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Tribal Elder
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I am a complete noob and idiot to texting. Always relied on day game impression leading. Recently tried Tinder. Did the thing above (merge POB + Skills). I dig the clockwork funnel type approach.

Me: "Hi :)"
Her: "Heluu"
Me: "Are you the angel I'm looking for?"
Her: "That could be."
Me: "What do you like to read?"
Her: "Romance books ahaha"
Me:" Hahah you know, I noticed something interesting about your profile."
Her: "Oh what's that?"
Me: "Your gaze"
Her: "I've heard that before, more intense in real life."
Me: "If I were to guess then I'd say you re extremely honest with people, a bit like me."
Her: "Absolutely haha"
Me: "I don't think this is going to work in real life, the world isn't ready for it, everyone is going to go nuts and get jealous over our energy."
Me: "But tell me something about yourself, how does the guys treat you here?"
Her: "I think it's worth it, let the people just be jealous and wish they were us."
Her: "Someone said "So sexy come to by bed... not my vibe"

Me: "OH wow lots of creeps I guess. I guess the bar is low which is to my favor :) Any good experiences?"
Her: "Hahaha I've been invited on dates and met nice people I thought were genuine but didn't vibe. So now I'm just on Tinder and what happens happens."
Me: "Hahah I can't complain myself, I've been treated good here. What would you say are your best two qualities that has nothing to do with your appearance?
Her: "My compassion and I'm good at communicating. And you?"
Me: "My sense of humor and relationship skills. Name, how happy would you say your life is right now from 1 to 10? 10 being best."
Her: "Hmm 6 right now, not where I want to be right now."
Me: "Interesting, I'm not 10/10 either because I'm always trying to imrprove and I miss my jiu jitsu club. Name I think you seem safe and someone worth knowing. I am barely rarely here so you can text at 2319853 and say you're Name from Tinder so I know who you are. If I don't reply right away it's not because I'm trying to let you wait but because I might be busy with work."

Her Text: "Hi It's Name *kissing emoji*"

I have no idea what I'm doing but seems to work ??

MV
a bit of freestyling, but it was not too bad.... now you reward,

hey! my favorite Glazing girl, i was looking forward getting to know you here, here finishing up with clients (or any high value activity), what are you up to besides thinking of me and smiling???

then you follow texting structure... i will post 2 important posts (but try to freestyle minimally till you get the flow of things)


 

MrVariety

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a bit of freestyling, but it was not too bad.... now you reward,

hey! my favorite Glazing girl, i was looking forward getting to know you here, here finishing up with clients (or any high value activity), what are you up to besides thinking of me and smiling???

then you follow texting structure... i will post 2 important posts (but try to freestyle minimally till you get the flow of things)



Awesome thanks. Too much freestyling, wdym? I felt already like I was sort of disregarding her responses too already and it was a bit surprising how much I got away with it already, I feel like I have to tailor the responses a little bit so I don't come across completely disregarding, but I guess women don't really care?

MV
 

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Awesome thanks. Too much freestyling, wdym? I felt already like I was sort of disregarding her responses too already and it was a bit surprising how much I got away with it already, I feel like I have to tailor the responses a little bit so I don't come across completely disregarding, but I guess women don't really care?

MV
freestyling means, when someone says do this and then you do your own version of it... (is ok but try not to do that too much till you get the flow)...

so if i tell you to say: "just curious, how are guys treating here?"

the person instead of doing it like that, they freestyle "have you been in a lot of dates here" ---> this is what i call freestyling....

if i say open> banter/flirt/deep dive/second gen> soft close>hard close

dude open>soft close> hard close ----->freestyling structure....

freestyling is bad till you get couple of lays....

cause methods are develop from multiple lays, when someone using new method has no lay using the new method.... that is why freestyling is bad, till the method has worked and he knows what he is doing fully... get it?


like no where in the structure say to open with : hi smiley emoji --->freestyling can work but is not optimal..
 

