A Black Man's Pragmatic Approach To Finally Have Sex With A Hot Girl

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
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I've known about the pickup community for more then 10 years and in all that time I've never consistently documented my process which I suspect might be a reason why I've not experienced the success I want in this area of my life.

I've decided to start this journal to document all my attempts at improving my sex life going forward.

About Me:

- I'm 27 years old but when i shave my beard i can look as young as 16

- I discovered the seduction/pickup community when i was 14 years old

- I'm just over 6 feet tall

- I'm black and currently live in Canada

- I've fucked 7 women so far in my life (1 from daygame, 5 from night game and 1 from tinder)

- I've never had a girlfriend and I've never had sex with the same girl more then once (mostly by choice)

- I work from home so I have a very flexible schedule which allows me to go out to meet women pretty much anytime i want

- I do not have any male friends or any sort of social circle (mostly by choice); I spend my time either working from home, going clubbing alone or with my family.

My Goal:

- I've never actually had sex with a woman I was strongly attracted to; the 7 girls I've fucked where all girls that i fucked because they made it very easy for me.

- I've also never actually had an orgasm during sex; the 7 times i fucked i had issues straying hard (girl had to constantly suck it each time we switched position)
and i was unable to finish so at the age of 27 I've actually never ejaculated during sex only from masturbation.

- Given the above I have simple goal right now, I simply want to have sex with 1 girl I'm genuinely/strongly attracted to and I want to orgasm during the sex. thats all I want for now.

My Plan Going Forward:

- I currently go clubbing at least 4 times per week

- This week I want to start doing daygame at least twice a week as well

- I've hired legendary seducer Gunwitch to help me with online coaching

- I'm currently looking for an expert seducer here in Canada that can go out in field with me

- I'm currently experimenting with various supplements to deal with my erection/inability to orgasm during sex problem

- I'm currently experimenting with different nofap/masturbation/porn protocol to find an optimal approach given my goal

If anyone reading this has any suggestions that can help me achieve my goal faster, please let me know.
 

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Space Monkey
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Update #1

Date: Sunday, November 3rd, 2019

Style: Night Game

NoFap Staus: I last released to porn at 11:31 AM on Tuesday October 29th, since then what I've done is every day right before i go clubbing or daygaming
I jerk off with porn right to the point where I'm about to release and then stop.

Details:

I arrived at the venue at 1:24 AM today.

Places in my city close at 2 AM so the place was already pretty much dead.

I had planned to go out much earlier today but I decided to go spend time with my family instead of going out early today.

Given that i work from home i can sometimes end up very isolated/lonely and i felt seeing my family today would be good for me.

So i want into the venue at 1:24 AM, this place is an arcade/bar with 2 floors.

As soon as I walk in I slowly walk around the entire venue both floors.

I always do this because i want girls to notice me and then my hope is that the girls who like me will then give me approach invitations or even approach me.

The place is completely dead but there are some girls who look pretty hot; it's an older crowd at this point,
most girls i saw looked 25+ maybe even 28+; i prefer girls 18-23 but if they're hot i dont really care.

After walking around the venue I position myself at one of the arcade games that is in a highly visible spot upstairs; my thinking by doing that is I want to be seen by as many people as possible so girls who like me can give me AIs.

I play the game for 5-7 min but then i realize there's not enough people left in this place and im running out of time

I decide to leave this first place and go to another place.

I go outside and take a cab and 2 min later I'm at the other place.

This venue is a kind of trashy (not in a dangerous way) bar with a mostly older 28+ crowd.

I walk in and do my slow walk around the entire venue and then go to the bar and order a drink.

I pretty much NEVER drink alcohol but i always buy a drink at this place because I've been called out before by bar staff for visiting venues weekly and never spending any money.

so this venue is even more dead then the first venue so i grab my drink and place it on a table; then i do another slow walk around the entire venue.

After that i wait and see if any of the few girls in the place that saw me will give me an AI; after waiting 3-4 min at my table and none of the girls giving any signs of interest I decide to go back to the first venue.

By this time its past 2 AM so i know they will not let me back inside but I like to wait outside clubs/bars at the end of the night as sometimes there are opportunities.

I got the 5th lay of my life back in June of this year when this white girl approached me outside a club at like 2:30-3:00 AM

so i take a taxi back to the first venue, when we park in front of the bar i see this brunette outside by herself; i think she was smoking but dont remember 100%.

I look at her from the car and i dont remember exactly but she made eye contact or at least noticed me looking.

Thinking back now a girl standing outside a bar after 2 AM on a sunday is probably horny and looking to get fucked so i should have probably approached her; i dont remember exactly what she looked like but she was probably a 6 or 6.5.

After 2-3 min the brunette gets in another taxi and leaves.

I pay my taxi and get outside.

So I'm waiting near the door outside the bar, I see this blonde standing inside and i get a gut feeling that she will like me.

I actually have this theory that real/pure blondes have a special/natural chemistry with black men. kind of am opposites attract thing.

Anyways, i cannot really tell what her face looks like but she is blonde, and seems to have a nice body.

So I'm standing outside for like 5-7 min but its cold so i decide to get inside a taxi that is parked in front of the club and wait in there.

After a few min, the blonde comes outside and tries to open my taxi door not realizing im in there.

The taxi driver rolls the window and tells her "i already have a passenger".

She looks at me through the window and says something like "can i share the taxi with you?"

Right away from this i know she likes me since there are literally 10 other taxis parked in front of this bar so no reason for her to take mine.

I ask her where she's going and its very close so its fine so I tell tell her"as long as you pay then yes"

this next part might not sound crucial to those of you reading but my experience and gut tell me it was a crucial moment

so when we agree to share taxis the fucking idiot/asshole taxi driver decides to unclok the front door instead of the back door so she can get in and sit next to him instead of me.

Even in the moment i knew this would hurt me but I was not sure what to do or say.

looking back now, this girl seemed very horny to me and seems to have a liking for black men; given the type of energy she had during the ride I'm convinced has she sat in the backseat next to me we would have probably both got very turned on just being next to each other and honestly i would say we might have even started making out and groping each other during the taxi ride.

anyways, she sits in front next to the cab driver, and 1 min later another blonde gets in the taxi and sits next to me (her friend).

Both the women looked 30+ maybe even 35+ so they where definitely NOT what I'm looking for but still would have been a good learning experience and confidence boost to at least make out with her had the fucking taxi driver not ruined it.

anyways, as we drive the girl is leading the conversation mostly. she asks me where I'm from, what is my name and at one point she even says "do you want to come party with us?"

unfortunately, during the ride she was also on the phone with another guy who we was meeting them where the taxi was taking us; she even told the guy on the phone "I'm with x (her friend) and this other guy (me)", she was basically telling the other guy that i was joining them.

I was not really attracted to her and i was not really prepared to deal with any sort of group scenario so I did not really show signs of interest when she asked if i wanted to come with them and when she told the guy on the phone i was coming.

her friend btw who sat next to me was texting on the phone the whole ride and did not really say anything.

so we get to their destination and they cannot find the guy and this point i know in my mind that im not going with them so I'm like "alright ladies, i need to go now", kind of telling them to get out and look for their guy on foot.

The girl opens the door and tries to leave, i tell the taxi driver "make sure she pays you", the driver tells he she needs to pay, she fucking turns and looks at me and say something like "he's paying", i laugh and say "why would i pay for you?", she's like "you need to pay half", im again amused that she really think i would do that and i tell the taxi driver "make sure she pays you".

Her friend decides to pay and they leave and the taxi takes me back to my hotel.

Looking back right now that fucking taxi driver killed a potential make out for me I'm sure of this, I just know there's no way that girl could have been sitting next to me and not become super horny given the way she was behaving during the ride and honestly had we started making out I would have probably become super horny myself and gone with them to meet the guy which I might have later regretted since I'm trying to stop this pattern i have of fucking women I'm not genuinely attracted to.

I've never had sex with a girl that looking back i really liked and had i fucked this girl the next day i would have probably been depressed that i still have not fucked any girl i really like; but then there's also the chance that fucking a girl in this scenario would have provided a big confidence boost that would help me then achieve my actual goal faster.

If i do a pros and cons list then in the end i think i would have been better off if the taxi driver did not fuck it up and that girl sat next to me at the back even if we ended up fucking.

that's all for today.

