Becoming sexier and more attractive is making things harder, not easier

[Brassfaced_Jim]

No im not trolling you at all. More like the lightbulb has gone off inside my head and now it all makes sense. The fact that other people are saying it's ok to be so outwardly sexual means it's a case of green lights let's goooooooooooo. No seriously it's because it all makes sense. And if you're attractive not only would it be congruent with your looks but it's what women WANT. If they find you attractive then they'll want you to behave this way. It's totally logical.

Yep . I’m glad to help , took me a long time to learn this.

basically it’s a case of - a woman’s primary interest in a man is also sexual. So going in with sex on your mind and as your agenda is ok. But never verbalise it outright,

yes you can talk about anything and as the old saying goes “ it’s not what you say it’s the way you say it” . Very true that one re communication.

show your desire for a chick - if she likes the look of you she ought to be very turned on you find her sexy.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

If there are any non verbals i need to work on it's eye contact and voice. I know I need to work on those. I think my posture and walk is pretty decent, but my voice and eye contact needs work.

my advice re learning is as the NLP guys say it “ small chunk it”

pick one small thing and work on it til it’s down Pat.

for you I’d say it’s the touch barrier and “pushing forward “ with your energy ,vibe and sexual intent with all your non verbals.

but as a start , small touches and things like that will be enough for you. As you have high looks.

I used to do stuff like , look down at their low cut dresses , so they can see I am obviously ogling their tits then say “that’s a lovely necklace you’re wearing” . It’s all done under an innocent guise/ cover
ie its cheeky, “ what’s that pendant a love heart is it? Cool! then put my hand under the necklace like I’m touching it , but the back of my hand is resting on their tits , then I’d let it linger there for a few seconds and look them in the eye and just smile like I’m happy. (Don’t wink) just smile a friendly innocent smile, I’d see them getting very aroused.

I did some fun shit back in the day!!!

this was a lot in nightclub environs btw where is more accepted to Flirt,

this is all old school Flirting type stuff,

don’t know about Brazilians V Colombians .
Another player friend was Italian , (The Italian Stallion was his nickname) he was pretty good and did a lot with his eyes. But it was a similar story, his talk was just “fluff” it’s was everything else in the signalling and subtext, the Brazian was more ballsy and did some real edgy stunt pickup stuff, he was a bad-boy type guy with tattoos,

 

[killerman]

my advice re learning is as the NLP guys say it “ small chunk it”

pick one small thing and work on it til it’s down Pat.

for you I’d say it’s the touch barrier and “pushing forward “ with your energy ,vibe and sexual intent with all your non verbals.

but as a start , small touches and things like that will be enough for you. As you have high looks.

I used to do stuff like , look down at their low cut dresses , so they can see I am obviously ogling their tits then say “that’s a lovely necklace you’re wearing” . It’s all done under an innocent guise/ cover
ie its cheeky, “ what’s that pendant a love heart is it? Cool! then put my hand under the necklace like I’m touching it , but the back of my hand is resting on their tits , then I’d let it linger there for a few seconds and look them in the eye and just smile like I’m happy. (Don’t wink) just smile a friendly innocent smile, I’d see them getting very aroused.

I did some fun shit back in the day!!!

this was a lot in nightclub environs btw where is more accepted to Flirt,

this is all old school Flirting type stuff,

don’t know about Brazilians V Colombians .
Another player friend was Italian , (The Italian Stallion was his nickname) he was pretty good and did a lot with his eyes. But it was a similar story, his talk was just “fluff” it’s was everything else in the signalling and subtext, the Brazian was more ballsy and did some real edgy stunt pickup stuff, he was a bad-boy type guy with tattoos,

haha on the ones wearing sports bras im going to love using the "wow I LOVE your sports bra, the bright colour REALLY suits you" with a massive smirk and looking down at it a couple of times. it's what I should have done the other day with that girl but the next one with a sports bra is getting it full on lol

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

For me , I’ve read so much stuff on pickup for a decade , like every method and system and guru, there’s some simple basic dynamics that are only talked about enough and at the right level in certain programs. I got stuck in Too Much Information land for a long time .

