Direct vs Indirect daygame approach

[Igor]

When I look for infields, the fast majority are DIRECT approaches but then I notice the guy who did the approach is a smooth guy and has good looks. For average men, not that attractive, would you really think that DIRECT is always better than going INDIRECT?

 

[AspiringStoic]

Guys do not do direct because they are smooth.

They have become smooth because they have done tons and tons of it.

And really? All guys doing direct have good looks??

How about these bald guys? They are all good looking studs?

 

[Skills]

When I look for infields, the fast majority are DIRECT approaches but then I notice the guy who did the approach is a smooth guy and has good looks. For average men, not that attractive, would you really think that DIRECT is always better than going INDIRECT?

try them both, see which one works better.....

 

[James D]

The advantage of direct for day game is it gives your opener context when it would otherwise feel out of the blue.

Like if you see a pretty girl across the street, you're not gonna walk over just to ask her for directions. Would feel off.

It gives a cool plausible reason why you went out of your way and broke social conventions to talk to her.

And in the day you're gonna be doing a lot of these approaches especially if the girl isn't stationary.

And sometimes she's in a rush or in her head and a good compliment snaps her out of it and gets her to focus on you.

Any other time you can go indirect like situationally relevant openers, do that. Usually in cafes, bookstores, stationary girls.

Direct can fall flat when done in a generic way, which you'll see a lot of YouTubers do btw.

 

[quiteastory]

Women will know why you approach them even if you pretend that's not the case = you are labelled as Mr Creepy Guy. Pretending you're not interested will work against you. And if you think you're not smooth enough to go direct, that's exactly why you need to do it, because experience = smoothness (and good fundamentals of course).

 

[Skills]

Women will know why you approach them even if you pretend that's not the case = you are labelled as Mr Creepy Guy. Pretending you're not interested will work against you. And if you think you're not smooth enough to go direct, that's exactly why you need to do it, because experience = smoothness (and good fundamentals of course).

Sir you have no clue how indirect works.... total kj

 

[quiteastory]

Sir you have no clue how indirect works.... total kj

Sure mate So your advice for the guy is to approach attractive women on the street, pretend you want ask what time is it and try to make something happen?

 

[KJ Francis]

Sure mate So your advice for the guy is to approach attractive women on the street, pretend you want ask what time is it and try to make something happen?

Read the post from James again.

Ideal indirect is often with a situational opener. You're not hiding the banana for long - just not throwing anything out there she can reject until detecting some interest.

Even if you ask the time, if you sense attraction in her body language you can start showing interest back.

 

[quiteastory]

Read the post from James again.

Ideal indirect is often with a situational opener. You're not hiding the banana for long - just not throwing anything out there she can reject until detecting some interest.

Even if you ask the time, if you sense attraction in her body language you can start showing interest back.

I read it and I agree with everything he said.

Like if you see a pretty girl across the street, you're not gonna walk over just to ask her for directions. Would feel off.

This is what I said.

Any other time you can go indirect like situationally relevant openers, do that. Usually in cafes, bookstores, stationary girls.

I agree that in these situations indirect may be better. My main problem with indirect is a fact that it's too random, you can't really do proper amount of approaches to succeed or learn. I'm a busy guy and i rarely have an opportunity to chill in a cafe, hoping that a hot chick will pop up next to me.

If it happens, it happens, I always shoot these shots, but I prefer to go direct, as I have better control over my approach numbers. Direct also creates more opportunites, you don't wait for context, you create it. It also creates a solid romantic frame, which gave me much better results than indirect.

 

[Skills]

Sure mate So your advice for the guy is to approach attractive women on the street, pretend you want ask what time is it and try to make something happen?

So indirect is asking for time and directions???

 

[KJ Francis]

I read it and I agree with everything he said.



This is what I said.