Monday to Wednesday i dont usually go out but I think this week I'm going to go clubbing every day.
 

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Space Monkey
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Update #2

Date: Friday, November 8th, 2019

Style: Night Game

NoFap Staus: I last released to porn at 10:06 PM on Wednesday November 6th, since then what I've done is every day right before i go clubbing
I jerk off with porn right to the point where I'm about to release and then stop.

Details:

I arrived at the club at 10:59 PM

My gameplan for tonight was to simply do this exercise that Gunwitch taught me for AA and see what happens

In the past few weeks this excersise has helped me actually do a few approaches which is big for me since usually my AA is so bad that I just stand around hoping girls will approach me

The exercise is to simply look at girls I find attractive and try to make myself really horny by imagining how i would like to have sex with them in my own desired kinky way.

The actual exercise requires that you do this from somewhere the girl you are looking at cannot see you but I've modified the exercise and I actually check them out in a blatant way that is obvious to them.

So i spent most of the night doing this exercise.

unfortunately, despite doing this exercise I was not able to push myself to do any approaches tonight.

I did manage to get really horny twice while doing the exercise and horniness is like a magic pill for me; every time I approach a girl who gives me a boner from just looking at her it literally always goes well.

so I did manage to get a boner twice but both times it lasted like 1 min max.

also, no girl was giving me any indicator of interest while doing the exercise

usually, when I do this exercise at some point a girl who likes me will give me a big smile or something like that when i blatantly check her out; it never happened tonight.

I think something was off with my vibe.

I did very nearly get into a fight with this indian/arab/brown guy after he pushed me while i was going down some stairs but i managed to control myself and he ended up getting kicked out and the bouncers let me stay.

That incident negatively affected my vibe the rest of the night but even before that my vibe seemed off tonight.

I always know my vibe is off when really unattractive girls start hitting on me.

This super fat white girl walked by me as i did the exercise and said "you're beautiful"

On the nights i get the most interest from girls, it will be all attractive girls and the fat/unattractive girls wont come near me

My theory is that on nights when my vibe/demeanor/energy is off unattractive girls think they have a chance with me because i also appear lower value like them

thats my theory

Also, I did have one interaction with a girl tonight:

Towards the end of the night, i posted up near the washrooms and this exotic looking (white skin but clearly not a Canadian girl) called me and was like "my friend likes you".

Unfortunately, the friend was this chubby black girl so I was polite/friendly to them but did not pursue in any way.

thats about it for tonight.

I dont remember any clear approach invitations or signs of interest from any legitimately hot girls tonight which is abnormal for me at this club.

I'm currently in between apartments and have not been in the gym in probably more then a week which might be affecting my vibe/demeanor somehow.

Another interesting thing about tonight is this white girl I fucked back in June was actually in the club tonight; she was dressed in a very slutty/sexy mini skirt and actually looked hotter then i remember.

I felt bad seeing her because she was very nice to me the night we fucked and then i later saw her at this same club in September and she came up to me and i totally ignored her; I was in a weird mood that night and looking back now she did not deserve that and i felt bad tonight when i saw her.

After how i ignored her back in September she did not attempt to interact with me tonight.

As i sit here writing this I actually dont care about the bad night with girls; i keep thinking of the brown guy who pushed me on the stairs.

In my now 6+ years of going clubbing for 3-5 nights per week I've never had somehow push me or do something like what this guy did; I hope i never see him again because i know i will probably lose it and attack him on sight. I only controlled myself on the stairs because i knew we where within eyesight of the bouncers and I've already been banned from the other top club in the city on Friday's for fighting. I knew if i punched this guy I would get banned from this club too and then i would not have any good spots to go to on Friday nights.

Another thing I remember about tonight is towards the end of the night at like 1:40 AM i decided to go check out the dancefloor; i almost never step foot on the dancefloor but I've always been curious about it and I've wanted to learn how to properly do dancefloor game but I dont think its a match for my personality.

I actually plan on spending a significant amount of time on the dancefloor tomorrow.

A lot of times when I have a night like tonight where my vibe is off and no attractive girl gives me a clear AI, the next night my vibe usually bounces back and I have the opposite happen where a lot of girls seem to like me so hopefully tomorrow will be a much better night.
 

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Space Monkey
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Update #3

Date:
Friday, November 15th, 2019

Style: Night Game

NoFap Staus: I last released to porn at 12:30 AM and 12:57 AM on Thursday November 14th

Details:

I arrived at the club at 1:17 AM

This is very late for my city since clubs here close at 2:00 AM

I had an incredibly busy week with work and I decided to go spend time with my family tonight instead of going out earlier since nothing brings me more happiness then spending time with them.

I've recently decided that I'm going to spend the next few several weeks experimenting with dance floor game.

I decided to wear my nicest/most high end/expensive looking clothes tonight

Usually i dont like to dress too fancy because I've found that it strangely has a negative effect on my vibe and makes me feel more self conscious.

But I felt for dance floor game it would be helpful to look high end.

So i walk in at 1:17 AM.

After going to the washroom, I walk to a few high visibility spots in the club and pose for a few sec so girls can notice me

After posing at a few spots I head to a spot on the dancefloor i had already scouted in advance a few weeks ago

I dont think this spot is great but I think it's a good starting point for someone like me

The spot faces the dancefloor but in a way where no one is behind you and then there's a path exiting the dancefloor right in front of you

My plan was that the spot would allow me to open girls as they exit the dance floor

I was hoping the packed dance floor would provide the anonymity I need to overcome a big issue stopping me from approaching which is the fact that I always feel like im being watched and that if i open a girl and she rejects me everyone around me will see it

Anyways, so i position myself at this spot

There's all these other black guys that have already occupied the area but i simply place myself directly in front of one of them which blocks his view and within 2-3 min the guy behind me and 2-3 other guys leave the area.

This is what i always do when people are in a spot in the club that i want; i simply stand directly in front of them and wait for them to leave which they almost always do quickly since they dont want to spend a long time looking at my back.

So i now am positioned at this spot.

This young black guy is dancing with a fat unattractive badly dressed white girl on my right; it always pains me to see other black guys give attention to these unattractive white girls.

there's something about seeing a fellow black guy who i know could do better settle for a white girl like that who doesn't even put in the effort to dress well.

so there's this guy and then there's a large group of black guys dancing like crazy in a circle of like 10 guys and no girls, there's a really tall black guy who plays on one of the college basketball teams in my city; he's with 2 unattractive black girls and 1 slightly above average girl who's ethnicity im not sure of.

I've been disappointed several times when I've seen the quality of girls college athletes i've seen at the club are with; it seems in my city being college baller does not guarantee high quality.

so I'm just on the dancefloor leaning against a railing, just standing there with low awareness radius.

I'm not dancing and I look a combination of bored,annoyed and slightly angry.

Strangely, this is the vibe that seems to work best for me in clubs.

These 2 asian girls start dancing to my right really close to me, they keep bumping into me.

This black guy moves in to talk to them and one of the girl says to him "that's my boyfriend" speaking of me as she bumps into me.

When she does this i look at her but its so dark that I cannot really tell what she looks like except that she is asian, short and not fat.

These 2 girls kept dancing near me and bumping into me several times for like 10-20 min.

Several black guys opened them during that time and eventually they both just left.

The fucked up thing is I really like asian girls and they like me.

I lost my virginity to an asian girl and the closest I ever came to feeling love for any girl was also another asian girl.

To me the right Asian girls have the most beautiful faces.

Unfortunately, I have massive issues approaching, when these 2 girls where bumping into me I never even thought about talking to them; i just kept ignoring them hoping they would open me.

After these 2 asian girls left, 2-3 more girls came and just stood directly near me and i just ignored them hoping they would open me.

t's embarrassing really but thats been my problem for years.

If i could fuck just 10% of the girls who hover near me in clubs like these girls did, my sex life would be great.

Another thing I remember about tonight is these 2 black guys kept trying to talk to me saying how i looked like one of them.

I have no interest at all in interacting with men when i go clubbing so I always find it very annoying when guys come up to me.

Another thing I want to note is that dance floor game has one major issue i already dont like which is other guys constantly in your personal space and bumping into you as they dance or move around; I hate having men in my personal space but the dance floor is inherently crowded to the point you by default have people in your personal space.

What Is My Plan Going Forward?

I need to go out early enough tomorrow to have time to do the gunwitch exercise that helps me approach.

