Do Women Have It Better Than Men?

[shaneawi]

I met up with a group of friends and a few of their freinds the other day at a Hooters Restaurant. I'm in my late 20's with a good professional career and a happy life. I saw a twenty six year old Domincan waitress with a great body and approached her. I ran a pretty good set. She brought up her boyfriend and I attempted to get her number anyway (most girls have another guy in their life) but ultimately the set didn't go anywhere. I brushed it off and asked the guys if he'd like to go meet some other girls in the Casino we were at.

One of the guys in our group made the argument that the attractive woman has it better than the attractive man. He said that even though this Domincan waitress only makes $24,000 a year, she can sleep with any guy she wants pretty much whereas the average high value guy with a professional career, in shape, fun to be around can get rejection after rejection despite his good qualities.

I made the argument that most of these girls he thinks are "hot" have a lot of problems. A lot of them are struggling to find enough time to work just to pay their bills and give their two kids a decent life. A lot of them have boyfriends that are complete losers, many have no time to travel and her average day is actually pretty boring compared to what most guys think.

Does the hot girl really have it better?

 

[Straza]

Have you seen this article?

https://www.girlschase.com/content/who-h ... n-or-women

 

[NealIRC]

Hot girls have it better than hot guys, better than ugly guys, who have it better than uglier girls.

So while hot women have it better than hot men, uglier women have it worse than ugly guys.

Should average out to the same.

 

[ResentMasculinity]

depends on what way you look at it, but in the mating game, sure, because how often have you ever heard of a woman who is over 30 and never had a boyfriend before compared to a guy over 30 who has never had a girlfriend before? Duh!!!

 

[Drck]

Agreed, it depends how you look at it and what we are comparing. Couple points:

* As far as dating goes, 'average' woman has it much easier than 'average' man. Men got to go out, put their balls on a plate, face rejections, and get rejected many times even if they are good in seduction. For men it many times boils do to simple math - the more exposure to different women the higher chances to get laid. In this sense women have it easier, they are in denial mode by default because many guys show interest in them. She can chose whoever she wants, and usually she gets what she wants because the guy wants to get laid. If the woman is smart she has it even easier, she will simply go for the highest bid available, highest value guy, and she could win it with ease. All she has to do is throw some sweetness around, couple cute vibes, and say yes to a date. Women have it much easier

* As far as age, men have it much better. Men can be successful with women from their teens to all they way who knows, 70 years old? If you are cool dude at 70 you can still get 20-30 year old woman. On the other hand, women are limited by age. Everybody wants her when she is 15-30, then she starts hitting the wall. She hits 40, and most men will lose interest and go for younger girls. Men have it much easier

* Women need men to survive, very few would survive without men. This is more than clear in open nature, most women would not survive for long without hunting skills, physical strenght and so forth. Most men, on the other hand, would survive. This is even clear in today's society, virtually everything we have in society was built and created by men - buildings, roads, armies, police force, heavy mashinery, infrastructure, computers, farms, politics, philosophy, space shuttles, you name it. Women didn't do these things. There is no such thing as equality. Equality my ass! If men stopped doing all these things for women, there would be sudden increase in demand for men. Every 'average' guy would be showered by attention from many women, the tables would turn around. That is why I keep saying: stop doing things for women. The more you do and the more you protect them, the more you are being screwed. They don't appreciate it, they take it for granted, and they give you nothing in in return. Nothing! You as a normal guy have it quite difficult to get and keep one woman. Men have it much easier to survive, women have it much easier to get "stuff" and support from society

* Career, jobs - most men have it easier to excell. I don't honestly care if women want to be equal to men, go for it, but why do they want it at first place? Jobs are hard, climbing ladders is hard, running business is hard, competing with others is hard. If I were woman I would find some great provider, have 2-3 kids, stay home, cook some food and clean here and there - and have a nice life. Sip tea the whole morning, watch shows all day, spent 30 minutes on treadmil daily - and let men suffer. Again, I don't care if women want great careers and independence, but IMO it is much smarter to simply stay home, take a good care of your hubby and you'll have fairly easy life. If I were really smart woman - why would I want to be equal to men, why would I want to compete with men? I would have to be insane. Men have it easier in achieving things, ambicious women are just dummies. WHATEVER

* Divorce, alimony, child support... They say it is equal, but it is not. Men get usually screwed, everybody feels sorry for that poor and innocent woman, which many times is not the case...

