A question about cities that are good for single men.

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I was reading a post by Sonny Arvado who fell off the map in recent years but had some real good shit out, it's about gold rushes:

The #1 Rule About Gold Rushes • Strength By Sonny

The #1 rule about gold rushes is simple. NEVER EVER TELL ANYONE ABOUT A GOLD RUSH. When you do, word gets out and a "good thing" gets ruined shortly after.

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A common belief held is that some cities are a lot better for dating as a guy than other cities are whether that is due to gender ratios, culture, vibe of the local women, and a list of other reasons we can get into. Some cities have a reputation that is warranted as being horrible cities for dating and meeting women whether that is because local women are not as attractive, more stuck up, social circle culture predominates, and a good list of other reasons. Toronto and San Francisco are two cities I hear being thrown around a lot in masculine spaces as the worst major cities for single men.

Lets keep it to one country though whether that is America or Canada.

Americans claim that New York City and Miami are excellent cities for dating and meeting women but the question that pops into my head is, if a city has been identified as such, for how long much longer is it actually a good city for dating and meeting women?

What's to stop an army of Silicon Valley creeps from flooding Miami given that they have so much money on average, and San Francisco is more expensive than Miami, and putting a significant dent on the dating culture there by say just existing and fucking up gender ratios?

One of my friends who is Canadian tells me Montreal cannot possibly remain a good city for single men for long as more and more thirsty pickup artists from Toronto move in to aggressively game women who are not used to such an influx of creepy dudes. Maybe my fellow Canadians can comment here.

 

[workgamer]

i'm from a different continent so not sure about whats going on in those specific citys and excuse my slopy english
but thats just not how society works.
most people have different reasons to choose a city to live and those reasons affect the citys demographics...the "army of silicon valley creeps" need to live in san francisco in order to get that money...hi tech is generally a more masculine industry so they are surely taking vacation to fool around Miami/vegas etc but at that same time the chicas from somwhere els are on vacation to party as well and hookup with them rich creeps so the numbers are always evening up..also many people in those citys are moving out to raise a family than being replace by new singles blood...so the curve is always flattening...

from my experience this is an excuse and every big city worldwide is packed with singles...just the hookup culture and venues might be different - i don't know about toronto but i'm guessing the guys complaining of San Fransisco are new there and are hi tech startup folks that don't know where and how to get the local maybe more natural hippie chics...but maybe a skater artist will get laid a ton...and obiously the bigger party citys like NYC LA London etc have more and different options for hookup and everything...

there might be extreme stuff like in some places in china that there are just less womens cos of that one child policy so they need to import them from neighbour countries...but i think it was also affecting only small towns (witch in china are kinda huge lol)

 

[Tank]

Yes the sexual marketplace isn't completely efficient because only a small % of the male population is doing the location independent business thing, as much as the manosphere makes it seem like everyone cool is doing it. So these disparities will still exist.

At the top the market is efficient though. As in, a 9 in a village in Siberia can put up Instagram shots and get invited to a villa in Dubai. Because the population of 9+s, and arguably even 8s, is pretty close to the population of hot charismatic men who are also globally mobile.

But fucking a 6-7 in San Francisco is near impossible while in new York ludicrously easy and that will be the case for a while.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

@workgamer The tech industry is not masculine at all, it is very PC and full of guys who are socially maladjusted. Tech companies have also aggressively expanded to cities like Denver, Austin, and Chicago with new offices so you don't have to be in The Bay to work in tech.

As for big cities, things like logistics, nightlife culture, and to a degree even the ratio matter more than it being a big city. In LA, you have to drive to get anywhere while in NYC you can just walk. You also have to really know people in LA to get into the nightclubs while NYC has plenty of nearby options that let anyone in. So you are gravely underestimating the value of location unless you yourself have gamed and lived in major cities in America. I have and I can surely tell you that the results vary tremendously.

Now to add to the thread itself, I'd say with information so readily available on the internet and so many studies being done on gender ratios, the good cities have their days numbered. My friends from Toronto say that as soon as pickup became famous and it became known that Toronto is a bad city for game, young thirsty creeps moved to Montreal in droves. Now local women who would otherwise be laid back were more on guard because they were so used to creepy pickup guys approaching them.

The last time I was in NYC was in 2018, I used to go all the time from 2012 to 2016, even interning there for two summers. You could go to a Le Bain, PhD, or Brass Monkey and it would be mostly women or cool local dudes. As much shit as guidos get, they were some chill fun guys to chat with and funny as shit when drunk.

When I went in 2017 and 2018, I was noticing the change in demographics. You saw more tight knit groups and a lot of the alt-looking hipster types with butch lesbian looks, out of shape, and a lot of guys who seemed to be right out of Silicon Valley. I talked to a couple of them who said they moved to NYC from the Bay and the bars really dried up.

Back in 2012 and so, NYC was rough and had that reputation of beating you down mentally as a city. As soon as word got out that gender ratios were good in the city, guys swarmed from places like Toronto, The Bay, and Los Angeles. I still keep in touch with five girls in the city on social media, three of them get hit up a lot more and it is always guys working in tech for companies like Google.

I see it happening to Atlanta too and it is a sad thing to see, it's more like a virus than competition though. You are not just dealing with thirsty losers on the prowl, you are dealing with an entire culture which makes for a bad dating life swarm a city.