My gut tells me dancefloor game can eventually work well for me so I'll be on the dancefloor a lot tomorrow as well.
 

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Space Monkey
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Update #4

Date:
Saturday, November 16th, 2019

Style: Night Game

NoFap Staus: I last released to porn at 12:30 AM and 12:57 AM on Thursday November 14th

Pregame: I spent 12 min at 12:25 AM thinking (without paper) and coming up with a gameplan for tonight

Clothing: high end/nicest clothes i own

Details:

I arrived at the club at 1:02 AM

As soon as i walk in as I'm walking, i feel someone pushing me from behind.

I dont look back and just push back but harder.

A few steps later, the person pushes again like they are trying to walk by me

I turn around and its this girl I fucked back in May.

She had approached me while i was standing at the bar and around 30 min later we where fucking.

This girl is the hottest girl i ever fucked for sure, I consider her a 6.5 because she has one major flaw

she has a massive tattoo on her back and i absolutely hate tattoos

it's my biggest turn off by far, if she didn't have that tattooo to me she would be a 7.5 or even an 8 maybe even more actually.

I remember once i ran into her at another club and she was in this outfit that really showed off her ass and legs and i was shocked by how hot she looked that night.

We had great sexual chemistry and she started crying after we fucked because she said she really liked me but knew by my vibe/attitude i was just looking for a one night stand.

We actually ended up meeting again after that night but unfortunately in the end things did not end well between us.

Looking back now she was a really nice girl and seemed for some reason to really like me instantly, I probably would have kept seeing her but honestly tattoos are that big a deal for me; I could never keep any sort of ongoing relationship with a girl with tattoos.

so I notice its her pushing me so i stop and let her walk by and never saw her again tonight.

As always, I walk in and slowly walk around the whole club posing 3-4 times at high visibility spots so girls can notice me

After that I head to the dancefloor.

I had come up with a plan tonight to do the gunwitch excersise on the dancefloor and see what happens but weirdly the club was already dead tonight when i got in so not enough girls on the dancefloor to really do the excersise

So i end up doing what i always do, I stand with very aloof body language like I'm better then everyone and wait hoping girls will approach me

I do this for 25 min and no girl approached me but I do remember a blatant/clear approach invitation when this girl came and stood directly next to me then turned and just stared at me before walking away when i just ignored her hoping she would open me

After around 25 min of standing on the dancefloor i decide to walk to go to the washroom,

So I'm in the washroom drying my hands after washing them, the way the washrooms are in this club, its open
and the girls bathroom is right besides and they can see you as you dry your hands.

As I'm drying my hands, this attractive brunette is walking towards me and she just stares at me the whole way,
she is holding eye contact for like 5 sec and only breaks it when she enters the girls bathroom...

She had a sexy but nerdy look that i like, hot but with glasses....to me it was clear that she liked me so i decide to wait near the washroom for her to come out

Maybe that was a bad move but i was thinking that her level of interest was so high that any points i would lose by waiting near the washrooms would not be a big deal

So I'm standing near the exit waiting for her for like 8-15 min.

As I'm waiting for her I can honestly say that the vast majority of girls who walked by would make clear eye contact and some would make eye contact and smile at me.

Sometimes when i hit the right combination of vibe (by far the most important aspect) + looks (less important for me)....sometimes when i get the right combination of these 2 things, i will experience periods in the club where it literally feels like every girl in the club is showing me signs of interest

Anyways, 8-15 min later she comes out of the washrooms and i walk directly up to her face to face and I dont really remember what i said...something like "i saw you when you went in, you're very attractive i was waiting for you"....something like that...she doesnt say anything and just keeps walking...she never really stopped walking.....so i grab her hand and (lightly) try to pull her towards me as say something like "come talk to me"....she resists and tries to say something but she's like stuttering almost like she is speechless, i let go of her hand and she walks away.

This rejection seemed to destroy the nice vibe i had going before.

First, i almost got in a fight when i violently pushed this half black guy who bumped me as i was about to walk by him.

Secondly, I went from feeling like every girl was looking at me before the rejection to feeling pretty much invisible after.

Towards the end of the night I did have this hot brunette who came up to me and she's like "is this the coat check line?" as she's smiling...she did this even though it was clear by the people in line where the coat check line was...and then after she got her coat as she's walking by she's like "thank you".....i dont consider this type of behaviour a blatant sign of interest but i would say 70% she was interested and 30% chance she was just drunk and acting stupid.

thats pretty much it.

Terrible night.

What Is My Plan Going Forward?

I'm going to focus on daygame for the next 5 days.

My plan for now is to do nightgame only on weekends and daygame during the week

I've been doing nightgame for so many years and the results have been awaful, im hoping daygame will be better for me.

Also, next weekend when i do nightgame I need to get there way earlier, I seem to have better nights recently when I'm in the club for the full
4 hours as supposed to only the last hour like i did this week.
 

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Space Monkey
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Update #5

Date:
Friday, December 7th, 2019

Style: Night Game

NoFap Staus: I last released to porn at 11:47 PM on Wednesday December 4th

Pregame: I spent 15 min thinking on paper before going out and coming up with a gameplan for tonight

Clothing: winter jacket inside

Details:

I was inside the club at 1:30 AM and clubs here close at 2 AM.

My gameplan was to do the gunwitch staring drill and approach girls who show interest.

The club was pretty dead when i got there so it was not until 1:48 AM when people started leaving that I had enough girls walk by me to do the drill.

I had only 1 girl who showed any real interest.

I saw her walking towards me, i checked her out blatantly and she slowed down, made eye contact, gave this kind of small smile and kept walking.

I unfortunately was not able to open her.

Thats pretty much it, not much else happened.

Tomorrow i will go out earlier and my vibe should be better so i expect more interest from girls.

I'm also planning to do some daygame later today though I'm not sure if i will write a field report about that.
 

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Hello bro, I have just read your journal and I found it quite interesting. There are definitely some good things going on there and I feel that your breakthrough might not be far away. I hope you are open to some observations slash constructive criticism.

I get a vibe that you are quite focused on making things certain things happen in certain ways while a bit dismissive of things that don't fit your scenario. E.g. annoyed when guys talk to you. What I propose is a more holistic approach where instead of just going for the lay you consider what Chase calls "value". How you provide value can be many ways -- if for example you were famous then hanging out with you would be a status boost and thus provide her with value. Or if for example you are easygoing and charming and go out of your way to make another comfortable in a group then you are providing value. Another way you can provide value is leadership or getting rid of undesired hangers on on behalf of a group. Or by knowing the bouncers or bar staff and getting priority service. Or by being funny or teasing her in the right way. Many ways really, some of the ways I mentioned might sound more beta and some more alpha. But the point is for a girl to be receptive to you she needs to feel that her life or her evening would be better with you in it. If on the other hand she feels you are out there with one purpose and it is to lay something, then that is more like value taking. In your situation I would focus on giving value first and getting laid second.

Another matter to consider is attainability. You say girls are constantly loitering near by and this says they think you might have some value or status. So what you need to do in such case is try to appear really down to earth, genuine and available, lest they think you are "out of their price range" and give up on you quickly. So you say hi in a relaxed way, with a genuine smile, ask about her (showing a genuine interest communicates that you do not see yourself as being above her, even if she does a bit), and try some attainability tools such as qualifying her -- basically if you explain why it is that you like her and want to spend time with her she will understand that even if you are higher status than her it does not matter.

I recommend Chase's ebooks and articles for a fuller discussion of those matters.

Feel free to shout out if you need advice.

cheers, Ray
 

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Update #6

Date:
Friday, December 14th, 2019

Style: Night Game

NoFap Staus: I last released to porn 3 times in a period of just under 4 hours on Thursday December 12th with 3rd and last release at 3:52 AM.

Pregame: I spent around 40 min thinking on paper before going out and coming up with a gameplan for tonight

Clothing: white long sleeve shirt

Details:

I was inside the club at 12:57 AM

As always, the first thing I do is slowly walk around the entire club.

Usually after doing this I find a high visibility spot where i can stand.

Usually i position myself somewhere i can be seen that is not on the dancefloor.

Tonight i decided to actually stand somewhere on the dancefloor.

So I positioned myself at a high visibility spot on the dancefloor.

My vibe as always is extremely aloof, arrogant and even angry.

I'm literally standing on the dancefloor, alone with this super arrogant vibe.

