What's new

Coaches in LTRs or not active in field?

Water

Modern Human
Modern Human
Joined
Feb 27, 2014
Messages
293
Can you learn anything or is it worthwhile at all to get coaching from someone who is in an exclusive LTR and is not actively in field?

One coach told me it was worth it to get coaching from him even if he’s not actively (but he has a reason for lying, as he would be profiting). He said he could demo but wouldn’t push the demo far, so wouldn’t demonstrate any strong flirting or sexuality as that counts as cheating for him.

A coach should be active in field right?

If they haven’t been active in 5-10 years then their skill set wouldn’t work at all or as well on today’s women.
 

isildur1

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
Joined
Jun 13, 2024
Messages
273
I learnt good advice from Liam McRae when he was in a relationship

Zan Perrion was married too and he gave me good pointers in his 21 convention speeches

so all together yes - it depends on what said coach is saying
 

James D

Modern Human
Modern Human
Joined
Jul 23, 2017
Messages
755
Some things require you to be in the field for advice to be relevant.

For instance I've learnt a lot about how nightgame has evolved thanks to members on this forum who are active in the field.

It was useful when I was considering making a comeback after almost 3 years.

Some things are timeless though.

I got a coaching call with Zan Perrion back in 2020 when he was running massive discounts duing Covid.

He had a fiancee or already married back then.

His practical advice on projecting sexual energy was spot on though and changed my interactions onwards for the better.
 

Water

Modern Human
Modern Human
Joined
Feb 27, 2014
Messages
293
Did female psychology suddenly change after hundreds of thousands of years?
I think the underlying principles and mannerisms and behaviors are timeless and will remain attractive to women. And certain preferences in looks (girls liking lean and muscular guys, not too bulky, or tall guys, and the attractive facial structure), as this is rooted in evolutionary biology, and not era or culture based.

I would have thought everything that worked 5-10 years ago would work today, minus technology and trend changes, such as beepers and home phone lines and cell phones / myspace to facebook to instagram.

But @Skills explained it well here, some things do not work the exact same effectiveness


 

ziggydust

Space Monkey
space monkey
Joined
Jun 8, 2025
Messages
20
Can you learn anything or is it worthwhile at all to get coaching from someone who is in an exclusive LTR and is not actively in field?

One coach told me it was worth it to get coaching from him even if he’s not actively (but he has a reason for lying, as he would be profiting). He said he could demo but wouldn’t push the demo far, so wouldn’t demonstrate any strong flirting or sexuality as that counts as cheating for him.

A coach should be active in field right?

If they haven’t been active in 5-10 years then their skill set wouldn’t work at all or as well on today’s women.
never even think about paying for a coach or a course or something if the guy hasn't got lots of infield footage and/or will demonstrate live

anyone can write a book etc and claim to be a super stud
 

bkw

Tool-Bearing Hominid
Tool-Bearing Hominid
Joined
Feb 14, 2025
Messages
141
I mean, if you're paying him money for something specific, then he should demo fully for you. If he's not willing to demo to his full capacity because he considers it cheating, then you should either be getting a discount, or might want to consider someone else imo.

I think a coach can still teach the right things based on his experience/knowledge, even if he hasn't been in the game for a while, but he's definitely not going to be as sharp as a coach that's in it all the time.

Then, I guess the decision comes down to: if you had a choice of two coaches with identical skills levels, but one hasn't done much game recently, while the other is active, who then would you choose? I think most people would pick the latter if you respected them equally. If you don't respect them equally, then I think you'd probably go with the one you respected more, regardless of their activity recently.
 

Skills

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
5,585
I think the underlying principles and mannerisms and behaviors are timeless and will remain attractive to women. And certain preferences in looks (girls liking lean and muscular guys, not too bulky, or tall guys, and the attractive facial structure), as this is rooted in evolutionary biology, and not era or culture based.