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freestyling means, when someone says do this and then you do your own version of it... (is ok but try not to do that too much till you get the flow)...

so if i tell you to say: "just curious, how are guys treating here?"

the person instead of doing it like that, they freestyle "have you been in a lot of dates here" ---> this is what i call freestyling....

if i say open> banter/flirt/deep dive/second gen> soft close>hard close

dude open>soft close> hard close ----->freestyling structure....

freestyling is bad till you get couple of lays....

cause methods are develop from multiple lays, when someone using new method has no lay using the new method.... that is why freestyling is bad, till the method has worked and he knows what he is doing fully... get it?


like no where in the structure say to open with : hi smiley emoji --->freestyling can work but is not optimal..
Skills remember I am a complete idiot on texting online. I read your thread and when you write to open with "minimally banter or statement" I have no idea what to do else than freestyle. I couldn't use the Britney spears thing because it would have made zero sense lol with this girl.

MV
 

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Skills remember I am a complete idiot on texting online. I read your thread and when you write to open with "minimally banter or statement" I have no idea what to do else than freestyle. I couldn't use the Britney spears thing because it would have made zero sense lol with this girl.

MV
No why would you use the Britney Spears with a girl that doesn't look like Brittany... Facepalm! Context brother
 

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No why would you use the Britney Spears with a girl that doesn't look like Brittany... Facepalm! Context brother

I didn't use it and that was my point. I feel like freestyling is inevitable because I don't know any structure on bantering or opening statement. Help pls.

MV
 

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I didn't use it and that was my point. I feel like freestyling is inevitable because I don't know any structure on bantering or opening statement. Help pls.

MV
I said try not to freestyle too much.... Is inevitable you will have to calibrate to situation... Too much, is the key word... I posted 2:guides and you can look for more texting guides and samples in my archives
 

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This is so good system. I've texted this one girl a bit going no where I started doing this routine and she just cut my routine short and asked for a date.

Me previously... (doing stupid shit)

Me: "Hi! *angel face*"
She: "Hi *hugging face*
Me: "I don't dare playing padel or minigolf with you but what about a training session?"
She: "What kind of training?"
Me: "At the [gym-name] *cute face*"
She: "Ah I'm not member there."

--- now doing this ---
Me: "Oh haha by the way I hoped we would match, how are the guys treating you here?"
Her: "That's kind *laughing with hand over mouth*"
Her: "I am treated well"

Me: "Nice to hear, good that the competition is behaving. It will just make you appreciate me more when you get to know me. For my part, I can't complain to be honest."
Me: "What would you say are your two best qualities that has nothing to do with appearance?"
Her: "Tiihiii *hugging emoji*
Her: "We could take that conversion over a date or what do you think?"

Me: "Yeah how pleasant I am going to be busy most of the week but maybe on Tuesday we can meet and have fun let me know where you come so I can give you directions."


-- another one (girl with big lips wow) --
Me: Hi :)
Her: Hi
Me: I was hoping I’d match with you. How are the guys treating you here?
Her: Oh?
Her: The guys treat me like shit hahaha
Her: You were hoping?🥰

Me: Yeah, there was something interesting I noticed on your profile
Her: What then?<3
Me: It doesn’t surprise me they do that, I hear it a lot. But good for me, then I guess the bar is low. Which works well for me 🤭 I can’t complain myself
Me: Your gaze
Me: Very deep and intense
Me: If I had to guess, you’re extremely honest with people, a bit like me
Her: Thank you, sweetie!! You’re a model yourself
Her: I’m very honest, I’d rather be too honest than lie. So you’re absolutely right about that

Me: HB, I’m just curious, what are your two best qualities that have nothing to do with looks?
Her: Honesty and loyalty
Her: Yours?

Me: Sense of humor and skills in a relationship. I can already see this won’t work in real life, the world isn’t ready for it, everyone will completely freak out and get jealous of our energy
Me: HB, how happy would you say your life is right now from 1 to 10, with 10 being the best?
Her: Then I’d have to say 4 😅 you?❤️
Her: Hehe❤️

Me: I knew you were being honest. I’m not a 10/10 myself because I know I can always do better and I miss my jiu-jitsu club. HN, you seem like a safe person to connect with and worth getting to know. I’m almost never on here so you can text me at 10101001 and say you’re HB from Tinder so I know who you are. If I don’t reply right away it’s not because I’m trying to make you wait but because I might be busy with work
Her: I’ll text you ❤️