Within minutes of being on the dancefloor I have 2-3 separate groups of girls dancing unnecessarily close to me.

They dance and dance and keep getting closer and closer.

Its 1 hour before closing so its not packed, theres no reason for any of these girls to be so close to me.

So as always I'm completely ignoring all these girls hoping they will approach me.

Suddenly some black guy invades my personal space and tries to talk me.

Me: i dont know you, do not come that close to me

random black guy: I'm just trying to say "what up"

Me: I dont care, i do not want to talk to you, stay away from me

This guy again takes a step towards me and touches me on the shoulder and leans in to try to talk me

Now I'm getting angry so I turn to face him

Me: do not touch me again

A random bouncer walking by notices the situation and asks the guy to leave

I return to my spot on the dancefloor and notice that all the girls that where hovering near me have now dissapeared and moved away from me so i guess they saw me get angry at that black guy and got turned off.

I continue to stand on the dancefloor by myself confident that if i just get back to my aloof vibe new girls will come on the dancefloor and be drawn towards me.

I was right.

After 4-7 min where there was empty space all around me on the dancefloor, new girls have again invaded my area and started dancing unnecessarily close to me.

I ignore them completelly hoping they will approach me.

Eventually this couple comes near me and they start dancing very sexually, i become self conscious and decide to take a break and go to the washrooms.

In had been on the dancefloor for around 20 min at this time.

So i go take a piss and return after 10 min to the same spot.

I adopt my same aloof vibe and body language and a few min later i feel someone tapping me lighltly on the side.

I know this is a girl but i pretend not to notice her to make her work harder to get my attention.

After a few a seconds she taps me again more forcefully.

I turn and see that she is my type.

Short, curvy and caramel skin.

I'm not sure what ethnicity she was but she was not white.

Caramel Skin Girl = I'm not hitting on you....blah blah blah

With the music blasting the only thing i heard from what she said was "im not hitting on you"

whatever she said after that i have no idea.

So she says something and then stands next to me mimicking my body language.

I turn back to face the dancefloor and just ignore her

Caramel skin girl = You're not gone dance to your favorite song....blah blah blah

Again, i only hear part of what she says because of the music

Me: i cannot hear anything you're saying

She gets this sad look on her face and immediately walks away

Looking back now I'm not sure what i should have done

She started the interaction by saying "I'm not hitting on you" which to me meant she was just an attention whore so from the start i was already kind of annoyed

Anyways, after she leaves the random black guy from the start comes back again and tries to talk to me

I felt a strong urge to punch this guy but he did not touch me this time at all so if i had attacked him i would have been completely at fault

So i just ignore him as he talks and he walks away after like 2 min

After that the couple dancing sexually again came near me so i decide to leave the the dance floor for good and went to another spot in the club.

I attempted to do the gunwitch exercise at this new spot but i was in a weird mood and did not feel like it so i kind of just stood there and left when the club closed at 2 AM.

As i left the club, this black guy i had gotten into a fight with 3-4 years ago at another club kind of tried to push his way past me so i shoved him back harder, he turns around and he's like "relax", i'm like "fuck you".

so yeah at the end of the night i was in a weird mood.

Thats it.

The positive for tonight is i learned that standing on the dancefloor works to draw girls to me.

In fact it seemed to work even better then when i stand off the dancefloor.

So i will continue to do that.

The bad news of course is that as always i can draw girls to me but i dont approach so doesn't really help me get laid.

What Is My Plan Going Forward?

I've been experimenting with daygame the past few days and i will continue to do that.

For nightclubs, I'm not sure what im going to do next.

I'll need to sit down and do some thinking and come up with a plan.

I think i should test peacoking and see if it gets more girls to open

Since I can consistently draw girls towards me, maybe with peacocking more of these girls will feel comfortable going further and actually open me
 

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My vibe as always is extremely aloof, arrogant and even angry.
Why is it you're going for this, exactly?

Caramel Skin Girl = I'm not hitting on you....blah blah blah

With the music blasting the only thing i heard from what she said was "im not hitting on you"

whatever she said after that i have no idea.

So she says something and then stands next to me mimicking my body language.

I turn back to face the dancefloor and just ignore her

Caramel skin girl = You're not gone dance to your favorite song....blah blah blah

Again, i only hear part of what she says because of the music

Me: i cannot hear anything you're saying

She gets this sad look on her face and immediately walks away

Looking back now I'm not sure what i should have done
Okay, this is something.

It's RARE that girls open the guy. Just like guys, they don't want to get rejected.

Unfortunately, you rejected her (in her mind).

You literally ignored her, repeatedly lol. She came up to you, and basically asked you to dance, dude. Instead of giving her any sort of warmth or pulling her into you.... or really just acknowledging her, you just remain super aloof.

Why didn't you ask her a question and join her in conversation? Yes, I know you couldn't hear her, but that's one of the benefits of clubs! Now, because you can't hear her, you have all the grounds to pull her into you, get closer, and talk in her ear. Bitches love that shit!

Her saying "you're not gonna dance to your favorite song" was her acknowledging that you're standing here, not dancing, and you should be trying to have some more fun. With her! Haha. Try opening yourself up a little bit more man! You're pushing way too much, and not doing any pulling. Read up to understand the push/pull dynamic a little better.

Had you asked her how her night was going, what her name was, or maybe just smiled at her and started to dance, she would have stayed engaged. Because you outright ignored her, she now thinks "he's not talking to me when I tried to talk to him. he doesn't like me, I should leave", and then she darts off.



It sounds like you have some value that girls are into. Now try to figure out how they can feel you're interested in them.
 

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Why is it you're going for this, exactly?


Okay, this is something.

It's RARE that girls open the guy. Just like guys, they don't want to get rejected.

Unfortunately, you rejected her (in her mind).

You literally ignored her, repeatedly lol. She came up to you, and basically asked you to dance, dude. Instead of giving her any sort of warmth or pulling her into you.... or really just acknowledging her, you just remain super aloof.

Why didn't you ask her a question and join her in conversation? Yes, I know you couldn't hear her, but that's one of the benefits of clubs! Now, because you can't hear her, you have all the grounds to pull her into you, get closer, and talk in her ear. Bitches love that shit!

Her saying "you're not gonna dance to your favorite song" was her acknowledging that you're standing here, not dancing, and you should be trying to have some more fun. With her! Haha. Try opening yourself up a little bit more man! You're pushing way too much, and not doing any pulling. Read up to understand the push/pull dynamic a little better.

Had you asked her how her night was going, what her name was, or maybe just smiled at her and started to dance, she would have stayed engaged. Because you outright ignored her, she now thinks "he's not talking to me when I tried to talk to him. he doesn't like me, I should leave", and then she darts off.



It sounds like you have some value that girls are into. Now try to figure out how they can feel you're interested in them.
Why is it you're going for this, exactly?

the super aloof vibe draws the most and hottest girls to me.

it gets the most and hottest girls to hover near me trying to get my attention.


It's RARE that girls open the guy. Just like guys, they don't want to get rejected.

I've actually had girls open me probably 200-400 times since i started going clubbing.

keep in mind I go clubbing a lot; 2-7 times a week since 2013.


Unfortunately, you rejected her (in her mind).

You literally ignored her, repeatedly lol. She came up to you, and basically asked you to dance, dude. Instead of giving her any sort of warmth or pulling her into you.... or really just acknowledging her, you just remain super aloof.

Why didn't you ask her a question and join her in conversation? Yes, I know you couldn't hear her, but that's one of the benefits of clubs! Now, because you can't hear her, you have all the grounds to pull her into you, get closer, and talk in her ear. Bitches love that shit!

Her saying "you're not gonna dance to your favorite song" was her acknowledging that you're standing here, not dancing, and you should be trying to have some more fun. With her! Haha. Try opening yourself up a little bit more man!

are you sure about this?

Why would she start the interaction by saying "I'm not hitting on you" if she actually liked me?

After she said that i assumed she was just an attention whore who wasting my time and had no real interest in fucking me


You're pushing way too much, and not doing any pulling. Read up to understand the push/pull dynamic a little better.

I actually think you might be on to something here.

Another member on this forum said i need to work on attainability which i think is similar to what you mean here.

i will read that article; thanks for the suggestion.


Had you asked her how her night was going, what her name was,

Are you sure about this?

