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Derailed discussion from Madala's NY update

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Tribal Elder
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The thread in which the mods deleted my posts and then locked the thread shortly after:

Read through p1-p3
I dont agree with mods deleting your posts and locking the post, but iam not a mod... i knew pancakemouse he was part of my crew... there is some context on pancakemouse and things he was doing... i am not anti direct, i use direct in certain situations, for example short time to operate... i do think madala ratios are a bit high, but what does that have to do with 1 in 10 or 1 in 5 or even 1 in 3 is your argument that is not belivable????here is a post on that, i did it based on getting to know pancakemouse:

 
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Tribal Elder
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Oh mr telephone tough guy now too on top of being a drama hound.

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correct but let me fix that for you "oh mr internet tough guy" dude you like to be insulting and be rude to people over the internet... all i am saying is I would love for you to talk to me and tell me to SHUT UP in person, and let see what happens, actually nothing would happen cause i guarantee all the money in the world you would not talk to me in person, strong projection(everyone here in the forum knows this and would take that bet)..... I would love for you to have been such an aggressive moderator and delete posts and banned people when Bach was trolling all over the forum.... Too bad you disappeared right????......

Did you not see that i was taking the dude side, in order for him to put the guard down and then for me to show him in a friendly vs adversarial manner why and how the 1 to 10 or lower is possible, with an actual well written article vs what you did, provoke the dude rudely as a moderator, then when he responded the pussy move of deleting his answers to your provocation then delete his posts.... I don't see any other mods here behaving the way you do, every time you mod is shit show! IS A FUCKIGN PATTERN, you even fucking insulted CHASE the fucking owner of the forum with you paranoia, as i always predicted... Is a matter of time, that people here open the eyes and catch on to you.... And then i will say "i knew this was going to happen" i will sit here and wait...

P.s . @madala i don't know if english is your second language or you are just a lazy writer, this is a trend that you have made confusing ass posts, then when people get confused due to your laziness, you get pissed, please take the time to make your posts less confusing...

"Total Approaches: Game approaches 500 ish, including my job 2000 give or take"
 
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Gunwitch

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correct but let me fix that for you "oh mr internet tough guy" dude you like to be insulting and be rude to people over the internet... all i am saying is I would love for you to talk to me and tell me to SHUT UP in person, and let see what happens, actually nothing would happen cause i guarantee all the money in the world you would not talk to me in person, strong projection(everyone here in the forum knows this and would take that bet)..... I would love for you to have been such an aggressive moderator and delete posts and banned people when Bach was trolling all over the forum.... Too bad you disappeared right????......

Did you not see that i was taking the dude side, in order for him to put the guard down and then for me to show him in a friendly vs adversarial manner why and how the 1 to 10 or lower is possible, with an actual well written article vs what you did, provoke the dude rudely as a moderator, then when he responded the pussy move of deleting his answers to your provocation then delete his posts.... I don't see any other mods here behaving the way you do, every time you mod is shit show! IS A FUCKIGN PATTERN, you even fucking insulted CHASE the fucking owner of the forum with you paranoia, as i always predicted... Is a matter of time, that people here open the eyes and catch on to you.... And then i will say "i knew this was going to happen" i will sit here and wait...

P.s . @madala i don't know if english is your second language or you are just a lazy writer, this is a trend that you have made confusing ass posts, then when people get confused due to your laziness, you get pissed, please take the time to make your posts less confusing...

"Total Approaches: Game approaches 500 ish, including my job 2000 give or take"
Stop talking tough and making threats, insulting peoples language etc, or I will have to discipline you. I'll spank your bottom CHERRY red.

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Swati

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correct but let me fix that for you "oh mr internet tough guy" dude you like to be insulting and be rude to people over the internet... all i am saying is I would love for you to talk to me and tell me to SHUT UP in person, and let see what happens, actually nothing would happen cause i guarantee all the money in the world you would not talk to me in person, strong projection(everyone here in the forum knows this and would take that bet)..... I would love for you to have been such an aggressive moderator and delete posts and banned people when Bach was trolling all over the forum.... Too bad you disappeared right????......

Did you not see that i was taking the dude side, in order for him to put the guard down and then for me to show him in a friendly vs adversarial manner why and how the 1 to 10 or lower is possible, with an actual well written article vs what you did, provoke the dude rudely as a moderator, then when he responded the pussy move of deleting his answers to your provocation then delete his posts.... I don't see any other mods here behaving the way you do, every time you mod is shit show! IS A FUCKIGN PATTERN, you even fucking insulted CHASE the fucking owner of the forum with you paranoia, as i always predicted... Is a matter of time, that people here open the eyes and catch on to you.... And then i will say "i knew this was going to happen" i will sit here and wait...

P.s . @madala i don't know if english is your second language or you are just a lazy writer, this is a trend that you have made confusing ass posts, then when people get confused due to your laziness, you get pissed, please take the time to make your posts less confusing...

"Total Approaches: Game approaches 500 ish, including my job 2000 give or take"
I should check my grammar and writings more frequently but where do you see the "TREND" of me, making confusing posts?