--

Her: Hei, HB here 😘
Me: Hey! The girl with my favorite gaze. So nice to hear from you by text. I’m just finishing up a meeting. What are you up to besides thinking of me and smiling??
Her: Tihi, I’m with a friend now 😘 what do you work with then?
Me: I work on helping doctors detect dementia faster :) That sounds nice, but you should take a little break from her with a cute nerdy guy
Her: Oh wow, that’s pretty exciting!! Haha I’d love to talk with you
Me: I’m going to train afterwards, want to join?
Her: A bit embarrassing, but I’m hungover today and it’s not the best timing, I have to help her with housework <3 but I’d love to meet another day very soon
Her: 😭😂



Me: So sweet and nice, I’m going to be busy most of the week but maybe we can meet Sunday or next Wednesday. It’ll be fun and give you a nice break from housework, poor thing haha. Let me know where you’re coming from so I can give directions, wear something cute and casual 🫶
Me: busy
Her: Oki ❤️ where do you live? And do you use Snap?
Me: LOCATION.
Me: Don’t use Snap, believe it or not I’m very old-fashioned. Where do you live?
Her: LOCATION here.
Her: No social media at all?
Her: What do you prefer to do on a first date?

Me: Things I already like to do: work out, explore, walk in the park, cook. I’ll have to see which day it’ll be. Do you come to Oslo often? I’m cutting down on social media, it’s addictive and that’s why I’m not on Tinder much — I want to use my time effectively. What about you??
Her: I’m in LOCATION occasionally, I get it <3 you’re better than me, I’m addicted haha. Different things really, gone for a drive, had food together, watched a movie or gone for a walk.
Me: Hahah you seem like a good person, sounds nice. We’d definitely have plenty to talk about. But what about you? What are you looking for :) 🫶
Her: I’m looking for something long-term, if the chemistry is there. And someone who also doesn’t want kids. Bit of a bummer, I thought it said on Tinder that you wanted them.
Her: You?
Me: I want something meaningful and long-term. It’s important for me that we grow together and push each other towards our goals. Honestly HB, I think the idea of… [blah blah blah].

MV
 
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MrVariety

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I don't know if I'm doing it right. Seems like it's getting somewhere, though it's kind of exhausting to keep up with a tone I usually don't have lol. Feel pressure to keep up this stuff once I'm no longer have the structure I guess I just have to read all of your posts. Trying to figure out a way to naturally quiet down the texting until meeting I feel like I doubt everything I freestyle.

MV
 

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You freestyle too much make you sound weird... Brother try as much as possible to stop freestyling...

And my qualities are not your qualities... I have strong humor and strong relationships skills brother...

You need to find out your own qualities that dhv...

Stop with a haha and emojis is try hard...

If a girl wants to meet find out her logistics first..

Sounds like a plan how does your schedule look like... Why you told her i am going to be busy blah... Facepalm..

Anyways... I will comment later...
 

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This is so good system. I've texted this one girl a bit going no where I started doing this routine and she just cut my routine short and asked for a date.

Me previously... (doing stupid shit)

Me: "Hi! *angel face*"
She: "Hi *hugging face*
Me: "I don't dare playing padel or minigolf with you but what about a training session?"
She: "What kind of training?"
Me: "At the [gym-name] *cute face*"
She: "Ah I'm not member there."

^ yea not good...

--- now doing this ---
Me: "Oh haha by the way I hoped we would match, how are the guys treating you here?"
the i hoped we matched (it is for bumble, were women open you to reward her opening you, is not for other sites), if you want to try a cool opener say "i see we both have good taste" I am mr. Variety or whatever your name is...

Her: "That's kind *laughing with hand over mouth*"
Her: "I am treated well"
Me: "Nice to hear, good that the competition is behaving. It will just make you appreciate me more when you get to know me. For my part, I can't complain to be honest."
this is what i call freestyle does that sound like what i told you to say " awesome, I welcome competition, that will make you just like me more once you get to know me.... the for my part i can't complained to be honest, is when she ask you , she never asked you, so it was unnecessary to say something you were not ask about... total autism
Me: "What would you say are your two best qualities that has nothing to do with appearance?"
Her: "Tiihiii *hugging emoji*
Her: "We could take that conversion over a date or what do you think?"
Me: "Yeah how pleasant I am going to be busy most of the week but maybe on Tuesday we can meet and have fun let me know where you come so I can give you directions."
say "just curious, what would you say blah blah" a bit smoother... when she soft close you saying "we could take that conversation over a date or what you think? "

I think is great idea, i got a good feeling about you, how does your schedule looks like next week? or how does Thursday evening sound?



