Am I going to have to move out of the deep south to have success with women?

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

So I've practically done a lot in recent months to improve myself including my looks and all that but man, I have to say, I don't get the south. It seems like almost everyone that I know meets their SOs through social circles that are so tight knit and hard to break into. Even when I have gone out to bars to approach women, it seems like almost all of them are there with men who immediately come in to let me know I am intruding (least they don't fight me right?).

I've tried being social and making friends but it hasn't worked at all, for some reason. People talk to me and all that, seem great, but I am never invited to any of their special exclusive events. The activities I tried in recent months have been sausage fests full of dudes and some very bland looking girls. Last few weeks of college and will be moving back home for a little bit before planning a move to a big city, but seriously, I've been thinking if maybe my location is fucking me over.

I am also Arab which in this given climate, is not the race you want to be. Try not to think too much about that because it seems like outside of fraternity brothers and a few other guys in my area, mainly athletes, are struggling a ton with women down here.

There is nothing that is visibly wrong with me at all. I am not short, I look great, I can cold approach/talk to women, I am social, and everything, yet I am struggling like no tomorrow.

Been lurking GC the past 3 weeks too and it seems like the state I am in really is the worst of the worst when it comes to women, from what most people say.

At this point, I am wondering if a move might be necessary.

 

[Smith]

Do some traveling man. Travel to New York, LA or wherever you think it's cool and do game there for a couple of weeks in each location. Preferably a month or two just so you can get a real accurate picture of what it's like there, because once the initial excitement wears off you can really see what the place is like. Go there with an open mind and no expectations. Once you found the place you love, the next step is to move there =) Until then, stop looking for other people's opinion as well, because they might give you the wrong expectations. You gotta get your own reference experience, then you can compare your own experience with theirs.

 

[Estate]

Altair, I know you don't often like my advice. But here goes....

I don't think all the the issues you mentioned are exclusive to where you are right now. You'll have similar challenges anywhere you go especially if you don't know anyone at all.

But I'll give you this, it seems like you feel in a rut or as if your current home is not a place you can start afresh and make progress or just be happy. So with that said, either traveling or moving might be good for your overall state of mind.

I've moved a long way from home myself which is why I advise having a plan, where you'll work, live, what you'll do, research places to go and things to do and even groups or activities you'll join which you would enjoy but don't have the opportunity to do now. Make sure you plan it through, but besides that, moving really does feel like a fresh start and might be exactly what you need to lift your spirit. Good luck.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Just out of curiosity what state are you in.

I live in Florida and am able to get success here no problem.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Just out of curiosity what state are you in.

I live in Florida and am able to get success here no problem.

Lol Florida isn't really "the south", I will pm you my state.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Lol Florida isn't really "the south",

Ever been here?

Check out Pensacola, Jacksonville, or Ocala if you get a chance... pretty southern.

P.S. Atlanta is the place to be in the South for Game from what I've gathered. Also if you go to Texas Houston and Austin I've heard great things about. I have a buddy in Austin really into pickup that gets great results.

If you're in a small town then of course you're going to run into the issues you're having.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Lol Florida isn't really "the south",

Ever been here?

Check out Pensacola, Jacksonville, or Ocala if you get a chance... pretty southern.

P.S. Atlanta is the place to be in the South for Game from what I've gathered. Also if you go to Texas Houston and Austin I've heard great things about. I have a buddy in Austin really into pickup that gets great results.

If you're in a small town then of course you're going to run into the issues you're having.

Then you must have missed this thread, especially the posts towards the end:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13339

 

[Mr.Rob]

Then you must have missed this thread, especially the posts towards the end:

Proactivity, I assume you're referring to your comments on the 2nd to last comment with the reddit quotes? (if not you can disregard this entire comment haha)

I mean I guess to a certain extent I would agree with this in the Buckhead area (really higher class status oriented area of ATL), but if you're games on point I still wouldn't see this being an issue. Those people are human too and get tired of the constant refrigerator-hum-like stress of social ladder climbing.

Have you personally gamed in Atlanta?

I always take people's opinions of places with a grain of salt until I actually experience it for myself (unless I hear nothing but horror about a place and I wasn't much intrigued in the first place).

I've gamed in Atlanta before and in the Buckhead area as well (almost made out with a girl through her car window while she was stopped at a stop sign with all her friends in the vehicle). I never had any trouble or saw any signs that it was any more difficult or with "niche" women than what I've seen back in Florida. I had quite a few great interactions. On top of that a good friend from the boards here who lives in ATL has learned game in ATL and is dating a stunning girl now.

