Becoming sexier and more attractive is making things harder, not easier

[killerman]

Agreed.
I am all about the big rack.

Haha, I approached another hottie in sports bra and yoga pants today. Did the whole compliment opener thing but did it with a TON of emotionality like I REALLY meant it and then followed up again (she was off to the gym) later on in the conversation saying something like "oh you want me to follow you to the gym so I check you out in your hot sports bra and yoga pants while you're working out" or something like that. She absolutely loved it and said it was funny lol Was deliberately over the top and sleazy but it worked a treat. Thanks @Brassfaced_Jim

 

[killerman]

The thing about seduction is it's like playing guitar, it's not about what you say (not 100% anyway) but it's HOW you say it. When playing guitar solos you dont just play notes like a robot with no expression, you play the notes but with tons of expression like tons of aggressive pinched harmonics and bends with wild vibrato, and you put your heart and solo into it to engage the listener. Same with seduction, obviously you say lines that convey sexual interest but you've REALLY got to feel it. Solid eye contact and sexy voice and sexual intent are like the techniques but it all has to be said with passion and a ton of emotion.

Women are emotional creatures so you should be able to connect emotionally by being emotional aswell. I guess that's what they mean by they want a guy to be vulnerable, they mean they want him to express how he feels emotionally and to be an expressive person instead of a fucking robot. This explains why women love Italian men. Italian men FEEL and are very passionate. This gets conveyed when they talk as well. When you tell a women you think she's hot say it like you REALLY mean it., don't just say the words and that's that. And of course be sexual as hell. The more attractive you are the more they'll enjoy you being flirtatious and sexual as nothing turns a woman on more than a guy she thinks is hot as hell telling her he finds her sexy as hell, and flirting with her hardcore.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Haha, I approached another hottie in sports bra and yoga pants today. Did the whole compliment opener thing but did it with a TON of emotionality like I REALLY meant it and then followed up again (she was off to the gym) later on in the conversation saying something like "oh you want me to follow you to the gym so I check you out in your hot sports bra and yoga pants while you're working out" or something like that. She absolutely loved it and said it was funny lol Was deliberately over the top and sleazy but it worked a treat. Thanks @Brassfaced_Jim

For real?
This is great ..
Whether or not it leads to a bang, it feels good as a man to show your desire to a woman.imo. I got a big kick out of it.

I see this infield footage stuff of guy going over and giving compliments flat and low key and shake my head. OTT and actually insincere is the way to go imo.
I act it up insincerely but weirdly then I actually feel it sincerely and get a rush from it . I’ll confess if I do it right I get aroused.
She can sense it, and if it’s on it arouses her too

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

I came across that on a course. To go for Arousal instead of interest, can be done different ways. I ran Mystery Method for years, it can be down with a hard Neg also and this will arouse her also, but aroused by a threat. But arousal is arousal I think the theory is the arousal of a threat is right next door to sexual arousal in a woman’s brain and system , and hence why chicks love danger and bad boys.
That’s the theory anyways

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

The thing about seduction is it's like playing guitar, it's not about what you say (not 100% anyway) but it's HOW you say it. When playing guitar solos you dont just play notes like a robot with no expression, you play the notes but with tons of expression like tons of aggressive pinched harmonics and bends with wild vibrato, and you put your heart and solo into it to engage the listener. Same with seduction, obviously you say lines that convey sexual interest but you've REALLY got to feel it. Solid eye contact and sexy voice and sexual intent are like the techniques but it all has to be said with passion and a ton of emotion.

Women are emotional creatures so you should be able to connect emotionally by being emotional aswell. I guess that's what they mean by they want a guy to be vulnerable, they mean they want him to express how he feels emotionally and to be an expressive person instead of a fucking robot. This explains why women love Italian men. Italian men FEEL and are very passionate. This gets conveyed when they talk as well. When you tell a women you think she's hot say it like you REALLY mean it., don't just say the words and that's that. And of course be sexual as hell. The more attractive you are the more they'll enjoy you being flirtatious and sexual as nothing turns a woman on more than a guy she thinks is hot as hell telling her he finds her sexy as hell, and flirting with her hardcore.