-- another one (girl with big lips wow) --
Me: Hi :)
Her: Hi
Me: I was hoping I’d match with you. How are the guys treating you here?
Her: Oh?
Her: The guys treat me like shit hahaha
Her: You were hoping?🥰
Me: Yeah, there was something interesting I noticed on your profile
Her: What then?<3
Me: It doesn’t surprise me they do that, I hear it a lot. But good for me, then I guess the bar is low. Which works well for me 🤭 I can’t complain myself
Me: Your gaze
Me: Very deep and intense
Me: If I had to guess, you’re extremely honest with people, a bit like me
Her: Thank you, sweetie!! You’re a model yourself
Her: I’m very honest, I’d rather be too honest than lie. So you’re absolutely right about that
Me: HB, I’m just curious, what are your two best qualities that have nothing to do with looks?
Her: Honesty and loyalty
Her: Yours?
Me: Sense of humor and skills in a relationship. I can already see this won’t work in real life, the world isn’t ready for it, everyone will completely freak out and get jealous of our energy
Me: HB, how happy would you say your life is right now from 1 to 10, with 10 being the best?
one more question, or last question (so she does not get the sense you are going to bombard her with questions... "how happy blah blah"

Her: Then I’d have to say 4 😅 you?❤️
Her: Hehe❤️
When she said any number less than 10, you say "that is because we have not met once you get to know me your happiness will go to a 10.... if she say 10, you say "that is impossible cause we have not met me yet"
Me: I knew you were being honest. I’m not a 10/10 myself because I know I can always do better and I miss my jiu-jitsu club. HN, you seem like a safe person to connect with and worth getting to know. I’m almost never on here so you can text me at 10101001 and say you’re HB from Tinder so I know who you are. If I don’t reply right away it’s not because I’m trying to make you wait but because I might be busy with work
Her: I’ll text you
good
--

Her: Hei, HB here 😘
Me: Hey! The girl with my favorite gaze. So nice to hear from you by text. I’m just finishing up a meeting. What are you up to besides thinking of me and smiling??
Her: Tihi, I’m with a friend now 😘 what do you work with then?
Me: I work on helping doctors detect dementia faster :) That sounds nice, but you should take a little break from her with a cute nerdy guy
Her: Oh wow, that’s pretty exciting!! Haha I’d love to talk with you
Me: I’m going to train afterwards, want to join?
Her: A bit embarrassing, but I’m hungover today and it’s not the best timing, I have to help her with housework <3 but I’d love to meet another day very soon
Her:😭😂



Me: So sweet and nice, I’m going to be busy most of the week but maybe we can meet Sunday or next Wednesday. It’ll be fun and give you a nice break from housework, poor thing haha. Let me know where you’re coming from so I can give directions, wear something cute and casual 🫶
Me: busy
Her: Oki ❤️ where do you live? And do you use Snap?
Me: LOCATION.
Me: Don’t use Snap, believe it or not I’m very old-fashioned. Where do you live?
Her: LOCATION here.
Her: No social media at all?
Her: What do you prefer to do on a first date?
Me: Things I already like to do: work out, explore, walk in the park, cook. I’ll have to see which day it’ll be. Do you come to Oslo often? I’m cutting down on social media, it’s addictive and that’s why I’m not on Tinder much — I want to use my time effectively. What about you??
Her: I’m in LOCATION occasionally, I get it <3 you’re better than me, I’m addicted haha. Different things really, gone for a drive, had food together, watched a movie or gone for a walk.
Me: Hahah you seem like a good person, sounds nice. We’d definitely have plenty to talk about. But what about you? What are you looking for :) 🫶
Her: I’m looking for something long-term, if the chemistry is there. And someone who also doesn’t want kids. Bit of a bummer, I thought it said on Tinder that you wanted them.
Her: You?
Me: I want something meaningful and long-term. It’s important for me that we grow together and push each other towards our goals. Honestly HB, I think the idea of… [blah blah blah].

