What's new

A Black Man's Pragmatic Approach To Finally Have Sex With A Hot Girl

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
extreme amounts of mental masturbation in the before last post... if you keep doing what you always done you will keep getting the same results....

Chewing gum is a sign of nervousness, i am compulsive gum chewer but never at the club/or on my way to the club, think about it baseball players always chewing to control the nerves.... There is nothing attractive about chewing gum at a club plus what if you need to make out....

You also need to drop the me against the world nasty attitude, the vive in club is either the party boy vive, or the cool james bond vive(@Glow ), but the vives are open vives and no vives that get people to be confrontational with you... The only time i do have issue with dudes is when getting girls from them(which i always try not to, but it happens accidentally sometimes)
\

You are so wrong about chewing gum that I'm not even going to address that and I'll just assume you are trolling me.

Regarding issues with dudes.

This not something new for me.

I've been getting into fights my entire life.

It's not something that's specific to the nightlife.

The first time I got suspended from school for fighting I was not even 10 years old.
 

Skills

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
5,264
\

You are so wrong about chewing gum that I'm not even going to address that and I'll just assume you are trolling me.

Regarding issues with dudes.

This not something new for me.

I've been getting into fights my entire life.

It's not something that's specific to the nightlife.

The first time I got suspended from school for fighting I was not even 10 years old.


^ i knew you would answer like this... have a good day! you are waste of advice, good luck to you!
 

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
^ i knew you would answer like this... have a good day! you are waste of advice, good luck to you!

You've never given me a single piece of practical advice going back to nextasf.

I have no use for any comment from you.

Stay away from my posts.
 

Skills

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
5,264
You've never given me a single piece of practical advice going back to nextasf.

I have no use for any comment from you.

Stay away from my posts.


i will stay away from your post cause i choose to, not cause you are telling me so, however if i see exes mental masturbation coming from your posts such as chewing gum, that other people read, trust me i will jump in, however i stand in agreement that i will definitely will not be helping you, since i doubt you will make any progress with your retarded, girls come to me style and take the masculine role... Finally, advice like open women and the likes will not work on you, cause you refuse to even open sets, with your women come to me style, not even Brent Smith which has the most passive of no chasing style, does such silliness....
 

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
i will stay away from your post cause i choose to, not cause you are telling me so, however if i see exes mental masturbation coming from your posts such as chewing gum, that other people read, trust me i will jump in, however i stand in agreement that i will definitely will not be helping you, since i doubt you will make any progress with your retarded, girls come to me style and take the masculine role... Finally, advice like open women and the likes will not work on you, cause you refuse to even open sets, with your women come to me style, not even Brent Smith which has the most passive of no chasing style, does such silliness....

LOL

what a pathetic display from a man in his 40s.

says "good luck" and then cannot control himself and makes another post less then 1 hour later.

I hope I never behave in such an embarrassing way when I'm your age.
 

Hue

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
Joined
Sep 21, 2016
Messages
1,556
SNV,

You're entitled to do whatever you want on this thread considering it's YOUR journal. If you want to write for 5 years about how this new technique with chewing gum on the right side of your mouth is WAY better than chewing on the left side, by all means, go ahead.

I do hope you don't make petty attempts to bring people down such as insulting a person based on their age anywhere on the forum though. Especially when it's obvious to everyone except you in this situation that Skills here, is trying to help you improve. This is supposed to be an honest safe space for self improvement, where people can have candid conversations about women, pickup, life, and other relevant topics. Please do not try to stir shit up in this space.



Post all you want about your methods and observations. Maybe eventually you'll realize that 95% of women, by nature, are going to respond better to you opening them and then you moving things towards the two of in bed, and that you need to practice, fail, and practice some more to learn the skills to be able to do that. You've also mentioned how you've frozen up in the past even when these women open you and not known what to say. That says to me that there is a huge deficit in other areas, and yet you decide to focus and refine on the most passive methods (if you can even call them that). What you're doing is the bare minimum above inaction.

Like I said though. This is your journal. Do as you wish.
 

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
Update #11

Date:
Friday, January 17th, 2019

Style: Night Game

What Happened Tonight?

Until I can figure out a way to talk to more girls when i go out, i do not think there is any point in writing long detailed posts.

I went out tonight and finally managed to be in the club early at 11:46 PM

Clubs have been pretty dead since new years and tonight that trend continued.

I've been testing hypnosis as a way to improve my ability to talk to girls but I have not initiated an interaction with any girl in a club since i started doing hypnosis.

I did not initiate any interactions with girls tonight.

2 girls approached me but those interactions where both under 1 min so really no point in detailing them here.

I also had a very embarrassing incident where this Australian sounding brown guy bumped into me as he walked by and i got so triggered by this that i walked after him and challenged him to come outside and fight me if he thought he was a "tough guy".

I cringe thinking back to this.

How fucking embarrassing.

what the fuck is wrong with me?

I'm a 27 year old fucking grown man and I challenged a guy to come outside and fight me.

I honestly cannot believe i did something so childish and immature.

It's as if i temporarily lost my mind.

Maybe i should go speak to psychologist about why im constantly getting into all these hostile interactions with guys and why i get triggered so easily.

Anyways, no point in going on much longer here since nothing really needs to be said until im constantly talking to girls when i go clubbing.

I saw the white girl i fucked back in June again tonight. I always feel very bad when i see her. she was super nice to me and given my massive issues approaching girls i should be grateful for these cute girls who have approached me since its the only reason im not an incel right now.

