Areas of the US where looking ethnically "brown" is hardly a setback.

[Grand Pooba]

Don't be too surprised if you try running game in some conservative college town and find that time and time again, overweight drunk guys that chew tobacco are getting hot girls over you. In some places a hipster is cool while in others a bro type of guy is more cool. Similarly I've noticed that certain areas tend to attract girls (parts of Brooklyn here in NYC are great examples) that love a darker skinned guy with his shit together.

Lol...look, location DOES matter, in the sense that you might have more results in one region than in another, but you can also reach a point in your game and in your masculinity where it DOESN'T MATTER because you just understand women and you know what to do DESPITE your circumstances. Does that make sense? Not saying you can get EVERY girl, but you can still find girls who like you in these places.

Anyway, you guys are going to believe whatever you want to believe. Which is fine if it suits you. In the mean time, I will bang those girls you don't think you can get while I'm traveling in the South =D.

 

[The Tool]

Lol...look, location DOES matter, in the sense that you might have more results in one region than in another, but you can also reach a point in your game and in your masculinity where it DOESN'T MATTER because you just understand women and you know what to do DESPITE your circumstances. Does that make sense? Not saying you can get EVERY girl, but you can still find girls who like you in these places.

Anyway, you guys are going to believe whatever you want to believe. Which is fine if it suits you. In the mean time, I will bang those girls you don't think you can get while I'm traveling in the South =D.

A MILLION TIMES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love you bro

 

[Inbocca]

Plus everyone throws around "fundamentals", you're not going to be practicing game in the conservative southern states unless you're in a really big city there. Lots of religious zealots and morally self-righteous people to deal with in order to even worry that much about game.

I am appalled that after many expert minds have said location matters a lot, especially if you're a minority, everyone throws around generic advice of "but work on your fundamentals bro".

I myself am a big big believer in the fact that confidence comes from achievement and competence. You can read all the girlschase posts a million times and all the PUA manuals but until you have finally gotten laid (which OP hasn't), you won't have that much luck. My luck changed dramatically when I moved to NYC, I think that location matters a lot and if you deny it then I don't really know what to tell you.

I try not to talk poorly about people's homelands, but I'm not a big fan of the South for a lot of reasons. A buddy of mine from Alabama told me a lot of the same stuff, it's definitely no picnic and interracial activities are frowned upon at best, legally persecuted at worst. If someone isn't really family-oriented or doesn't have a career they can't migrate within, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to move away from there as quickly as possible.

Some places are naturally harder for some people. In that situation, you can do one of two things: leave (when possible it leads to easier results) or get better. I imagine there aren't a lot of PUAs in Syria right now. Conservative country, strict governmental authority (with a large degree of arbitrary justice), and 90% of the country is an active war zone. Plus there, not a lot of people have the option to leave. If some dude there has the dream to get really good at pick-up, he's pretty much got one choice and that's to find a way to make it work. How's he gonna do that? Fundamentals. Figuring out what girls in that area are going to go for and becoming that. And of course not getting shot or blown up every day.

Obviously this is an extreme example, but imagine Syrian PUA gets really good at what he does and decides he wants to leave once the war gets over. He's not going to have nearly as hard of a time in other places because he's already put the work in to get to that level. Even the Southeast USA - which would definitely be a bit of a culture shock and, assuming he's ethnically Syrian, he'd definitely face that anti-brown stigma we're talking about - would ultimately be easier, because now he has his fundamentals on point and has the experience of adjusting himself to the women in his area.

Location matters. Fundamentals matter more. Attitude probably matters most though; if you tell yourself you can't make it in X place because Y pigment and Z social attitude, it's going to come across in your interactions and you'll be sinking your own ship. Which is why it wouldn't surprise me if OP finds some success in Seattle or Florida; his mindset will impact his success. He'll still need his fundamentals on par, but he'll believe it's at least possible. He'll always have issues in the South until he finds a way to beat this mentality though.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I am originally from the south myself but Korean and it is a big region, that's for sure. While I don't doubt that cities like Austin and Charleston are great for guys of all races, I am happy that I moved to Seattle. Getting out of the south and moving to Seattle really did wonders for me. I take part in the race and game part because I know from experience how much it can matter.