MV
^ you need to get snap, and put private snap is huge with gen z and it does not make you lose points by follower count and who you follow you need to set it up, private, is the only social media that will not cost you points for not having huge following if set up right... Please read this post and all answers:




@MrVariety you are doing really good... Just some things here and there...
 

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^ yea not good...


the i hoped we matched (it is for bumble, were women open you to reward her opening you, is not for other sites), if you want to try a cool opener say "i see we both have good taste" I am mr. Variety or whatever your name is...

Yeah I get it, it doesn't make 100% sense on Tinder BUT it works 100% time, she responds positively and becomes more receptive right off the bat, I feel it lowers her defenses immediately which is nice that a cool opener doesn't do but I trust you I will try the cool one, but I think it's a really socially calibrated way of giving her a compliment without giving her a compliment.

this is what i call freestyle does that sound like what i told you to say

Unfortunately I'm texting in Norwegian so I have to adjust, and then I translate back for this site that's why it's not verbatim.

she never asked you, so it was unnecessary to say something you were not ask about... total autism

Venerable Skills, I am confused. I took this from the great teacher of teachers POB earlier in this thread. When he did this you jump out of your chair clapping your hands yelling bravo, but when I do it you bury your face into hands and say total autism! lol! I must be missing something but anyway I always felt a bit uneasy with it, feels a bit forced to throw a dhv like that on her but I've never been punished I think.

say "just curious, what would you say blah blah" a bit smoother... when she soft close you saying "we could take that conversation over a date or what you think? "

I think is great idea, i got a good feeling about you, how does your schedule looks like next week? or how does Thursday evening sound?

Yeah she stopped responding after that dumb reply, this would've been so much better thanks.

one more question, or last question (so she does not get the sense you are going to bombard her with questions... "how happy blah blah"

Got it.

@MrVariety you are doing really good... Just some things here and there...

Thanks I'm using less brain power the more I do it however I am losing some girls. Two girls last night removed by match because I was just following the routine too much and after I did the gaze thing they said "Yeah I'm honest, and honestly this conversation got now weird" and removed me. Right now I have suspended by common sense and gut reactions to what will work because I know what I was doing before isn't working so I'm recalibrating. But it fucking sucks I'm doing when I'm doing this routine, girl thinks she met prince charming, then realize I'm basically doing a script and feels something is off (and I feel it to when I do it) then deletes me.

Mr Variety
 
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This one (beautiful educated woman) just ghosted me after the last one I think it was too long and try-hard. I think more feminine make up young (dumb?) girls fall more for the routine but I feel like I have to be much more calibrated adjusting when she seems to smart mature educated?

Me: Hi 😇 I was hoping we would match. How are the guys treating you on here?

Her: Haha, good question! You know, I’m losing a little faith in how many good souls are left 😂
There’s definitely a shortage of reflective types!
How are the girls treating you on here? 😉


Me: Hahah it doesn’t surprise me that they do that, I hear it a lot. But good for me, then I assume the bar is set low. Which works in my favor. Personally, I can’t complain.
You know Name, I noticed something interesting about your profile.

Her: Now I’m curious 😏🙃
Tell me!


Me: Your gaze.
Extremely deep and intense.
Me: If I had to guess, I’d say you’re very honest with people, kind of like me.

Her: I’m pretty deep and intense, so then my gaze matches my personality!
That’s true 😊
I love the combination of handsome, funny, and nerdy 😍
What’s your perfect Saturday and Sunday?


Me: I can’t complain about your combinations either :) Ideally, waking up in a bed full of happy golden retriever puppies licking me, then making breakfast with my future beautiful girlfriend, going out to work out (I like that), and then working on something I’m passionate about. What about you? Haha

(SORRY SKILLS about the haha and smileys it's a habit --- also she asked me a question, it's annoying but I have to reply probably)

Her: [basically three messages of walls of text covering an entire screen talking about her dogs, perfect Sunday and Saturday with jacuzzi and karaoke and hikes etc. investing a bunch thinking I'm prince charming]


Me: So nice that our ideal days look so similar, and with your eternal puppy it almost sounds like you’re living my dream. I’m a little curious, how happy is your life right now on a scale from 1 to 10, where 10 is the best?