I was very cold to her in the past and i can tell every time she sees me it kind of affects her and i feel terrible about it. Next time i see here ill try to force myself go up to her and apologize for being cold to her the first time we saw each other after the night we fucked.

She walked by me today and purposely rubbed her body on me so i guess this means she would be open to me talking to her.

sleep = woke up at 1:30 PM after around 5 hours of disturbed sleep (fire alarm)

nofap = last release (11 min) at 3:29 AM today (20 hours)
 
Last edited:

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
Update #12

Date:
Saturday January 18th, 2019

Style: Night Game

What Happened Tonight?

I was out early tonight around 11 but i fucked up and forgot that the best club tonight you either have to get there before 11 or after 1 to avoid the massive line.

So i got there and saw the line and left to go to another club.

That club was dead so i went back to the good club but there was still a massive line.

so i went back to the dead club until 1 AM and then after that went back to the good club.

I was inside at 1:22 AM.

There's nothing to say really.

I did not talk to any girls and stood around as i always do.

Towards the end of the night this short brown guy that I've embarrassed in the past that refuses to let it go tried to confront me with another short turkish looking guy and the bouncers saw them and they got kicked out.

Nothing left to really say.

I'm planning to take some sort of pick up bootcamp as soon as i have enough money where hopefully the instructor will be able to push me into approaching.

Right now i go out, i stand around and i dont even think about approaching.

sleep = woke up at 3:48 PM after 8 hours and 16 min of sleep

nofap = last release (11 min) at 3:29 AM 01-17-2019 (46 hours)
 

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
Update #13

Date:
Friday January 24th, 2019

Style: Night Game

What Happened Tonight?

I was inside the club at 12:39 AM.

Unfortunately, no progress when it comes to talking to girls.

I stand around and even when girls make it obvious they are interested im just not able to make a move.

I could detail the various moments where girls showed interested and i did nothing but what is the point of that.

At least I'm seeing some very very promising results with daygame.

I've done 15 approaches during the day in last 48 hours and I'm getting super positive responses from 1 in 3-4 girls so far

Literally so far I've felt that 1 in 3-4 girls I've approached during the day seemed dtf.

Right now i will get a girl who is laughing at everything i say, invading my personal space to the point our bodies are touching, and kind of making it obvious they want me to make some sort of move and im so anxious I still end the interaction and only later on realize that the girl was clearly into me.

Once my anxiety hopefully calms down and i get used to extending interactions when the girl is obviously into me I'm pretty sure i will at least start getting laid regularly from daygame.

I've been shocked so far by how many positive reactions im getting but its only 15 approaches so maybe im just lucky so far but i will continue to daygame daily for sure.

But yeah at night no progress at all.

Unfortunately, I had another hostile incident with a guy tonight despite my serious effort to act more maturely and stop having problems with dudes.

But this time I really dont think i can be blamed.

So I'm standing there in a highly visible spot as i always do and this tall white guy walks up to me and kind of stares at me.

I ignore him.

He stands besides me kind of mimicking my pose; i continue to ignore him.

He's kind of hovering near me for no reason for the next 3-5 min.

Then i notice he has taken out his phone like he is taking a picture of me.

I walk up to him, grab his phone out of his hands and literally throw it across the club towards the dancefloor.

Everyone around is shocked and everyone around is kind of looking at me.

I do nothing and just stand there looking at the tall white guy.

He takes a step towards me like he is doing to say something and then turns around to go look for his phone on the dancefloor.

Thinking back now I'm extremelly lucky none of the bouncers or staff saw this whole scene or i would have probably been banned from what is the best club on Friday nights in my city.

so anyways he goes look for his phone and then comes back towards me all angry like he is going to attack me.

I just push him back hard everytime he steps towards me and after getting shoved twice he stops trying to get close to me.

Surprisingly everyone around took my side.

One turkish looking guy came up to me and was like "i know you can knock him out man, but please dont, just come outside and have a smoke with me"

and another light skin black guy walked up to me at the end of the night and asked to shake my hand and was like "you handle that really well man, that guy was acting tough because he had a girl"

so yeah its weird that almost all my posts seem to include me getting into a hostile incident with dudes and im doing my best to stop this trend but im not going to allow a stranger to take a picture of me.

I do not regret throwing that guy's phone across the club.

He was trying to provoke me for like 7-10 min and i ignored him and only acted when he crossed the line and tried to take a picture of me.

I'm doing my best to be mature and avoid problems with dudes but again taking a picture of a stranger to me is a big deal and i hope that guy's phone is completely smashed and he has to buy a new one.

sleep = woke up at 1:46 PM after 5 hours and 30 min of sleep (4:20 PM Alarm)

nofap = last release (18 min) at 12:12 AM on 01-21-2020 (72 hours and 27 min)
 

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
Update #14

Date:
Saturday January 25th, 2019

Style: Night Game

What Happened Tonight?

I approached 3 girls tonight which is probably the most approaches ive done inside a club in probably 6-12 months.

I was inside the club at 10:22 PM

for the first 60-90 min i was just kind of standing around as always.

The most memorable thing i remember from the start of the night is this super hot blonde, as she walked by, she touches me and smiles.

I never know how to react to things like this.

Like also the girls who run their boobs/ass on me as they walk by, what do they want from me?

are they expecting me to walk after them and open them?

it just always throws me off when girls give me what seems like a strong sign of interest as they walk by, if they where interested would they not stay stationary so i can talk to them?

anyways, so the blonde did that and i just looked at her briefly with a blank look and then turned away.

I tried something new today where i tried finding a spot in a very crowded area and see if the anonymity makes it easier to approach.