I agree that in these situations indirect may be better. My main problem with indirect is a fact that it's too random, you can't really do proper amount of approaches to succeed or learn. I'm a busy guy and i rarely have an opportunity to chill in a cafe, hoping that a hot chick will pop up next to me.

If it happens, it happens, I always shoot these shots, but I prefer to go direct, as I have better control over my approach numbers. Direct also creates more opportunites, you don't wait for context, you create it. It also creates a solid romantic frame, which gave me much better results than indirect.

I'm not really getting the point here...

It's not really about direct vs. indirect. It's using the right tool for the situation.

So yeah if you want to do high volume and stop girls on the street, direct may be the appropriate tool.

With situational you don't wait for context. There is already context you comment on, like whatever she's shopping for or reading, or whatever's going on around you two in the present moment.

 

[quiteastory]

I'm not really getting the point here...

It's not really about direct vs. indirect. It's using the right tool for the situation.

So yeah if you want to do high volume and stop girls on the street, direct may be the appropriate tool.

With situational you don't wait for context. There is already context you comment on, like whatever she's shopping for or reading, or whatever's going on around you two in the present moment.

You're right, i got caught up in a "direct vs indirect" battle too much. You need to choose a proper tool for the job.

 

[Skills]

You're right, i got caught up in a "direct vs indirect" battle too much. You need to choose a proper tool for the job.

This is an example of fast and indirect, inderect is not only opinion openers and asking for directions..

Openers - "You seem lost"

Ok guys this is a very very high odds opener, it is really good for "malls", specially outside malls, so here it how it works: - there is a mall you always go to, usually day game... or just a mall you frequent this is crucial so you know were most or all of the stores are....(for example the...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Ratata]

Apropos direct... I used to be extremely direct during night game, either qualifying on being adventurous, or simply asking straight "Would you like to go on an adventure?" I call this The Adventure Opener, and it's highly dependent on your state. At first I was really surprised by just how many women were actually up for going with me lol. The real challenge starts when you've made out with her, and you're now on the street and she suddenly realizes "Oh shit, I'm going home with this guy now!" Might do a write-up on this, but I digress.

These days, I mostly do social game or do daygame though, with daygame taking up a solid second where it's something I'll not actively go out to do, but instead something I always do wherever I go. And daygame is a very different beast to nigth game imho.

In daygame I definitively favour indirect, going off IOIs or even approach invitations, i.e. she smiles at you when you look at her, and stuff like that. Again something that comes straight off your inner state. Smile to the world, and the world will smile back and bs like that... This mostly due to the venues I do daygame in, often public transportation - and if you go super direct there, and she rejects you, and you then have to sit there like adummy for 10 more minutes, it can get awfully awkward lol...

Anyway. When I started doing this I'd make it a mission to see how many women you can get to give you IOIs or approach invitations simply by being friendly and smily and winky whereever I went. These days that's not so important to me, but it is a tool I still use.

However, once the set is hooked, it can escalate quite quickly. These days I usually safe it by getting the number, but back when I was more experimental, I got some pretty wild results by acting out my inner Don Juan...

That's when I'd experiment by throwing the worst, most overly romantic (which is of course also super direct) bs I could come up with. Like perhaps lines directly from the movie Don Juan De Marco or similar. I've tried that multiple times btw and ... man if you get the delivery of that shit, watch their panties drop lolol! Women will just start giggling, and... Once there, you can even just start making out with her tbh. I've made out with women in the strangest locations due to this, like two minutes after meeting her, due to these things, usually around parks. Never in malls though. That's still on my bucket list...

After the hook, you'll ask humdrum questions like "what do you do", and when she does you the favour back and asks what you do, that's when you can experiment with hitting her with movie lines such as "I please women........" As a joke, obviously. But a very good joke!

Another good answer is "I'm an ... artist". Brief pause for drama. Wait for her face to ligth up or for her to giggle, then go in close, caress her hair and say something truly dumb like "You're so beautiful, I'd like to paint you..." Then start making out with her. This is all stuff I've done, btw. You've gotta be in a truly IDGAF attitude, and truly into the role you're playing (the super-direct romantic Don Juan). I can NOT guarantee that this will work for YOU, but it did work for me.