Her: Yesss! Agreed 😉
You know, that’s a bit of a difficult question. I’m better than I’ve ever been, but I’m not there yet when it comes to my self-development and things I need to understand about myself.
Do you know what I mean?
So it’s a bit hard to answer on a scale of 1–10 :p


Me: I understand what you mean. I’m doing well but I can’t say I’m 10/10 because I’m always trying to improve myself, and I miss my jiu jitsu club. NAME, I think you seem safe and like someone worth getting to know. I’m almost never on here, so you can text me at 8213123912 and say you’re NAME from Tinder so I know it’s you. If I’m slow to reply it’s not because I’m not interested but because I might be busy with work.

(hear nothing from girl)

----------

Also this girl is a legitimate 10/10. Seriously. I don't want to fuck this up but I feel she's asking me all kinds of random bullshit things I don't know to how naturally go back to the structure.

Me: Hi, I was hoping we’d match. How are the guys treating you here?

Her: Hey hey! Can’t really complain actually. What about you and the girls? 🥰

Me: Nice to hear, good that the competition behaves. It’ll just make you appreciate me more when you get to know me. For my part, I can’t really complain either to be honest. Thought it would be worse.
What would you say are your two best qualities that have nothing to do with looks?

Her: So you mean the competition only makes me appreciate you more? Confident type 😉
Hmm, probably the ability to never get bored and that people feel safe around me. What about you then?


Me: Oh that’s nice. My sense of humor and relationship skills.
You know NAME, I noticed something interesting about your profile.

Her: Hmm, what is it Mr Variety? 🥰

Me: Your gaze. Very deep and direct.
If I had to guess, I’d say you’re extremely honest with people, kind of like me.

Her: Are you honest even if it can hurt? 🥺

Me: I give a brutal reality check if needed, but I always follow up with a bandage if needed. If it’s about baking a cake (I see you’re carnivore too) then it would have to be something else in your case. Frying a juicy entrecôte haha. [I know about the haha and "if needed" x2 .. fuck cringe]

Her: You can always bake me a cake out of meat. Or wait, that would mean you’d have to be brutally honest.


Me: Hmm, I’ll stay away from the truth if I have to bake a cake out of meat. But if you accept meat cakes though?

Her: No, meat cake is not accepted. I do like meatballs in general though. But what do you prefer? Nerd, app developer, model, or stand-up comedian?

Me: Asked ChatGPT and found out that meatloaf is actually a thing.
Prefer as in what? Primary identity? Isn’t it allowed to be a combination of a bit of everything? 😇

Her: Absolutely allowed. But if you had to choose? 🥺

Me: Deep down I’m a nerd. No one is allowed to take books, chess, and my chess books away from me 🥺
And what about you? Have you read any good books lately?

Her: Are you good at chess? No, can’t brag about having read that much lately 👀

Mr Variety
 

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Yeah I get it, it doesn't make 100% sense on Tinder BUT it works 100% time, she responds positively and becomes more receptive right off the bat, I feel it lowers her defenses immediately which is nice that a cool opener doesn't do but I trust you I will try the cool one, but I think it's a really socially calibrated way of giving her a compliment without giving her a compliment.
well then keep doing it, the goal of the opener is a response...
Unfortunately I'm texting in Norwegian so I have to adjust, and then I translate back for this site that's why it's not verbatim.
oh got it...
Venerable Skills, I am confused. I took this from the great teacher of teachers POB earlier in this thread. When he did this you jump out of your chair clapping your hands yelling bravo, but when I do it you bury your face into hands and say total autism! lol! I must be missing something but anyway I always felt a bit uneasy with it, feels a bit forced to throw a dhv like that on her but I've never been punished I think.
i saw pob did it, but it did not come across as you, when it comes to the context... My point is the time to use "me i can't complain" is if she ask you how about you, how girls treating you here, so it does not come across as you bragging... Or with some girls as you are fucking a lot of women on tinder, and she is just another number.

Yeah she stopped responding after that dumb reply, this would've been so much better thanks.



Got it.



Thanks I'm using less brain power the more I do it however I am losing some girls. Two girls last night removed by match because I was just following the routine too much and after I did the gaze thing they said "Yeah I'm honest, and honestly this conversation got now weird" and removed me. Right now I have suspended by common sense and gut reactions to what will work because I know what I was doing before isn't working so I'm recalibrating. But it fucking sucks I'm doing when I'm doing this routine, girl thinks she met prince charming, then realize I'm basically doing a script and feels something is off (and I feel it to when I do it) then deletes me.

