Areas of the US where looking ethnically "brown" is hardly a setback.

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I don't know a better word for how to describe someone that isn't racially white, black, or East Asian. Now I am Arab but darker skinned, have been confused for Pakistani and even Mexican before so I would think that girls who see me from a distance at a bar would assume I am either of the 3 races. It seems like in the US, brown guys seem to have a lot of negative stigma attached to them. Even the Hispanic guys I knew who were having success with women generally looked very white and weren't darker skinned or anything.

These days if you watch the news or media, a brown guy is either an illegal immigrant, an angry Muslim, or just some foreign weirdo with strange views of women.

Now I am sure that even Chase and Franco can admit that location matters quite a lot and I know from personal experience it does. When I went to Florida as a tall Arab guy, I had a way better reception from white girls and there were cute ones who made out with me in my time there. Back in the state I grew up in (GA), I was not used to having anywhere near this sort of success or attention at all. For my future, I do want to keep in mind the location and places where it would be possible for me to get with good looking women (ideally blonde and white) and where my ethnic appearance won't be a major issue.

So far, here are some areas I feel and from personal experience know are terrible for brown guys and would likely need to avoid. Now I am not saying that a brown guy can't do well in these areas, sure some have, but that it would require an abnormal amount of effort and luck to get hot girls in these places just because he is brown.

California.

It seems like if you aren't black or white, California is a rough state from what I hear on here and even other places. People are very image conscious and generally, groups like Mexicans, Indians, and Arabs have a bad reputation in that state and among the girls there. I've heard that despite the high amounts of Mexicans in California, it is rare to see your typical blonde California beauty with a Mexican guy. I am guessing it is because California girls tend to see people with brown skin as lower class and disgusting. Even heard of Eliot Rodger being pissed and going crazy because the same hot blondes he wanted at UCSB wanted nothing to do with a guy that had his kind of exotic appearance.

The Southwest in general (Vegas, Colorado, Arizona, etc.).

Those areas seem to be hit hard by illegal immigration and it seems like the relations between whites and latinos there are terrible. I would assume that hot girls in those states (at least the white girls I am going for) would see brown skin as something that is lower class, undesirable, and lower status. One of my friends from Arizona who went to grad school at Tempe told me that black guys had a ton of success with hot girls there but it was rare to see your typical hot blonde in Tempe with a Hispanic guy unless that Hispanic guy looked entirely white.

The racist lower midwest.

Missouri, Kansas, Indiana, and those types of states. Again, seem to be the same as California, if you aren't white or black then don't bother but I hear women there are generally ugly anyways so whatever, not even on my radar. Wherever Kentucky is, that state sucks too.

The Bible Belt.

I think it strongly depends on the state, I've had brown friends that said Texas was great for them and met a couple of Arab guys who are doing really well in states like Tennessee. Georgia and Alabama would be, those seem to be the two southern states worst when it comes to interracial relationships.

Certain parts of the northeast.

I am sure NYC is great because it is NYC but I have heard that outside of the major cities like NYC and Phili, the northeast is pretty much nazi Germany in terms of race relations. Lots of clannish whites who tend to dislike minorities a lot. A person I am close to is a Hispanic guy that went to Penn St for college, said that if you aren't white or black, you're SOL but I hear girls there are ugly so whatever.

But I know Florida is good for us, looking to expand the positive list.

I have heard that the upper midwest is cool too and lots of hot girls who are open minded. As for the northwest, I have heard the same thing, not too rare to see brown guys having success in that area either.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I do have mixed feelings about the bible belt as well, on one hand I've been with girls that went to schools like Ole Miss, College of Charleston, and UT (Vols) but I've also met some legitimately racist people from states like Georgia. One guy I knew recently moved from NYC to Atlanta about a year ago, he is ethnically Pakistani and this guy was doing pretty good in NYC but he is struggling in Atlanta. From what he tells me, unless he goes for black girls or brown girls, he is SOL. On the other hand I've met Indian guys from Texas who don't even think being Indian is a setback because they've managed to do so well with the women of Texas.