I just don't buy the negative hype. I think if you're game is on point it shouldn't be an issue.

By the way if this wasn't the tangent you alluded to feel free to correct my tangent

-Rob

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Not just my comments but that of many others as well, Fuji's too.

To answer your question, I have family in Atlanta and have been and stayed there plenty of times, in many ways it is my second home. I stand by one saying, if you're into black women, Atlanta is the best in the country but it is among the worst in the country if white girls are your thing. Unless you're one of the "good ole country boy" trucker types, former fraternity brother at an SEC school, or a former football player; there is slim pickings. I saw far more attractive white women (and women of various other races) in Florida than I ever did in all of my time Atlanta, so it is just an awful area if you are not into black chicks.

Compared to other southern girls, Atlanta girls and just Georgia girls in general are very cold and arrogant, they're also quite trashy. Massive egos despite being far less attractive than Florida or California girls.

Maybe you had a great weekend in which tourists were coming but as a whole, it is terrible. Charleston and most major cities in Florida (Orlando, Miami, and Tampa) beat it by miles. The difference is, you likely visited but I have stayed there and am very familiar with the women in the city, this is me saying all of this as a white guy.

Now to make matters even worse, OP is Arab and as a state, Georgia is definitely a lot more racist than Florida. People are strongly against interracial relationships between "foreign looking" men and hot white girls there. I knew a couple involving a brown latino with a tall hot blonde that was harassed to the point that they had to move, this was in Marietta btw.

TBH, from what I have seen, OP would be far better off in Florida as I have actually seen all kinds of guys do well with hot girls there, especially Arab and Indian dudes who can run the exotic guy game and get some fine looking women.

If you disagree with me, just click on the reddit links and see the countless negative comments about Atlanta and Georgia in general that are getting tons of upvotes.

 

[Mr.Rob]

I stand by one saying, if you're into black women, Atlanta is the best in the country but it is among the worst in the country if white girls are your thing.

Haha that's interesting you say that. See I find Orlando, and of course Jacksonville and Pensacola, in Florida to be exactly the same way. I mean Orlando has it's diversity, especially with the Disney deal happening, but you go downtown on a given weekend night and it's loaded with black women immersed often in extremely ghetto culture (I'm with you not my cup of tea).

Haven't been to Tampa yet and agree Miami is in a class of its own (South Beach = Good shit).

Maybe you had a great weekend in which tourists were coming but as a whole, it is terrible. Charleston and most major cities in Florida (Orlando, Miami, and Tampa) beat it by miles.

I will say I did daygame only in ATL and perhaps this skewed my perception a bit since I was targeting the areas where hot and hopefully classier girls abounded.

This was two years ago and perhaps I'd have a different perspective if I went back again. My question to all the redditter's is where else have they gone that has given them the reference experiences to compare accurately? (Maybe they do I don't have the time to read it...)

Interesting discussion man.

Just out of curiosity where do you currently live now? PM me if need be or not at all if not comfortable.

-Rob

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I ran night game in Atlanta a few times, it was very cliquish in a lot of places, especially bars in Buckhead where a lot of the former SEC Greek Life crowd goes. Hard to break into already established circles that are tight and quite snobby. If you're asking for my experience, here it is.

As for Florida, the girls I've met from Florida (especially the white girls) have been far more attractive, open minded, fun loving, and a lot less judgmental. Georgia girls put on the whole "I am a good Christian" act yet get wasted/crazy drunk on weekends, often hooking up with former trucker boy wearing camo hat and frat boy types. A lot never grow out of the high school phase and plenty try to act wigger/black, guess it is due to the rap culture in the city.

Eitherways, OP is SOL if he is anywhere in the deep south area, he would have far better luck in Florida (which is pretty much it's down part of the south) and a lot of the upper south states like North Carolina for example.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

The problem with Atlanta, compared to other southern cities, is that it is just so tight knit. You have to find your crowd as people are very cliquish compared to the people of other cities.

You have the post grad Greek Life crowd that dominates Buckhead, usually full of SEC frat bros and SEC sorority girls who still decide to stick with that scene and not really venture out of it. Then you get some of the hipster scenes and redneck/NASCAR scenes (which sometimes overlap with Greek Life). Not a great place to practice PUA at all.