to me, now the basic dynamic is that
The Woman is Passive,
The Man is Agressive

A woman submits , the man “conquers”

And that stems all the way backward from the sex act itself , where the woman submits to being penetrated and dominated by the man , with his hard probe. Haha. Penetration is an agressive act.

so guys need to be more forward leaning and aggressive in the right ways (body language) and learn how to read all the signals the woman is pinging back with her body and reactions,

ideally for me I’ll be up close, closing space, breaking the touch barrier and thibking of exuses to touch her, ie leaning forward onto her like I’m gonna mount her next (lol)

If she is consenting and willing her body language will be sexy and opening up , she’ll be getting pretty primal and showing me her neck flicking her hair , pushing out her tits and hips back at me etc her whole body language with change to “ this is hot, , I’m submitting to your advances , keep going” .
If I manage to get her laughing with my “fluff talk” at the same time I’m doing all of this it’s likely a slam dunk and dynamite .
it’s just logistics then, where we gonna do the nasty ! Haha

the South Americans seem to know it well, I’m presume cos they all do Latin dance and learn to get handsy as kids and teens. Great culture and very hot women!!

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

haha on the ones wearing sports bras im going to love using the "wow I LOVE your sports bra, the bright colour REALLY suits you" with a massive smirk and looking down at it a couple of times. it's what I should have done the other day with that girl but the next one with a sports bra is getting it full on lol

Yeah man go for it!
Go for the fabric touch if you can handle it, it’s really ballsy and pretty funny when done well, I do it to crack the chick up and also for my own benefit , as it’s so obvious and cheeky what I’m doing.

Hey , you can risk a slap too but if you’re good looking she’ll let it slide or say something to indicate she doesn’t allow it/ has a BF etc

 

[killerman]

For me , I’ve read so much stuff on pickup for a decade , like every method and system and guru, there’s some simple basic dynamics that are only talked about enough and at the right level in certain programs. I got stuck in Too Much Information land for a long time .

to me, now the basic dynamic is that
The Woman is Passive,
The Man is Agressive

A woman submits , the man “conquers”

And that stems all the way backward from the sex act itself , where the woman submits to being penetrated and dominated by the man , with his hard probe. Haha. Penetration is an agressive act.

so guys need to be more forward leaning and aggressive in the right ways (body language) and learn how to read all the signals the woman is pinging back with her body and reactions,

ideally for me I’ll be up close, closing space, breaking the touch barrier and thibking of exuses to touch her, ie leaning forward onto her like I’m gonna mount her next (lol)

If she is consenting and willing her body language will be sexy and opening up , she’ll be getting pretty primal and showing me her neck flicking her hair , pushing out her tits and hips back at me etc her whole body language with change to “ this is hot, , I’m submitting to your advances , keep going” .
If I manage to get her laughing with my “fluff talk” at the same time I’m doing all of this it’s likely a slam dunk and dynamite .
it’s just logistics then, where we gonna do the nasty ! Haha

the South Americans seem to know it well, I’m presume cos they all do Latin dance and learn to get handsy as kids and teens. Great culture and very hot women!!

think i might take up salsa class, or some other latin american dance class as it teaches a man how to move his body in a sexy way and get VERY comfortable with touching women. Must be absolute dynamite when you're out at a club or a bar and they've put on a latin american dance night. absolute gold for seduction if you know how to move your body and dance properly to the music. combining that with sexual innuendos and flirting and you're good to go and will be turning women on like an engine.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Gotta go here but glad u dig the advice,
good for me to recap it for myself too actually and write it all out again.

I’ve been grinding online on apps for the past 6 weeks and getting sweet FA.
I told some chick I’d be better off going to my local supermarket and chatting up women at the cash registers or down the shopping aisles. I think I’ll quit the apps and do just that . The fucking odds of success are much higher face to face, fuck this online shit!’

Good luck!

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

think i might take up salsa class, or some other latin american dance class as it teaches a man how to move his body in a sexy way and get VERY comfortable with touching women. Must be absolute dynamite when you're out at a club or a bar and they've put on a latin american dance night. absolute gold for seduction if you know how to move your body and dance properly to the music. combining that with sexual innuendos and flirting and you're good to go and will be turning women on like an engine.