110% agree.
Gotta sell it on the delivery imo.
and to do that well, had to really feel it build it up in myself first.

like when I was tryna be more Dominant , (like wayyy more ) I had to psych myself out quite a bit. I think it’s a natural way to increase Testosterone that’s probably what’s happening in the body. chicks really dig Testosterone as it’s masculine energy,

so all the stuff I did, I did in a high -T kind of state . ‘Leaning forward’ almost with my energy, sometimes having ‘bully’ energy when I was negging and playing Mr High Status . There’s that big element of macho underneath in the seductive “you’re so fucking hot” approach also, it’s ballsy and risky =courage= masculine imo

when I’m underslept and a bit cranky and annoyed I can do better with women as far as I know.

my ex used to always say the sex was better with me when I was tired and slightly cranky also, definitely. She said I was “ more in my body “ and less in my head I suppose.
She’d “get the good one” those times.
The good sex she meant.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Some funny other thoughts on this getting into a T state stuff.
For a good example of “Vibe” I used to remember that movie Silence of the Lambs and Dr Hannibal Lector. Now this may make folks laugh or say “Wtf he’s a serial killer’..!! but the character Dr Lector especially in the first scene where Clarice meets him , the character has an unmistakable vibe of “power”. And the Actor Anthony Hopkins does it all pretty much with his eyes and face. He stands completely still and in a weird way. So I always reflected on that.
so much power vibe signals transmitted but in just a few things. Helps hes behind bars in a high security prison I suppose . But still,

also Mickey Rourke in the movie 91/2 weeks . He does the whole seduction with his eyes and body language.

for super dominant id visualise the Predator and imagine I was 8 foot tall and super powerful . That helped psyching the state and increasing the T . LOL.

also watching any good action movie will raise T imo like 300, gladiator, predator etx and strangely the movie Atomic Blonde with Charlize Theron

 

[Ratata]

Sorry, I couldn't get any further in this thread cuz your posts infuriate me so much. I just had to stop reading and write a comment to the latest wall of text you wrote. I hope you're ready for some tough love, cuz this is it. Can you promise to not get defensive?

And bro (sorry for nagging, but...) can you please also stop writing walls of text? Take a writing class or something lol! Ok, nuff complaining. Let's get down to it...

Here's a passage by you that I found particularly infuriating:

When I'm talking with the girl i often cant think of anything to say, struggle to be flirtatious and it's always too platonic and i just end up firing off boring questions.

Stop it.

The above quote is a great indication that you're A. not being social (you're lacking social momentum, so you care and you're out of the zone), and B. that you're pedestalling her, i.e. making the conversation with her a big deal cuz you so badly need to impress her - or worse, try to get her to like you - when what you should really do, is simply to be a good listener.

The above quote is also proof that you're reacting instead of causing reactions, which is very bad. But if you're already too out of it to even dare to be the one that causes reactions, your next best move is literally to shut up. Because yes; it's actually better for you to say nothing at all than try to fill in gaps and silences.

While you're at it, stop trying to flirt with girls. It's not helping you. It just means that you're trying to go about flirting in a logical way, when it's not about logic at all. You're better off doing nothing, than trying to flirt. Once you have chemistry with someone, you'll notice that flirting becomes super easy. It's just banter. Because you don't care how she reacts, and you just assume that she'll either laugh or hit you in the chest due to what you say. You can't will that logically. I mean, you can use routines from Mystery Method, but it won't flow unless you actually stop caring so much about her validation of you.

Here's a mission for you. Next time you end up like that, let the silence linger. Look down. Look at her eyes. Look at her lips. Linger at her lips, and picture her lips kissing yours. Perhaps even move a little closer to her. Her mirror neurons will fire so hard when she notices what you're doing. And soon you might feel a completely new kind of fear and unease: The unease of sexual tension building.

Oh, who am I kidding... You're gonna crack a joke to ease the tension only to ruin it all - aren't you? - when what you should have done, is to bask in that glory and let it go into full on catharsis by leaning a bit closer to her... While looking deep into her eyes. Then at her lips..... Then lean even closer, and... Btw, this is the only time you're allowed to say something to her. And I'll only allow you one option here. Ask her "what are you doing to me?" Then kiss her. Yes, really! Blame her for why you're aroused by her.

So, listen. What I just wrote is risky. You're not guaranteed that the above will work. Could also be that the silence just becomes awkward, and so she leaves cuz she's freaked out by you. That is a very real risk. Sorry. But seduction is a risk taking activity, and in sum, you're better off doing something risky, than letting a conversation regress into boring platitudes that turn her off. Because once she's categorized you as a male girl, you're out for good. But if you do something risky, and if she walks off, you've at least learned, and so you will calibrate and do better next time.