 

[trashKENNUT]

shaneawi,

THANK YOU. Recently Girlschase has some SUPER EXCITING topics and variables appearing. Brings back the SEXCITEMENT!

He said that even though this Domincan waitress only makes $24,000 a year, she can sleep with any guy she wants pretty much

No.....

It sounds exciting but the truth is, it is not. Sidenote, i am going to bring this up to Chase on how we 'do Trump' in our daily lifes. What do i mean by 'do Trump'?

Recognize how we 'do trump' below

1)most guys
2)most girls
3)any guy she wants
4)Zac can sleep with any girl he wants
5)Society is ought to control me

and so on.

Truth is society operates from themselves. Truth is most guys and most girls is a term and it is advertising.

Here is the answer y0u want. Do Girls Can Get Any Guy They Want? Nope. Here's your answer below

1)High level guys have bigger fish to fry
2)High level guys are not as high level
3)Low self esteem or precisely dunning kruger/doubt
4)Too much of an asshole
5)Too much dependent on money

and so on.

I lost many "high level" girls due to 3.

When your fundamentals are tight and you have super beautiful girls find you interesting despite the dressing down, it's hard to find it truthful though technically you still have to approach.

A lot of them have boyfriends that are complete losers, many have no time to travel and her average day is actually pretty boring compared to what most guys think.

Oh yes, i cannot tell you the diverse stories available that i noted. I try not to go full fucktard on information because that will scare people and i do not want to toot my own horn, But i expect women backlash on society, due to the village (society) not giving them what they want or too horrible the conditions today

Just like how Trump won the forgotten man and women.........

Zac

 

[ResentMasculinity]

Agreed, it depends how you look at it and what we are comparing. Couple points:

* As far as dating goes, 'average' woman has it much easier than 'average' man. Men got to go out, put their balls on a plate, face rejections, and get rejected many times even if they are good in seduction. For men it many times boils do to simple math - the more exposure to different women the higher chances to get laid. In this sense women have it easier, they are in denial mode by default because many guys show interest in them. She can chose whoever she wants, and usually she gets what she wants because the guy wants to get laid. If the woman is smart she has it even easier, she will simply go for the highest bid available, highest value guy, and she could win it with ease. All she has to do is throw some sweetness around, couple cute vibes, and say yes to a date. Women have it much easier

* As far as age, men have it much better. Men can be successful with women from their teens to all they way who knows, 70 years old? If you are cool dude at 70 you can still get 20-30 year old woman. On the other hand, women are limited by age. Everybody wants her when she is 15-30, then she starts hitting the wall. She hits 40, and most men will lose interest and go for younger girls. Men have it much easier

* Women need men to survive, very few would survive without men. This is more than clear in open nature, most women would not survive for long without hunting skills, physical strenght and so forth. Most men, on the other hand, would survive. This is even clear in today's society, virtually everything we have in society was built and created by men - buildings, roads, armies, police force, heavy mashinery, infrastructure, computers, farms, politics, philosophy, space shuttles, you name it. Women didn't do these things. There is no such thing as equality. Equality my ass! If men stopped doing all these things for women, there would be sudden increase in demand for men. Every 'average' guy would be showered by attention from many women, the tables would turn around. That is why I keep saying: stop doing things for women. The more you do and the more you protect them, the more you are being screwed. They don't appreciate it, they take it for granted, and they give you nothing in in return. Nothing! You as a normal guy have it quite difficult to get and keep one woman. Men have it much easier to survive, women have it much easier to get "stuff" and support from society