As for California, I did grow up there and it's pretty bad for brown guys it seems, at least Northern California is. For some reason though, I find that California girls (the hot blondes) tend to not be so hostile and anti-brown as soon as they leave California and go to other states. I think it might just have to do with how the Hispanics in that state tend to segregate themselves from whites and quite a few tend to be aggressive towards the whites in that state. You can't just blame white people here, when brown people move into an area in droves they don't assimilate and they generally establish their own culture which they stick to. I guess California and the southwest states are definitely out of the question if you want to date cute white girls as a brown guy.

I can vouch for NYC though, a brown guy with his shit together can do really well with white girls here, so many transplants to pick from and the best part are the European girls who come here, they hardly have any animosity towards brown men.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Definitely not a setback in Seattle from what I have seen with my own two eyes.

 

[Bastian]

I do have mixed feelings about the bible belt as well, on one hand I've been with girls that went to schools like Ole Miss, College of Charleston, and UT (Vols) but I've also met some legitimately racist people from states like Georgia. One guy I knew recently moved from NYC to Atlanta about a year ago, he is ethnically Pakistani and this guy was doing pretty good in NYC but he is struggling in Atlanta. From what he tells me, unless he goes for black girls or brown girls, he is SOL. On the other hand I've met Indian guys from Texas who don't even think being Indian is a setback because they've managed to do so well with the women of Texas.

As for California, I did grow up there and it's pretty bad for brown guys it seems, at least Northern California is. For some reason though, I find that California girls (the hot blondes) tend to not be so hostile and anti-brown as soon as they leave California and go to other states. I think it might just have to do with how the Hispanics in that state tend to segregate themselves from whites and quite a few tend to be aggressive towards the whites in that state. You can't just blame white people here, when brown people move into an area in droves they don't assimilate and they generally establish their own culture which they stick to. I guess California and the southwest states are definitely out of the question if you want to date cute white girls as a brown guy.

I can vouch for NYC though, a brown guy with his shit together can do really well with white girls here, so many transplants to pick from and the best part are the European girls who come here, they hardly have any animosity towards brown men.

From a social standpoint, the bolded is all you need. Statistically Hispanics in California tend to be immigrants from the last ~50 years or so and from lower sociocultural status than your average White Californian (many of which are graduates from bumfuck nowhere who move for jobs, especially if tech or film related).

Florida is also a big place, "the further South you go the more Northern it becomes" fits to a T. However, even in North Florida most people have progressive views on race relations, obviously discounting those 500 strong "towns", those type of places tend to be aggressive towards foreigners period, haha. Growing up in Central Florida and then in Northern Florida is about as different as Montgomery, AL and Chicago, IL, even more different is Jacksonville vs Miami.

However, race accounts for only ~20% either way when speaking from a personal perspective, and even that can be used as an advantage with better game (exactly because you are "something" she has sparingly done or experienced before if at all). Here is a podcast GC released talking about it https://soundcloud.com/girlschase/9-wil ... ial-dating . Pay close attention to the segment 7:20 as it appeals specifically to your situation, 10:20 also mentions Seattle. It's interesting, do listen to it.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Altair,

Looking back at your field reports, I remember seeing an abundance of instances where girls were being nice to you.

You're not a kissless-virgin because chicks hate brown guys. You're a kissless-virgin because you don't know how to have normal, sexual interactions with women. In other words, you're weird.

Go to Seattle or wherever you think is a haven for brown people.

If you kiss a chick within the first two weeks, I'll give you 2 hours of free coaching. If you get laid within a month, I'll give you 5 hours of free coaching. I want a pic with you and her as proof (doesn't need to be in the act, but preferably so. I'll fap to it with sandpaper).

Look forward to coaching you.

Hector

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I do have mixed feelings about the bible belt as well, on one hand I've been with girls that went to schools like Ole Miss, College of Charleston, and UT (Vols) but I've also met some legitimately racist people from states like Georgia. One guy I knew recently moved from NYC to Atlanta about a year ago, he is ethnically Pakistani and this guy was doing pretty good in NYC but he is struggling in Atlanta. From what he tells me, unless he goes for black girls or brown girls, he is SOL. On the other hand I've met Indian guys from Texas who don't even think being Indian is a setback because they've managed to do so well with the women of Texas.