One of my biggest issues is i always feel watched in the club like everyone is looking at me.

so my thinking was maybe it would help if i try to blend in and position myself in a very crowded area instead of what i usually do.

This experiment did not really work, girls seemed to avoid me when i was in these really crowded areas.

so i gave up on this and went back to a less crowded but highly visible spot.

Im standing there by myself when i hear "bitch ass nigar"

I turn and see this fat brown guy that i had previously punched in the face at another club.

I reply "fuck you"

he tries to get close to me and i push him hard.

he waves to someone behind me like he is asking for help.

He then walks towards me more slowly like he just wants to walk by so i let him but as he walks by he suddenly just bumps into me hard.

I lose my mind and just start punching him.

He kind of freezes and just takes the punches.

I feel someone grabbing me and its this big black bouncer.

he points towards the exit indicating ive been kicked out.

I storm out of the club super angry and everyone is kind of looking at me outside as i exit.

I get in a taxi and ask him to take me to another club.

That's now 4 nights in a row of me either getting into a fight or into a near fight; i need to stop this streak, a 27 year old man cannot be having incidents like this.

anyways, i get to the other club at 12:15 AM and this is where i did the 3 approaches.

Approach #1:

I see a girl with a really nice big ass standing near me.

I want to talk to her but im unable to make myself do it.

a few seconds later she moves away from me towards an isolated part of the club and just kind of stays there alone.

I walk straight up to her.

Me: i saw you when you walked by, you're very attractive, what's your name?

her: blah blah

blah blah = i do not remember what she said

me: what nationality are you?

her: Lebanese

me: i thought you where latina because of your body

her: yeah, i get that a lot

me: what are you doing here in the corner by yourself

her: trying to avoid some guy

me: i dont think he is going to come up to you with me here, let's dance

her: how old are you?

me: guess

we get in this back and forth of me asking her why my age matters and her saying she doesnt want younger guys.

eventually she is like "no im ok"

me: ok for what?

her: i dont want to dance

at this time i had forgotten i even asked her to dance and was just going to talk to her

me: thats ok, im not even thinking about that anymore, im just talking to you

her: no im ok

When she said this i was surprised and kind of caught of guard

her body language did not indicate that she wanted me to stop talking to her up to that point

so i just turn around and just start walking away and i hear her saying as i walk away " thanks for coming over though"


Approach #2

This might have been the most confident approach of my life.

I had seen this girl most the time at this club hanging out with this short black guy.

so when she was standing near me at the bar, I felt super confident she would respond well to my approach since im way more attractive then that guy

so i guess my brain felt "if she will talk to him all night then no way she responds badly to me"

so as im leaning on the bar, i reach out, tap her on the shoulder and literally wave her over to come closer to me.

again, this is probably the most confident opening i have ever done in nearly 7 years of clubbing.

me: i like this sexy nerd look you have going on, you're very attractive

her: laughs + blah blah

me: how old are you?

her: 20

me: are you in school?

her: yes

me: let me guess it's (shittiest of the 3 colleges in my city)

her: no im at (2nd best college in my city)

she kind of acts like she is offended i thought she went to the shitty college

me: it's an art school you have an artsy look

at this point i think i asked her to dance, she said no and said she had to go find her friends and walked away

Approach 3:

I was at the atm when i first walked into the club and this girl came and used the atm near me and was standing so close our bodies where touching

I later on would see her dancing throughout the night

She was asian and was wearing these really slutty shorts that barely covered her ass

so im noticing her throughout the night never talking to any guys just dancing with her tattood fat friend

at around 1:20 AM i decide im going to leave this club and go back to the club where i punched the guy and try to convince the bouncers to let me in.

I decide to do one more lap around this club before im leaving.

As im about to enter this room of the club, this asian girl just appears directly in front of me.

without thinking I just grab her lightly by the arm:

me: omg, where have you been all night? you're very attractive

her: blah blah + laughing

me: I've been so dissappointed in the girls in this club and i was just about to leave and i saw you

her: blah blah + laughing

me: what nationality are you?

her: blah blah

At this point i dont remember exactly what happened but i know i asked her to dance and she refused and said she had a boyfriend. i started joking around that she was breaking my heart. I also said stuff about how she should dance 1 song with me as it would make my week, then i said it would make my life. i kind of cringe thinking back now that i said such stupid stuff but i think i said it with a vibe that was obviously joking but still definitely dont think i should have said that. she kept repeating "you're so sweet" and offering me hugs but refusing to dance.

One thing i felt was weird is her body language seemed like she was about to walk away from the start of the interaction but she kept coming back, like she would take a step like she i leaving then come back, it was weird. i remember thinking " you seem like you want to leave, why are you still here", then her fat friend appeared and she immediately walked away so i guess she was using me for attention while waiting for her fat friend.


What Are Your Thoughts On These 3 Approaches?

First, I'm not 100% sure i would have done any approaches tonight had i not punched that guy at the first club

I think that incident put me in a mood that helped me do these 3 approaches.

as far as the approaches themselves, obviously the first issue is why the fuck did i keep asking girls to dance?

I guess im so fucking anxious that i kind of just panic and say whatever comes to mind.

the main issue with these approaches is i should have ejected as soon as the girls showed any sign of not being interested.

as soon as the first girl said " how old are you?" i should have turned and walked away without saying anything else

as soon as the 2nd girl said no to dancing because she's looking for her friends, i should have walked away

as soon as the 3rd girl showed by her body language that she wanted to keep walking i should have ejected or at least when she said "i have a boyfriend", i should have instantly ejected

i am NOT willing to do any persisting,plowing,passing shiet tests or anything like that

I literally would rather never get laid again then do any of the above

I lose too much self respect when i do these things.

