend passed by.
She complained, "I'm too tired. Walking so much."
This was good, because I wanted a lot of investment.
I told her," It's good for you. Do some exercises."
Her: "I'm already thin, I don't need exercises"
Then she told me to go to the 24th floor. I followed along. A lot of compliance in between, I told her "Come here."
A slight mistake was that when she told me to touch the Christmas ball on the ceiling, I did it. I should not comply.
At the 24th floor, I led, tell her to follow me. A dark room. I came in, telling her to come in. She said: "No, it's scary."
She wasn't ready.
We got out to another window. I touched her head a bit.
She told me, "I can't swim."
No idea why.
Me: "You should go to a pool with me. I can teach you."
Then I told her to go to the elevator. She turned into me. Another window.
I touch her shoulder.
Her: If you touch me, I'll punch you in the face.
I punched her slightly in the face.
Down the elevator.
I met her teacher, I was socializing a bit. Though not very smooth.
She told me to go with her in her class.
Now I didn't think it was a good path. Because I could be cool with the teacher here, but in the class, the teacher would be the authority. This would damage my value.

I parted way with her.
I didn't move as fast as I should, but it was better than last time. So my idea of training was to go to a lot of dates, getting better and better at recognizing window and moving the interaction forward.
Also I should get to know her. I didn't deep dive, just a lot of flirting and moving her around.
 

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The date, aftermath
I consulted Chase's Second Date Strategy.
Basically I'd send a text to her tomorrow. My attainability was a bit too high, I'd have to wait a day.

Or not.
She texted me a few hours afterwards:

Her: do you know how to cry?
"Yes" or "No", both would be bad. Better to know her concern,

Me: lol :)
Me: why do you ask that?
Without the lol my attainability would be too high. It had the "silly" frame.

Her: just feeling sad, nothing
Need to up my attainability a bit.

Me: that's too bad
Me: now if you got off class, let's have a walk, you'll feel better
Moving forward.

Her: now I have to go home, I can't go out with you
I understood. If she was absent, her parents would question her. She had reputation concern.

Me: let's go when you're free someday.
I planned to keep it like that, if she didn't respond I'd just text her a day later.

Her: can you sing?
Probably a karaoke date. Cheap, convenience, conversation, covert, control, good.
Me: I know a little bit

Her: does your house has a karaoke set, I want to come and sing, haha
No, I doesn't have. But it is more useful to move the interaction forward.
Me: now, is that convenient for you?

Again, she had reputation concern, I had to ask beforehand.
Her: no, not convenient, I have to follow my house rules, I'll come Friday.
I should not be desperate to mate. The rule is asking once, if she won't bite, back up, building attraction/comfort/compliance/value, and try again later.

Her: friday I'll come to your place and tell you the story, now I go cooking, meeting you later, bye.
Her: cooking dinner
First part, I didn't know what it implied. Second part was good, because I qualified her on the cooking before.

Me: oh yeah, I want to eat your meal once, see you friday
Need to show that I was considering her for a relationship, because this girl was chasing that.
Also, "once" is a very good word, because it conveys scarcity.
Her: okay

There is no guarantee, of course. Chase once told a story that a girlfriend of him, having a guy setting 3 traditional dates. When she flaked on the third date, he texted her "Fuck you!" Don't be that guy. I'll just go meet more girls tomorrow.
 

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The tight rope of attainability
Morning:
(1 hour ago)
Her: are you wake?
How should I respond?
Responding, and I risked become her text buddy.
Not responding, and I risked my attainability tanked.
It would be a very, very tight rope here.

Me: I just woken up
Boring answer, I knew.

Her: you wake up so late
Now I had to respond right away, otherwise she would think I was playing game.

Me: you wake up too early
Her: I wake up at 6
She was qualifying, good.

Me: you wake up early, good :)
Me: I'm about to go to music class
Me: meet you later
Better to end this as soon as possible

Her: okay
1 hour later
Her: what are you studying music for

Answering here the attainability will become too high.
I ignored.

6 hours later
Her: what are you doing now
Now should I answer? Probably, otherwise the attainability will become too low

30 min later
Me: I'm about to meet my guy friends :)
"Guy friends" is a very good word. Because she will wonder, why do I had to specify the gender, or I just going to meet girls and lying.