Moved to Seattle and immediately, it was huge for my own success, might start writing lay reports for you guys and at this point I might be able to get quick pics of the girls nude on my bed. The many IOIs in public from cute girls, good reception on online dating, seeing other Asian guys who weren't as good looking as me having success, and an overall good reception created this positive feedback loop in my head. Ever since then, I've been doing well but I know from personal experience how much location can matter.

It's funny because I meet younger Asian guys here who are in college or even high school, these guys are doing well in the game and dating girls of all races. To these guys, Asian being a "setback" in the game doesn't even occur to them. Throughout their lives they have seen Asian guys dating hot girls of all races to the point where they don't even think about race all that much. Most of these guys do not even think about being Asian as any disadvantage at all, they're proud, but it's because of that positive feedback loop.

As with fundamentals that people keep preaching, back down south I had a great body (gained a few pounds recently) and considered myself to be socially outgoing. Even after all I was doing, I found "country boys" and the rich frat bros getting almost all of the decent looking girls. After a while, the feeling of giving up just came over me, not even online dating was working out. In many parts of the region except for a few cities here and there, it is almost like people are stuck in the time of Puritans mixed with some racism.

I doubt even the new me who has had all this success could do well down there but I know one thing for sure on this thread from my own experience, you have to be a fool to think that with the state of mind the dude is in right now, he could all of a sudden start doing well down south. It doesn't work like that, you can't fake confidence or any of this. After all of the success I have had in Seattle, I feel somewhat different towards the game but that came because I moved to Seattle and had success.

You can't just make shit up in your head and the whole "you can do anything you set your mind to" mentality is bullshit, it doesn't work in game, and it gives the entire pickup industry a bad name. Social norms exist for a reason and if you want to game girls at a KKK rally while being a minority, be my guest, I'll stick to gaming fine hipster girls in the northwest.

No amount of attitude or "fundamentals" in the world are going to net you success in areas of the country that aren't made for you to have success in, if you want to live in your fantasy world then do so but don't tell struggling guys who clearly need some legitimate assistance its all about attitude and "fundamentals". They matter but I would argue that location matters just as much.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

but you can also reach a point in your game and in your masculinity where it DOESN'T MATTER because you just understand women and you know what to do DESPITE your circumstances. .

You won't reach that point from point zero, you just won't reach it. The guy is a virgin, he is not going to reach that point until he has a few decent lays under his belt and he won't be getting them because he hasn't reached that point yet.

The best answer to this situation is a better location, as I said, the one city I will always vouch for is Seattle. I have seen so many Asian and brown guys having success here that it is unreal.

I believe I have reached a point to where my game and masculinity are up there, even then, I would not bother with most areas of the south. Yes you can get women anywhere but you will have to dramatically lower your standards. For every beautiful brunette I've fucked here in Seattle, I would have to put in twice the work to get an average looking brunette back in the city I was raised in.

 

[The Tool]

Pooba and I right now.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Posters don't agree with my "do anything you can set your mind to" garbage so instead I am going to call all of them ignorant, how disrespectful. Everyone knows that I have been doing all I can but it isn't working out but you just cannot reason with some people, at all. They are completely oblivious to the struggles of another person and keep spewing generic pick up garbage like "you aren't trying hard enough" or "you can do anything you set your mind to". If anyone is ignorant, it is surely them.

Thank you all who are staying on topic and actually listing cities as opposed to attacking me and giving garbage advice such as "you can do anything you set your mind to". I strongly doubt people saying that sort of garbage have much real world experience in close minded areas.

Because you have no real world experience you're automatically going to start calling victims, don't even know why you people bother to post on a thread when all you're doing is calling someone a victim, have no fucking idea of how horrible things are in their current area, and don't even have the fucking decency to list some good cities.

I truly admire the posters on this thread that stuck with it and listed some good cities, definitely wrote those cities down, and hope the others pointing fingers when they have no fucking idea of how bad things are in my city can go away.

I do agree, pretty hard to be confident and "masculine" when you have nothing but failure in your area after time and time and time again of trying. You can't reason with some of these guys though, they would tell me to make a time machine, go back to Alabama in the 1950s, and start gaming white women there because they truly are in their own little world, just not worth it to reason with them at all.