Tuning like an engine . Perfect. haha.
Yeah man… dance classes would be the ticket 100% must get back into that myself actually good idea. I went to some Brazilian dance nights with that player friend , holy shit they can really move , super sexy chicks all over the place wiggling they asses . Hot stuff,

 

[killerman]

Tuning like an engine . Perfect. haha.
Yeah man… dance classes would be the ticket 100% must get back into that myself actually good idea. I went to some Brazilian dance nights with that player friend , holy shit they can really move , super sexy chicks all over the place wiggling they asses . Hot stuff,

yes yes and yes again. hot latina women with big asses and big, fake tits = AWESOME

 

[Dark_Stallion]

Hey guys, loved this thread, learned a lot about kino and touch game,

My friends say that I am pretty good looking, don't hear the same from women or have women constantly approaching me like @killerman so I would assume I'm not as good looking for him, but more of the women who react well when I approach them are the very good looking women, which comes down to a point of attainability.

My question is would I be able to get away with the same game that is being suggested to @killerman ? Or if I am not as good looking as him(but still good looking) should I tone it down a tad bit?

 

[killerman]

you're good looking so yes do it. it will work. do the exact same game. if she finds you attractive then she'll WANT you to go full sexual, sleazy. if you dont go full sexual she'll get turned off. so you should go sexual. however if she doesn't find you attractive then going full sexual wont turn her off as she wasn't interested in the first place. in fact going full sexual is best way to expose that she doesnt like you so you dont waste time at all. you get over and done with quick. so in every situation it's better to go full blown sexual.

 

[Dark_Stallion]

Hmm, I'm just trying to figure out how much I should do at a crowded meet market bar type of venue, since this is the main way I have of meeting women in the next couple of weeks.

With one hispanic girl I was talking to we had trouble having a conversation tbh(loud music) but my hands kept brushing up against her tits, which she had no problem with, I gave her a cheeks kiss at the end, which she again had no problem with, next time I can test for a bit of compliance, to see if attraction is really there vs her being just kind, then I can escalate quickly

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Well to me, I’ve had some chicks respond very well, they were sexy chicks and dressed for attention in clubs but almost sometimes at work , sometimes in day game. How you id stop a woman and my body body postures as I did it told them what I was looking for.

I had one chick at work say after I tuned her a bit “ oh that’s creepy .. in all the RIGHT ways” which then I knew I was onto something .

I think now as an older guy that ‘creepy’ or ‘sleazy’ is in the eye of the beholder.

I’ve also had chicks respond negatively with “ ewwwww!” Sneer /hiss at me and keep walking by. But Yknow, so what. She rejected the advance . At least I didn’t have to bother talking,

One very memorable pickup at a lounge bar I remember I did 2 things.

first I opened the chick with a bullshit/joking authority frame I’d been experimenting with, I blocked her off as she was walking down the lounge aisle and said something like “ Stop! (Hand up) Im the security here, I need to do a security check, you look very dodgy I need to check your bag…” then dropped the act “haha, Just kidding I’m James” normal talk fluffed a little bit.

And moved quick then off to let her join friends.
I stood at the end of the section watching if she looked over at me, when she came up to get a drink I reengaged with “where u from / what u do “ but used all the non verbals stuff .

Then moved into a Ross Jeffries style pattern talking about how I had just come back from a holiday in the sun and the weather in the north -how it’s so hot and wet , sweating sliding off my body, cold showers , lots of sensory stuff but doing loads of leaning forward into her, she opened up completely and was signalling back with her body big time leaning on the table and hips opening up , big eyes at me smiling etc

She went back to join her friends for a bit then shortly after as she was leaving she let me know , I joined her in a taxi home as I was “ going the same way”, up to her apartment , she dropped straight to her knees looking up at me for the porno style BJ , then I fucked her brains out and left the next morning late for work. That was a Thursday night after works drinks situation for us both turned into a nice night ,

Great result !!!