In terms of girls, you better like black girls if you are in Atlanta because when it comes to white girls, they are usually:

1. Much less attractive than their counterparts elsewhere. Seriously, cities like Nashville and Charleston have far more attractive white girls and it is not even close.

2. Cliquish/closed off. A lot of them run in tight social circles where you either have to be a former frat bro or football player in the SEC to integrate into. Not too great for outsiders looking to game.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Radeng,

going by your logic, any area in the USA can be good. Also remember, you're an experienced player as well as a white guy (as much as I hate to bring that up. OP is an Arab guy who is still a virgin, completely different situations. A guy like you can likely do well anywhere in the United States but I am glad that you had a great experience in Atlanta. I have a lot of experience with game too and as a Korean guy, I had some luck in Atlanta but compared to other southern cities, seriously felt like it was lacking in quality. No sour grapes on my part but I found that the white girl quality in Atlanta was seriously lacking.

You bring up Buckhead, that area is literally Greek Life 2.0. All of the fraternity brothers and sorority sisters from schools like UGA, Auburn, and Bama move there to live out the rest of their college years. I even wanted to bartend part-time at some of the bars there, they mostly only hired former Greek Life kids for the jobs.

The problem isn't the rejections, the problem is just the quality in the city itself. Outside of the black girls, the quality of white girls there is one of the worst compared to other southern cities. Nashville, Charleston, and many cities in Florida have it beat. On top of that, the people of Georgia are also significantly more racist towards interracial relationships compared to other southerners so OP will have to deal with that as a brown guy.

 

[NewKid2000]

I will concur about Atlanta. Please don't waste anymore of your time, leave Atlanta if that's where you are. Atlanta has the worst females in the USA bar none. I'm a Black guy that loves White girls, and I had to leave Atlanta to find my true value when it comes to Attractive White Women. Like somebody else said, Atlanta has more attractive Black Women then it does attractive White Women. The White women in Atlanta are pure garbage in looks and attitude. Nothing worse then unattractive women, and add in the bad attitude and you got a horrible combo.

As soon as I left the South, I found out where the true hot White women were. And it's definitely not in the South, and it's for sure not in Atlanta.


Since I left the South i've dated nothing but cute to hot White girls. If I would have stayed in Atlanta, i'd have nothing but ugly women to choose from. Man don't judge a place by the "exceptions" judge it by the "rule." By this I mean, a place like Atlanta is big enough to have those exceptions where there might be some decent looking women here and there. But that is definitely not the rule, those women are few and far between. Don't let that fool you. You won't to be in a place where there are lot of hot women to choose from, not just a few. They will have better attitudes overall, because they have competition amongst themselves, and you'll just have more to choose from in general. So if one girl gives you problems, just keep searching because you have options.

Leave the South man..... Explore!

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

All right Fuji that is fair enough. I just don't want to give OP the excuse of the environment if you have zero results just about anywhere you're not going to get them just by moving. I will say however not all places are created equal and there is benefit in moving to game however there is no excuse for zero results including environment.

Op you do not have to move to get results there may be places that are better for you but if you can't get results here you can't get results anywhere sorry.

That being said, I still encourage you to move just to see for yourself. No matter where you are success takes persistent and consistent action which I don't believe that you do. But perhaps there are easier environments for Arab guys. Idk I'm white, and yea I'll admit that's probably advantageous when your starting out because you more naturally fit in (at high levels I don't believe it's an advantage, maybe even a slight disadvantage).

I just really hate to see a "victim" who can "only" experience success by moving. It's just not true.

Radeng

The bold? Are you kidding me man? Georgia has to be among the worst states in the country for someone like the OP who has said in the past that he has aspirations of getting white girls. Now I will partially agree with you, OP can get black girls and girls of minority groups in the state but if he wants white girls of any sort of quality, it is practically a requirement that he moves.

You keep defending Atlanta on this thread when countless people will say that it is among the worst cities in the country for guys that want to game white girls.

I am Korean and originally from the Dixie, I had no results there at all, not with white girls. It is not until I moved out west that the results started pouring in and I started doing well in the game. Now if OP was in Nashville, North Carolina, Charleston, or Virginia then maybe he wouldn't have any excuses but Georgia and Alabama are among the worst states in the entire nation for the OP.