When i think back to tonight my biggest regret is not having been mindful enough to walk away the instant these girls showed signs they where not dtf.

I get so caught up in these interactions and im so anxious that i forget to follow my most sacred rule with women which is to never do any sort of convincing them to like me, i want girls who like me instantly and nothing else.

My goal with approaching is to find girls that are DTF instantly based on my appearance and body language and these 3 girls where not so im mad at myself for giving them any more attention.

Is there anything else you want to remember about tonight?

as i was about to leave the 2nd club at around 1:20 AM, these 3 brown girls where arriving and i was very attracted to 2 of them.

brown girls have a very weird psychological effect on me.

I'm very attracted to them but my brain has no positive reference experiences with them.

I've never come anywhere close to fucking a brown girl.

I've never even kissed one.

I've barely spoken to any brown girls in a nightclub, maybe 2 or 3 in over 6 years of going clubbing.

also, brown people have been the most racist people i have ever met in my life by far so i have a lot of negative experiences in my brain attached to them.

so its always weird the emotions i experience when i see a really hot brown girl.

When i saw these 2 girls tonight i felt so fucking intimidated and also almost hopeless.

it was weird.

its an emotion i never feel with any other girls.

Maybe sometimes asian girls as well where its a similar situation.

im not sure why im even writing this but something about the way i felt when i saw those 2 hot brown girls made me feel such a unique negative emotion that i felt i should document it.

What Are Your Plans Going Forward?

i had a very promising start to my daygame career so back to that for the next 5 days,

I've also realized lately that I've experienced so many negative emotions because of nightclubs and women that I really dont think i could ever even have a girlfriend or even a fuck buddy.

I just want to get to a point where i can get laid at will so i can just pump and dump girls until im too old

Even my last 3 girls I've taken home i never even thought about taking their number after even when one of them explicitly asked if i wanted her number as i left her apartment.

Literally all the negative emotions i ever experience in my life are because of women.

No other area of my life even causes me any bad emotions.

The intimidation and sense of hopelessness i felt when i saw those brown girls tonight, i dont think ive ever felt any emotion close to that in another area of my life.

I have so many bad emotions tied to women that in a way i want to get good at this so i can fuck a bunch of girls and then never call them back almost like revenge.

I know this sounds very dark and weird to any of you reading this.

But just being honest about how i feel tonight.

I really dont think i could ever have a girlfriend or anything like that.

maybe im just super depressed tonight and these feeling will pass.

and i definitely dont want anything bad physically to happen to women at all.

so do not misread what im saying as wishing women physical harm; that's NOT what im saying at all.

I just feel i have to fuck a bunch of hot girls and never even take their number as a way to erase all the emotional pain they have caused me.

i know it sounds weird but just the way i feel tonight.

sleep = woke up at 4:59 PM after 6 hours and 12 min of sleep (7:00 PM Alarm)

nofap = last release (18 min) at 12:12 AM on 01-21-2020 (around 94 hours)
 
Last edited:
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
Update #15

Date:
Friday January 31st, 2020

Style: Night Game

What Happened Tonight?

I was in the club at 10:56 PM

I did not talk to any girls tonight so there's really no point in writing a lot.

I went out, stood around and was unable to talk to any girl even the ones making it obvious they where interested.

One black girl approached me at one point and asked me why i looked so sad.

Maybe something is wrong with me psychologically.

Maybe i have some sort of mental block.

I will take some sort of pick up boot camp as soon as possible but until then i have to do the best i can on my own to solve this problem.

Is There Anything Else You Want To Remember About Tonight?

I have been in a very weird mood since Kobe died last Sunday.

I was not even a fan of him at all but something about someone like that dying has kind of fucked me up psychologically.

I've been slacking with work, missing gym days and I've spent most of the past week isolated watching netflix alone.

is this what people who go through depression feel like?

sleep = woke up at 3:20 PM after 5 hours and 58 min of sleep (5:05 PM Alarm)

nofap = last release (19 min) at 11:36 PM on 01-28-2020 (around 71 hours)
 
Last edited:

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
Update #16

Date:
Saturday February 1st, 2020

Style: Night Game

What Happened Tonight?

i was out around 12:30 AM tonight.

i went to 2 clubs.

i did not speak to any girls.

sleep = woke up at 4:44 PM after 5 hours and 42 min of sleep (6:50 PM Alarm)

nofap = last release (19 min) at 11:36 PM on 01-28-2020 (around 96 hours)
 

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
Update #17

Date:
Friday February 7th, 2020

Style: Night Game

What Happened Tonight?

i was in the club at 10:55 PM

at 12:01 AM some enemies appeared and i was forced to stand near the exit due to safety risk.

I spent the rest of the night at this spot.

I got very few approach invitations at that spot, maybe 2-4 girls.

so something about standing alone near the exit seems to be a turnoff to girls.

Next time there is any threat to my safety I should just leave and go to a different club.

i did not speak to any girls tonight.

sleep = woke up at 4:03 PM after 5 hours and 26 min of sleep (6:15 PM Alarm)

nofap = last release (28 min) at 9:44 PM on 02-05-2020 (around 49 hours)

Any Insights?

I need to go back to fapping with release only once a week to increase horniness.

As i was driving to the club tonight, I had the sudden realization that i was not horny at all.

Had i magically been approached by my perfect 10 and gone home with her, I'm honestly not sure i would have been able to get hard.