Again, she started the interaction by saying "im not hitting on you"

you think after she says that i should start asking her questions?

isn't her saying that like her basically saying "i do not want to fuck you" ?


or maybe just smiled at her and started to dance, she would have stayed engaged.

I NEVER smile or dance in nightclubs.

I noticed that whenever i smiled less girls seemed to show interest in me.

Regarding dancing, every time I've danced in the club I've noticed significantly less interest from girls those nights.


It sounds like you have some value that girls are into. Now try to figure out how they can feel you're interested in them.

makes sense.

thank you for taking the time to write this post and try to help me.
 

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Update #7

Date:
Saturday, December 15th, 2019

Style: Night Game

NoFap Staus: I last released to porn 3 times in a period of just under 4 hours on Thursday December 12th with 3rd and last release at 3:52 AM.

Pregame: I spent around 40 min thinking on paper before going out and coming up with a gameplan for tonight

Clothing: white long sleeve shirt

Details:

I walked into the club at 1:28 AM.

As i was doing my usual parading the whole club i almost got into a fight with this fat black guy after i accidentally bumped into him as he was standing near some stairs causing him to fall down the stairs.

After slowly walking around the whole club I went to the dancefloor and looked for a good spot to post up.

Unfortuantely, the good spot on the dance floor was being crowded by all these brown guys so I had to wait like 5-10 min before a good spot opened up.

Once i was situated i did my usual super aloof body language.

Unfortunately, within minutes of being posted up, this couple started dancing very sexually near me causing me to feel self conscious.

Looking back now I should have immediately left and gone to a different spot in the club but at the time i was worried i was running out of time since the club close at 2 AM.

so i did my best to ignore the couple and maintain my extremelly aloof body language.

I was still able to draw girls to me as i always do with this vibe but my vibe was not as strong as yesterday because i felt uncomfortable with the couple dancing near me.

A few min before the club closed i almost got into another fight with this black guy when he bumped into me as he walked by, tried to apologize and i gave him an annoyed look. so he comes back and he's like "i said sorry"...im like " i dont care, keep it moving"

he points to his friends and goes to them basically to bring them back to confront me as a group.

I call him a bitch for getting his friends and he starts saying that he doesnt care because he "fucks a lot of bitches"

His friends kind of stand there not really saying or doing much and then the lights come on and the club is closed.

thats pretty much it.

What Is My Plan Going Forward?

I will be doing daygame for the next 5 days.

Right now, i only do nightclubs on the weekends and daygame the rest of the week.

Also, next week i NEED to make absolutely sure that im inside the club by 12:30 AM at the latest; I do not think that these nights where i show up for the last 30 min are helping me.

Also, going forward if a couple ever comes near me to start dancing sexually or make out, I need to immediately leave the area and find a different spot. It's hard for me to maintain an attractive vibe when couples are doing these things close to me.
 

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Hey SNV,
I adopt my same aloof vibe and body language and a few min later i feel someone tapping me lighltly on the side.
I know this is a girl but i pretend not to notice her to make her work harder to get my attention.
After a few a seconds she taps me again more forcefully.
I turn and see that she is my type.
Short, curvy and caramel skin.
I'm not sure what ethnicity she was but she was not white.
Caramel Skin Girl = I'm not hitting on you....blah blah blah
With the music blasting the only thing i heard from what she said was "im not hitting on you"
whatever she said after that i have no idea.
So she says something and then stands next to me mimicking my body language.
I turn back to face the dancefloor and just ignore her
Caramel skin girl = You're not gone dance to your favorite song....blah blah blah
Again, i only hear part of what she says because of the music
Me: i cannot hear anything you're saying
She gets this sad look on her face and immediately walks away
Looking back now I'm not sure what i should have done
She started the interaction by saying "I'm not hitting on you" which to me meant she was just an attention whore so from the start i was already kind of annoyed
She was probably hitting on you!! Why would she open you and then bring THIS subject if she was not interested?? To open you that way she must have been thinking that she could maybe do it (hit on you), that thought means that she is a least somewhat a bit interested, dont you think?
Imho, she said that she was not hitting on you to be playful and give herself an excuse to actually hit on you!

So I positioned myself at a high visibility spot on the dancefloor.
My vibe as always is extremely aloof, arrogant and even angry.
I'm literally standing on the dancefloor, alone with this super arrogant vibe.
[...]
I ignore them completelly hoping they will approach me.
Hmmm, dont you find that, that kind of behavior is exactly like a bitchy hot girl? Exactly like a girl playing hard to get and super cool to get approached by hot men? Could it be that you are seeking for validation? It's a bit ironic since your username is "SexNotValidation" -wich I guess represents your disgust about those girls who do "validation whoring"- and you are doing exactly that. Although it sure works and you can get laid by doing that BUT you need to be willing to allow people to talk to you... if you dont allow girls to talk to you, how will they feel allowed to have sex with you??

Now my advice would be this : * BE OPEN - adopt open-body language; don't be angry nor bitter, allow others to interact with you and reward them for doing that by providing good feelings, don't assume they are looking for you to validate them.
* To know whether girls are just validation seeking or they are actually interested in you: ASK FOR COMPLIANCE; ie move them around, ask her to tell you something intimate about her, ask her to do something for you etc -it must be calibrated though-. If she doesnt complies you know she isnt interested in that moment and you can move on.

Hope this helps,
Klimax
 

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the super aloof vibe draws the most and hottest girls to me.

it gets the most and hottest girls to hover near me trying to get my attention.


I've actually had girls open me probably 200-400 times since i started going clubbing.

keep in mind I go clubbing a lot; 2-7 times a week since 2013
To get their attention, sure. That works for you how you're doing it (to get them hovering near you). Good.

You have to tone it down once you've got their attention though. The "high value aloof guy" thing works in the beginning, but most of the time you're going to have to bring it down and give the girl some level of attention and validation.

Of these girls who's attention you've gotten, or drawn near you, the number you're saying (200-400) also being a pretty large spread, how many have you fucked?

Why would she start the interaction by saying "I'm not hitting on you" if she actually liked me?

After she said that i assumed she was just an attention whore who wasting my time and had no real interest in fucking me
Why are you taking what a girl says at face value? That's rarely how girls communicate.

One core element of flirting is to show interest in someone without explicitly showing interest in them. She showed interest with her actions, and did the opposite with her words.

Implicitly showing attraction without explicitly saying she's interested is literally what flirting is, most of the time.

Lol. If a girl said "I don't want to fuck you" while grabbing your dick and smiling, would you think she's just being an attention whore too?
 

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Hey SNV,


She was probably hitting on you!! Why would she open you and then bring THIS subject if she was not interested?? To open you that way she must have been thinking that she could maybe do it (hit on you), that thought means that she is a least somewhat a bit interested, dont you think?
Imho, she said that she was not hitting on you to be playful and give herself an excuse to actually hit on you!


Hmmm, dont you find that, that kind of behavior is exactly like a bitchy hot girl? Exactly like a girl playing hard to get and super cool to get approached by hot men? Could it be that you are seeking for validation? It's a bit ironic since your username is "SexNotValidation" -wich I guess represents your disgust about those girls who do "validation whoring"- and you are doing exactly that. Although it sure works and you can get laid by doing that BUT you need to be willing to allow people to talk to you... if you dont allow girls to talk to you, how will they feel allowed to have sex with you??

Now my advice would be this : * BE OPEN - adopt open-body language; don't be angry nor bitter, allow others to interact with you and reward them for doing that by providing good feelings, don't assume they are looking for you to validate them.
* To know whether girls are just validation seeking or they are actually interested in you: ASK FOR COMPLIANCE; ie move them around, ask her to tell you something intimate about her, ask her to do something for you etc -it must be calibrated though-. If she doesnt complies you know she isnt interested in that moment and you can move on.

Hope this helps,
Klimax
She was probably hitting on you!! Why would she open you and then bring THIS subject if she was not interested?? To open you that way she must have been thinking that she could maybe do it (hit on you), that thought means that she is a least somewhat a bit interested, dont you think?
Imho, she said that she was not hitting on you to be playful and give herself an excuse to actually hit on you!

I see your point and I agree that she must have had some interest in me.

I guess i was so cold to her because i actually get girls approaching me regularly that seem to have no interest.

Girls will come up to me and say things like:

"are you ok?"

"smile"

"why are you not dancing?"

