I'll make this very simple so we can move on from this discussion. I said to me 'reds' are girls who are either or a combination of: Not physically attracted to you (this one you can tell immediately via her subconscious facial expression to you upon approach. This is the kind of reaction an ugly person (even if he's styled his hair in the fuckboy haircut like you recommended to him, works out, and dresses "high status"), is all too familiar with. Maybe you guys should go out cold approaching sometime with a facially unattractive wingman, so you can see for yourself the reactions he typically gets on a night out (not saying he'll never get laid via cold approach. Because there do exists 'greens' who won't find him ugly) if you were lucky in the genetic lottery (you would rate yourself a 7+) and don't typically receive that kind of reaction yourself. Because this is a perspective you simply will not understand, if you aren't ugly yourself) or not sexually available to you (has a guy who fulfills her sexual needs and she's obsessed with him - for an SNL, our biggest value proposition is going in with the lover frame...where you communicate (non-verbally and verbally via frames) that you will fulfill her unmet sexual needs that her boring husband or borefriend fails to provide...but what if the guy she's with does satisfy her sexual needs?) Those you can't flip.
And then I said there are your 'reds' that are flippable. Those who do find you attractive, but are just in a bad mood, where she's not really open to talking to anyone, upon you approaching her. I believe YS posted a Field Report where the girl he approached wasn't feeling him, but because her friends did like him and even encouraged her to lighten up. Via that social proof, he was able to win her over.
Then I said that approaching (or being approached by) a girl, after displaying preselection/social proof, in front of a girl who potentially might be a red is legit. But at that point...she's not really a red, as Skills said, which I agreed with. I have lay reports I've written were this was the case. Because of that social proof/preselection, I was able to get the attention of a girl that probably wouldn't have given me the time had I approached her first.
lol girls in clubs give HOT GUYS the subconscious look of disgust you are mentioning as a sign of a “true red”. Hence why the concept is useless. HOT GUYS get that look too. From the perspective of these guys, they just got shot down all while being good looking dudes. this “subconscious look of disgust” is NOT 100% proof of impossibility to lay, it is only evidence. And if there isn’t 100% certainty, then she is NOT a true red, which is why there’s a scale, since knowing completely is also not possible.
You can define a “red” as whatever you want.
Red = girl you don’t have sex with (subjective)
Red = girl too impractical to have sex with (subjective)
Red = girl impossible to have sex with (impossible to 100% prove. Only girls you can meet and not have sex with are dead ones)
And a green likewise.
It’s all goal post moving and semantics battling
“No, she wasn’t a
true red, just a hidden yellow lol” <== this shit is notruescotsman101. Redefining a concept when it is convenient. You have done this a lot
@Velasco and you will continue to do it. But it’s not your fault, since the concepts themselves lend themselves to being easily redefined.
Maybe the use of the light system should be discouraged since as a framework it adds nothing new to anyone’s lives - literally just synonyms for “csnt fuck”, “maybe can fuck” and “definitely can fuck” or whatever you find useful.
You are basing a “true red” off of physical attractiveness, all while hot guys get the same look of disgust as ugly guys. So you need to move the goal post again. Please, use another phenomena. You then base a “true red” off of sexual availability, all while girls lie about their relationship situation or cheat on their boyfriends.
All your criteria for whether she is a “true red” are 100% based off your gut feeling, the same gut feeling guys get when they see a set and say “no, she’d just shoot me down”. You’re trying to take
your gut feeling and apply it to everyone on earth - “bro, if u approach and you see these signs, then you had 0 chance with her; if you
can’t see them, then you just need more infield experience.” Lmao you need to do at least 100,000 approaches till you can be a licensed mind reader
Edit:
This is also my last post in this thread. Expect more redefining, no true Scotsman, and goal post moving past this point. If you are a reader, then the primary lesson you should glean is that attraction/compliance can be created, and that it is not easy to do, and that is all
