Are thin women desired due to biology or culture?

[Rain]

I asked this in another thread which was locked for different reasons. I'll quote some of whats already been posted

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"Yeah, this is true even historically. In feudal Europe, for example, fatter women were more desired because they had enough access to resources to even become fat so women who were pale pale white and fat were most sought after.
The second point - lots of complexities in there but I'd argue that a large portion of that is society programming ideas of attraction into people. But, this isn't really a black and white answer, either. Keep in mind that if a woman is fat then she's very likely to be marginalized (already) which affects her social interactions with people or her personal attitude which means she's marginalizing herself and those combinations of things make her a little less desirable for a relationship."

I remember a few years ago at work, all guys in a group and they talked a bit before work and one bloke said "Fat chicks need loving too" and another bloke said "Don't admit to that". So that marginalizing even happens among men who date fat chicks it seems?

Example of parallel. Take motor sports where multiple teams compete all on the same day. You watch sports, team A wins most of the time. So next year comes, you keep watching on tv, they're the best, team A keeps winning a lot of their competitions, most of the races but not all. You have an expectation for that. The year after that, suddenly team C beats team A. The commentators go crazy. They beat team A in most of the events. Now your expectation has changed due to what you saw on televison/youtube. So, is that a parallel where what you're seeing, is deciding who you thinks winning. But that's because they are winning, not just a photo on a board that says "winner"... but notice how you're trained to expect Team A to be xyz but then that shifted to team C. eg so now you associate winning or the best with team C?

Some guys claim they can't get it up if shes unattractive. Perhaps that depends on the guy. If you don't like fat chicks for example, but can still get it up, then that means maybe you like them but don't want to identify with them, coming back to culture? Or maybe you were horny? But then what about the guys that say can't get it up.

 

[lostnumber]

Its an interesting question. I would argue that biology plays a much larger role in society in determining what is desirable in a mate. Just as an example, I'm into dominant sex and have been my entire life, and I can't think of anything about society that would ever have pushed me in that direction. Its simply who I am and have always been.

I'm open to evidence that culture has an impact on what traits are considered attractive, it seems plausible from a logical perspective. But my gut tells me that when it comes to physical characteristics or sexual turn-ons its 90% biology.

 

[Rain]

That's an interesting point about what you're into sexually and how can't think of anything in society pushed you that way.

If women ass will jut out/stand out and it looks like a bubble butt, that can be a turn on even if shes fat? But then.... you just like her ass, not her whole rest of her? Do you actually like that, or you're just turned on by nakedness because its right there? An example of a fat chick with tight black pants here, Notice at the end of the 2minute clip what I'm talking about with tight black pants and nakedness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XucehQY40wM

Hmmm maybe it is too big? The male idea of bigger is better in certain areas.... but then you may miss out on other areas like thin arms and legs.... so its proportions overall not just certain areas might be the number 1 that the average guy go for, without taking into account exceptions.

Friends of family fat, one Aunty is a bit fat too, yet I don't seem to have a problem with the women being fat. But then I've known them since I was little. But as well, you're looking at them not in a romantic way. So you identify them as friends/family, not as a partner. So you could go out to dinner, and have no dramas. Because if anyone asked, you'd say they're a friend of the family. Does that mean its not "looks" its identity/who you indentify with?

I was dating an average? curvy? chick. One of her friends was a larger lady and I was glad to be with the curvy one not the larger one. Also, there was a fat chick at the bowling alley as well, and I was glad to be with my curvy chick in that moment. When with that curvy chick though, I did want a skinny chick. So maybe I do value skinniness more than boobs? Or do I value what I don't have more in general.