Becoming sexier and more attractive is making things harder, not easier

[killerman]

Right I've got to rant. Seems like the universe really is just trolling me at this point. I've reached a point where I've never had so much female attention and validation that it's getting a little ridiculous. I've now got to the point where i've been working out for 6.5 years and have an awesome ripped gym body. When i'm out in public im rocking a tight black tank top, a dog chain necklace and some cool chelsea boots. All black. Over the last month or so i've been told to my face at least 8 times by women that I'm attractive, sexy, look good, including also being asked twice whether I'm a model. Girls in the gym touching my pecs telling me i've got a great body, girls smiling constantly, whenever I'm out about women are looking at me ALL THE TIME, it literally feels like I'm a low key minor celebrity. Even girls walking with their boyfriends in public stare and smile at me as they're walking past WITH THE GUY, they literally dont care if he notices. Girls clearly like me. Guys absolutely hate me. It's easy getting phone numbers but I can't get ANY of them out on dates. It's literally a case now that I look the best I've ever looked, getting the most amount of compliments and attention i've ever had, some of it being literally outrageous, but none of it materialises to anything meaningful. It's like the hotter and more attractive I get the harder it is to get dates? It's literally making me question whether after a certain point being super attractive becomes a curse. But the question is what I'm doing wrong because I honestly dont know where I'm messing up. This honestly feels stupid and completely anti climatic and like the universe is just completely trolling me at this point. Like it's one big joke. Could someone please tell me what the actual hell is going on here. It's starting to really piss me off as I know I should be doing WAY better than this as guys 10 times worse looking and less attractive than me are getting hotter women than I am. despite them getting less female validation than I am. This is really starting to grind my gears.

 

[Skills]

Stop reading after Chelsea boots

 

[topcat]

Stop reading after Chelsea boots

tbh depending on where he's based he may be ahead of the curve..

Chelsea boots are on their way back. A few of the top fashion houses have started releasing them. For several seasons now..

 

[Skills]

tbh depending on where he's based he may be ahead of the curve..

Chelsea boots are on their way back. A few of the top fashion houses have started releasing them. For several seasons now..

Brah

 

[KJ Francis]

getting the most amount of compliments and attention i've ever had, some of it being literally outrageous, but none of it materialises to anything meaningful. It's like the hotter and more attractive I get the harder it is to get dates?

Can you post three field reports with detailed dialog transcripts?

Or at least summaries of a few interactions with how you opened, flirted, turned it back on her, and asked her out?

 

[Chase]

@killerman,

Props on the ripped physique, man. That's an achievement. Sounds like your physique + fashion work well together.

The thing with a great look is it's a big help combined with game. On its own it just gets you a bunch of praise/validation alongside the occasional lay (usually nymphos; they're the most visual chicks / one who prize looks the highest).

With women having this kind of reaction to you, you've basically got the arousal part of the question handled (you should still tease, touch, break some rules, do all the other arousal stuff... but you can take it a bit easier on that, at least until your trust-building is solid).

The thing you're almost certainly missing is trust (similarity/connection) + investment (compliance/leading).

Let me paint a picture for you:

---

GOOD-LOOKING GUY A:

A girl approaches him:

HER: Wow, you're SEXY!
HIM: Hey, thanks! You're not so bad yourself! I'm Joe, what's your name?
HER: Sofia!
HIM: Sofia, it's a pleasure to meet you. Do you live around here?
HER: I'm over in Pencrest.
HIM: Cool, cool. Well Sofia we should get drinks sometime.
HER: Sure!
HIM: Cool. Give me your number.

And now...

---

GOOD-LOOKING GUY B:

A girl approaches him:

HER: Wow, you're SEXY!
HIM: Haha, I bet you say that to all the boys.
HER: Only the ones who look as good as you!
HIM: Flattery will get you everywhere. I'm Cliff.
HER: Tammy.
HIM: Tammy, huh. Step over here a minute, I want to talk to you. [MOVES HER A FEW FEET OVER] So why'd you come up to me?
HER: I just thought you had a nice look and wanted to tell you.
HIM: That's thoughtful. Do you live around here?
HER: I live in Redfield.
HIM: Yeah, you totally seem like a Redfield girl.
HER: [laughs] What does that mean?
HIM: [shrugs] The outgoingness, the forwardness... totally Redfield. Born and raised, right?
HER: Actually I'm from Minnesota.
HIM: Well you're adapting nicely.
HER: [laughs] Where are you from?
HIM: I'm from down south. Moved up here a few years ago. Let me see that bracelet real quick.
HER: [extends wrist so he can examine bracelet] Where from down south?
HIM: Tennessee. [turning her wrist back and forth] A gift from your great-grandmother?
HER: [laughs] I just picked it up at a thrift shop.
HIM: Probably dropped off there by someone's great-grandmother. It's got that old school feel.
HER: [laughs]
HIM: [still holding her hand] What do you do for fun, Tammy? You a book reader?
HER: Not as much as I should. Mostly hang out with friends.
HIM: [still holding her hand] Active social life?
HER: Pretty active. We have dinners, go to movies, sometimes bars. Go shopping.
HIM: [still holding her hand] That sounds nice. Any time in that busy schedule to meet a sexy guy for drinks or a bite this week or next week?
HER: [laughs] I think I could probably fit you in!
HIM: [letting hand go] Awesome. Let me take your number then. I'll text you.
HER: Okay.

---

Which of those guys do you reckon she's more likely to meet with?

Guy B, right?

Guy B did a few things Guy A did not do:

• He teased her a little (getting a little playful, flirtatious banter going, signaling to her that "YES, THIS IS A COURTSHIP")
  
  
• He almost instantly moved her, then very soon asked to see her bracelet -- always important, but ESPECIALLY with girls who approach you, so they can chill out and not be stuck in the weird limbo of "Am I still in the leadership role or has this guy taken the lead and I can relax?"
  
  
• He then asked a few boring bonding questions, made a few educated guesses and cold reads about her.
  
  
• He built a little intrigue, baiting her to ask him more ("Where from down south?")
  
  
• Then he asked her out in a cool way that tied together several open loops from their conversation (her calling him "sexy", her busy/active social life)
  
  
• Perhaps most importantly, he spent enough TIME with her that her jumpy nerves from approaching him were able to settle out, giving her time to get comfortable being with him, letting him lead, and feeling that beyond his sexiness he is also a cool, normal guy she doesn't have to feel intimidated by

If I had to guess, your approaches are probably more like GUY A's right now, but need to be more like GUY B's.

That's how you get much more solid leads, instead of flakey leads from girls who are excited at first but have second thoughts or no real feeling about you later.

Chase

 

[killerman]

@killerman,

Props on the ripped physique, man. That's an achievement. Sounds like your physique + fashion work well together.

The thing with a great look is it's a big help combined with game. On its own it just gets you a bunch of praise/validation alongside the occasional lay (usually nymphos; they're the most visual chicks / one who prize looks the highest).

With women having this kind of reaction to you, you've basically got the arousal part of the question handled (you should still tease, touch, break some rules, do all the other arousal stuff... but you can take it a bit easier on that, at least until your trust-building is solid).

The thing you're almost certainly missing is trust (similarity/connection) + investment (compliance/leading).

Let me paint a picture for you:

---

GOOD-LOOKING GUY A:

A girl approaches him:

HER: Wow, you're SEXY!
HIM: Hey, thanks! You're not so bad yourself! I'm Joe, what's your name?
HER: Sofia!
HIM: Sofia, it's a pleasure to meet you. Do you live around here?
HER: I'm over in Pencrest.
HIM: Cool, cool. Well Sofia we should get drinks sometime.
HER: Sure!
HIM: Cool. Give me your number.

And now...

---

GOOD-LOOKING GUY B:

A girl approaches him:

HER: Wow, you're SEXY!
HIM: Haha, I bet you say that to all the boys.
HER: Only the ones who look as good as you!
HIM: Flattery will get you everywhere. I'm Cliff.
HER: Tammy.
HIM: Tammy, huh. Step over here a minute, I want to talk to you. [MOVES HER A FEW FEET OVER] So why'd you come up to me?
HER: I just thought you had a nice look and wanted to tell you.
HIM: That's thoughtful. Do you live around here?
HER: I live in Redfield.
HIM: Yeah, you totally seem like a Redfield girl.
HER: [laughs] What does that mean?
HIM: [shrugs] The outgoingness, the forwardness... totally Redfield. Born and raised, right?
HER: Actually I'm from Minnesota.
HIM: Well you're adapting nicely.
HER: [laughs] Where are you from?
HIM: I'm from down south. Moved up here a few years ago. Let me see that bracelet real quick.
HER: [extends wrist so he can examine bracelet] Where from down south?
HIM: Tennessee. [turning her wrist back and forth] A gift from your great-grandmother?
HER: [laughs] I just picked it up at a thrift shop.
HIM: Probably dropped off there by someone's great-grandmother. It's got that old school feel.
HER: [laughs]
HIM: [still holding her hand] What do you do for fun, Tammy? You a book reader?
HER: Not as much as I should. Mostly hang out with friends.
HIM: [still holding her hand] Active social life?
HER: Pretty active. We have dinners, go to movies, sometimes bars. Go shopping.
HIM: [still holding her hand] That sounds nice. Any time in that busy schedule to meet a sexy guy for drinks or a bite this week or next week?
HER: [laughs] I think I could probably fit you in!
HIM: [letting hand go] Awesome. Let me take your number then. I'll text you.
HER: Okay.

---

Which of those guys do you reckon she's more likely to meet with?

Guy B, right?

Guy B did a few things Guy A did not do:

• He teased her a little (getting a little playful, flirtatious banter going, signaling to her that "YES, THIS IS A COURTSHIP")
  
  
• He almost instantly moved her, then very soon asked to see her bracelet -- always important, but ESPECIALLY with girls who approach you, so they can chill out and not be stuck in the weird limbo of "Am I still in the leadership role or has this guy taken the lead and I can relax?"
  
  
• He then asked a few boring bonding questions, made a few educated guesses and cold reads about her.
  
  
• He built a little intrigue, baiting her to ask him more ("Where from down south?")
  
  
• Then he asked her out in a cool way that tied together several open loops from their conversation (her calling him "sexy", her busy/active social life)
  
  
• Perhaps most importantly, he spent enough TIME with her that her jumpy nerves from approaching him were able to settle out, giving her time to get comfortable being with him, letting him lead, and feeling that beyond his sexiness he is also a cool, normal guy she doesn't have to feel intimidated by

If I had to guess, your approaches are probably more like GUY A's right now, but need to be more like GUY B's.

That's how you get much more solid leads, instead of flakey leads from girls who are excited at first but have second thoughts or no real feeling about you later.

Chase

Ok thank you very much for the constructive feedback Chase. I did do some of that when I was talking to this girl at the gym. She goes in to work out with a coworker on a regular basis and I thought she might be his girlfriend so after starting the conversation I mentioned that the "boyfriend" seemed a cool guy to see if he was. Turns out he isnt. Then when she playfully said he was one of her many boyfriends I playfully teased her saying "how many? 5, 6?" Anyway do you think it could also be my whataspp profile pic because my whatsapp profile pic is a picture of my ripped body with blue lighting, very edited but it looks kind of insane. Do you think it could be that and that it makes me look narcissistic and potentially turning girls off? Should I change the pic to something else? Though I don't see how that would turn off a lot of gym girls as they do similar kind of things.

Because I get a ton of attention, compliments, positive reactions, validation and numbers but everything falls apart after that. It's either that or my game is a lot weaker than I thought.

 

[Chase]

@killerman,

Anyway do you think it could also be my whataspp profile pic because my whatsapp profile pic is a picture of my ripped body with blue lighting, very edited but it looks kind of insane.

Lol, well, it sounds like a badass pic, but yeah, probably not helping you much with girls.

I mean, if you were having a great vibe with them in-person, where there's lots of laughter, bonding, touch, leadership, and these girls get very comfortable with you, and also feel like you have this trollish-teasing persona, then they could see an image like that and think, "He is just trolling me with that image; he is very funny!" and it won't cost you.

Otherwise, it is going to come across like, "Wow, this guy takes himself VERY seriously! He is all about that gym life." Which is going to filter only for girls who are equally committed to the gym or really into hardcore gym guys (maybe that's what you want, but it doesn't sound like it).

But, again -- main thing is almost certainly your in-person interaction.

Probably insufficient leadership + the other elements.