As for California, I did grow up there and it's pretty bad for brown guys it seems, at least Northern California is. For some reason though, I find that California girls (the hot blondes) tend to not be so hostile and anti-brown as soon as they leave California and go to other states. I think it might just have to do with how the Hispanics in that state tend to segregate themselves from whites and quite a few tend to be aggressive towards the whites in that state. You can't just blame white people here, when brown people move into an area in droves they don't assimilate and they generally establish their own culture which they stick to. I guess California and the southwest states are definitely out of the question if you want to date cute white girls as a brown guy.

I can vouch for NYC though, a brown guy with his shit together can do really well with white girls here, so many transplants to pick from and the best part are the European girls who come here, they hardly have any animosity towards brown men.

From a social standpoint, the bolded is all you need. Statistically Hispanics in California tend to be immigrants from the last ~50 years or so and from lower sociocultural status than your average White Californian (many of which are graduates from bumfuck nowhere who move for jobs, especially if tech or film related).

Florida is also a big place, "the further South you go the more Northern it becomes" fits to a T. However, even in North Florida most people have progressive views on race relations, obviously discounting those 500 strong "towns", those type of places tend to be aggressive towards foreigners period, haha. Growing up in Central Florida and then in Northern Florida is about as different as Montgomery, AL and Chicago, IL, even more different is Jacksonville vs Miami.

However, race accounts for only ~20% either way when speaking from a personal perspective, and even that can be used as an advantage with better game (exactly because you are "something" she has sparingly done or experienced before if at all). Here is a podcast GC released talking about it https://soundcloud.com/girlschase/9-wil ... ial-dating . Pay close attention to the segment 7:20 as it appeals specifically to your situation, 10:20 also mentions Seattle. It's interesting, do listen to it.

Florida is pretty good for brown guys, I know from experience. The girls there were way more receptive to me than they are in the state I was raised in. I mean these were white girls who were good looking being nice to me, got some pretty convincing IOIs, and some good experiences. I am convinced I could have gotten laid there, even had some people telling me I was handsome.

I am thinking from my experience that race can account anywhere from 0% to 80% depending on where you live.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Altair,

Looking back at your field reports, I remember seeing an abundance of instances where girls were being nice to you.

You're not a kissless-virgin because chicks hate brown guys. You're a kissless-virgin because you don't know how to have normal, sexual interactions with women. In other words, you're weird.

Go to Seattle or wherever you think is a haven for brown people.

If you kiss a chick within the first two weeks, I'll give you 2 hours of free coaching. If you get laid within a month, I'll give you 5 hours of free coaching. I want a pic with you and her as proof (doesn't need to be in the act, but preferably so. I'll fap to it with sandpaper).

Look forward to coaching you.

Hector

As soon as I get my living situation worked out, not only will I be doing that, I will likely even have an amateur porn video for you guys. All that being said, you just called me weird and in past threads I get the idea that you're kinda out of touch so no thanks!

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Lol best of luck.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Lol best of luck.

Thank you and I hope you genuinely meant that.

 

[Bastian]

Bro, Hector knows his shit, he just gave you up to 7 hours of his time if you get laid. That's a day's work for free. Yes, race is a factor, but unless you're in the Amazon with uncontacted Native Americans, it's a non-issue with tight game.

To put into context, I used to be Stormfront-level racist along with many of the baggage that come with said viewpoint (e.g., a strong Madonna-Whore complex, haha). Reading GC along with other advances in my life started to damp this view, but the breaking point was when I met another "White" Latina during work. Even though she looked conventionally White, her mother is undeniably mixed. I lost sleep over the thought that I was attracted to a "mestiza", but the more I thought about it, the more it became clear that it matters jack-shit. Not that I am conventionally "White" either, since my ancestors are a mix of Euros + North African Berbers, I fall more towards "White ethnic" range of things.

Point is, racism is a logical viewpoint rather than an emotional/innate one. And as you already know, Love Chemicals > Logic. The whole purpose of game is to strengthen those love chemicals and "bond" her to you. That's why when girls often say what they think they like, it turns out to be completely wrong or irrelevant, most likely a series of coincidences in her life applied with backward rationalization.
Not saying that logic can't override hormones, because it can, but that attraction is not a conscious decision in and of itself, despite that fact that pursing that attraction mostly is.

