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Iʼve gotten dates & sex from day game before, so I donʼt think my formula is that bad. But with my current streak being 0 for 24 with a couple of # closes that probably ghosted me, Iʼm thinking I should tweak my approach for more consistent results.
Step 3ʼs duration in particular feels a bit bumpy, but hereʼs my whole routine:
1. Open
I sometimes go direct, especially if the girl is in an Afro or Afro puff — I love those and want to show appreciation that she isnʼt in the usual weave garbage.
However, often I feel like jumping right into a compliment is too abrupt, so usually start with a joke using something in the store. I have various go‑to prop‑based jokes that often get a smile, but if I don’t have one of these, I tend to freeze up and walk away without opening. I wonder if Iʼd be better to just go direct more often.
2. Show Sexual Interest
Easiest with girls who wear natural Afro hair, which I love. (Iʼm also attracted to their facial features and skin tone, but not sure how to say it.) Otherwise, I might say, “you have beautiful eyes,” or a default “you’re cute.” I donʼt comment on clothing, focusing instead on her genes, as thatʼs what sex is really about.
Lately, I’ve started giving “if only” compliments to girls whose genes I like but who ruin it with fake beauty: “You’d be so cute in an Afro!” if sheʼs in weave, or, “You’d be cute without the fake eyelashes.” Sometimes they take it well, sometimes neutrally, but I refuse to endorse fake beauty.
I proceed with, “Tell me your name,” take her hand, and exchange pleasantries. I might caress the bottom of her hand as Iʼm pulling mine back, but alas, I usually forget.
3. Converse Briefly
With African girls, I often have an edge since I’m drawn to them and know a fair bit about their cultures. I can often pinpoint where she’s from and mention something specific, like a city or dish. The girl often opens up here; I score huge novelty points as very few white guys would know such things.
More generally, I try a brief version of Chase’s “deep dive.”
With young women, I ask if she’s a student, what her major is, and why she chose it. The hope is to elicit an interesting backstory. But often, it’s a dead‑end, like “I dunno, I just liked it.”
In a full conversation, you’d naturally look for another topic, but it seems harder to keep things flowing when you’re just standing in a store aisle with a total stranger. I know I should try harder, but at this point, my brain usually just says, “Keep it short — let’s go for the close.” But I wonder now:
How short do these conversations actually need to be?
Unless the girl doesnʼt hook, Iʼm usually the one to end the interaction. I keep it quite brief, since if she ends things, it weakens your position — and she may not have much time.
4. Close
If she’s said something interesting, I’ll give a standard, “Oh, youʼll have to tell me more about that. We should meet up for coffee.”
If the school/work questions come up dry, I’ll say, “Well, I have to finish my shopping, but we should meet up for coffee.” It often feels forced, but it works here and there. I know closing works better when you hit an emotional peak, but I often canʼt find those in really short interactions.
Iʼm often rejected, typically here, though sometimes earlier. But some girls agree to meet; with those I go for her phone number before departing. Usually, I get it, though occasionally she resists despite agreeing to meet.
I don’t try for an insta-date. I expect it to be harder, and I also find it more efficient to be prepared only when I know I have a date. However, if you think I’m much, much more likely to pull same‑day at a mall, I’d reconsider.
Non-Verbals
I do get AIs from girls I like, so my non-verbals canʼt be that bad, but Iʼd call them so-so. Beyond dressing cool, using my natural pheromones, strong eye contact, and occasionally checking mirrors to avoid slouching, I don’t focus much on them. That’s somewhat intentional.
It’s tough to monitor body language during interactions, and I believe the right attitude and positive sexual experiences will instead naturally improve my vibe. Consciously I have the right mental model, but I need better sexual experience, which I suspect affects my conversion rate. I think the solution is to keep approaching, refine the easier tactics, and gain more sexual experience — each lay will improve my vibe.