If you say something boring, it means that you're afraid of her reaction, so you end up playing it safe. The girl notices that "shit, this hunk may be a Greek God in looks, but he's also a follower; a loser, someone who's afraid of me. How the fuck is he supposed to protect me, if he doesn't even dare to speak his mind around me, let alone loosen up enough to have some fun with me?"

You're literally better off grabbing her and trying to kiss her if you feel any sexual tension when a girl is with you, than saying yet another boring platitude. Yes, move her. Get compliance. Take her outside for some "air" (grab her hand and lead her). But fuck talking. Guys who fuck don't need to talk (though it helps). Guys who fuck act. And they don't give a shit if a girl might get offended by some shit they said. Well, I mean, they might have sympathy, but they'd laugh it off it she became pissy - and she'd know that she has no power over you - which is attractive as hell for a girl.

Some inspiration for you - that is also tailored to make you think: Did you know that you can seduce women without ever parting your lips? I've done this. I've gone up to women on good vibes, smiles, and grimaces, and made out with them without uttering a single word.

I learned this while I travelled. Somehow it was easier to seduce a woman I couldn't speak the same language as, than someone I could share platitudes with all evening. Why is that? Easy. Platitudes does not involve any emotional investment. They are easy outs, and proof that you care more about her approval, than sharing a beautiful moment with her.

Think of how happy a dog can make you just by wagging its tail and jumping about when you show it a ball. Think of how happy a freaking dolphin makes you just by screeching and smiling at you. That's the kind of energy I want you to use with women. You don't need spoken language - and least of all platitudes - to communicate with women. You only need funny grimaces and a fun-loving, curious vibe. (Or sometimes that kitten vibe, so she'll auto-fawn over you and cuddle cuddle cuddle with you cuz you're so cute!)

How is this possible? I'll tell you. It's because vibe matters way more than what you say. I haven't taken it to such an extreme yet, but a friend of mine took it the entire way to bed. He seduced a woman, took her home, had sex with her, all without uttering a single word. The day after, he told her this "You can ask me one out of two things: My age or my name." She asked about his age, then left. Words. They don't matter. I mean they obviously do, but you'll become a way better seducer by letting go of spoken communication, and focussing more on vibe and energy.

Meanwhile you're standing there playing it safe while stuttering out boring stuff like "So, erm... What do you do for work?" Stop it! Do me a favour and kick yourself in the shin next time you do something stupid like that.

Will you do my mission? Are you also as strong in mind, as you are in body? I would love to see you succeed at this!

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Sorry, I couldn't get any further in this thread cuz your posts infuriate me so much. I just had to stop reading and write a comment to the latest wall of text you wrote. I hope you're ready for some tough love, cuz this is it. Can you promise to not get defensive?

And bro (sorry for nagging, but...) can you please also stop writing walls of text? Take a writing class or something lol! Ok, nuff complaining. Let's get down to it...

Ratata
I had to chuckle a bit at your chastising above re not writing walls of text….

and then replying with a huge-mongous wall of text yourself

jussss sayin’!

quid pro quo baby! Haha.

Btw not sure if it was direct led at me also (probably I’m v guilty too) I’ve gotten this feedback on forums before many times myself. It is the way to go on forums and is great advice. But it’s quite hard to learn to condense for me honestly ! (I’m ADHD leaning). There I did it again.

 

[Ratata]

Ratata
I had to chuckle a bit at your chastising above re not writing walls of text….

and then replying with a huge-mongous wall of text yourself

jussss sayin’!

quid pro quo baby! Haha.

Btw not sure if it was direct led at me also (probably I’m v guilty too) I’ve gotten this feedback on forums before many times myself. It is the way to go on forums and is great advice. But it’s quite hard to learn to condense for me honestly ! (I’m ADHD leaning). There I did it again.

look man the difference between what i wrote and an actual wall of text is pretty simple because what you call my wall of text actually had paragraphs spacing and punctuation so it was readable and easy to follow but a true wall of text looks more like this where the words just keep coming and coming with no breaks at all and the sentences drag on forever until you kind of lose track of what the point even was and your eyes glaze over halfway through because there is no structure and no rhythm and no way for your brain to pause so it becomes one massive block of words and honestly you don’t even want to finish reading it because it feels like work instead of communication and that is exactly why mine isn’t a wall of text it’s just long form writing but this here this is the wall