Like @KJ Francis, I suggest you post some field reports where you share what the conversations & interactions look like so guys can get a clearer picture of where it's likely going off the rails.

Chase

 

[killerman]

@killerman,



Lol, well, it sounds like a badass pic, but yeah, probably not helping you much with girls.

I mean, if you were having a great vibe with them in-person, where there's lots of laughter, bonding, touch, leadership, and these girls get very comfortable with you, and also feel like you have this trollish-teasing persona, then they could see an image like that and think, "He is just trolling me with that image; he is very funny!" and it won't cost you.

Otherwise, it is going to come across like, "Wow, this guy takes himself VERY seriously! He is all about that gym life." Which is going to filter only for girls who are equally committed to the gym or really into hardcore gym guys (maybe that's what you want, but it doesn't sound like it).

But, again -- main thing is almost certainly your in-person interaction.

Probably insufficient leadership + the other elements.

Like @KJ Francis, I suggest you post some field reports where you share what the conversations & interactions look like so guys can get a clearer picture of where it's likely going off the rails.

Chase

Cool. Also I'm thinking of getting a white linen shirt and rocking that when I go out. Do you think white linen shirt + blazer is a great combo or should the white linen shirt be worn just by itself? Buttoned down a little and with a couple of chains of course.

 

[Bismarck]

Bro take the advice, go out and implement it. Stop askholing.

Re. fashion, try different things out and report results.

Also, in future, avoid posting blocks of text without punctuation, paragraphs, etc. As a gesture of kindness to your readers.

 

[Skills]

Right I've got to rant. Seems like the universe really is just trolling me at this point. I've reached a point where I've never had so much female attention and validation that it's getting a little ridiculous. I've now got to the point where i've been working out for 6.5 years and have an awesome ripped gym body. When i'm out in public im rocking a tight black tank top, a dog chain necklace and some cool chelsea boots. All black. Over the last month or so i've been told to my face at least 8 times by women that I'm attractive, sexy, look good, including also being asked twice whether I'm a model. Girls in the gym touching my pecs telling me i've got a great body, girls smiling constantly, whenever I'm out about women are looking at me ALL THE TIME, it literally feels like I'm a low key minor celebrity. Even girls walking with their boyfriends in public stare and smile at me as they're walking past WITH THE GUY, they literally dont care if he notices. Girls clearly like me. Guys absolutely hate me. It's easy getting phone numbers but I can't get ANY of them out on dates. It's literally a case now that I look the best I've ever looked, getting the most amount of compliments and attention i've ever had, some of it being literally outrageous, but none of it materialises to anything meaningful. It's like the hotter and more attractive I get the harder it is to get dates? It's literally making me question whether after a certain point being super attractive becomes a curse. But the question is what I'm doing wrong because I honestly dont know where I'm messing up. This honestly feels stupid and completely anti climatic and like the universe is just completely trolling me at this point. Like it's one big joke. Could someone please tell me what the actual hell is going on here. It's starting to really piss me off as I know I should be doing WAY better than this as guys 10 times worse looking and less attractive than me are getting hotter women than I am. despite them getting less female validation than I am. This is really starting to grind my gears.

Alright, your fundamentals is not the problem per se, though your style the all black and Chelsea a bit outdated.... i will link post on the current style now a days... though in your case is not the issue per se...

When you are very attractive guys get lazy a bit in the game, they want the looks to carry them, though this can work, you still have to game, and you need to incorporate in the game a bit of humbleness.... You still need to game even if minimally the girl is not going to carry the seduction.... there are guys here that are high on the fundamentals @James D @TomInHo (ripped) @Kaida (ripped)..... I was also getting similar attention when vin diesel was in his prime (that is why they nickname me latin diesel) you still need to game.... other guys that have high fundies are @Spike (style) and @DarkKnight (who struggles with the subject) i would look into their stuff... but again from experience, guys think the body will carry them, by the way after certain fitness level i put style way higher than body game, but that is my experience...

Look at entry 25 from thomino and read the whole post:

Some different tweaks for seduction in new era...