The lack of sleep before combined with only 48 hours since last release are things i think played a factor.

I honestly considered going back home as i was driving to the club tonight because chemically i was not horny at all.

it's probably too late for me to do anything so im very horny for saturday night but ill make sure to take care of this for next week and see what happens when i go clubbing super horny at this point.

In the past even when super horny i still would not talk to girls but I've done a lot of work on myself since the last time i clubbed super horny so hopefully this time it will be different.
 

Tony D

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
Joined
Jul 26, 2018
Messages
434
Update #10

Date:
Saturday, January 4th, 2019

Style: Night Game

Body Chemistry Within 24 Hours Of Arrival At The club

- woke up at 2:39 PM after 10 hours and 12 min of sleep

- 2x5 squat, 2x5 bench, as heavy as possible, circuit style at 6:35 PM

- I did not restrict my eating in any way since waking up, I ate whatever i wanted, whenever i wanted to

- Last meal = MZ Burger x 2 + Starbucks Strawberry Smoothie x1.9 at 9:31 PM

- 5000 iu Vitamin D at 9:52 PM

- 12 min fap, 95%, no precum, at 12:16 AM

Mental Factors

- did my 25 min routine before going out (approval seeking,gratitude,time management,ijjj recordingx2)

- I spent 54 min thinking on paper and coming up with a gameplan which ended at 11:21 PM

Looks

- got a haircut at around 7:45 pm today

- wearing black jeans and long sleeve white gildans shirt

- shaved chest and balls before going out tonight

Results

- I was in the club for around 50 min from 1:19 AM to around 2:10 AM

- If 10 is the most attention I've ever received in a nightclub then I rate my vibe tonight at a 0

- I literally cannot remember a single girl who showed interest in me tonight

- There was these 2 girls who kept dancing near me and even bumping into me a few times; but something about their demeanor was off, i really do not think they where attracted to me, it was more like they where trolling me hoping i would approach so they could reject me.

- I also had girls literally run away from me as i came near them; I wasn't even looking at them or acting in any way like i was going to approach them, i was just walking past them and they literally screamed and ran.

Why Do You Think You Got Tonight's Results?

I'm actually not that surprised that i seemed to not attract any girls tonight.

I've noticed in the past that if i lift weights the same night i go out I get less interest from girls.

Also, this past summer when i started testing the method of jerking off but not cumming before going out, I would experience these weird nights where no girls seemed into me.

So combining lifting weights and jerking off without cumming which are both things I've noticed in the past lower my attractiveness; im not that surprised by tonight's results.

I was hoping combining 2 negatives would produce a positive but at least for tonight it did not.

I'm actually glad I experienced such a bad night because if there are factors that can kill my vibe so much then that means there are factors that can increase my attractiveness just as much.

Are You Planning To Test This Same Vibe Again?

yes because once again i did not spend enough time in the club.

Maybe if i had been in the club for 2 hours i would have come across some hot girls who like the vibe i was giving off tonight.

Yes the club was still busy when i arrived tonight but i spent less then 1 hour inside which is not enough time to make a definitive conclusion on the effectiveness of this vibe.

What Vibe Are You Planning To Test Next For Night Game?

I'm considering a few experiments for next weekend:

- same vibe as tonight but while spending at least 90 min in the club

- same vibe as Friday but with more sleep and at least 90 min in the club

- jerking off with ejaculation 4-5 times in a row on Wednesday and then no jerking off at all Thursday-Saturday to take advantage of the rebound effect I suspect occurs when I ejaculate a lot over a short period of time

Is There Anything Else You Want To Remember About Tonight?

- I found a new spot in the club that I think will be very useful, It's not very crowded and literally everyone in the club has to at some point pass that area so I would be highly visible.

- Not chewing gum does not seem to be working for me so i think it's time to stop that experiment; it's possible had i been chewing gum tonight I would have experienced better results.

- I dont think I will lift weights on the same night i go clubbing anytime soon again, I suspect it was the weights more then the jerking off 1 time without cumming that negatively affected my vibe tonight. But only 55% sure or this.

- No matter how much i tell myself i will be better i keep arriving at the club way too late these past several weeks, what the fuck is wrong with me? I need to fucking be in the club by 12:30 AM at the latest. I need at least 90 min to really test a vibe.

Anything Else?

I just remembered that there was 1 girl who seemed to have a positive reaction to me.

At the end of the night I'm walking and this tall hot brunette is walking directly towards me and she reaches out like she is going to grab my face with 1 hand, she seemed drunk + she was with another (black) guy + i really do not like random people even girls touching me on the face = I assumed she was drunk/high/fucked up and just trolling me for attention so i firmly pushed/deflected her hand before she touched me and kept walking.

I'm pretty sure that's the closest thing to a positive reaction i got from a girl tonight.

I also just remembered that earlier today I went down to the front desk at my hotel and this hot white girl who works there who is usually very extroverted and bubbly seemed almost scared of me.

She could not hold eye contact with me as we spoke and literally seemed scared and in the past she has been the complete opposite, holding eye contact and super outgoing and extroverted.

This was right after I came back from the gym and before i had jerked off.

So this leads me to believe that something about lifting heavy does something to the chemistry of my body that then seems to scare girls.

It should also be noted that i also almost got into a fight at the gym when me and this arabic guy bumped into each other while running on the track, perhaps that incident put me in a very aggressive/hostile mood that i carried with me the rest of the day.