Mr Variety
i don't do that gaze thing, that is something from pob in his particular scenario which was congruent with the girl he saw a picture of, same as what i said about Britney...

just follow the original structure all of that glaze stuff is unnecessary..
 
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@MrVariety how you doing man?

Saw some things you did with your texting, and you are definitely freestyling.
Even for acomplished seducers, freestyle can be bad.

The right way of texting is to pick a proven structure and adapt minor things to your personality and the situation at hand
I coud never text like @Skills , and he could never text like me.
We have very different personalities, and that shows online not only through texting, but also pictures, body posture, vibe, etc.

What we do similar is the structure: open > banther > soft close > hard close.
That NEVER changes, no matter who we are texting.

If I take one of his texts and his banther and put into my conversations, the girl will look at my picture, look at my texts and think: "Who TF is this guy?". The same can be said of him.

Texting is part of seduction, you are showing a bit of you so she can pick some interest and put her butt in the chair in front of you.
If you say to a similing bubly girl that she looks serious, you gonna look retarded right?
So when you pick a piece of an individual conversation and insert it into your conversation, where there's a whole new context and dynamic, its gonna sound very strange!

Like you are cooking a lasagna but, in the middle of the recipe, you decide to change it to a chop suey rice.
This is basically what freestyling does to your conversations.

Solution?
Keep
It
Simple

Resist the urge to change anything.
Minor tweaks are necessáry, but keep it as basic and as it is as possible.
 
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Saw some things you did with your texting, and you are definitely freestyling.
Even for acomplished seducers, freestyle can be bad.

I've for the most part stopped the glaze thing (or point something interesting out) unless it is something I genuinely believe to be the case.

Apart from that and not being able to keep it word-for-word because I'm texting in Norwegian, I'm still confused exactly what I'm doing wrong sometimes by freestyling.

Anyway when I started a few weeks ago I had never done online, I followed you guys like a braindead android and learned a lot, then I've calibrated it into my own style a bit more to hone in on congruency. Though I'm sure if I shared my conversations I get smack for freestyling, lol.

The right way of texting is to pick a proven structure and adapt minor things to your personality and the situation at hand
I coud never text like @Skills , and he could never text like me.
We have very different personalities, and that shows online not only through texting, but also pictures, body posture, vibe, etc.
Yeah exactly. Even though Skills says no to haha and emojies, honestly, I find that my natural online personality is just a polite and friendly. It seems more natural to me to do smileys and ask girls out politely and even a bit shy. I find just plain innocence works better than cocky funny demanding challenging humoristic (which can be taken the wrong way across text)

What we do similar is the structure: open > banther > soft close > hard close.
That NEVER changes, no matter who we are texting.

Yeah if I understand what soft close is, I suppose I've adapted this structure. My goto soft close would be "So, is it you who's going to be my new training partner?"

Then transition into getting to know each other before we can do that, etc. Then do Skill's hard close "btw you seem like a safe person and worth getting to know, it would be nice to grab a coffee. I'm available toomorrow next week if that sounds good for you."

If I take one of his texts and his banther and put into my conversations, the girl will look at my picture, look at my texts and think: "Who TF is this guy?". The same can be said of him.
Agree
Texting is part of seduction, you are showing a bit of you so she can pick some interest and put her butt in the chair in front of you.
If you say to a similing bubly girl that she looks serious, you gonna look retarded right?
So when you pick a piece of an individual conversation and insert it into your conversation, where it's a whole new context and dynamic, its gonna sound very strange!

Like you are cooking a lasagna but, in the middle of the recipe, you decide to change it to a chop suey rice.
This is basically what freestyling does to your conversations.
Still confused though, I feel like freestyling is the thing that adapts to that specific conversation.
Solution?
Keep
It
Simple

Resist the urge to change anything.
Minor tweaks are necessáry, but keep it as basic and as it is as possible.