I just look ridiculous with a mustache lol But some guys do look good with it I personally think it looks like pedos, but for whatever reason is in... @POB is what ijjjji was saying the more intimidating type of dudes, ned to be more fake shy, vulnerable, cute, play dumb...just way to disarm...

www.skilledseducer.com

Fashion - Some really on point fashion videos for the new era....

i usually ignore female advice but i really like this genz girl, cause she nitpicks and she really gets it, i think she is learned from boyfriend tbh, she is more into baggy though.... Going to add if you are interested in changing or upgrading style for the gen z girls if you are short...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Teevster]

Maybe this article can be of help? The atttraction paradox

 

[Spike]

i searched the OPs name and he made a thread about this same topic last year:

Getting worse results since getting "in shape"

I've been lifting weights for 5 years. Put on a hell of a lot of muscle in that time. Am hovering around 9-10% body fat range. So Im muscular and ripped. Yet my results with women is definitely worse than when I was skinny. This is confusing as everyone says once you're in shape you get more...

www.skilledseducer.com

where @Skills responded:

Could be style and fashion...

and then Skills previous comment on his ripped good looking wing:

My wing is ripped good looking guy he was getting negative reaction from the open which he didn't used to get in the past.... 1000 percent is the social he was wearing out of style scoop tight shirt with the jogger style tight pants that Hugh the ankle, milleneal outdated style i used to wear with the vans with gum sole, invisible socks, showing ankle.... Nobody including thominho has a better body than he has,, he even competed, he owns 5 biz and has 2 bmws the top ones that open like lambo and an Escalade...he was getting negative reaction of the open he is also 15 years younger than me...i know it was his style I begged him to change offer to pay cause started fucking up my sets...

 

[Skills]

i searched the OPs name and he made a thread about this same topic last year:

Getting worse results since getting "in shape"

I've been lifting weights for 5 years. Put on a hell of a lot of muscle in that time. Am hovering around 9-10% body fat range. So Im muscular and ripped. Yet my results with women is definitely worse than when I was skinny. This is confusing as everyone says once you're in shape you get more...

www.skilledseducer.com

where @Skills responded:


and then Skills previous comment on his ripped good looking wing:

Jesus forgot that point since he retired

 

[Skills]

Bro take the advice, go out and implement it. Stop askholing.

Re. fashion, try different things out and report results.

Also, in future, avoid posting blocks of text without punctuation, paragraphs, etc. As a gesture of kindness to your readers.

I see now that spike found old post... He is just repeating himself... I am going to start before i answer anything look posters archives beg wasting my time so i don't end irt fucked...

 

[killerman]

@killerman,

Props on the ripped physique, man. That's an achievement. Sounds like your physique + fashion work well together.

The thing with a great look is it's a big help combined with game. On its own it just gets you a bunch of praise/validation alongside the occasional lay (usually nymphos; they're the most visual chicks / one who prize looks the highest).

With women having this kind of reaction to you, you've basically got the arousal part of the question handled (you should still tease, touch, break some rules, do all the other arousal stuff... but you can take it a bit easier on that, at least until your trust-building is solid).

The thing you're almost certainly missing is trust (similarity/connection) + investment (compliance/leading).

Let me paint a picture for you:

---

GOOD-LOOKING GUY A:

A girl approaches him:

HER: Wow, you're SEXY!
HIM: Hey, thanks! You're not so bad yourself! I'm Joe, what's your name?
HER: Sofia!
HIM: Sofia, it's a pleasure to meet you. Do you live around here?
HER: I'm over in Pencrest.
HIM: Cool, cool. Well Sofia we should get drinks sometime.
HER: Sure!
HIM: Cool. Give me your number.

And now...

---

GOOD-LOOKING GUY B:

A girl approaches him:

HER: Wow, you're SEXY!
HIM: Haha, I bet you say that to all the boys.
HER: Only the ones who look as good as you!
HIM: Flattery will get you everywhere. I'm Cliff.
HER: Tammy.
HIM: Tammy, huh. Step over here a minute, I want to talk to you. [MOVES HER A FEW FEET OVER] So why'd you come up to me?
HER: I just thought you had a nice look and wanted to tell you.
HIM: That's thoughtful. Do you live around here?
HER: I live in Redfield.
HIM: Yeah, you totally seem like a Redfield girl.
HER: [laughs] What does that mean?
HIM: [shrugs] The outgoingness, the forwardness... totally Redfield. Born and raised, right?
HER: Actually I'm from Minnesota.
HIM: Well you're adapting nicely.
HER: [laughs] Where are you from?
HIM: I'm from down south. Moved up here a few years ago. Let me see that bracelet real quick.
HER: [extends wrist so he can examine bracelet] Where from down south?
HIM: Tennessee. [turning her wrist back and forth] A gift from your great-grandmother?
HER: [laughs] I just picked it up at a thrift shop.
HIM: Probably dropped off there by someone's great-grandmother. It's got that old school feel.
HER: [laughs]
HIM: [still holding her hand] What do you do for fun, Tammy? You a book reader?
HER: Not as much as I should. Mostly hang out with friends.
HIM: [still holding her hand] Active social life?
HER: Pretty active. We have dinners, go to movies, sometimes bars. Go shopping.
HIM: [still holding her hand] That sounds nice. Any time in that busy schedule to meet a sexy guy for drinks or a bite this week or next week?
HER: [laughs] I think I could probably fit you in!
HIM: [letting hand go] Awesome. Let me take your number then. I'll text you.
HER: Okay.

---

Which of those guys do you reckon she's more likely to meet with?

Guy B, right?

Guy B did a few things Guy A did not do:

• He teased her a little (getting a little playful, flirtatious banter going, signaling to her that "YES, THIS IS A COURTSHIP")
  
  
• He almost instantly moved her, then very soon asked to see her bracelet -- always important, but ESPECIALLY with girls who approach you, so they can chill out and not be stuck in the weird limbo of "Am I still in the leadership role or has this guy taken the lead and I can relax?"
  
  
• He then asked a few boring bonding questions, made a few educated guesses and cold reads about her.
  
  
• He built a little intrigue, baiting her to ask him more ("Where from down south?")
  
  
• Then he asked her out in a cool way that tied together several open loops from their conversation (her calling him "sexy", her busy/active social life)
  
  
• Perhaps most importantly, he spent enough TIME with her that her jumpy nerves from approaching him were able to settle out, giving her time to get comfortable being with him, letting him lead, and feeling that beyond his sexiness he is also a cool, normal guy she doesn't have to feel intimidated by

If I had to guess, your approaches are probably more like GUY A's right now, but need to be more like GUY B's.

That's how you get much more solid leads, instead of flakey leads from girls who are excited at first but have second thoughts or no real feeling about you later.

Chase

Thing is I rarely can get past the boring questions and conversation. When I'm talking with the girl i often cant think of anything to say, struggle to be flirtatious and it's always too platonic and i just end up firing off boring questions. The initial approach is always a piece of cake but when I start conversations it just rarely has flow and it's hard not to have boring questions and boring conversations. Thing is ive been doing this for years and been on tons of dates but it's always a struggle being flirty and not having boring conversations. How do i fix this? Thing is the ratio of date to sex ratio is actually not that bad, somewhere between 33% and 50% successs rate but loads fall through in the process and so many numbers dont turn into dates at all.

 

[Atlas IV]

Thing is I rarely can get past the boring questions and conversation. When I'm talking with the girl i often cant think of anything to say, struggle to be flirtatious and it's always too platonic and i just end up firing off boring questions. The initial approach is always a piece of cake but when I start conversations it just rarely has flow and it's hard not to have boring questions and boring conversations. Thing is ive been doing this for years and been on tons of dates but it's always a struggle being flirty and not having boring conversations. How do i fix this? Thing is the ratio of date to sex ratio is actually not that bad, somewhere between 33% and 50% successs rate but loads fall through in the process and so many numbers dont turn into dates at all.

Dude, ignoring everyone else's advice and responding directly to Chase again is a great way to turn this community against you.

You know he's written like a hundred articles on what you're asking about, right? It's like the most basic shit you should have learned already from GirlsChase.

Don't be lazy. Go read the articles.

 

[DarkKnight]

@Skills you have a habit of throwing me into posts from time to time. I’m barely on the boards these days

I’m with Teevster on the attraction paradox. Girls can overplay hard to get and miss their own escalation windows by resisting compliance. To this day girls I know from extended social circle are still tripping up for missing their own escalation windows years ago, some really hot ones at that. I have learned to short circuit that with ball in your court, otherwise they will keep postponing and fuck up, and even then it is not guaranteed.