Interesting report. When I was into clubbing and bars, I never cared if I got any attention at all from girls. I saw it that it was my job to do approaches, and my entire game plan was around meeting as many people, and being as social as possible. In a night I'd approach 10-50 times, as needed, until I hooked a hot enough girl. I'd try to pull her or at least, get her number. I was no night game jedi but I did well. I went out mostly alone, and to hipster dance clubs, rather than mainstream or hip hop ones.

I am supposing you have a high level of approach anxiety. I think all of your wonderings about jerking it, and working out having some sort of effect on your vibe, is useless. The only metric you should gauge is 1. How many girls did you approach? 2. How well did you do in those interactions. 3. How was your overall night? Fun? Awful?

If you really want great results at the night club, try spending a night sharing your love of life, and people. Don't go out to pickup girls, just go out to share an intense feeling of love, openness, and joy. Try to hang out with girls, and men, not to get validated and laid, but to just make friends, share value and have fun. Whenever you find you mind going cynical, fearful, angry, bored, negative, go outside, do some affirmations, jumping jacks, etc... change your state.

Feel LOVE for women, and then combine that with a lot of approaches. This will unlock your inner seducer.

To understand what it means to release unconditional love is difficult. But just remember that time you did something that put you into complete flow state. You had a great time with some people you love, or you were doing something amazing and fun, like skydiving, snowboarding, rapping... whatever. That's what women want to FEEL when you TALK to them.

Good luck in your quest, sincerely.

A good book is Zan Perrion's "The Allibaster Girl." It's a love song to women.
 

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
Update #18

Date:
Saturday February 8th, 2020

Style: Night Game

Pregame:

- 8:16 PM = 7 min fap

- sometimes between 8:16 pm and 9:15 pm = PIM 16 min guided meditation, 5 min PIM meditation #1, PIM 16 min guided meditation again (in that order)

- 9:29 PM = 7 min fap

What Happened Tonight?

I was going to stay in until around 11 PM to watch the jon jones fight and then go out but then at the last minute i decided to miss the fight and go out early.

I'm already going to go out late next saturday because of the wilder fight so i did not want to be out late 2 saturdays in a row

I was in the club at 10:46 PM.

I dressed my best tonight just to see how that impacted things.

usually i dress well enough to easily get inside the best club but not all out.

This is because when i dress my max i get more attention but the attention makes me feel self conscious and more anxious.

I've been doing some work on myself the past few weeks so i felt i was at a point where even if i dressed my best i would not get self conscious like i did in the past and this turned out to be a pretty accurate prediction by me.

unfortunately, i still did not really speak to any girls tonight.

I did have some strange/unusual interactions with girls that i want to document.

- im posting up facing the dancefloor and this girl comes and stands directly next to me close enough that our body touch and then i hear "you're not dancing?"....i look at her and ask "what's that?", she had kind of a weird vibe/facial expression like she disliked me for some reason,,,,she repeats "you're not dancing?"....i shake my head and say no and she walks away towards the dancefloor. i guess this girl liked me and then got offended when she pressed her body against me and i still did not acknowledge her. not sure but that's my best guess for what happened here. this girl was actually really hot and my type. probably one of the hottest girls to come up to me ever.

- there was also these 2 blondes who came up to me near the end of the night and just stood directly in front of me and just stared. not a stare like they think im hot. but a stare like they are trolling me. i just ignored them until one of them went to touch my face which i really do not like. even if you're my perfect 10, if you walk up to me and touch me on the face im going to react in a very hostile way. so when she did this i told her in a very serious tone "dont touch me" and shortly after that they both left.

- weirdly there was a 3rd blonde later on who as she walked by reached out like she was about to poke me in the face. i was caught off guard by this and kind of flinched back.

Is there anything else you want to remember about tonight?

there was several really tall girls in the club tonight.

I'm just over 6 feet and i remember at least 3 girls significantly taller then me that where hovering near me at some point tonight.

also, there was not as many hot girls as usual tonight.

This is best club in the city on Saturday and usually has the best looking girls but tonight was noticeably less.

sleep = woke up at 3:12 PM after 7 hours and 9 min of sleep (5:00 PM Alarm)

SR = last release (28 min) at 9:44 PM on 02-05-2020 (around 73 hours)
 

Tony D

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
Joined
Jul 26, 2018
Messages
434
You've got three girls actively opening/approaching you, one of them is the hottest girl to come up to you ever. That sounds pretty awesome, and a missed opportunity. You're obviously attractive to them. That girl must have wanted to hang with you, and you blew her off. Don't do that again.

Why do you think these girls are trolling you? You're very tall, well dressed, and must have an interesting face since all these girls want to touch it. Why would you "obviously react in a hostile way?" I wouldn't act hostile if some girl reached out to touch my face. I'd be amused and say some Mystery Method line at least, "Hey that's five dollars to touch little lady." Playful... not hostile. You're there to spread love, not hostility, right? My guess is that they think you're a hot guy and are compelled by your beautiful, dark face.

I notice you're often trying to discern what women are thinking about: "A stare like they are trolling me." And "she had kind of a weird vibe/facial expression like she disliked me for some reason."

You're not a psychic. This is your EGO. It is constantly chattering, and is the reason you feel fear, self-consciousness, and are unable to relax around people at the club, and probably in your life. It's the source of your anger, fear, and separation.

My suggestion is this: Read the book "A New Earth" by Eckhart Tolle. It's one of the best books about ego I've ever read. It will most definitely help you with your infield work. And if you haven't already, get your hands on "The Blueprint Decoded" by RSD Tyler, as it's one of the best inner game products ever developed.

Before you react in hostility, realize I've been flying around the world getting paid thousands of dollars a weekend to help people with your exact same problems for over ten years. I'm just trying to help.