I just hope that Franco doesn't lock this thread so others who have been giving good advice instead of looking to kick someone when they are down can continue to give good advice about location which matters a whole fucking lot.

 

[Richard]

Posters don't agree with my "do anything you can set your mind to" garbage so instead I am going to call all of them ignorant, how disrespectful. Everyone knows that I have been doing all I can but it isn't working out but you just cannot reason with some people, at all. They are completely oblivious to the struggles of another person and keep spewing generic pick up garbage like "you aren't trying hard enough" or "you can do anything you set your mind to". If anyone is ignorant, it is surely them.

Thank you all who are staying on topic and actually listing cities as opposed to attacking me and giving garbage advice such as "you can do anything you set your mind to". I strongly doubt people saying that sort of garbage have much real world experience in close minded areas.

Because you have no real world experience you're automatically going to start calling victims, don't even know why you people bother to post on a thread when all you're doing is calling someone a victim, have no fucking idea of how horrible things are in their current area, and don't even have the fucking decency to list some good cities.

I truly admire the posters on this thread that stuck with it and listed some good cities, definitely wrote those cities down, and hope the others pointing fingers when they have no fucking idea of how bad things are in my city can go away.

I do agree, pretty hard to be confident and "masculine" when you have nothing but failure in your area after time and time and time again of trying. You can't reason with some of these guys though, they would tell me to make a time machine, go back to Alabama in the 1950s, and start gaming white women there because they truly are in their own little world, just not worth it to reason with them at all.

I just hope that Franco doesn't lock this thread so others who have been giving good advice instead of looking to kick someone when they are down can continue to give good advice about location which matters a whole fucking lot.

Dude. Shut up.

I grew up in South Chicago where people getting shot, jumped, stabbed, etc. was a daily occurrence where, in a neighborhood that was predominantly black, being white meant that you were often fucked with, tested, or attacked - because I was white I had a lot of groups of black people try to fuck with me. These same people had a monopoly on the women because they were the dominant and powerful ones in my area as well. Every aspect of socializing was dictated by them and I was not invited and I was surrounded by people who just gave in and decided that life was just unfair - I know what the fuck you're doing because I grew up around it and have seen it in people my entire life.

I'm not privileged, I stay in the same house I did when I was in high school, surrounded by the same people who tried to fuck with me but now I'm successful with women, and am making a life for myself. Don't ever talk to me about what it means to struggle. All I see you do is complain about not pulling women and getting laid; that's not a struggle - I've had guns pointed at my head, I've had knives pulled on me, I've had my life threatened numerous times, I've had Latin Kings jump me for dating a Latina. Don't ever implicate that I don't know what I'm talking about or that I don't know where you're coming from.

Being "brown" in a white society is no different than being "white" in a predominantly black one if you want to look at micro-cultures. I didn't overcome all of this bullshit by taking on this mentality that I should just move - it took me so much energy and so much grind to get to where I'm at and I seriously doubt you've put in that kind of time and energy into your life. If you did you wouldn't be complaining and victimizing the way that you have been as long as I've been seeing you post.

Anyway, go ahead and move to another city and I will not be surprised if these same fucking issues you're posting about continue to occur. I don't think you have what it takes (at least right now, anyway) to look at the real issue and tackle that instead. Eventually you'll reach a point where you have to look at the real issue and then you'll either have to step up or continue to place blame on others and never take responsibility.

I wish you the best of luck, dude.

Franco & Chase - Sorry for the hostility on my end here but this is a sore spot for me and I'm not going to bite my tongue. If my thread or response needs to be removed, feel free to do so but I felt Altair needed to hear this.

-Richard

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I shared my success story in Seattle and all of a sudden I get called a victim and my posts ignorant?

I am happy I didn't ask some of you guys for help but when I was down south, would not have had the success I am having now in Seattle. If you think dating latinas and black girls as a white guy is the same as dating white girls as a minority, you're dearly mistaken but I won't even get into all of this, it's for another thread.

This right here is my problem with the entire pickup community, a lack of understanding of the situation for other people. If I listened to the people on this thread, I would not have moved to Seattle and I would not have been hooking up with cute white girls. I would have been back down south settling for fat white girls or watching porn. Moving to Seattle did wonders for me and people keep talking about masculinity, you don't build that shit until you become competent.