 

[Dark_Stallion]

Well to me, I’ve had some chicks respond very well, they were sexy chicks and dressed for attention in clubs but almost sometimes at work , sometimes in day game. How you id stop a woman and my body body postures as I did it told them what I was looking for.

I had one chick at work say after I tuned her a bit “ oh that’s creepy .. in all the RIGHT ways” which then I knew I was onto something .

I think now as an older guy that ‘creepy’ or ‘sleazy’ is in the eye of the beholder.

Fair enough, not my worry right now since I am 21 years old, though I feel like picking up women should become easier in the next few years as I age a bit, especially if I am pushing myself as best as I can

Just for context in the past 3 years I have had a significant glow up, going from the point where me being attracted to a chick was "laughable and weird" to the point where people(men and women with bfs) are offering to set me up, and encouraging me to try it with other chicks in their social circle without me having to say a word

Lots more people have also started to call me very good looking and sexy, lots of jokes made about this, but with a subtext of me being glazed a bit

I’ve also had chicks respond negatively with “ ewwwww!” Sneer /hiss at me and keep walking by. But Yknow, so what. She rejected the advance . At least I didn’t have to bother talking,

One very memorable pickup at a lounge bar I remember I did 2 things.

first I opened the chick with a bullshit/joking authority frame I’d been experimenting with, I blocked her off as she was walking down the lounge aisle and said something like “ Stop! (Hand up) Im the security here, I need to do a security check, you look very dodgy I need to check your bag…” then dropped the act “haha, Just kidding I’m James” normal talk fluffed a little bit.

And moved quick then off to let her join friends.
I stood at the end of the section watching if she looked over at me, when she came up to get a drink I reengaged with “where u from / what u do “ but used all the non verbals stuff .

Then moved into a Ross Jeffries style pattern talking about how I had just come back from a holiday in the sun and the weather in the north -how it’s so hot and wet , sweating sliding off my body, cold showers , lots of sensory stuff but doing loads of leaning forward into her, she opened up completely and was signalling back with her body big time leaning on the table and hips opening up , big eyes at me smiling etc

The "hot and wet" stuff I am taking a page out of that and trying it with the next few chicks I see, with "travel and summer" as topics being brought up, two things I do love and want to talk about

She went back to join her friends for a bit then shortly after as she was leaving she let me know , I joined her in a taxi home as I was “ going the same way”, up to her apartment , she dropped straight to her knees looking up at me for the porno style BJ , then I fucked her brains out and left the next morning late for work. That was a Thursday night after works drinks situation for us both turned into a nice night ,

Great result !!!

Love to hear this!!

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Fair enough, not my worry right now since I am 21 years old, though I feel like picking up women should become easier in the next few years as I age a bit, especially if I am pushing myself as best as I can

Just for context in the past 3 years I have had a significant glow up, going from the point where me being attracted to a chick was "laughable and weird" to the point where people(men and women with bfs) are offering to set me up, and encouraging me to try it with other chicks in their social circle without me having to say a word

Lots more people have also started to call me very good looking and sexy, lots of jokes made about this, but with a subtext of me being glazed a bit

The "hot and wet" stuff I am taking a page out of that and trying it with the next few chicks I see, with "travel and summer" as topics being brought up, two things I do love and want to talk about

Love to hear this!!

Cheers. That’s a true story from the good old days ( I’m older ,greying now and not socialising /clubbing anymore)

yep , do the weather topic thing for sure as it seems like ‘innocent ‘ social fluff talk conversation, Great cover to say other things ;D

this back and forth and examples from my memoirs has sparked the flame for me actually. I was out and about today with a male friend for coffee and checking out shops in a hipster area, I was a lot more chatty with the people we encountered , and with the women thinking again of innocent ways to casually open conversation and the seduction that may follow .,, and what could happen after that

Sometimes I think seduction /pickup has a few core elements .