And also you know this, you'll never get over AA if you don't approach, and if you're not able to do it alone, you should find a wingman, or a community to help you. At least a coach of some sort. Though I doubt a bootcamp would do much for you until you get your mindset and inner game in the right way.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hue

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
Update #19

Date:
Friday February 14th, 2020

Style: Night Game

Pregame:

- 9:51 PM = 5000 iu D3

- 10:01 PM = 8 min 30 sec fap

What Happened Tonight?

I opened somewhere between 8-12 girls tonight.

The most i have done since probably 2014.

I remember this Monday night back in July or August 2014 where i opened several girls and ended up taking this white girl hone (but did not fuck).

That night always stands out in my mind because i have never in my life opened that many girls in a bar or club before or since.

And unless I'm forgetting something tonight is the most since that night for sure.

There are several things I have done recently that I think helped me tonight:

- I went out tonight without wearing any contacts. Someone on another group suggested this to me and my gut told me to try it. And i think being basically blind helped me be less self conscious and worry about people watching me like i usually do.

- on Thursday I decided to abandon all attempts to do any verbal game at all and focus on what feels natural to me which is non verbal stuff. I have been reading every thread i can find on sedfast on dancefloor game. I reread Alek's dancefloor series and most importantly i found this amazing article by chase https://www.girlschase.com/content/pulling-women-close The opener Chase explains is what i ended up doing with all the girls tonight.

- I ejaculated to porn last Sunday around 3 AM. since then i have not ejaculated at all. but i have been fapping every day. I learned this routine from legendary seducer ijjj who claimed that ejaculating only once a week (or only during sex) but still fapping without cumming was the best routine for maximum sex drive and ability to approach girls. I'm pretty sure i was hornier then usual while in the club tonight.

- I have been rereading a book called the inner game of tennis. I first read this book years ago but it randomly came to my mind this week and i think it helped me.

What Happened During Your Actual Interactions With Girls:

- all my opens where girls who where about to walk past me and i just grabbed and pulled them as described in the Chase article.

here are the interactions i remember in no particular order:

- ethnically ambiguous girl with accent, i grab and pull so we are face to face with me holding her hips, i just stare at her without saying anything, she says "do i know you?", i say "no", then i remember asking her where her accent was from, she said "guess", i guessed Australia and she said no. then she said she had to go find her friends or something.

- short brown girl who was dressed badly, not even sure why i opened her, just as practice. she rubs her body on mine as she is walking by, i grab her hand, she turns and looks, i just look at her, she yanks her hand away and keeps walking. these 2 brown guys next to me laugh. i think this was my first open tonight.

- tall blonde, grab hand and pull, we are face to face and im just looking at her, i think i said something about her being attractive, she said something about having to find her friends but she said this without moving her body away from me at all so i just grab her and start slowly dancing. i instantly feel self conscious so i try to take her to dancefloor so we can blend in with other people dancing. as soon as we get on the dancefloor we are in front of this large group and i think those must be her friends so i just eject instantly as i just felt super self conscious. i turn and notice she is walking away from that group, so i go after her and lightly grab her hand, "where are you going?", "i need to go find my friends", then she mumbles something about being sorry and really wanting to stay...something like that

- short curvy blonce, my type, but raspy voice that i hate. grab and pull as she is walking by so we are face to face. tell her she is gorgeous, she says thank you but she has a boyfriend and points towards the dancefloor i guess indicating where the guy is. i think i asked "where is he" and then she pointed. then i said "what do you think he will do if he find us like this" meaning what would the guy do if he found me holding his girl like i was holding her. i dont remember what she said. then i said something about how i wanted to see how the guy would react and she said :well i dont" and that was pretty much it.

- not many details on this one. grabbed hand she the girl violently/forcefully pulled away and kept walking. i think i timed this one wrong and tried to grab when she had already walked by me so almost from behind.

- another one i grabbed, she smiles and point at her friend who is holding her other hand and they keep walking.

- super short blonde with big juicy ass, my type. i dont think i grabbed, i think i toucher her on the shoulder and then did the come her sign with my finger. she smiles, shakes head no and keeps walking.

- 2 older girls but hot and well dressed. grab one on hand she looks at me but gives no sort of reaction and keeps walking.

- last girl. white girl. grab and pull so we are face to face. i fucked up on this one. first she is kind of mediocre. nothing wrong with her but like a 6 to me. and my goal is to fuck a girl im legitmately attracted to and had i fucked this girl i still would not have accomplished my goal. this interaction is more evidence of my theory that girls will NOT cockblock if the girl likes you. she was with another girl who just stood there without interfering for what seemed like a long time before this other black guy started talking to her. so my girl, 18 years old. within 4-5 min i invited her to come over to watch a movie and she said no because im a stranger. then we kept talking for a really long time. i really fucked up here. i wasted the last period of the night on this girl. but i felt bad ejecting because every time i would stop talking and just look at her she would ask me a question or keep the conversation going.

so we talk and talk and talk. in my entire life this is the most time I think i have ever spent with a girl in a club. even the girls who i have fucked from clubs the interactions where shorter. so im touching her constantly as we talk but im not horny by her. anyways, at 2 AM the lights come on and this bouncer walks over to where we are and loudly says "alright guys, time to exchange numbers and go home". this girl instantly says "nice to meet you" and walks away with her friend. i later see her outside im like "goodnight (name) and ask her "how are you getting home?" ...and she is like "probably uber". and thats it. again i really fucked up here spending this much time with a girl i was not even attracted to. also she kind of had bad breath. not stinky but just an odour that i did not like. so more reason i should have ejected but genuinely felt bad trying to find a way to end it and the conversation was good.

so i think that covers all the girls tonight. so 10 girls i opened.