Also

What’s likely frustrating Killerman is that with high fundamentals, you pull a lot of false flags. You become a curiosity, a benchmark people use to prove something. That draws attention that goes nowhere, and women aren’t always upfront about their game. You’ve got to numb yourself to the noise. So test for compliance and just know that this comes with the territory. Right now you are very specialized, doesn't mean you are everyones cup of tea. Lots of attention seekers out there.

Still @killerman it is not the curse you think it is. You get easy lays and plenty of special treatment. For some odd reason I notice that I do better with bombshells, it has always been that way. I’d be lying if I said my fundamentals are maxed out right now. It's weird in a way, I have learned that I do not even need to be ripped.

edit: Ah.. I just read that you have trouble with maintaining vibe and conversation..

 

[killerman]

@Skills you have a habit of throwing me into posts from time to time. I’m barely on the boards these days

I’m with Teevster on the attraction paradox. Girls can overplay hard to get and miss their own escalation windows by resisting compliance. To this day girls I know from extended social circle are still tripping up for missing their own escalation windows years ago, some really hot ones at that. I have learned to short circuit that with ball in your court, otherwise they will keep postponing and fuck up, and even then it is not guaranteed.

Also

What’s likely frustrating Killerman is that with high fundamentals, you pull a lot of false flags. You become a curiosity, a benchmark people use to prove something. That draws attention that goes nowhere, and women aren’t always upfront about their game. You’ve got to numb yourself to the noise. So test for compliance and just know that this comes with the territory. Right now you are very specialized, doesn't mean you are everyones cup of tea. Lots of attention seekers out there.

Still @killerman it is not the curse you think it is. You get easy lays and plenty of special treatment. For some odd reason I notice that I do better with bombshells, it has always been that way. I’d be lying if I said my fundamentals are maxed out right now. It's weird in a way, I have learned that I do not even need to be ripped.

edit: Ah.. I just read that you have trouble with maintaining vibe and conversation..

There was once this hot girl I managed to pull while she was handing out flyers on a high street. She kept playing games with me postponing dates until one day she said she wanted me to walk up to the street to meet her. I said "no im not wasting time coming up to meet you, stop playing around and come down to meet me at my place or i'm not interested anymore". that worked and I ended up banging her that night. Haven't done it since, but I did it then because I was fed up being messed around. Do you think it would be a good card to whip out with some of these girls? Eg when they text me every so often but dont meet up...or leads go silent for whatever reason... good idea to say " hey i know you're interested, dont like you playing these silent games, let's meet up" It's a little bit of a "nuclear" option but maybe its worth trying every so often, though with some gym girls it could be super awkward if i see them there afterwards, dont want to sh*t where i eat.

 

[killerman]

@Skills you have a habit of throwing me into posts from time to time. I’m barely on the boards these days

I’m with Teevster on the attraction paradox. Girls can overplay hard to get and miss their own escalation windows by resisting compliance. To this day girls I know from extended social circle are still tripping up for missing their own escalation windows years ago, some really hot ones at that. I have learned to short circuit that with ball in your court, otherwise they will keep postponing and fuck up, and even then it is not guaranteed.

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What’s likely frustrating Killerman is that with high fundamentals, you pull a lot of false flags. You become a curiosity, a benchmark people use to prove something. That draws attention that goes nowhere, and women aren’t always upfront about their game. You’ve got to numb yourself to the noise. So test for compliance and just know that this comes with the territory. Right now you are very specialized, doesn't mean you are everyones cup of tea. Lots of attention seekers out there.

Still @killerman it is not the curse you think it is. You get easy lays and plenty of special treatment. For some odd reason I notice that I do better with bombshells, it has always been that way. I’d be lying if I said my fundamentals are maxed out right now. It's weird in a way, I have learned that I do not even need to be ripped.

edit: Ah.. I just read that you have trouble with maintaining vibe and conversation..

awesome that you pull bombshells, I did sleep with a bombshell instagram model a month or so back but it's one of the only times I've pulled it off. how do you pull it off, what's your style/grooming.fashion that you use to pull it off? Getting blonde massive tits bombshells is definitely something I want to get more of.