What do yʼall think? Should I lengthen my approaches? How might that look? Should I open direct more, to avoid missing opportunities and momentum? Should I refocus toward same‑day pulls at the mall?
Step 3ʼs duration in particular feels a bit bumpy, but hereʼs my whole routine:
1. Open
I sometimes go direct, especially if the girl is in an Afro or Afro puff — I love those and want to show appreciation that she isnʼt in the usual weave garbage.
However, often I feel like jumping right into a compliment is too abrupt, so usually start with a joke using something in the store. I have various go‑to prop‑based jokes that often get a smile, but if I don’t have one of these, I tend to freeze up and walk away without opening. I wonder if Iʼd be better to just go direct more often.
2. Show Sexual Interest
Easiest with girls who wear natural Afro hair, which I love. (Iʼm also attracted to their facial features and skin tone, but not sure how to say it.) Otherwise, I might say, “you have beautiful eyes,” or a default “you’re cute.” I donʼt comment on clothing, focusing instead on her genes, as thatʼs what sex is really about.
Lately, I’ve started giving “if only” compliments to girls whose genes I like but who ruin it with fake beauty: “You’d be so cute in an Afro!” if sheʼs in weave, or, “You’d be cute without the fake eyelashes.” Sometimes they take it well, sometimes neutrally, but I refuse to endorse fake beauty.
I proceed with, “Tell me your name,” take her hand, and exchange pleasantries. I might caress the bottom of her hand as Iʼm pulling mine back, but alas, I usually forget.
3. Converse Briefly
With African girls, I often have an edge since I’m drawn to them and know a fair bit about their cultures. I can often pinpoint where she’s from and mention something specific, like a city or dish. The girl often opens up here; I score huge novelty points as very few white guys would know such things.
More generally, I try a brief version of Chase’s “deep dive.”
With young women, I ask if she’s a student, what her major is, and why she chose it. The hope is to elicit an interesting backstory. But often, it’s a dead‑end, like “I dunno, I just liked it.”
In a full conversation, you’d naturally look for another topic, but it seems harder to keep things flowing when you’re just standing in a store aisle with a total stranger. I know I should try harder, but at this point, my brain usually just says, “Keep it short — let’s go for the close.” But I wonder now:
How short do these conversations actually need to be?
Unless the girl doesnʼt hook, Iʼm usually the one to end the interaction. I keep it quite brief, since if she ends things, it weakens your position — and she may not have much time.
4. Close
If she’s said something interesting, I’ll give a standard, “Oh, youʼll have to tell me more about that. We should meet up for coffee.”
If the school/work questions come up dry, I’ll say, “Well, I have to finish my shopping, but we should meet up for coffee.” It often feels forced, but it works here and there. I know closing works better when you hit an emotional peak, but I often canʼt find those in really short interactions.
Iʼm often rejected, typically here, though sometimes earlier. But some girls agree to meet; with those I go for her phone number before departing. Usually, I get it, though occasionally she resists despite agreeing to meet.
I don’t try for an insta-date. I expect it to be harder, and I also find it more efficient to be prepared only when I know I have a date. However, if you think I’m much, much more likely to pull same‑day at a mall, I’d reconsider.
Non-Verbals
I do get AIs from girls I like, so my non-verbals canʼt be that bad, but Iʼd call them so-so. Beyond dressing cool, using my natural pheromones, strong eye contact, and occasionally checking mirrors to avoid slouching, I don’t focus much on them. That’s somewhat intentional.
It’s tough to monitor body language during interactions, and I believe the right attitude and positive sexual experiences will instead naturally improve my vibe. Consciously I have the right mental model, but I need better sexual experience, which I suspect affects my conversion rate. I think the solution is to keep approaching, refine the easier tactics, and gain more sexual experience — each lay will improve my vibe.
What do yʼall think? Should I lengthen my approaches? How might that look? Should I open direct more, to avoid missing opportunities and momentum? Should I refocus toward same‑day pulls at the mall?