All a guy dude did was ask for some good cities and the ignorant people on this thread just attacked a guy in a tough situation. I am 110% sure no one in here has spent time in the south for a long time or was even raised there, unless you were, shut the fuck up. Yet here we have this arrogant piece of shit know it alls giving a guy advice.

I am living proof that if I listened to the advice from any of these arrogant guys, I would still be back down south getting fat girls at best.

I don't give a fuck how strong, alpha, or whatever you are in some areas of the south as a minority, you are not getting hot girls, period. I will say it a million times bitches, not even the me of now could go back down south and pull hot girls, some parts of that region are a fucking mess.

It truly is sad that some guys on this forum are so selfish that they have an issue with naming cities some guy of a minority group can do well in. I will happily vouch for Seattle and when guys like William Gupta, who has written about race and actually knows his shit, are saying location matters then fuck you, location matters.

It's sad we can't have a peaceful discussion about good cities for guys of minority groups without some egomaniacs way out of touch with reality saying bullshit like "but don't like a victim bro!" or "you have issues" instead of engaging in the discussion.

Altair doesn't need to hear shit, he's heard it all, he needs to fucking move. Fuck the whole pep talk, not even Sami Khedira would pull in some areas of the south. Action is needed and that action is changing location, I say that as an Asian guy who a couple of years ago was in the same fucking situation as Altair and turned his fortune around.

 

[Richard]

Enjoy the rest of the thread, fellas.

I've made my arrogant, ignorant, white-privilege post and I'm not intelligent enough to do anything but stick to it.

Guess I'll go read the Bible now.

 

[Bboy100]

I gotta be honest with you guys,

I'm pretty much white, but I still agree with Altair on this one. I forgot which state it was in...but I remember hearing of a place where the police literally pull black people over JUST FOR BEING BLACK. There are some places in the US which are openly racist. And many more which look down upon minorities and people of color.

So the main question you guys have been discussing is: Is it possible to be successful as a minority in an area like that? Imo, the answer is....who cares? Even if it is possible, I think we would all agree that it's not the most efficient way of improving your love life. Clearly, based on the experience of everyone on this thread, if it is at all possible, its so difficult that its probably easier to uproot your life and move to somewhere where minorities are more accepted. In other words, if you're brown, its probably easier to move to a place like Seattle and start a life there (new job, new apartment and everything) than it is to get your game to a point where you can pull hot girls in racist states.

Having said that, I guess I should mention that I'm a guy who's white and has lived in the Seattle area (one of the most liberal, diverse and accepting areas in the US) since I was three years old. So I'm just theorizing here. I have no personal experience to back this up.

Just my two cents.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

So the date with the brunette from Charleston didn't happen, she flaked, it's on the field reports section and that night ended up being wild as well as embarrassing.

I gotta be honest with you guys,

I'm pretty much white, but I still agree with Altair on this one. I forgot which state it was in...but I remember hearing of a place where the police literally pull black people over JUST FOR BEING BLACK. There are some places in the US which are openly racist. And many more which look down upon minorities and people of color.

So the main question you guys have been discussing is: Is it possible to be successful as a minority in an area like that? Imo, the answer is....who cares? Even if it is possible, I think we would all agree that it's not the most efficient way of improving your love life. Clearly, based on the experience of everyone on this thread, if it is at all possible, its so difficult that its probably easier to uproot your life and move to somewhere where minorities are more accepted. In other words, if you're brown, its probably easier to move to a place like Seattle and start a life there (new job, new apartment and everything) than it is to get your game to a point where you can pull hot girls in racist states.

Having said that, I guess I should mention that I'm a guy who's white and has lived in the Seattle area (one of the most liberal, diverse and accepting areas in the US) since I was three years old. So I'm just theorizing here. I have no personal experience to back this up.

Just my two cents.

I think it's truly difficult to have that top tier confidence when you're in such an area, especially when you haven't had any previous success. Many times, it's not about racism as much as it is about the area and it's norms. Ever since I moved to NYC from a bro-type place in the state, my confidence has been up there with women. You just can't fake this, it comes with good experiences. You become confident and a top tier guy once you've had some actual success, you don't fake it or get it by reading some piece of information that's meant to be motivational stuff.