* Career, jobs - most men have it easier to excell. I don't honestly care if women want to be equal to men, go for it, but why do they want it at first place? Jobs are hard, climbing ladders is hard, running business is hard, competing with others is hard. If I were woman I would find some great provider, have 2-3 kids, stay home, cook some food and clean here and there - and have a nice life. Sip tea the whole morning, watch shows all day, spent 30 minutes on treadmil daily - and let men suffer. Again, I don't care if women want great careers and independence, but IMO it is much smarter to simply stay home, take a good care of your hubby and you'll have fairly easy life. If I were really smart woman - why would I want to be equal to men, why would I want to compete with men? I would have to be insane. Men have it easier in achieving things, ambicious women are just dummies. WHATEVER

* Divorce, alimony, child support... They say it is equal, but it is not. Men get usually screwed, everybody feels sorry for that poor and innocent woman, which many times is not the case...

I got this quote, statement from a youtube video, I mainly agree with the last part of the quote:

"Also girls have it easier when learning to interact with the opposite sex successfully because guys approach girls. It's the masculine role to initiate. So girls learn fairly young the basics even if they do nothing."

Ya for a while and I still do wonder, how does a girl need to learn how to get a date or get a boyfriend when she doesn't have to be the one making the moves, initiate or escalate anything? since she is being passive, and when you are passive, it sounds like you don't really learn anything, because you have to "do" in order to learn something, apply it.

But I remember I got a response from a dating coach a few years ago, when I asked him that same question, he responded by saying "that's a very good question, she needs to know how to screen a guy", he was going to explain more but sadly got interrupted and didn't get to finish.

 

[Drck]

Imagine you were pretty good looking girl, big boobs, long hair, friendly, say 18-20 years old. Most guys ranging from ages say 13 to 60 would show great interest in you. I mean virtually everybody except gays.

Some guys approach you. You know they are more aggressive, bolder, maybe more experienced and less shy.

Some guys are just looking at you, you look back, they get red in their face, look down or away. You know they are shy.

You talk to some of these guys, show that you are friendly. They all get excited and they all start asking you for your number. You already know that when you give them phone number they will start texting you, they will ask you for your FB name, they will keep bugging you and bugging you for date... You are so predictable... Exciting - yet so boring, she already knows the story before you figure out what to text her in sexy way...

Some guys look really sexy, sexy walks, sexy looks, sexy talks, sexy texts... But are they really sexy or just bulshiting you? So you test them. Say you start talking about sex, or start touching him. Maybe say that you want to see him at your place. But what does he do, how does he react? Some pull away, start making excuses. Ok, you know that they are just BS, fakers, shy guys. Others try to vibe with you, but you just feel they are having hard time. Ok, they just pretend to be sexy, they are trying hard, but they don't really have much experience with girls...

Maybe you want to know what the guy thinks about relationships, so you start talking about your friend who is in relationship. What does he say? How does he react? One guy starts talking how great LTR are, that he wants to have children and great family, that he is working hard on his career... Ok, great, but you are 18, at this time you don't want to get married. Next!

Another guy looks really interesting, but you know from your girlfriends that he just wants to get laid and then he will most likely dump you. Are you gonna sleep with him? Maybe, if nobody else finds out, you want to try it too. But he talks too much, he brags about how great he is. You can't risk your reputation. Next!