(A) If a woman thinks u are an attractive guy with some sex appeal and charisma ie a cute /cool guy

(which is your job as a man to draw out/ establish in the first few minutes of meeting her , being in close proximity physically )

-> and you both agree in traded signals or some bantery wordplay that yes the interest is mutual on her side also, ie she lets it be know to you that she finds you cute and “yes please proceed with the interaction I am enjoying this” ->

then

then it’s essential she knows 2 things after that
(B) she knows or gets a good feel you have a plan and “cover story “ to move it along in steps next and ideally soonish

(C) you have a private location (hopefully) nearby where you two can be alone and you can seduce her and give her sex, (hopefully good sex obvs)

it’s really that procedure

so nutshelled this is the simplest 1,2,3

1. - I like you and desire you sexually , your looks really turn me on (signals) do you like me too? (Signals back from her) Yes/No

2. - I have a plan of action it will go like this , do you understand and do you comply or agree with what I’m laying out here ? (Cover story) arched eyebrow, sexy smiles, body language etc her - Yes/No

3. this is the location I am going to take you to hopefully have sex with you - are you ready to go and I will lead don’t worry . Her : Yes/No.

this is the general flow of many pickups I have done . I have fucked a few girls in the back of my car. And also fucked a chick in a car park after a bar /club. (That was a bit different and actually HER suggestion)

nail this general flow and if the girl thinks you’re a bamgable dude is open to it you will for sure get some action at the location,
It could be a kissing, tit play and fingerbanging session,
Could he full sex (most probably)

for me when I was/am picking up like this I am aiming low and going for a make out fingerbang /handjob/ blowjob.

I may indicate this if she is pushing back about how far she is willing to go. I respect that. But I know very well once she gets wet and into it , she’ll want the cock and the sex it’s the natural progression.

Viola!

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Some other random observations re pickup and women I *think* I know from experience.

Ive known 3-4 guys in particular who are very good with women. 2 are about my height, average 5’10-5’11”.. 2 guys the were shorter. The common denominator was they all have very “cute “ faces to women, youthful or baby faced. Every chick would agree on that. And good hair also.

women love cute eyes in particular and a guys style also. They also love a man’s hands . Big hands is an asset and I’m always pointing mine out to women. Big strong hands etc. very masculine.
And a good voice. A voice that has a good range to it and can convey things with tonality.

Other things I believe to be true statements are
“ Vunerability is sexy” - this relates to authenticity and honesty . Being “real” with women. Chicks eat this up with a massive spoon and it turns them on BIG time.
I keep forgetting that one . it’s an attraction switch for sure. “Protector of loved ones” old Mystery the PuA May have labelled it. But not necessarily that. Can be many things.

Try to think how to work that in. I am become more conscious of that one using online dating now. It’s also key there.
I think it means being real and human but in the right way at the right time with a woman.
Gets chicks get wet for that stuff.

That’s stuff in my head atm.
Must work on that vunerability stuff in my OD interactions. I’m finding Cracking OD is hard man sheeit.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

yes yes and yes again. hot latina women with big asses and big, fake tits = AWESOME

Agreed.
I am all about the big rack.

 

[Dark_Stallion]

Cheers. That’s a true story from the good old days ( I’m older ,greying now and not socialising /clubbing anymore)

yep , do the weather topic thing for sure as it seems like ‘innocent ‘ social fluff talk conversation, Great cover to say other things ;D

this back and forth and examples from my memoirs has sparked the flame for me actually. I was out and about today with a male friend for coffee and checking out shops in a hipster area, I was a lot more chatty with the people we encountered , and with the women thinking again of innocent ways to casually open conversation and the seduction that may follow .,, and what could happen after that

Sometimes I think seduction /pickup has a few core elements .

(A) If a woman thinks u are an attractive guy with some sex appeal and charisma ie a cute /cool guy

(which is your job as a man to draw out/ establish in the first few minutes of meeting her , being in close proximity physically )

-> and you both agree in traded signals or some bantery wordplay that yes the interest is mutual on her side also, ie she lets it be know to you that she finds you cute and “yes please proceed with the interaction I am enjoying this” ->

then

then it’s essential she knows 2 things after that
(B) she knows or gets a good feel you have a plan and “cover story “ to move it along in steps next and ideally soonish

(C) you have a private location (hopefully) nearby where you two can be alone and you can seduce her and give her sex, (hopefully good sex obvs)

it’s really that procedure

so nutshelled this is the simplest 1,2,3

1. - I like you and desire you sexually , your looks really turn me on (signals) do you like me too? (Signals back from her) Yes/No