"you're just going to stand there all night"

I've NEVER fucked any girl who started an interaction with me by making a comment that implies that something I'm doing is wrong like the comments i just listed

When this girl said "im not hitting on you", it reminded me of the girls in the past who make the comments i just listed so i assumed she was just another timewaster.

I also suspect that im not very good at understanding sub communication and subtle social cues; I think its probably a big reason why i struggle to get laid so much.


Hmmm, dont you find that, that kind of behavior is exactly like a bitchy hot girl? Exactly like a girl playing hard to get and super cool to get approached by hot men?

I've never thought about that.

I've heard of the so called "bitch shield" but i always assumed a girl did that because she was not attracted to the guy physically and this was her way of making him go away.

I never looked at the bitch shield as the girl playing hard to get, i looked at it as the girl telling the guy to go away because she did not find him physically attractive.

Could it be that you are seeking for validation?

This actually made me think a lot the past 2 days.

I think you might be on to something.

Why do i enjoy going clubbing so much even though i almost never get laid?

I've been thinking about this question a lot since you made this post.

I think part of me really enjoys having all the girls who come and hover near me which i think gives me validation that I'm attractive which is why i enjoy going clubbing even though im not getting laid.

It's a bit ironic since your username is "SexNotValidation" -wich I guess represents your disgust about those girls who do "validation whoring"- and you are doing exactly that.

My username was inspired by a seducer named goodlookingloser who had this theory that approach anxiety was only an issue guys who where in pickup for validation instead of sex had to deal with.

He used to say "the moment you care more about sex then validation you will no longer have approach anxiety"

My username is an attempt to constantly remind myself that I'm in this community to get sex not validation.

Although it sure works and you can get laid by doing that BUT you need to be willing to allow people to talk to you... if you dont allow girls to talk to you, how will they feel allowed to have sex with you??

I cannot really stop anyone from talking to me so I'm not really sure what you mean here.

Now my advice would be this : * BE OPEN - adopt open-body language; don't be angry nor bitter,

Last time i tested this aspect I discovered I got significantly more girls hovering near me with super arrogant body language compared to a more happy positive demeanor.

But i should probably test this again since its been years now since i tested a more happy/positive demeanor in clubs.

allow others to interact with you and reward them for doing that by providing good feelings,

My understanding is that i need to make the girl horny for her to want to fuck me so not sure what you mean exactly when you say "provide good feelings"?

how exactly does someone provide good feelings in a nightclubs and how does that help me get laid in this environment?

do you mean things like making the girl laugh?

To know whether girls are just validation seeking or they are actually interested in you: ASK FOR COMPLIANCE; ie move them around, ask her to tell you something intimate about her, ask her to do something for you etc -it must be calibrated though-. If she doesnt complies you know she isnt interested in that moment and you can move on.

Ok i will keep this in mind next time a girl opens me in a nightclub.

Hope this helps,

Yes this was probably the most thought provoking comment someone has left since I joined this forum.

thank you for taking the time to write this and try to hep me.
 

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Dude, you have so much potential lol.

Clearly you're quite fucking attractive to women, based on what you just described.
is that not incongruent?

They are drawn to me because of the super aloof/arrogant vibe so I'm assuming i need to keep that vibe the entire interaction or it will incongruent and they will lose interest?

am i wrong to assume this?
So... congruency was a sticking point for me too. It can be a bit hard to really understand at first. You're showing one side of yourself with the aloof thing. But you're a man. You're a man with more than just a one-dimensional, aloof guy at the club personality. You have to let your range for emotions glow, when in the appropriate context.

The type of girls you're attracting are likely into guys who show this: they don't give their emotional investment to everybody - if they give you something, you better appreciate it.

If you keep up that frame (your time is precious) then you're still being congruent. If she does something that's actually rude (like be demanding, create jealousy plot lines, flake on you, fuck your friend) then you stop giving them any attention or validation. You're allowed to reward good behavior, then cut it off when the good / neutral behavior stops.

Until you've met the girl and engaged with her a little bit, or even just noticed how gorgeous / sexy she is, what do you have to qualify her on? Of course you're aloof.. no one has piqued your interest yet.... but then... you meet HER. She's the sexiest bitch in the club, and you're interested. For her, you'll show that. Because she's special.

That's congruent.

If instead, you just never, ever reward good behavior, they will eject... because they thought they had a chance with you, but you never rewarded it... so they leave. Girls get even more upset than guys when they get rejected (which, to them, not rewarding their behavior = rejection).... this is part of understanding women my friend (=

I've had 200-400 girls approach me.

I've fucked only 5 girls from nightclubs in my life and as you can see all 5 approached me and 4 of the 5 was this year.
That's 1% to 2.5% of the girls that have approached you.

Let's work on getting that ratio up. You could do a lot better.


Do you have any specific openers you recommend i use on the girls who hover near me when im acting super arrogant/aloof in nightclubs?
One of my favorites, "if you're going to flirt with me like that.... you should at least say "hi" first... ;) "

I could also see something along the lines of "well... don't you look fun" or "what is YOUR name?" going pretty decent for you.

I think im bad at understanding the way girls communicate
Yes, I think you may have an understanding of women that isn't conducive to your success.

That's okay. You change your behaviors, you hit new thresholds, arrangements, and levels with women, and your attitudes will change, too.

to be 100% honest,if a girl did exactly that, it would depend what else she did, if she did that and then kept walking then i would assume she was an attention whore and just ignore her.

If she did that while being stationary and standing in front of me then honestly im not sure what i would think since im not sure what it means, i would probably freeze up as I think of what it means and what to do.

are you saying in this scenario the girl 100% wants to fuck? because its not clear to me

I actually once had this white girl who grabbed my dick, said something about me being hot and then just stood there.

I was not sure what to do so i just looked at her.

After a few seconds she got this horrifying look on her face and said "you dont think im hot"....i mumbled something like "you look good" and she immediately left the club.
XD

I laughed out loud at this, sorry.

You literally just explained, nearly verbatim, a girl getting rejected by you (in her mind).

I know that it's easy to freeze up when you don't know what to do... boy have I been there before...

When you do nothing, you are not validating the girl. You're not qualifying her. She feels like she's not good enough for you ("you don't think I'm hot").

Study up on qualifying. You need it.


Is Qualifying Women Really That Important?
How to Qualify a Girl and Ramp Up Attraction
 
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Update #8

Date:
Tuesday, December 31st, 2019

Style: Night Game

NoFap Staus: last released to porn at 3:01 AM today (21 min). Last fap to 95% today at 11:41 PM (25 min, precum)

Reasoning Behind Fap Routine:

Back in July, I was standing near a club exit, this girl walks up to me and says "can you help me find my friends?", i can instantly tell by looking at her body language and demeanor that she is extremely horny, i go in for the the kiss then grab her hand to go outside and we are fucking in the streets/alley within 2 min of meeting.

Later that night i made sure to write down everything i had done in the 12-24 hours before meeting this girl so in the future i could recreate that same vibe and body chemistry and hopefully get the same result.

Everything I did in the past 12-24 hours before arriving at the club tonight was an attempt to recreate the body chemistry and vibe that got me that fast lay in July.

Sleep: woke up at 8:15 PM after 10 hours and 41 min of sleep

Gym: 2x5 bench and squat, circuit style, as heavy as possible, 12:21 PM on Monday December 30th.

Gum Status: no gum when posted up on dancefloor. no gum during gunwitch exercise.

I've actually noticed that chewing gum has a noticeable effect on the vibe I project when clubbing so im going to start tracking this.

Pregame: I spent around 40 min thinking on paper before going out and coming up with a gameplan for tonight

Clothing: white long sleeve shirt

Details:

I walked into the club at 12:56 AM

I had intended to get there by 12:30 AM but some unforeseen issues came up that delayed my arrival

Surprisingly for new years eve this club was not crazy busy.

I've seen it busier on normal weekend nights then tonight.

As always, first thing i do is slowly walk around the entire club so girls notice me.

I pause 3-4 times at various locations and then i go post up at a high visibility spot on the dancefloor.

My plan for tonight was to post up on the dancefloor until 1:45 AM and then from 1:45 AM to 2 AM/closing i do the gunwitch looking exercise.

That's pretty much what i ended up doing.

When i first walked in on the dancefloor it was very crowded and nowhere for me to post up and be seen.

So i left the dancefloor and went and sat down for a few min and then went to washroom.