This guy is rather interesting. He looks sexy, many girls seem to really like him, but he's not really hitting on you in sexual way. You start talking to him, he seems friendly and can talk back with ease. He doesn't stare at you, but rather looks in your eyes with deep, warm and calm look. He is not shy but is he experienced with girls? Is he just a fuck boy? He wouldn't say, it seems that he had some girlfriends but he doesn't talk about them. Does he like sex? Of course he does, but he doesn't get overexcited when you talk about it, he's just cool. He is comfortable touching you, he doesn't make a big deal out of it? You text him with excitement for the next 2 hours, then text couple more times. He replies like everybody else, cool conversations, interesting topics. Ok, cool. So you cut texting and see what he's going to do. Is he going to freak out, start texting like crazy trying to find out what happened? He doesn't react to it, he doesn't text back for the whole week. So does he care at all, or he just doesn't give a damn about you? Is he seing other girls? You are clueless, you have no idea, it is so exciting to find out. When you see him next time it seems that he didn't even notice, he just remains laid back but is happy to see you again. This guy is rather mysterious, you just can't figure him out. What is his deal? Why doesn't he chase you like everybody else? So you offer date for tomorrow. He doesn't have time tomorrow, but could definitely see you in 6 days. Not 7 days, not 5 days, but 6. WTF is wrong with him?? Does he even want sex? What else in his life is so important that he doesn't have time for you? You just got to find your more, and more, this guys is just totally different than other guys, he's not trying to get to your panties at all... Right, lol

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I mean, I could go on and on, there is thousands of scenarios just like that, but you get the point. If everybody is after you it is very easy to screen them out, every little thing they do or say you can interpret with accuracy, and if you are not sure you can throw couple tests to see how they reacts. For example, you want to know if he is looking for LTR, so you say you are looking for BF (even though you are not). So he starts salivating, starts proving himself to you as a great and faithful guy... You know right away what he wants. Or you find out that he broke up with many girlfriends. You also know right away that he is not the best material for LTR... Every little thing, evey little clue can tell the whole picture about you...

I personally believe that girls are very skilled at this, they pick up very fast on everything. They see through you very fast, they already know what you want, you don't really have to tell them - they don't want to know!

Now compare with average 18-20 year old guy. Goes out, gets rejected. Vibes with girl, finds balls to ask for number - she never replies to his sexy text. He gets one date, never hears from her again, but sees her next week with another guy. What a disaster, it will take him months to get out of it. So he works out hard, studies hard, starts making good salary - and still, no interest from girls. Out of frustration, he finally discovers GC, and now he realizes that he still didn't do enough. He is not even a beginner yet. Now he has to learn how to seduce girls. He's got to go out and face even more rejections. He's got to learn how to vibe, how to talk, how to make more friends whit people he really doesn't care about. How to look cool, how to text cool, how to dress cool, how to walk cool. How to play some game, which seems totally unnatural, weird. He virtually has to do everything the opposite way to taste the success. Sure, lots of it is exciting because you can finally have some success, but for the next couple of years, depending on his skills, he will still face lots of failures...

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When you look at it objectively, guys do 90% if not more. Girls don't move a finger, they do hardly 10%.

Personally I don't believe this is a good ratio, it shouldn't be that way. Guys are working too hard for very little reward. Girls do nothing and they get it all. That is why I say your sperm is cheap no matter how good seducer you are, they can dump you any time they want and replace you anyway. That is why I say stop with all that nonsense - DO LESS, NOT MORE. The harder you work, the cheaper your ass is...

Love women, but don't give a damn about them...

 

[ResentMasculinity]

I also got this response from somewhere: "that's a huge generalization to make. society certainly has
different expectations for men vs. women, but there's no point in
worrying about who it's "worse" for. A better mindset is to take
responsibility for every part of your own life."

that's another thing I dislike, women don't have to accept and take responsibility for their lives as much as men do, if women abstain from taking, accepting responsibility, nobody really cares or more people help them, but if you are a guy, you are pretty much on your own for the most part, life, society, labels guys weak and inferior if we don't accept or take responsibility.

 

[ResentMasculinity]

I remember reading somewhere, one of the major reasons why women are able to toss off accepting and taking responsibility for the lives but men not really, is that society provides a bunch of safety nets for women while none for men.