- no sex cloud appeared during any of these 10 girls i opened.

What Do You Want To Change After Tonight?

- make sure you eject right away if you realize the girl is not hot. do NOT feel bad for them. notice this last girl did not feel bad when she instantly left when the lights come on so you must be just as ruthless. if you pull a girl in and realize she is not hot. get rid of her right away even if she keeps trying to continue the interaction.

- stop talking so much after you are face to face. remember you are running a non verbal style. after you pull them in, just stare at them until they look away and let them say the first words. i think telling them they are attractive is hurting you so see what happens when you stop that. so tomorrow night try to grab, pull and stare until they say something first.

- see what happens if you touch on shoulder to get their attention before grabbing and pulling them in. test this.


What About the Dancefloor?

for the first time since last summer i actually stepped on the dancefloor multiple times tonight.

The last time i spent this much time on the dancefloor was when i tested getting drunk on purpose last summer.

Unfortunately, nothing new happened on the dancefloor tonight.

I still feel very self conscious just being on the dancefloor alone.

I also did several laps through the dancefloor to see if i could find a girl staring at me or giving me some sort of blatant approach invitation but nothing i remember.

I'm not sure how to operate on the dancefloor alone.

I'm 100% fine being alone anywhere else in the club but for some reason on the actual dancefloor i feel very self conscious even tonight.

I really want to learn how to operate on the dancefloor alone but im not sure what to do.

what i did tonight is just walk throught the dancefloor looking for blatant approach invitations but did not notice any and of course without contacts i cannot see well at all.

The other thing i tried earlier in the night was just stand on the dancefloor by myself next to another group of guys to kind of blend in. I had this attractive asian girl who came and stood directly next to me and another curvy asian girl seemed to be throwing me looks. but i was not sure what to do. the girl throwing me looks was far so i would have had to push through the crowd to get to her. and i remember thinking, "if you like me then why dont you get closer". and the other girl next to me i was not sure what to do because she was not dancing so its like how do i initiate this interaction in the loudness of the dancefloor when you are not dancing.

anyways, yeah not much new to report on the dancefloor except for that i was able to spend significant time on there tonight even though i was not drunk.

Anything Else You Want To Remember About Tonight?

This guy i had punched in this club a few weeks ago. i saw him at the end of the night and weirdly him and his friends just walked by without attempting to start any problems with me.

I need to be very careful now that i will be going out without contacts.

I have a lot of enemies from clubing and since im blind i dont even notice them.

I had no idea this guy and his crew where even in the club tonight and usually i always notice them so me being blind could put my safety at risk.

I need to be very careful to not hangout outside after the club closes when im alone and dont have the safety of bouncers.

I could easily have been jumped by these guys outside the club tonight.

At the end of the night i need to quickly leave and go out through the door where the bouncer is very friendly to me and can provide safety as i get in my taxi.

Being blind helped me open 10 girls tonight but it also seriously put my safety at risk since i cannot see who is in the club; i need to be way more careful tomorrow night.

sleep = woke up at 6:30 PM after 7 hours and 56 min of sleep (4:45 PM Alarm)

SR = last release (13 min) at 3:49 AM on 02-09-2020 (around 117 hours)

Fap = have been fapping daily without cumming since last release

- I was inside the club at 10:56 PM
 
Last edited:

SexNotValidation

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Messages
194
Update #20

Date:
Saturday February 15th, 2020

Style: Night Game

Pregame:

- I did not sleep on Friday night after coming back from the club. Skipping a night of sleep is a strategy i have tested in the past and it usually makes me feel slightly less self conscious so I thought combining no sleep with no contacts would help me improve on Friday night.

- Last meal = biggest starbucks strawberry smoothie (80%) + MZ burger (100%) + MZ burger (20%) + 473 ml chocolate milk (7:55 PM)

- 9:26 PM = 7 min fap

- 9:40 PM = 5000 iu D3

What Happened Tonight?

I went out blind (no contacts) again tonight.

i did not feel the same lack of self consciousness as last night, not even close.

It took me I think 90 min - 2 hours before i even did my first attempt and i ended up doing 3-5 opens tonight

I did the same grab and pull opener tonight and all the girls i tried tonight rejected me pretty much instantly meaning they resisted the pull and i of course let them go when i feel any resistance.

It was an extremely frustrating night.

The weird thing is I'm pretty sure i got way more approach invitations tonight compared to last night.

I'm guessing no sleep was a bad idea and I'm even wondering if my choice of meal before going out could have hurt me.

On Friday night i ate around 12 chicken wings + strawberry smoothie from starbucks before going out and tonight i had a much bigger meal.

I had hoped last night was the beginning of a new chapter for me but im feeling extremely depressed as i write this.

Next Friday I'm going to try to recreate exactly what i did yesterday and hopefully i can have a similar night.

I also spent a lot of time today planning and thinking about what i would do tonight and maybe all this mental stuff just makes it more likely that i freeze up.

Another factor is there was way more girls alone in the club Friday compared to tonight, i think 8 of the 10 girls i opened yesterday where alone when i opened them.

Tonight i did not see as many girls alone so maybe I just got lucky yesterday.

sleep = did not sleep at all since last club visit yesterday

SR = last release (13 min) at 3:49 AM on 02-09-2020 (around 141 hours)

Fap = have been fapping daily without cumming since last release

- I was inside the club at 10:16 PM
 
Top