I hope that makes sense regarding your situation.

 

[Richard]

You're not a kissless-virgin because chicks hate brown guys. You're a kissless-virgin because you don't know how to have normal, sexual interactions with women. In other words, you're weird.

Altair,

You should really think about what Hector said.

If you never acknowledge that the problem is you then you can never take responsibility and step up. Here's a nice quote for you:

“A victim evokes sympathy, right? Victims are not responsible, right? Victims have the moral high ground… someone else is causing the misery, right? Victims can easily justify why they are right. Victims allow themselves to be stuck in the status quo and they excel at seeing the faults in others, ignoring their own re-sponsibility. They love to take others’ inventory of faults and are excellent at blaming. Victims become hypersensitive to real and perceived injustice, where any slight becomes a reason to reject. Victimization is the toxic wind blowing through families, fanning the fires of dysfunction.”

-Richard

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I had a reply ready but the fucking forum crashed, again! Now I was going to somewhat criticize Hector but I decided that it will bring unwanted drama on the forum. Point is, I don't believe that Hector can help get to where I want to be in the game so while I appreciate his offer, I have to refuse.

I know from personal experience of having been to just a couple of states (Florida versus the state I was in when I joined GC) that location matters a lot for us brown guys. Just being in Florida I met a few brown guys who were doing quite well in the game while in the state I am currently in, I've never seen that. For someone to say it hardly matters at all let alone say it means anything (not just hector but others on here) shows me they are somewhat out of touch with reality, especially when Chase recently admitted in his online dating and race post that it does matter.

Florida and Washington seem like good options for guys like me, I just want to know as many different options in the US as possible. Anyone who thinks location doesn't matter or believes that a guy with my ethnic appearance can do well anywhere in the USA is out of touch with reality and probably shouldn't give advice on this thread. There is nothing severely wrong with me, I was just unfortunate enough to be raised in a very unfavorable location.

 

[The Tool]

Just going to put something here.

Grand Pooba is "brown" travels all over the world. And the United States. He games EVERYWHERE and has almost zero issues. Hell ive seen him work game first hand, in front of my own damn eyes in MORE than one state (North and Deep south). And he does extremely well. Why? Because he has EXTREMELY tight fundamentals. He does specifically well with white girls and Asian girls. When he does poorly which of course happens to everyone, he never blames his skin color or ethnicity. Why? Because it REALLY does not matter. It all comes down to confidence, approach, personality, and somewhat your style. Get everything refined and tight like he has and no barrier can stand in your way. The man is a great example of a person who leads by example and crushes racial stereotypes. It all comes down to who one is as a person. We are all people.

And with Chases post, how race can factor in is with INITIAL attraction. Which is before you even talk to the girl. As in. You and her lock eyes across the book store, bar, wherever. Once you approach, and your personality goes full bloom, that initial visual attraction, for the most part goes out the door.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Speaking of Grand Pooba, one city he mentioned was Chicago, think he did really well there. Miss the dude btw, one of my favorite posters on here. I've met a few girls from the upper midwest, they've been very friendly and cool, quite a few of them blonde too.

William mentioned Seattle as being great for him in the race podcast, Grand Pooba said Chicago was good, and I definitely think brown guys can do quite well in NYC so that's 3 good cities right there!

 

[Smurf]

Hector is pretty good at what he does, I know from personal experience. Have you tried switching to a more positive mindset?

Jake.

 

[The Tool]

William mentioned Seattle as being great for him in the race podcast, Grand Pooba said Chicago was good, and I definitely think brown guys can do quite well in NYC so that's 3 good cities right there!

sigh..... THE POINT IS. ONE CAN DO WELL IN ANY CITY!!!!!!!!!!!! Cast aside the victim mentalities. Cast aside that you think most of us "dont understand". Accept who you are. Accept that its not your area. And accept that you have areas of improvement. If you do not improve yourself then no matter where you go you will get the same results.