2. - I have a plan of action it will go like this , do you understand and do you comply or agree with what I’m laying out here ? (Cover story) arched eyebrow, sexy smiles, body language etc her - Yes/No

3. this is the location I am going to take you to hopefully have sex with you - are you ready to go and I will lead don’t worry . Her : Yes/No.

this is the general flow of many pickups I have done . I have fucked a few girls in the back of my car. And also fucked a chick in a car park after a bar /club. (That was a bit different and actually HER suggestion)

nail this general flow and if the girl thinks you’re a bamgable dude is open to it you will for sure get some action at the location,
It could be a kissing, tit play and fingerbanging session,
Could he full sex (most probably)

for me when I was/am picking up like this I am aiming low and going for a make out fingerbang /handjob/ blowjob.

I may indicate this if she is pushing back about how far she is willing to go. I respect that. But I know very well once she gets wet and into it , she’ll want the cock and the sex it’s the natural progression.

Viola!

Ok, how would you communicate a "cover up" story in a bar where you don't physically escalate through dancing, and where its loud to the point where you almost need to scream in someone's ear to get their attention?

In most other circumstances I can think of potential cover up stories to isolate a girl, get her walking with me in isolation

 

[Dark_Stallion]

Some other random observations re pickup and women I *think* I know from experience.

Ive known 3-4 guys in particular who are very good with women. 2 are about my height, average 5’10-5’11”.. 2 guys the were shorter. The common denominator was they all have very “cute “ faces to women, youthful or baby faced. Every chick would agree on that. And good hair also.

I don't have a "baby face" more like medium stubble although lots of people think my face is rather cute, also have really good hair

women love cute eyes in particular and a guys style also. They also love a man’s hands . Big hands is an asset and I’m always pointing mine out to women. Big strong hands etc. very masculine.
And a good voice. A voice that has a good range to it and can convey things with tonality.

Did you have to work on your voice at all to achieve this? I think my voice has gotten better naturally, since I started speaking on TikTok, but definitely still has room for improvement

Other things I believe to be true statements are
“ Vunerability is sexy” - this relates to authenticity and honesty . Being “real” with women. Chicks eat this up with a massive spoon and it turns them on BIG time.
I keep forgetting that one . it’s an attraction switch for sure. “Protector of loved ones” old Mystery the PuA May have labelled it. But not necessarily that. Can be many things.

Try to think how to work that in. I am become more conscious of that one using online dating now. It’s also key there.
I think it means being real and human but in the right way at the right time with a woman.
Gets chicks get wet for that stuff.

Hmm, I think I got a few ideas I think some frames like "I'm a lover not a fighter" "I love women" help, last week I saw a weirdo guy, crappy fundamentals, start dancing really aggressively in front of three girls, trying to compare heights with one of the girls, as to make her feel small, at first I thought it was a friend, when I realized it wasn't, I did get a bit pissed off and felt bad for the girls, as soon as he left, I told the girls to say if he ever comes back, to say you're with me, cuz I don't fuck with that shit, we were able to get into a convo with the girls with some nice banter and flirting, problem is they were on their way out of the venue, that shitsticker probably did ruin their mood a bit

That’s stuff in my head atm.
Must work on that vunerability stuff in my OD interactions. I’m finding Cracking OD is hard man sheeit.

 

[killerman]

Agreed.
I am all about the big rack.

To be honest I love huge natural tits as well. One of my big regrets regarding women and sex in the past was when I met some hot babe on a night out back in 2015/16. Tall brunette with great face, quite curvy with these huge natural tits. They were absolutely huge. She was pretty damn receptive to me and at the end of the night as she was getting into a taxi with her friends she asked me to come back with her to her place. I unfortunately said no as the place was like 30 mins train drive the next day back to my city but looking back now I've should have taken on the invitation and I most likely would have banged her brains out that night. Those huge tits were just gorgeous plus the combination with that face would have been one hella hot encounter. Tried asking her on a date a couple days later but it just didn't work. Anyway it is what it is.