I would have thought everything that worked 5-10 years ago would work today, minus technology and trend changes, such as beepers and home phone lines and cell phones / myspace to facebook to instagram.

But @Skills explained it well here, some things do not work the exact same effectiveness


well there is a way around the above ^ if he still goes out and observe and interact (though not ideal and unlikely, but i done this)... the second is of course having networks of guys still going out and reporting back or your own students.....

There are guys not doing night game or going out in ltr, were they are still getting guys laid, is not as black and white....

But ideally yes if the coach is active is good, but you can not discard years of experience..... But a lot of seduction shit! with gen z is unnecessary and can back fire (kiss denial, push pull, sarcasm, assuming not texting you right away and she is not interested, at times social awkwardness and lack of experience, gen z not good with ais and making themselves available but will open you and approach you and take masculine role and not a whale hot girl etc...), style changes also is crazy i got red pill by spike on style and fought him a year on that for example.....

mystery(was advocating skype calls), manson(text to meet), 60yoc (advocating phone calls).... useless, while other stuff they teach still valid.....

just like fashion imagine a time machiner telling you to dress like the 90s or 2000s 5 years ago (outdated advice) but now 5 years later that is the style, stuff also including game goes in cycles.... my point is yesterday advice can be outdated then become dated... generations have changes and influence other gens.. Yesterday i saw an old wing cold flash, he should have just stay home tbh... His style was off, game none existent...of course he was making fun of my rings, when one of the hottest girl in the club came up to me and complimented my style....

I personally can't do this anymore getting burned out, i want out, unfortunately my students get girlfriends and quit the community or once the exploit my knowledge quit or are too insane... which is not ideal cause ideally i want some type of replacement, place holder...
 

TomInHo

Modern Human
Modern Human
Joined
Dec 13, 2021
Messages
755
mystery(was advocating skype calls), manson(text to meet), 60yoc (advocating phone calls).... useless, while other stuff they teach still valid.....

Minor nitpick but those things still work very well

Have been able to get girls out that were wishy washy after doing FaceTime or Phone calls. In fact I have been able to skip dates entirely sometimes by doing FaceTime

Still a very good strategy IMO... and yes with Gen Z they do pick up the phone and not sure you are aware but Facetime dates are actually very common with Gen Z

It's one of their favorite things to do in the "Talking Stage" before they invest more in a dude they like

AKA... a vibe check
 

Skills

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
5,585
Minor nitpick but those things still work very well

Have been able to get girls out that were wishy washy after doing FaceTime or Phone calls. In fact I have been able to skip dates entirely sometimes by doing FaceTime

Still a very good strategy IMO... and yes with Gen Z they do pick up the phone and not sure you are aware but Facetime dates are actually very common with Gen Z

It's one of their favorite things to do in the "Talking Stage" before they invest more in a dude they like

AKA... a vibe check
Gen z doesn't even know what skype is... Calling girls on the phone like advice in his book is low odds... Again that is why field testing exists.. text to meet has been field tested by numerous guys, is not really optimal... And doesn't disprove the rest of their books or teachings.... I recommend the 3 of them but I don't think i would recommend any guys to take any coaching from any of them now a days...
 

TomInHo

Modern Human
Modern Human
Joined
Dec 13, 2021
Messages
755
Gen z doesn't even know what skype is... Calling girls on the phone like advice in his book is low odds... Again that is why field testing exists.. text to meet has been field tested by numerous guys, is not really optimal... And doesn't disprove the rest of their books or teachings.... I recommend the 3 of them but I don't think i would recommend any guys to take any coaching from any of them now a days...

I didn’t say Skype, I said FaceTime

And I have also done phone calls. It still works
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

Skills

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
5,585
I didn’t say Skype, I said FaceTime

mystery was advising skype i was making an analogy to make a point, your nitpick was idiotic...
And I have also done phone calls. It still works

Read 60 yoc first, follow his phone advice in context, then read water question, and read my answer and put it in context, vs trolling brother!
 
Top