 

[Inbocca]

William mentioned Seattle as being great for him in the race podcast, Grand Pooba said Chicago was good, and I definitely think brown guys can do quite well in NYC so that's 3 good cities right there!

sigh..... THE POINT IS. ONE CAN DO WELL IN ANY CITY!!!!!!!!!!!! Cast aside the victim mentalities. Cast aside that you think most of us "dont understand". Accept who you are. Accept that its not your area. And accept that you have areas of improvement. If you do not improve yourself then no matter where you go you will get the same results.

Chase was talking on a podcast about a few cities like Toronto, Atlanta, and some places on the west coast that are notoriously hard to pick up girls, and mentioned these cities tend to yield the most successful PUAs in the game. These guys get the hardest trial by fire and they are pros afterwards.

Even if you're right about these places, OP, what you're talking about is the equivalent of moving off the mountain onto the bunny hill. I'm not gonna throw shade on you for making things easier on yourself. Plus Seattle is a great place to live in general. But moving isn't going to fix the issue by itself. Even if these mythical "brown-havens" yield results for you, you'll still see issues when you go anywhere else until you fine tune those elements of your game. The people telling you this aren't trying to put you down, they want you to save yourself a few years by jumping to the main issue.

 

[Grand Pooba]

Grand Pooba is "brown" travels all over the world. And the United States. He games EVERYWHERE and has almost zero issues. Hell ive seen him work game first hand, in front of my own damn eyes in MORE than one state (North and Deep south). And he does extremely well. Why? Because he has EXTREMELY tight fundamentals. He does specifically well with white girls and Asian girls. When he does poorly which of course happens to everyone, he never blames his skin color or ethnicity. Why? Because it REALLY does not matter. It all comes down to confidence, approach, personality, and somewhat your style. Get everything refined and tight like he has and no barrier can stand in your way. The man is a great example of a person who leads by example and crushes racial stereotypes. It all comes down to who one is as a person. We are all people.

Tool is building me up here a little bit much =D but yeah I do travel all over and do like to run game in different cities - including places like Texas, Wisconsin, SF/LA/SD, the South (North Carolina, South Carolina, etc) where it's supposed to be hard to pick up girls in as a brown guy according to OP, and I've succeeded. If you defy stereotypes like noted above with awesome fundamentals and such, and you have a cool guy vibe, girls tend to hook pretty hard - not because of your look, but because you're a cool guy. One advantage of gaming in these areas if you've reached this level is that there are fewer "cool" males to compete with - a stark contrast to, say, New York or LA, where there are tons of very high value men around.

Skin color does matter to a degree, but overall you can find enough women of your type that also like your skin tone and if they like who you are as a person and like hanging out with you, the "skin color" factor starts to drop away with a lot of women.

He does specifically well with white girls and Asian girls.

...and brown girls....and black girls...and latinas...and martians...and earthlings...lol. But generally I go for Asian girls, because that's the look that I like the best. Hottest girlfriend ever was a blonde white girl, though - she would routinely get hit on right in front of me while we were out.

And with Chases post, how race can factor in is with INITIAL attraction. Which is before you even talk to the girl. As in. You and her lock eyes across the book store, bar, wherever. Once you approach, and your personality goes full bloom, that initial visual attraction, for the most part goes out the door.

Correct - there are many times where I'll approach a girl and initially she'll be intimidated, or judging me as a stereotype - but by sticking in the interaction for thirty seconds or a minute longer in a cool-guy way that makes it fun, makes her feel feminine, and a bit of a sexual vibe, she sees that I'm not the stereotype.

This was discussed in the podcast.

For many of the women I've been with I'm the first or only brown guy they've ever been with - which I love, because it's another chance to break stereotypes if we create a truly awesome experience together. Also, if she's initially resistant and you overcome that resistance, it makes the "reward" of having you that much sweeter and stronger.

one city he mentioned was Chicago, think he did really well there.

Have never hooked up in Chicago, was only there for one night, but there's a lot of potential there and I know a couple of Indian/Paki guys who have killed it there - especially with blonde women.

In fact, my cousin (who is brown) used to live in Chicago and over three or four years all of his girlfriends were blonde and blue eyed. Met one once, very sexy.

Chase was talking on a podcast about a few cities like Toronto, Atlanta, and some places on the west coast that are notoriously hard to pick up girls, and mentioned these cities tend to yield the most successful PUAs in the game. These guys get the hardest trial by fire and they are pros afterwards.