How about this Radeng, if you get a brown friend to hit the bar scene in Atlanta with you the next time you go and your brown friend has success with cute white girls, I will eat my words.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I will concur about Atlanta. Please don't waste anymore of your time, leave Atlanta if that's where you are. Atlanta has the worst females in the USA bar none. I'm a Black guy that loves White girls, and I had to leave Atlanta to find my true value when it comes to Attractive White Women. Like somebody else said, Atlanta has more attractive Black Women then it does attractive White Women. The White women in Atlanta are pure garbage in looks and attitude. Nothing worse then unattractive women, and add in the bad attitude and you got a horrible combo.

As soon as I left the South, I found out where the true hot White women were. And it's definitely not in the South, and it's for sure not in Atlanta.


Since I left the South i've dated nothing but cute to hot White girls. If I would have stayed in Atlanta, i'd have nothing but ugly women to choose from. Man don't judge a place by the "exceptions" judge it by the "rule." By this I mean, a place like Atlanta is big enough to have those exceptions where there might be some decent looking women here and there. But that is definitely not the rule, those women are few and far between. Don't let that fool you. You won't to be in a place where there are lot of hot women to choose from, not just a few. They will have better attitudes overall, because they have competition amongst themselves, and you'll just have more to choose from in general. So if one girl gives you problems, just keep searching because you have options.

Leave the South man..... Explore!

While I completely agree with you about Atlanta, I have to disagree with you about the south. I think if you gave Nashville and Charleston a chance, you would not have been disappointed one bit. The issue with white women in Atlanta and Georgia is that the demand significantly exceeds the supply. There is a strong demand for good looking white girls but the supply is just so low. As a result, you have 5s and 6s in Buckhead walking around with these massive egos, because the lack of supply creates a lot of thirst for white girls to where that 5 can walk around with a huge ego.

Since you mentioned you're black, this is just so relevant lol!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAyvh4LMUCI

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Radeng,

going by your logic, any area in the USA can be good

That's the point.

This Arab-excuse shit is getting really old. One of my best friends in college was 100% Pakistani and would smash Midwest white girls all the time, even some from VERY conservative backgrounds (and don't try and pull some "well it's Midwest so not super judgmental/racist" excuse. The population of my school was literally 95% white and the town itself had an even higher white population. I faced racism and I'm only half Hispanic, which definitely isn't the most marginalized demographic possible).

But the actually Arab guys who grew up with Saudia Arabia and were studying abroad? Women avoided them like the plague.

My buddy was even darker than them, so it wasn't their skin color.

It was their behavior.

They all stayed together in packs and would just stare at people and stand around awkwardly smoking cigarettes

When they'd go out to the bars, they'd get blacked out and hover over women and act super desperate. I remember one guy coming to our party house and told one of my fratenrity brothers that if he didn't get laid that night, he was going to kill himself and started crying because he was so lonely.

It wasn't their skin color and it wasn't their language (my Pakistani boy spoke fluent Urdu). It was their behavior. They were parasites. They expected to come to America and buy their way into woman's pants (they are all very wealthy).

What's more is that they were actually cool guys, to some extent. One night I stumbled back from the bars shit-faced and as I passed by some of the Arabic guys, said out loud "asalamulakum!" And they responded "alakumsalam!" and asked me how I knew the greeting. I told them I've studied Islam extensively, know a lot of Middle Easter guys, and know some other terms (my favorite is "khafir" and always encourage my middle easterner friends to call me an infidel). We ended up hanging out all night, talking about religion and held hands the entire time (I love that part of Islamic culture; very bro-love).

If they were that friendly and touchy with women, they'd fucking slay. Or if they were just fucking normal, like my Pakistani buddy (who was also a frat guy), they'd also slay.

But they were so trapped in their cultural norms of segregation and treated women like cattle.

They didn't take the time to understand women or step out of their comfort zones. They just hungout with each other all the time. They were essentially still living in Saudi Arabia, but in America, and drunk most of the time.

Do you see my point? Saying "i'm Arabic, so X is hard for me" is a vague argument with so many unchecked presuppositions. If you actually deconstruct your argument it falls apart.

It's not because your'e Arabic, it's because you're fucking creepy. You take take take, and you offer nothing in return. Just like my Arabic friends in college, they assumed women should want to fuck them for no other reason than because they're men and have money and are nice.

All of this talk is excuses and everyone reading these threads sees through it, but we still try to help you...I don't know why, I'm even surprised I'm responding right now, but I'm listening to my intuition and hoping that anyone making ethnic excuses will finally say "you know what, you're right, I'm only lying to myself."