 

[Richard]

People fail to understand that women put in a shit of time (an entire life) to accomplish their highest goal; to settle down with a strong man and reproduce.

That's a woman's highest responsibility and it took me a long time (and the help of some extremely knowledgeable friends) to finally accept this reality. So, if you're comparing the "perceived" role of a woman with the "perception" you have of men and how they contribute then, of course, you're going to think that women are doing "less." Society NEEDS women to reproduce so it's going to gear itself towards aiding them in accomplishing that and because, in actuality, "ANY" sperm will get the job done there's no need to focus on men.

Anyway, as I said, women spend their entire lives trying to fulfill that ultimate goal and guy's fail to realize this something fierce. This is why you have to put the time in to becoming your own man, as well. Life is definitely fair, in this regard.

-Richard

 

[ResentMasculinity]

People fail to understand that women put in a shit of time (an entire life) to accomplish their highest goal; to settle down with a strong man and reproduce.

That's a woman's highest responsibility and it took me a long time (and the help of some extremely knowledgeable friends) to finally accept this reality. So, if you're comparing the "perceived" role of a woman with the "perception" you have of men and how they contribute then, of course, you're going to think that women are doing "less." Society NEEDS women to reproduce so it's going to gear itself towards aiding them in accomplishing that and because, in actuality, "ANY" sperm will get the job done there's no need to focus on men.

Anyway, as I said, women spend their entire lives trying to fulfill that ultimate goal and guy's fail to realize this something fierce. This is why you have to put the time in to becoming your own man, as well. Life is definitely fair, in this regard.

-Richard

they have limited number of eggs while we have abundant sperm, so I guess it makes sense as to why they are passive in the mating game, and something rare is more valuable than something that is common, hence why women are far less likely than men are to end up as a virgin at 30+ years of age or never had a relationship before.

 

[readjusting]

Seriously.
We have the 60% women 40% men ratio in university, thanks to the feminist policy.
I'm more grateful for the extra girls, though.

 

[lostnumber]

A man will never have to grow a human child inside of him and then push it out of his vagina.

For that reason, I conclude that women do not have it better than men.

 

[Big Daddy]

People fail to understand that women put in a shit of time (an entire life) to accomplish their highest goal; to settle down with a strong man and reproduce.

I'm curious; how would argue with women that this is their highest goal in life? I'm sure that if I tried I'd get lots of shit.

I ask because this is one example of many possible declarations that you can make to a girl that is true, yet they will give you shit about it.

 

[Richard]

People fail to understand that women put in a shit of time (an entire life) to accomplish their highest goal; to settle down with a strong man and reproduce.

I'm curious; how would argue with women that this is their highest goal in life? I'm sure that if I tried I'd get lots of shit.

I ask because this is one example of many possible declarations that you can make to a girl that is true, yet they will give you shit about it.

You don't argue it, haha.

If I know the winning lottery numbers I don't try to convince someone that the numbers are legit; I just play the numbers and win.

Take the information and use it implicitly. Let's say I told you the magic phrase to get in a girls pants was "Jenga towers are hippo homes" and it was absolutely true; you wouldn't go out and say "Hey, if I said to you 'Jenga towers are hippo homes' would you fuck me?"

Make sense?

-Richard

 

[Drck]

Richard: “People fail to understand that women put in a shit of time (an entire life) to accomplish their highest goal; to settle down with a strong man and reproduce“

Not exactly sure what does that mean “strong man”....? Obviously you don’t mean strong man in physical sense only, but rather suggesting dominance (I’m only assuming)....?

If that’s the case I have to disagree, there are lots of strong men (in a sense of dominance), yet the women are not really trying to accomplish their highest goal to settle down and reproduce. Many times it comes down to that woman has a child with that kind of man, and then she moves on and ends up being single monther (while getting financial support from that guy).