Around 10 min later i returned and a good spot had opened up.

I usually chew gum but tonight i went with no gum so my vibe was not as arrogant as usual.

It's hard to describe the vibe i had tonight, usually its extremely arrogant and aloof like I'm thinking "wtf am i doing here with all these losers?", the vibe tonight i would say was more like "wtf am i doing here, this is so boring".

So im posted up with the above vibe and within a few min these 3 white girls have invaded my personal space.

They are dancing super sexual with each other next to me on the left.

I ignore them completely.

They move and try dancing more within my line of sight, i continue to ignore.

At one point one of them literally bumps into me; i continue to ignore.

Then this short black guy jumps in and tries dancing with one of them from behind, she rejects him instantly, he tries a 2nd girl in the same group, the first girl grabs her hand and pull her away from him, he goes and grabs the 3rd girl in the group and starts to kind of force a dance while grabbing her hand, the first girl pulls this girl away from him as well, the guy yells "fuuuck" loudly enough for me to hear even with the music, it was a pretty funny scene thinking back now. weird strategy by this guy to go after girls in the same group one after the other.

So anyways after this black guy scared away those 3 white girls, a group of guys invaded my area blocking my line of sight so i left the dancefloor for a few min and walked around before returning.

When i returned on the dancefloor, 2 of the previous 3 white girls again came and started hovering near me, the 3rd girl had found a guy by then, some tall but nerdy looking guy who had light skin but was not white, looked turkish or persian.

so the 2 girls are hovering near me, this brown guy goes in to dance with them, one girl instantly pulls the girl away and they leave the dancefloor, that was it for these girls, i dont think i saw them again after that.

After these girls left, the dancefloor was pretty empty by then, i notice to my right this black couple making out hardcore and then my area has again kind of been invaded by guys so with these 2 things i decide my time on the dancefloor is over for the night.

I exit the dancefloor and go to the spot where i usually do the gunwitch excersise

gunwitch excersise = look at girls and imagine what you would do to them sexually and try to get as horny as possible and this horniness will help overcome AA

I start doing the exercise at 1:40 AM

The gunwitch excersise is the only thing pretty much that has ever helped me with AA

The problem is that it's hard to find a place in the club to do this exercise

The only spot clear enough to get a good look at girls is in the halls between levels in the club

And i"ve already been called out by staff at this club for standing around in the halls

That's why i have not been doing the gunwitch exercise even though it's helped me approach before

so i tried doing the exercise today but it was hard because i was too self conscious and worried that staff would be wondering
"wtf is this guy just doing in the halls?"

I never got horny while doing the exercise so it did not work and i made no approaches.

that's pretty much all for tonight.

How Was Your Vibe Tonight?

Some girls where definitely showing interest and when i posted up on the dancefloor, i was surrounded by girls more often then not while there.

And when i did the looking excersise where i blatantly check girls out, the way girls reacted to being stared at by me was ok, i dont think anyone was creeped out but no one also made eye contact or gave any sort of "i want to fuck you too" vibe and I have had that happen before during this exercise.

I would say tonight was 6 out of 10 for this vibe

If 10 is the most interest ive ever received in a club then tonight was a 6.

For guys,

Too many guys wanted to come and talk to me

No one was hostile but just coming up and asking to shake my hand even though i have never seen them before, that happened like 3-4 times

I have no interest in interacting with guys when i go out so to me any vibe like this that encourages guys to bother me is annoying and makes it hard for me to focus on the girls.

Even my uber drivers where unusually talkative today so again definitely something about my vibe tonight made guys want to talk to me which i find super annoying

Will You Be Testing This Vibe And Body Chemistry Again?

Given that the club was not very busy, it probably makes sense to test tonight's body chemistry and/or vibe again.

I think first i will test it during daygame and depending on how it goes there i will decide to try it again at night on a more busy night.

What Is My Plan Going Forward?

My plan for now is still to go clubbing twice a week on weekends and daygame 5 days a week.

I think i will test different vibes and body chemistry 5 times a week during the day and then use the results from that to prioritize what i test when i go clubbing
 

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Space Monkey
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Update #9

Date:
Friday, January 3rd, 2019

Style: Night Game

Semen Staus: I released at 8:33 PM today (19 min) and then at 11:45 PM, I jerked to 95% with porn (35 min, precum). It should be noted that dick still feels weirdly painful when at hardest near release aka 95%

Sleep: woke up at 6:48 AM after 4-6 hours of sleep (rounded)

Pregame: I spent around 7 min thinking and planning and coming up with a plan for the night

Clothing: white long sleeve shirt

Details:

Tonight I decided to try a tactic i learned from legendary PUA ijjjj

I jerked off and orgasmd then waited 2-3 hours and jerked off again until very close to releasing and then stopped and went clubbing.

ijjj once claimed such a routine gave him an amazing vibe that drew girls to him so i decided to test it tonight.

I was inside the club at 1:28 AM.

I had intended to get there by 12:30 AM but as i have recently I failed to get in the club at the time i intended.

My plan for the night was to post up on the dance floor and try to get girls to approach me until 1:45 AM and then from 1:45 AM until 2 AM/close do the gunwitch looking exercise and hopefully do some approaches myself.

As soon as i walked in, i saw that the club was already super dead.

In fact, I cannot remember ever seeing this club as empty as it was tonight,.

After doing my usual walking around slowly across then entire club, I headed to the dance floor and found a high visibility spot on there.

Usually within 5 min of me being on the dancefloor I will be surrounded by girls hovering near me.

Not tonight.

In fact, for my first 10 min on the dancefloor, not a single girl came near me.

So after 10 min I decide to chew some gum.

My most attractive vibe involves me chewing gum in an extremely arrogant over the top way.

I've recently been experimenting with clubbing with no gum but after 10 min getting no attention on the dance floor i decided to abandon that for the night.

so i turn around with my back to the dancefloor and pull out some gum.

As soon as i turn back to again face the dancefloor, these 3 girls are about to walk by me and as soon as one of them sees me she kind of signals to her friends to stop and they start dancing directly in front of me trying to get my attention.

my first female attention of the night.

I had no intentions to approach on the dancefloor so i just ignore these 3 girls hoping the one who likes me will approach me.

They dance in front of me for a while and eventually leave.

After that I was again getting no attention on the dancefloor for,like 5 min in a row.

And these couples where dancing in a very sexual way near me which makes me self conscious and kills my vibe so I decided to exit the dancefloor for the night at round 1:50 AM.

I went and posted up at a bar.

This short guy walks up to me and asks me to take a picture for them, i refuse.

I never accept requests like that from strangers unless they are super nice and say please.

Then a few min later this tall,chubby,unattractive black girl walks up to me and is like "that's a nice white shirt".

I turn to look who is talking to me, i see she is ugly so I nod at her and immediately look away hoping she will walk away as I dont even want to be seen with a girl like that.

Instead of walking away, she stops near me, keeps just looking at me and is like "are you ok?"

Usually i ignore girls who ask me this question but I needed this girl to get away from me as being seen with her would be negative social proof.

So I again nod at her to indicate that I'm ok and she walks away.

This interaction is when I knew something about my vibe was off tonight.

When ugly girls have the courage to approach me I know something has gone very wrong with my vibe.

After this it was closing time/2 AM and i went and posted up near the exit to do the gunwitch exercise.

But when i got there i was in a weird mood so I ended up just standing near the exit doing nothing.

As I'm posted up near the exit, I hear this female voice say to me "are you ok sir?"

I dont even turn to look at what she looks like, i ignore her completely and she walks away.

that's pretty much it.

How Was Your Vibe Tonight?

i rate my vibe tonight 4/10

I only receive interest from 1 hot girl all night and an ugly girl had the courage to approach me.

The only reason I don't rate tonight even lower is because the club was extremely dead and i was only there for the last 30 min.

Also, i was extremely tired from the lack of sleep.

who knows how my vibe would have been had i been coming off good sleep.

But yeah it seems ejaculating 4 hours before going clubbing seems to negatively affect my vibe

I will try doing this one more time after good sleep on night where the club is full and I'm there for at least 1 hour

regarding guys:

When i arrived at the club outside, the bouncer shook my hand and let me in without checking my id which has never happened before with this guy so my vibe to him made him like and respect me more.

Other guys it was weird.

There was literally 4 different guys in the club tonight that I had previously almost gotten into a fight with.