Jokes aside. No, it wasn't directed at you. Btw I have mostly ADHD friends and I think it's no coincidence, but though they accuse me of having ADHD I actually got a test, and... Sorry, I ain't got it. I'm just brain damaged I think.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

look man the difference between what i wrote and an actual wall of text is pretty simple because what you call my wall of text actually had paragraphs spacing and punctuation so it was readable and easy to follow but a true wall of text looks more like this where the words just keep coming and coming with no breaks at all and the sentences drag on forever until you kind of lose track of what the point even was and your eyes glaze over halfway through because there is no structure and no rhythm and no way for your brain to pause so it becomes one massive block of words and honestly you don’t even want to finish reading it because it feels like work instead of communication and that is exactly why mine isn’t a wall of text it’s just long form writing but this here this is the wall

Jokes aside. No, it wasn't directed at you. Btw I have mostly ADHD friends and I think it's no coincidence, but though they accuse me of having ADHD I actually got a test, and... Sorry, I ain't got it. I'm just brain damaged I think.y

Hahaha ahhh I get it yes,
Ah I see . a valid point Wall Of Text does inspire migraines.

I was thinking over my advice to Killerman today.. re teh approaching with OTT flattery and body language.. not sure if I mentioned clearly enough when I did, it in the glory days I was always disingenuous. It was obviously put on and fake. Then mulling over other things I’ve read by a known seducer who is no longer in PUA-land,

He said all the guys he knew that were really good with women were ‘calm and magnetic’, more like Ratatas advice above.

there are many styles tho, mine was always to deliver things in a joking way, but a very masculine , dominant way to make the chick feel the real energy underneath the display of rediculousness I was doing, almost like ‘high energy ADHD game’ it may be called .lol. Everything maxed out in energy .

which made me think of the calm and magnetic way and these old PUA coaches that trained newbie guys to just approach and give a simple compliment (lame , nice guy stuff imo) .,, that’s ok I spose.

but a better exercise may be thus
Walk up to very attractive woman and give her an OTT compliment like “ Hi , I just wanted to stop you and say you look absolutely-incredibly-gorgeous today!
Then she replies giggling “haha why thank you!”
then the guy just looks at her saying nothing at all in reply . Just to get used to what tension feels like. And do see how long he can hold it . Just no follow up at all. Let it get super awkward.

May even try hold her hand and do that and get a friend to time it with a stopwatch and see who goes the longest.

I’m going to start doing this as an experiment I reckon. I love experiments and I’m rusty AF with women these days.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Oh I forgot to add *and smiling*
so stand just looking at her, maybe look her up and down just smiling a light smile.
It be really interesting to see how long I could hold that saying nothing and how she would disengage. Haha!

 

[killerman]

I came across that on a course. To go for Arousal instead of interest, can be done different ways. I ran Mystery Method for years, it can be down with a hard Neg also and this will arouse her also, but aroused by a threat. But arousal is arousal I think the theory is the arousal of a threat is right next door to sexual arousal in a woman’s brain and system , and hence why chicks love danger and bad boys.
That’s the theory anyways

Yes I'd rather go for completely over the top sexual desire as well because it's basically how I feel, and if she's attracted t you that's how she'd have to feel right? Just the way I looked bang into her eyes yesterday telling she's absolutely fucking gorgeous while giving her the "I really fucking want to fuck you" sexual eye contact. Too many people say you should go indirect but screw that, I'm thinking if she wants you and thinks you're sexy wouldn't she want you also to feel intense sexual desire and for you to communicate that to her as well? Women are always saying these days that men are not in touch with their feelings enough so this has to be it.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Yes I'd rather go for completely over the top sexual desire as well because it's basically how I feel, and if she's attracted t you that's how she'd have to feel right? Just the way I looked bang into her eyes yesterday telling she's absolutely fucking gorgeous while giving her the "I really fucking want to fuck you" sexual eye contact. Too many people say you should go indirect but screw that, I'm thinking if she wants you and thinks you're sexy wouldn't she want you also to feel intense sexual desire and for you to communicate that to her as well? Women are always saying these days that men are not in touch with their feelings enough so this has to be it.

Yeah direct shows balls .Good stuff.
I used to watch the older ‘direct game’ pua infield stuff, it was so lame, like real pussy nice guy stuff … that’s not ‘direct’ ! Lol

 

[killerman]

Yeah direct shows balls .Good stuff.
I used to watch the older ‘direct game’ pua infield stuff, it was so lame, like real pussy nice guy stuff … that’s not ‘direct’ ! Lol

what kind of stuff did older direct game show?