Every time there's a drama I always see you, but you had planned out time to egg on this noob to argue bullshit on this trend that's for sure, taking the side of some keyboard warrior

move your messaging to another post

Mr. pop drop and lock, tough guy
 
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Will_V

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correct but let me fix that for you "oh mr internet tough guy" dude you like to be insulting and be rude to people over the internet... all i am saying is I would love for you to talk to me and tell me to SHUT UP in person, and let see what happens, actually nothing would happen cause i guarantee all the money in the world you would not talk to me in person, strong projection(everyone here in the forum knows this and would take that bet)..... I would love for you to have been such an aggressive moderator and delete posts and banned people when Bach was trolling all over the forum.... Too bad you disappeared right????......

Did you not see that i was taking the dude side, in order for him to put the guard down and then for me to show him in a friendly vs adversarial manner why and how the 1 to 10 or lower is possible, with an actual well written article vs what you did, provoke the dude rudely as a moderator, then when he responded the pussy move of deleting his answers to your provocation then delete his posts.... I don't see any other mods here behaving the way you do, every time you mod is shit show! IS A FUCKIGN PATTERN, you even fucking insulted CHASE the fucking owner of the forum with you paranoia, as i always predicted... Is a matter of time, that people here open the eyes and catch on to you.... And then i will say "i knew this was going to happen" i will sit here and wait...

P.s . @madala i don't know if english is your second language or you are just a lazy writer, this is a trend that you have made confusing ass posts, then when people get confused due to your laziness, you get pissed, please take the time to make your posts less confusing...

"Total Approaches: Game approaches 500 ish, including my job 2000 give or take"

As a mod I would have simply deleted the ad hominem posts, warned @Helanes, and let the overall discussion play out which is healthy for a forum like this. If someone arguing about approach to lay ratio is such an insult then I don't know why a forum like this exists in the first place. Clearly the guy was doing a lot of game and putting his own stats out there, and it would have been a good way to have some competing perspectives on what is realistic to expect with different methods and approaches.

I've heard the 1/30 estimation from guys such as Paul Janka, John Anthony, James Tusk it seems, and various allusions to similar stats from other guys I've listened to (note most of these guys are day gamers, I don't know if ratios are higher in night game but my understanding is that night game is more competitive and chaotic and therefore more difficult, I'm much more of a daygamer myself). So it's not a random value coming from someone with no clue.

At first glance 1/5 seems pretty high to me when you account for the mass of variables such as women with boyfriends who won't cheat, women who just don't like your type, logistical problems, cockblocks appearing out of nowhere, LMR, etc. I won't be the one to say that it's not possible but it'd have to be a very exceptional guy ticking pretty much every box under the sun and consistently at the top of his game.

Personally I'm not experienced enough to know for myself, also I'm way too sporadic, regularly stop for months and get rusty and have to grind a bit to get back in, and I don't keep track of anything, so I'm certainly open to the idea that there are people who are substantially more successful than the guys I mentioned. I would have liked to hear more from both sides of the equation so that I could learn something, and I'm sure a lot of other guys would too.

Obviously repeated bad behavior can't be tolerated but a bit of competition is good. I think it would be good if things didn't spiral into personal attacks and counterattacks so quickly on this place, this is a place first and foremost for learning, and the competition of ideas is necessary for that.
 

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As a mod I would have simply deleted the ad hominem posts, warned @Helanes, and let the overall discussion play out which is healthy for a forum like this. If someone arguing about approach to lay ratio is such an insult then I don't know why a forum like this exists in the first place. Clearly the guy was doing a lot of game and putting his own stats out there, and it would have been a good way to have some competing perspectives on what is realistic to expect with different methods and approaches.

I've heard the 1/30 estimation from guys such as Paul Janka, John Anthony, James Tusk it seems, and various allusions to similar stats from other guys I've listened to (note most of these guys are day gamers, I don't know if ratios are higher in night game but my understanding is that night game is more competitive and chaotic and therefore more difficult, I'm much more of a daygamer myself). So it's not a random value coming from someone with no clue.

At first glance 1/5 seems pretty high to me when you account for the mass of variables such as women with boyfriends who won't cheat, women who just don't like your type, logistical problems, cockblocks appearing out of nowhere, LMR, etc. I won't be the one to say that it's not possible but it'd have to be a very exceptional guy ticking pretty much every box under the sun and consistently at the top of his game.

Personally I'm not experienced enough to know for myself, also I'm way too sporadic, regularly stop for months and get rusty and have to grind a bit to get back in, and I don't keep track of anything, so I'm certainly open to the idea that there are people who are substantially more successful than the guys I mentioned. I would have liked to hear more from both sides of the equation so that I could learn something, and I'm sure a lot of other guys would too.

Obviously repeated bad behavior can't be tolerated but a bit of competition is good. I think it would be good if things didn't spiral into personal attacks and counterattacks so quickly on this place, this is a place first and foremost for learning, and the competition of ideas is necessary for that.

Guy again was posting articles about me and legal troubles from a decade ago. Attacking Teev. Had TWO posts. Enough with this devils advocate bullshit, Will and Skills. Teev even sniffed it out who he probably really was. A former troll who was already banned.


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dude was an asshole on this actual post and chat

now can one of you mods move these posts madala’s thread is painfully derailed and it actually is a good post

move my post as well
 
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