One of them tried to talk to me but his friend stopped him.

Another guy was aware of my presence but never made eye contact.

One guy made eye contact while kind of smiling as he left the club

and this short guy who I've pretty much humiliated several times in the past

This guy i will always see him almost every weekend and usually he wont even make eye contact with me but tonight he did which surprised me so something about my vibe tonight made him less intimidated/scared of me then usual.

I'm way bigger then this guy so I doubt he would ever confront me alone but at the end of the night I could tell that he was trying to gather some of his friends to confront me outside as i left the club.

It was strange because like i said i see him all the time and it seemed he had come to peace with our past issues but no tonight he seemed out for revenge.

Fortunately, since I go out clubbing a lot alone I'm extremely street smart and I'm very aware of what is going on around me so I just exited the club from another side to avoid having to potentially get attacked by a group when I'm alone.

so thats it.

I cannot remember the last time I experimented with ejaculating right before i go clubbing but after tonight's results it doesn't seem that works.

I will try it one more time before making a final conclusion since i was on low sleep tonight and was only there for 30 min in a dead venue.


What Is My Plan For Saturday Night?

I'm going to get a haircut tomorrow so I will look better then tonight which should help my vibe.

I'm also going to test lifting weights before going out.

I usually try to avoid lifting on the day i go clubbing as I've found it makes me less horny but it's been a long time since i tested that assumption.

I'm hoping to be inside the club by 12:30 AM on Saturday.

I will not ejaculate tonight or saturday before going out but I might jerk off without releasing as part of my test for tomorrow.
 

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Space Monkey
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Update #10

Date:
Saturday, January 4th, 2019

Style: Night Game

Body Chemistry Within 24 Hours Of Arrival At The club

- woke up at 2:39 PM after 10 hours and 12 min of sleep

- 2x5 squat, 2x5 bench, as heavy as possible, circuit style at 6:35 PM

- I did not restrict my eating in any way since waking up, I ate whatever i wanted, whenever i wanted to

- Last meal = MZ Burger x 2 + Starbucks Strawberry Smoothie x1.9 at 9:31 PM

- 5000 iu Vitamin D at 9:52 PM

- 12 min fap, 95%, no precum, at 12:16 AM

Mental Factors

- did my 25 min routine before going out (approval seeking,gratitude,time management,ijjj recordingx2)

- I spent 54 min thinking on paper and coming up with a gameplan which ended at 11:21 PM

Looks

- got a haircut at around 7:45 pm today

- wearing black jeans and long sleeve white gildans shirt

- shaved chest and balls before going out tonight

Results

- I was in the club for around 50 min from 1:19 AM to around 2:10 AM

- If 10 is the most attention I've ever received in a nightclub then I rate my vibe tonight at a 0

- I literally cannot remember a single girl who showed interest in me tonight

- There was these 2 girls who kept dancing near me and even bumping into me a few times; but something about their demeanor was off, i really do not think they where attracted to me, it was more like they where trolling me hoping i would approach so they could reject me.

- I also had girls literally run away from me as i came near them; I wasn't even looking at them or acting in any way like i was going to approach them, i was just walking past them and they literally screamed and ran.

Why Do You Think You Got Tonight's Results?

I'm actually not that surprised that i seemed to not attract any girls tonight.

I've noticed in the past that if i lift weights the same night i go out I get less interest from girls.

Also, this past summer when i started testing the method of jerking off but not cumming before going out, I would experience these weird nights where no girls seemed into me.

So combining lifting weights and jerking off without cumming which are both things I've noticed in the past lower my attractiveness; im not that surprised by tonight's results.

I was hoping combining 2 negatives would produce a positive but at least for tonight it did not.

I'm actually glad I experienced such a bad night because if there are factors that can kill my vibe so much then that means there are factors that can increase my attractiveness just as much.

Are You Planning To Test This Same Vibe Again?

yes because once again i did not spend enough time in the club.

Maybe if i had been in the club for 2 hours i would have come across some hot girls who like the vibe i was giving off tonight.

Yes the club was still busy when i arrived tonight but i spent less then 1 hour inside which is not enough time to make a definitive conclusion on the effectiveness of this vibe.

What Vibe Are You Planning To Test Next For Night Game?

I'm considering a few experiments for next weekend:

- same vibe as tonight but while spending at least 90 min in the club

- same vibe as Friday but with more sleep and at least 90 min in the club

- jerking off with ejaculation 4-5 times in a row on Wednesday and then no jerking off at all Thursday-Saturday to take advantage of the rebound effect I suspect occurs when I ejaculate a lot over a short period of time

Is There Anything Else You Want To Remember About Tonight?

- I found a new spot in the club that I think will be very useful, It's not very crowded and literally everyone in the club has to at some point pass that area so I would be highly visible.

- Not chewing gum does not seem to be working for me so i think it's time to stop that experiment; it's possible had i been chewing gum tonight I would have experienced better results.

- I dont think I will lift weights on the same night i go clubbing anytime soon again, I suspect it was the weights more then the jerking off 1 time without cumming that negatively affected my vibe tonight. But only 55% sure or this.

- No matter how much i tell myself i will be better i keep arriving at the club way too late these past several weeks, what the fuck is wrong with me? I need to fucking be in the club by 12:30 AM at the latest. I need at least 90 min to really test a vibe.

Anything Else?

I just remembered that there was 1 girl who seemed to have a positive reaction to me.

At the end of the night I'm walking and this tall hot brunette is walking directly towards me and she reaches out like she is going to grab my face with 1 hand, she seemed drunk + she was with another (black) guy + i really do not like random people even girls touching me on the face = I assumed she was drunk/high/fucked up and just trolling me for attention so i firmly pushed/deflected her hand before she touched me and kept walking.

I'm pretty sure that's the closest thing to a positive reaction i got from a girl tonight.

I also just remembered that earlier today I went down to the front desk at my hotel and this hot white girl who works there who is usually very extroverted and bubbly seemed almost scared of me.

She could not hold eye contact with me as we spoke and literally seemed scared and in the past she has been the complete opposite, holding eye contact and super outgoing and extroverted.

This was right after I came back from the gym and before i had jerked off.

So this leads me to believe that something about lifting heavy does something to the chemistry of my body that then seems to scare girls.

It should also be noted that i also almost got into a fight at the gym when me and this arabic guy bumped into each other while running on the track, perhaps that incident put me in a very aggressive/hostile mood that i carried with me the rest of the day.
 
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extreme amounts of mental masturbation in the before last post... if you keep doing what you always done you will keep getting the same results....

Chewing gum is a sign of nervousness, i am compulsive gum chewer but never at the club/or on my way to the club, think about it baseball players always chewing to control the nerves.... There is nothing attractive about chewing gum at a club plus what if you need to make out....

You also need to drop the me against the world nasty attitude, the vive in club is either the party boy vive, or the cool james bond vive(@Glow ), but the vives are open vives and no vives that get people to be confrontational with you... The only time i do have issue with dudes is when getting girls from them(which i always try not to, but it happens accidentally sometimes)
 

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Space Monkey
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Gunwitch Exercise/Sexual State Training

Date: Sunday January 5th, 2019

Location: UMRSG

Time: 11:07 AM - 2:02 PM

Body Chemistry In Last 24 Hours

- woke up at 2:39 PM after 10 hours and 12 min of sleep (20 hours and 28 min awake at start of drill)

- 2x5 squat, 2x5 bench, as heavy as possible, circuit style at 6:35 PM (16 hours and 32 min ago)

- I did not restrict my eating in any way since waking up, I ate whatever i wanted, whenever i wanted to

- Last meal = Starbucks Breakfast sandwich x2 + largest lemonade at 8:00 AM (3 hours and 7 min ago)

- Snacks During Session = 3/4 kit kat, 173 calories at 11:48 AM + 2/4 kit kat, 115 calories at 1:06 PM

- 5000 iu Vitamin D at 10:31 AM (36 min ago)

- 12 min fap, 95%, no precum, at 12:16 AM (10 hours 51 min ago)

- 10 min fap, 95%, no precum, at 10:25 AM (42 min ago)

Results

round 1 = 30 min, ng, sweats,0b,25% girls, done at 11;37 AM

round 2 = 40 min, ng, swetas,0b,20% girls, done at 1:02 PM

round 3 = 40 min, ng, sweats, 0b, 25% girls, done at 2:02 PM
 
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