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

what kind of stuff did older direct game show?

Some of it was not even that old actually.
I can’t recall the channel or coach names but most were crap and pussy beggars

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Some of it was not even that old actually.
I can’t recall the channel or coach names but most were crap and pussy beggars

Stuff like “ hi my names x, I thought u looked interesting and wanted to meet you” and then having flat non sexual /no showing interest lame convos … and then breaking it down with theory like it was something other than a fail.

 

[Dark_Stallion]

Stuff like “ hi my names x, I thought u looked interesting and wanted to meet you” and then having flat non sexual /no showing interest lame convos … and then breaking it down with theory like it was something other than a fail.

I've tried that opener once, a long time ago, tbh it was just words said without any emotion, the girl looked at me with a bizzare look on her face, repeated my question and rebuffed me

Also I tend to use indirect to start a conversation, then quickly personalize it to the girl, can even compliment her after a couple lines of convo, when her guard is a bit down, and she expects it less

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

I've tried that opener once, a long time ago, tbh it was just words said without any emotion, the girl looked at me with a bizzare look on her face, repeated my question and rebuffed me

Also I tend to use indirect to start a conversation, then quickly personalize it to the girl, can even compliment her after a couple lines of convo, when her guard is a bit down, and she expects it less

Yeah man.. a lot of those day game lines don’t work. Cos the girl is like “and…so fucking WHAT? “ at that point she does not CARE.

I recall doing some day game in the city here and stopping a very cute black chick indirectly with something stupid (to surprise her and make her laugh) ..then a few lines of ‘so what u up to today” then dropped “ yknow what? You are SO my type”
Her - “oh yeah and what’s that?”
At which point I dropped the ball as i was winging it and I didn’t think that far ahead and replied ..” uhhh… cos.. your dark and hot?” Then she just rolled her eyes and walked off,

I ought to have said something specific like her eyes or a cold read on her “Vibe”.

to me from experiences what works is an OTT redicuilous compliment/barrage of compliments in an obvious cheesy fake way (talking the piss out of lame openers ) or Negging /teasing girls,

cos I wanna snap them out of their trance and get them to pay attention .

MMs begging stuff worked pretty good for me. Must go back and relearn.

2 of the seducers I’ve known IRL are great at teasing , that’s most of their verbal game plus cute faces and stylish.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

I’ve thought a lot about why teasing, put downs. And nicknames etc work. And there’s many reasons . Mainly it’s high status communication. You can’t be dominant without knowing how to tongue lash people around you when they try to challenge you.

I’ve gotten into the spheres of some very hot chicks and laid a fair few by changing up my game to negging and teasing.

one interaction in a club with a hottie years ago I remember.. I was hard teasing her and acting very laid back and indifferent .
I didn’t let up the whole interaction. She was jousting back at my the whole time qualifying and testing me. Somehow I passed all her tests ( I fluked it somehow honestly as I had a girlfriend at the time and didn’t really want to cheat on her) so anyway I keep teasing and giving her the brush off expecting to tank the interaction.

I remember she defs tested me with “ are u the leader of your group? Cos I’m the Queen Bee of mine you know” a lot about her status in her girl gang. And I matched that with bullshit my side.

Anyway , after the club I went back with her to her lodge place she was staying (some nurses accom I think with many rooms) we walked all around the corridors and past her room twice .. I sensed she was not sure and waiting for something , she hesitated on taking me inside. There was something I missed there at the last hurdle .. then she walked me outside again and said she had to go and would like to see me again etc and that was that. Next time I saw her she was a show 3 rows up behind me and me sitting with my GF sweating haha.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

So think of it this way
That hot chick reckoned she was “Queen Bee” of her girl gang, so you can bet she knew how to give any of them a tongue lashing and put them in their place if they challenged her.
She was Top Bitch.

So she’ll be looking for a Bloke that is Top Dog bloke. And a top dog bloke does the same thing he knows how to tongue lash his mates to keep them below him.

so that’s why negginh and teasing works. Imo,

it’s also a display of intelligence and effort .

it takes a lot less mental energy to say “ hi how are you” than to say some on the stop blistering tease. But we can let it and rehearse it so it SEEMS on the spot, get me?