Yeah even in these places it's not necessarily harder if you have your shit together and know what you're doing. I've been successful on the west coast, as have a couple guys here. But for training, because it tends to be rough, they do create some superstars.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

William mentioned Seattle as being great for him in the race podcast, Grand Pooba said Chicago was good, and I definitely think brown guys can do quite well in NYC so that's 3 good cities right there!

sigh..... THE POINT IS. ONE CAN DO WELL IN ANY CITY!!!!!!!!!!!! Cast aside the victim mentalities. Cast aside that you think most of us "dont understand". Accept who you are. Accept that its not your area. And accept that you have areas of improvement. If you do not improve yourself then no matter where you go you will get the same results.

Chase was talking on a podcast about a few cities like Toronto, Atlanta, and some places on the west coast that are notoriously hard to pick up girls, and mentioned these cities tend to yield the most successful PUAs in the game. These guys get the hardest trial by fire and they are pros afterwards.

Even if you're right about these places, OP, what you're talking about is the equivalent of moving off the mountain onto the bunny hill. I'm not gonna throw shade on you for making things easier on yourself. Plus Seattle is a great place to live in general. But moving isn't going to fix the issue by itself. Even if these mythical "brown-havens" yield results for you, you'll still see issues when you go anywhere else until you fine tune those elements of your game. The people telling you this aren't trying to put you down, they want you to save yourself a few years by jumping to the main issue.

Dude's a virgin, he just needs some pussy and from my experience, yes, getting laid can somewhat fix the issue but it won't do it completely. I still have some issues relating to game even though I've gotten laid a good bit. Still though, some solution is better than no solution and for the few rare times, I disagree with Grand Pooba and do think location matters a lot.

Plus everyone throws around "fundamentals", you're not going to be practicing game in the conservative southern states unless you're in a really big city there. Lots of religious zealots and morally self-righteous people to deal with in order to even worry that much about game.

I am appalled that after many expert minds have said location matters a lot, especially if you're a minority, everyone throws around generic advice of "but work on your fundamentals bro".

I myself am a big big believer in the fact that confidence comes from achievement and competence. You can read all the girlschase posts a million times and all the PUA manuals but until you have finally gotten laid (which OP hasn't), you won't have that much luck. My luck changed dramatically when I moved to NYC, I think that location matters a lot and if you deny it then I don't really know what to tell you.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Grand Pooba,

A couple of things with your post.

1.

The south is a big region and from my experience of having been with southern girls who have moved to NYC, they can range from open minded and curious about brown guys to absolutely against going for them depending on the state they are from. I've met successful brown guys in Texas and one girl I slept with from there told me it was somewhat common for Hispanic guys to date white girls there. Due to all of that, I've found that I do particularly well with Texas girls when it comes to girls from the south and have slept with a couple of them while having amazing encounters with other ones.

Charleston also seems to be an amazing city in terms of having girls open to going for brown guys from what I have heard, seen, and somewhat experienced (currently have a Tinder match who is a hot brunette from there, got a date with her soon). A lot of guys tell me that South Carolina girls are curious about more exotic looking guys, might have to stay in Charleston when I get a chance to try my luck there.

Now that being said, some southern states like Alabama and especially Georgia from what I hear are rough in this regard. One of my friends from Atlanta is a black guy who I occasionally have as a wing and he himself told me how bad things are there and in the state in general when it comes to this sort of stuff. Even on girlschase I've read that it is a bad place to run game in, especially as a darker skinned guy.

2.

You say fewer "cool" males but know that "cool" changes dramatically based on where you are. When I went to college in a college town in the northeast, "cool" was a drunk white frat boy (even if he was overweight) and these guys got the hottest girls. As soon as I moved to NYC, I noticed that "cool" was more along the lines of what girlschase preaches and the stuff on this site started working in my favor.

Don't be too surprised if you try running game in some conservative college town and find that time and time again, overweight drunk guys that chew tobacco are getting hot girls over you. In some places a hipster is cool while in others a bro type of guy is more cool. Similarly I've noticed that certain areas tend to attract girls (parts of Brooklyn here in NYC are great examples) that love a darker skinned guy with his shit together.