Her: sob sob, I won't come play with you anymore
Her: have fun with your friends
The push-pull is real. But yeah, the auto-rejection risk was there.
Obviously I couldn't answer right away. She must know I would going forward my plan, despite her protests.
Also I'd rather put her into auto-rejection, and recovering. She would love the emotional roller-coaster.

I actually went out cold approaching. 25 girls later, I returned home.
Me: kid, I also have fun hang out with you
Her: fun, yeah right
I called her. Why? Because I needed to be unpredictable. Plus I could build rapport better over the phone.

No answer.
Me: your parents are watching ;)
A cold read. Nice recovering.

Her: I can't call
Moving forward
Me: of course, tomorrow when are you off

Her: 11:15 am
Her: I hate being called kid by you
I should ignore her statement (act as if she just made a faux pas)

Me: ok, good, I'll be home at 12
Her: (SMS language)
Me: ?
Her: what does it mean
Me: type standard language, I'm bad at reading text abbreviation.
Her: I'll come to your place right after school?
Me: yeah

Her: I'll have to be home at 3, can I come Saturday, I can be at your home the whole day?
Probably she needed to come home before her parents did.
But Saturday would be bad, her parents would know.

Me: friday is more convenient for me
Me: let's go friday
Her: is it tomorrow?
Me: yeah

(after a while)
Her: secret man, you're not going to sleep?
"secret man" was a very good word. I would be her secret lover.
Also I shouldn't let the texts get too long.

Me: :) about
Her: I feel like you have some big secrets, right?
Me: tomorrow I'll tell you
Her: ok, sleep early, I'm going to sleep, bye bye sleep well.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Rain said:
IceCream said:
Because having sex with an ugly girl was a better path than not having sex at all.

That statement is true. But why we are here, wouldn't you rather have sex with someone you were more attracted to, even if they only a 6 or 7 as opposed to a 5? eg spend more time approaching or something instead of sleeping with someone you might call ugly? I'm not saying I haven't done similar to your statement, I just try and avoid it these days as it's not close enough to what I want if that makes sense :)
I just slept with ONE girl in my entire life, so your suggestion might make sense.
One thing I caught myself doing, is that I avoid beautiful girls in difficult situations, when she was surrounded by friends or was too far away. I'm trying to fix that.
 

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The date at my house
It didn’t work out.
I had taken the best path I could take on this one.

The girl was so invested, she came by bus all the way to my house. And a person like me, after meeting so many girls, still disappointed this girl.
Imagine the number of sexually frustrated girls out there.
If I get better, I'll become the rare man that can satisfy the hidden needs of girls out there.
 

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Chasing dynamics
1. People's skill
In the music class, an ugly girl always initiated the conversation. I wasn't going to do anything with her. But I still talked, flirted, and deep dived her, because:
1. Talk to everyone is good. Not just the girls I want to have sex with.
2. Screen for people who chases me.
3. Then providing good feelings for those people.

2. The approaches
One major problem was cockblocking, but Hector's opening style solved that.
1
I should just use Hector’s pair opener.
I switched target in the opening. Fine. Just use the normal opener in that case.
2
Hector’s pair opener.
3
Okay, this girl was beautiful. I didn’t shy away from approaching. Good.
Just that I’ll need Hector’s pair opener.
4
Pair on bike.
Hector’s opener worked. At least the friend turned me down nicely.
The good thing about it was that, from the outside, it just looks like I was asking for direction (or having a friendly conversation), so it didn’t incur negative preselection.
5 (best)
The girl was beautiful.
I used Hector’s pair opener. It went fine.
The girl I liked completely loved it.
It could been better if I switched to the girl I liked earlier.

On the 5th approach, the beautiful girl clearly liked me. When the ugly girl started to tool me, I must switch immediately to the beautiful girl, because otherwise I would have a bad dynamics.
Let just say other than girls I liked, everyone else in the group are just "normal people."
Hector's concept of respect applied here. For example, talked with the girl I didn't like first, showing that I respected her as a normal person (earning respect).
But if she disrespected me, withdraw my attention (demanding respect).
So that's the plan.