I've never tried starting a daygame interaction with direct, though, but turning the volume to 11 after the hook has worked very well for me in the past. She's got friends? Lag behind them. Make out quickly, or certainly go for a quick kiss, and then wait for her to ask for your number, or for her to invite you along. You know you've got her once she's begging you to come along lol.

I feel I need to warn people from using this nilly willy, however. If you aren't in the right head-space (the right state as it were), and if you're the least bit needy, and not like a happy dog just roaming the streets merrily sniffing crotches, then it's not gonna work for you. In fact, always be ready to throw the "Lol I was just joking!" or "No srsly I work as a garbage collector and rent a room from my brother". If you want to experiment with wild shit like this, make sure you have a good out before trying it. Otherwise, have fun!

 

[Warped Mindless]

Thinking in terms of direct versus indirect is overly limiting in my experience.

And when you start looking at openers through the lens of direct or indirect, you’re also severely limiting yourself as well.

The best type of opener would be one that is emotionally relevant to her and makes her actually want to invest into conversing with you further.

You could run up and tell her she’s cute, but that doesn’t necessarily mean she wants to talk with you further especially if she does it initially like your look and overall vibe right off the bat.

You could also go up and ask her for directions or her opinion on something random but neither of those things are really gonna make her care about talking with you further and less of course she just happens to really like your look and vibe right off the bat.

I’ll make a full post about this and flush it out further when I have a bit more time but essentially you want open in a way that is emotionally relevant to her and makes her want to actually put in some effort to continue the interaction past whatever the opener was.

She doesn’t know you and she doesn’t care about you so don’t make your opener about you.

A couple ways to make an opener emotionally relevant that tends to work out pretty well is to make it about her or something involving the situation that you are both currently in and where it would be socially inappropriate or rude of hernot to respond to you.

And when it comes to openers about her, the best thing you can do is make her intrigued or curious.

I’m actually heading to bed, but I will make a post about this and flesh out the concept further because I’m seeing a lot of people not understand how limiting the whole concept of direct versus indirect truly is.

 

[Ratata]

The best type of opener would be one that is emotionally relevant to her and makes her actually want to invest into conversing with you further.

You could run up and tell her she’s cute, but that doesn’t necessarily mean she wants to talk with you further especially if she does it initially like your look and overall vibe right off the bat.

You could also go up and ask her for directions or her opinion on something random but neither of those things are really gonna make her care about talking with you further and less of course she just happens to really like your look and vibe right off the bat.

This resonated with me.

Short story: I arrive at a busy train station somewhere in Sweden. I need to find some bus stop, and I ask around. I finally get to somewhere that I think might be the right place, but I'm still not sure. So, I review my options. Go back. Nah. Ask someone on the premises? Yes! But who? That old lady, that guy who seems to have everything covered or ... that super hot woman over there?

Haha. trick question! It's gonna be the hot woman! Obviously! But even so I wasn't even planning on hitting on her. I just wanted to "enjoy the sights" as it were... While getting the info I needed.

So I go over and just ask her a bunch of really mundane questions, like the lost tourist I am. At first she's like "Oh, this guy is speaking to moi?" But then out of the blue she starts giggling and blushing, and I think "Wait, is she into me? Omg!" So, what started as the most mundane bunch of "find out where the f am I" suddenly dives straight into sexual tension overload territory. I had a really hard time not getting a boner, pun not intended.

Long story short, I ask her a few questions, and she asks some things back, and we decide to continue the conversation over text. She lives in another country, so the chance of ever seeing her again is pretty slim, but that's not the point of this story. The point of this story is that even such a mundane "not approach" approach can suddenly escalate in the most wonderfully sexual thing. And then they will practically force you to take their number.