Even back in my old town I had some success but it was a joke compared to the success I am here in NYC. I could not have faked the confidence I have now back then, it is just something that comes with actually accomplishing things.

Chase talked about the importance of location in abundance mentality, I always agreed with him there. You can have success in terrible areas a minority but what it will involve is having top tier game, being a top tier guy, and settling for girls a couple ratings below you. So you would be settling for 5s and 6s if you're a guy who is overall an 8, why do that when you can have a 7 or 8 in some areas?

One thing I will add is that I have been with girls from "racist" areas of the country here in NYC, them being in NYC made all the difference, doubt I could have pulled them back in their home states.

 

[alleniverson]

Altair,

Visited Athens Georgia with my Indian friend earlier this year. Went out to the bars and he fucked a UGA sorority girl who was probably an 8. The reason you're not getting laid is because you don't think you can. It is your fault, not your environment's.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Altair,

Visited Athens Georgia with my Indian friend earlier this year. Went out to the bars and he fucked a UGA sorority girl who was probably an 8. The reason you're not getting laid is because you don't think you can. It is your fault, not your environment's.

My reaction when I think "haha, finally he'll see!" but then also my reaction when I know he will conjure an excuse.

Hector

 

[Smith]

Altair, just move to New York, Seattle or Florida. Move to Florida if u had such a good result there. Once you move, you have to commit to going out every day and talk to at least 20 women. You're making your location more of a big deal than it actually is.

 

[Marcellus]

I'm posting this just to get the notifications. This thread is so funny.
{Please Continue Guys}

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I am currently in Chicago, it's pretty good here for brown guys of all sorts. One guy I know who works at a bar is from Chile but he kinda looks like Arturo Vidal (the soccer player), he has a lot of success here.

Altair,

Visited Athens Georgia with my Indian friend earlier this year. Went out to the bars and he fucked a UGA sorority girl who was probably an 8. The reason you're not getting laid is because you don't think you can. It is your fault, not your environment's.

Of all the posts I read in this thread, had to really question this one and it isn't even about race at all. I am familiar with Athens and its social culture, spent the past summer there, my cousin goes to Georgia, and he is in a well-respected house. There has to be more to this, maybe your friend was in a fraternity himself, perhaps the girl was brown herself or in a brown sorority, she might have been a girl who used to be in a sorority but then dropped out, or your friend had some serious in. I find it tough to believe that you just visited the town and your friend pulled an 8, there has to be more to this story that you're not telling us.

Even if he was a white guy, I would be asking the same question because Athens in my experience is by far one of the toughest college towns to pull in as an outsider.

 

[Inbocca]

And even if the moon landing was taped in 1080p, some people would still call it a hoax. Nonbelievers will always justify their doubt.

There really are two kinds of guys on this thread. Well, and Marcellus, just laughing at the whole thing.

So white guys AND brown guys can't pull sorority girls in Athens? Do these girls have to go to another state to get laid or is the vibrator market just really good down there?

 

[alleniverson]

We knew people there but not the chick he fucked, who was white btw.. And I have had a different experience in Athens. People say the same thing about my university when just Friday night I saw a hot ass sorority girl go home with some thug lookin mothafucka.

I fear the talk on some of these posts leads people to believe that taking home a girl and having sex with her involves the same logical emotionless hyper analysis throughout the process. Just fucking go for it. Sex is happening all over the place for people who don't analyze their every move and have a formula. The things that these girls will do is mind blowing if you just believe, baby. Believe and go for it and learn from that. Don't blame the outside world, because it's been proven time and again that the girls we all once believed to be waiting for their Prince Charming can be fucked in the bathroom by other men. That can be you if you give it a shot.

 

[Smurf]

Altair, this is the 1736393 post on this bullshit. And almost every time, people are nice and helpful to you, as am I, even though I know I should just be a cunt in the first place. I've been there man, in middle school and high school I got rejected because of my race. Did I cry? No. I found a way around the shit and grew.

Stop making these fucking posts about how hard your life is when there's people in your exact if not worse situation actually taking ACTION to work on themselves.

Keep feeling sorry for yourself, I'm sure someone will pick you up and coddle you for the rest of your life.

Sorry for my negativity but I hate complacent people who do nothing to change their current development as a man.

Jake.