No one feels sorry for you. No one thinks you're actually trying to get good with women.

And even if you are right and location IS important, then fucking move. Put everything in your car and drive to Florida. You have absolutely no excuse. I don't care what your family situation is, your job situation, you can drop anything and move anywhere anytime. the only thing stopping you is you.

So again, in case anyone making excuses wants to miss my point, let me lay it out clearly again

Most of your failures (I'll grant a few outliers) are not from your ethnicity, but because you're creepy/weird/boring/offer nothing. Any and all responses you get from your ethnicity are just exacerbation of your problems (e.g., "this guy is really creepy...oh and he's Arabic. Gosh, all these Arabic guys are creepy...").

Isn't it ironic that you are in fact contributing to the negative stereotypes about your cultures by being weird? If you instead got better at socializing, you could not only change people's minds about Middle Easterners, but also have the social aptitude to make anyone who WAS actually racist look really dumb in a public situation? I've made some dudes feel really dumb when they tried to make fun of me for being Hispanic (most of the time they assume my name is Jorge or Carlos and I just say "did you just come up the first Hispanic name that came to mind?" and everyone would laugh at them. They never tried it again).

I'm really interested to see what ways some of you can misinterpret what I've said.

Or maybe you'll actually listen...

Because what I don't understand is how you guys can talk about success with women when you have virtually none. Post up some LRs with girls who aren't warpigs and I'll start taking your views seriously (and so will everyone else). That's the wonderful thing about talking game - you guys can come up with the most sophisticated arguments you want as to why you're failing with women and then pretend you know why, BUT IF YOU KNEW WHY YOU WERE FAILING, YOU WOULDN'T BE FAILING. But a guy who actually gets pussy can spell everything wrong, use the diction of a 5 year old, and type like he has Parkinson's, but his opinion actually matters cuzzzzzzzzz

He gets pussy.

Results > everything.

So if you're not getting pussy, you should stop pretending you know and instead ask why you're sucking. And we've been telling you why for a very long time.

I don't like bullying guys like this, but if you're not gonna listen, then maybe telling you that you suck with women and all of your opinions are worthless might wake you up to the truth that you shouldn't be giving advice.

EDIT: you know what, Altair, move. Pack up everything, leave your town tomorrow and move to Florida. I expect you to kiss at least one girl in the first month. Shouldn't be too hard, right? If you finger a girl in the first month there, I'll give you 2 hours of free private coaching and a free copy of my King of College book when it comes out.

Hector

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I think you're confusing race with culture Anatman, we're talking about just the ethnic appearance itself, not the way a guy behaves.

I am sympathetic because I've been through this exact thing as a Korean guy who was born and raised in the United States. My childhood was spent fishing, hunting, speaking in an American accent, and my friends were of various races. Even after all of that, I had no luck with "southern" girls and failed hard. I was in the deep south too btw, not the more civilized southern places like North Carolina or Tennessee. People talked about Asian men having accents or being shy? That shit did not apply to me. It was not until I moved to Washington (the state) that my results with women skyrocketed, like night and day type of shit. Not a damn thing about me changed other than the location.

So when girls in certain areas see you, they don't care to differentiate between your westernized or immigrant self, they just see a minority.

The midwest's version of racism is a joke compared to the shit that goes on in the deep south, we had segregated proms FFS!!!!

Getting a racist joke is nothing compared to putting your life in danger because Bubba and his friends don't like your foreign ass getting with the Jessica Simpson lookalike.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

That shit did not apply to me. It was not until I moved to Washington (the state) that my results with women skyrocketed, like night and day type of shit. Not a damn thing about me changed other than the location.

Please post a recent LR and then a FR from when you were down South. Preferably multiples of each.

Hector

 

[Bboy100]

Guys...this is really simple. Does location matter? Yes. Absolutely. Even if you disregard race, different mating markets will yield different results with the same amount of game. Studies have shown that. But everyone here fucking knows that. So I don't really know what this discussion is about. You really have three options:

1. Don't get laid.
2. Learn how to get the results you desire despite the disadvantages of your mating market. Yes, this is possible. Sure, maybe being middle eastern is a roadblock. But for any excuse x that you have for not being able to get girls, there's always a counterexample of someone who has the same disadvantage x as you and is still getting great results.
3. Move to a more favorable mating market.

Take your pick. It's really not complicated.