3. The date at my house, aftermath
The last girl, it was the first time a girl came to my house. First time I saw LMR as well.
Even though it doesn't work out, she treated me like a prince.
I was happy. So I'll master pickup and become a top tier lover.
 

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Bro,

What is Hector's opening? Can you describe it or provide a link please?

Thanks!
 

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Sandman said:
Bro,

What is Hector's opening? Can you describe it or provide a link please?

Thanks!
An opening style for a pair of girls. First you go to the girl you don't like first. You talked with her.
Hello, I saw you guys over there, and your friend is beautiful. I'm ______
Then you talked with both of them, around 30 seconds, and transitioned to the girl you like.
Now what is the advantage?
- The friend feels important, and she would be less likely to cockblock
- When I went straight to the girl I like, she usually was in a double bind. If she talked with me, she left her friend alone, or her friend would think badly of her. If she didn't talk with me, she missed out an amazing man.
So if I talk to the friend first, the girl I like will feel relieve, that this amazing man engages her friend too.
 

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IceCream said:
Sandman said:
Bro,

What is Hector's opening? Can you describe it or provide a link please?

Thanks!
An opening style for a pair of girls. First you go to the girl you don't like first. You talked with her.
Hello, I saw you guys over there, and your friend is beautiful. I'm ______
Then you talked with both of them, around 30 seconds, and transitioned to the girl you like.
Now what is the advantage?
- The friend feels important, and she would be less likely to cockblock
- When I went straight to the girl I like, she usually was in a double bind. If she talked with me, she left her friend alone, or her friend would think badly of her. If she didn't talk with me, she missed out an amazing man.
So if I talk to the friend first, the girl I like will feel relieve, that this amazing man engages her friend too.

Great tip man! thank you :)
 

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Gaming 9 pairs
1. The hotel
I passed by a hotel. A couple was checking out. The girl paid.
The man was in a normal office clothes, fairly muscular.
The girl was lightly bleached brown, looking fairly cute.
Holy shit. I still had much to learn.

2. The approaches
Crowded night. More girls.
The only downside is that most girls will have their guard up. Similar to a crowded nightclub.
But girls who are looking for mates will make themselves visible.
1
Pair opener.
She had a boyfriend, but at least I brought a smile.
Reason was wrong target. The girl who was looking around for mates was the friend, not the girl.
Man, I could recover by turning to the friend, saying, “Ok, it’s your turn.”
3
Pair’s opener was a success.
Basic compliance was easy.
Mid compliance, pulling her near for a picture, was easy.
My mistake was to engage her friend afterward. Look. If her friend already approve us, just build a bit of rapport, then an instant date. I already had a mid compliance.
4
Another success.
I didn’t know who was into me. Both turned into my direction.
The friend moved away immediately.
But I really should target the girl who turned a whole 180 degree to my direction.
9 (best)
Success.
The girl was gorgeous, holy shit. But I should have qualified her.
Hector’s pair opener went fine.
I told the friend,
“Hello, I’m over there, and I saw your friend was beautiful. I’m ______.”
The girl was a bit far away. The friend waved the girl over.
Thank you, the friend. It turned out if I respected the friend, the friend would even help me.
The girl came. I asked her name.
Basic compliance went fine. I engaged her friend somewhat too.
Repartee was okay-ish, “We’re meeting on Christmas night, it’s very lucky.”
Make her feel special.
Some chase frame.
“And you two know a handsome person like me.”
I moved the girl a bit.
“Let’s move a bit, it’s too crowded here.”
I was a bit too talkative.
Asking for instant date. She said: “I’m not used to going away with strangers.”
Me: “A handsome stranger"
Her: “I’m not sure, but...”
Me: “Okay, one, I’m tall, two, I’m handsome, three, I studied in USA, four, I travel, five, I have interesting quality.”
Her: “Why are you interested in me?”
This was the sign I should qualify her sooner.
Me: “Cause you’re beautiful, and you looked interesting.”
Her: “My friends tell me that I have a boring personality.”
My response was fairly weak, “You have a cute smile”
Anyways, pairs were actually easy, if I played the game right.
I should qualify her on something other than looks.
 
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