And about how I'm doing. I feel the structure has given me confidence and I know how to get dates reliably now. This week I scheduled five dates from tinder alone, it's more of a logistic issue than anything right now. I'm a bit overwhelmed and exhausted from this and I'm even ghosting girls who I planned meeting at her place and I'm cancelling a lot not really feeling going on. I can't keep up with the messages and I've already a good number of women but only enjoyed one of them. Downside is I feel online is so risky since I immediately regret meeting a woman within the 10 seconds upon meeting her because I can get the vibe really quick. And then you're stuck for hours. That's why cold approach works so good for me. So right now I'm just forcing myself to go on dates, but I'm overwhelmed and I don't think online is really for me but I really appreciate learning how to do it, it's been valuable. The texts Skills provided are pure gold, and I'm starting to understand their underlying appeal so I can adapt easier.

One challenge I've been facing again and again is that during the conversation the girl is spiked up to see men but then when we schedule, then reschedule, and then agree meeting in like next week on Wednesday, I'm just silent and keeping up the conversation is a pain, and eventually it dies a little off because I feel everyone on Tinder is moving at 100 mph in terms of who they pay attention to.

Here's an example of what I'm doing now.

Me: Hi 😇
(Comment: I sometimes do this because doing minimal gives her the opportunity to show high interest)
Her: Hi MV 😉

Me: I hoped that we would match, MN.
Me: How are the guys treating you here so far?

Her: It’s been kind of bad treatment honestly.

Me: Yikes. A lot of creeps I'm assuming. I guess I have to have to take on the job of raising the bar a little.
Me: M, what would yours say are your two best qualities?
Me:(That has nothing to do with your looks)
Me: you*
(Comment: Human errors, not copy paste vibes)

Her: Haha yeah, there's a bunch of that yeah… hmm really good question.
Caring and kind I’d say are my best qualities. was harder than I thought to answer.


Me: Those are good qualities, I would have guessed one of them is honesty with people.
Maybe that’s number 3?
Haha why was it difficult?

Her: Oh haha yes I’m honest too, yeah I can take that as a number 3.
Felt pressured 😆


Me: Haha maybe you don’t like bragging about yourself?

Her: Yeah that could be a reason.

Me: Okay for the next question – do you want it to be even harder or a bit easier?

Her: Hmmm you can choose.

Me: Hard again muahah.
How happy would you say your life is right now from 1 to 10, where 10 is the best?

Her: Hahah I’d say 7 out of 10 🤔
But I also want to hear your two best qualities.


Me: Hmm it’s not 10/10 yet because you haven’t met me? :)
Me… sense of humor and … hmm relationship skills.
I see from your profile that you like weightlifting? 😉

Her: Haha yeah there you go, it's because I haven’t met you yet 🤷🏽‍♀️
There are a few more things I want to have in place but that will come with time.
Ohh relationship skills, that was interesting.
Her: Yeah I like strength training/weightlifting


Me: That’s great :) and wow only 1 km away. Are you going to be my new training partner?

Her: If you behave yourself, maybe you’ll be lucky enough to have me as a training partner.
How happy are you though?


Me: Hahah if I behave? Challenging.
I’m 7.1/10 just to one-up you.
Nah, just kidding, I’d say about the same. I’m not unhappy, but I always feel I can improve myself and I miss the crew from my jiu jitsu club. I recently moved to Oslo :)

Her: Yeah I get that, where did you move from? ☺️

Me: [xxx], do you know that place?

Her: Yeah it’s nice, luckily not too far away. But what brought you to Oslo?

Me: To be closer to work, the office is at [xxxx]. 😁

Her: Oh yeah, what do you work with/as?

Me: I’m starting a job helping doctors detect dementia faster 🤓 btw M, you seem confident and like someone worth getting to know better, thought it would be nice if we grab a coffee.
I’m free tomorrow and next Wednesday if that sounds good ☺️

Her: Ohhh shitt so exciting!!
Yeah I’m up for coffee ☺️ I’ll be out most of the day tomorrow, and Wednesday I might be able to but need to confirm depending on my training this week 🐵 so I won’t know until the start of the week 😅🙈
But I can let you know as soon as I know about Wednesday, otherwise I can this Sunday or the weekend after.


Me: So lovely (bad translation), this Sunday I can’t but I have no plans next weekend, so we can aim for that or maybe Wednesday if that works for us both 😉

(scheduling)

I'm probably going to get attacked on this but at this point I'm already setting up a lot of dates with this approach so I'm getting more confidence to stray from the system when appropriate.


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