I’ve noticed another trend, many pretty girls are married (settled down) to classical Nice Guys.These guys are not really that dominant at all, they are just simply friendly and outgoing guys. These guys (if I could describe my impression) are decent looking, they don’t have any special accomplishments, they don’t have to be lawyers or doctors (top of social ladder), they are not what we describe here as leading, they are not mysterious travelers either... They are simply nice guys, average working men, they have normal jobs, drink beer.... They get married, have children (which I consider settling down)...


Honestly I don’t know how to explain it because it goes even against my own believe (and against what you are writing here), but my theory is that the girl ends up with this kind of guy because she simply has a power over him...


I’ve also noticed that this kind of guy (classical Nice Guy) can be quite successful with sleeping with pretty girls, I’ve described one of them here in the past. Honestly there is nothing unusual on him, decent looking, rather silly, there is just no way to describe him as dominant in any way, or “strong” physically, mentally or otherwise. His only game (as far as I can say) is that all he does is talk about sex and is very friendly. This guy is able to get the hottest chicks, he probably averages one girl per week....

 

[Richard]

Drck,

I'm not sure what we disagree on here.

Women try to lock down the highest quality guy that they feel they can reasonably expect to hold on to. The average girl might love to have a kid with somebody like Muhammad Ali but, inevitably, understands that she doesn't have what it takes to make him monogamous so either a) they take a wild shot and throw themselves at him or b) pick a more realistic partner.

Also, what type of guy is most attractive is highly personal and subjective to each woman. GirlsChase focuses on developing characteristics that are more universally attractive (calm under fire, for example) but that doesn't mean we are MOST attractive to every woman alive. I'm attractive to a lot of women because I have universally attractive characteristics that I display day-by-day but I'm by no-means every woman's first choice. Some women might find me absolutely appalling as a partner/potential mate/etc. while other women will do everything they can to lock me down. So, yes, women are not trying to accomplish that goal with just any guy, unless her clock is ticking and she's really desperate to find a mate/partner/spouse.

The trend you talked about definitely exists; women typically end up with classical nice guys for a variety of reasons. Sometimes they feel that is the best guy they can lock down, sometimes their clock is ticking and that was their best option, sometimes their families/society says that's the guy she should be with, etc.

That average guy you're talking about who is friendly and talks about sex is actually very attractive to most women; in another thread I talked about how I try to abstain from using the words dominant or alpha because I think they're terrible terms to use because they conjure about ludicrous images most of the time. Anyway, a guy that can openly talk about sex and comes off as warm and friendly is displaying a lot of traits that are "dominant or alpha" which is why I try to not use those terms.

The thing to take away are that women are always after a better option (which is why they don't just reproduce with a man because he is "strong" or "dominant") which is why they're masters at keeping guys around with as minimal effort as possible. The more suitable a candidate the girl determines the guy to be the more she's going to do to keep him around; if the average 8 was fucking a guy like Ryan Reynolds do you think she would put in the same effort to keep him around as she would a typical Nice Guy?

Last bit; yes, women seek to break men in relationships because it provides them with more security. It's not uncommon for a girl to marry the average Nice Guy, get pregnant by a more "dominant" or "alpha" guy and then convince the Nice Guy he's the father or something along those lines. So, I guess the other take away here is that women are after the strongest man possible who is within her wheelhouse to keep around.

-Richard

 

[Drck]

We don’t really disagree, I guess we just see the same thing under different light ...

 

[Rain]

Last bit; yes, women seek to break men in relationships because it provides them with more security. It's not uncommon for a girl to marry the average Nice Guy, get pregnant by a more "dominant" or "alpha" guy and then convince the Nice Guy he's the father or something along those lines. So, I guess the other take away here is that women are after the strongest man possible who is within her wheelhouse to keep around.

-Richard

How do you prevent this? Do women give nice guys fake IOI and that's how they get married and/or do they still sleep with the nice guy after marriage and at the same time as with the "dominant or alpha" guy?

I'm not sure if I needed much "game", along with lack of fundamentals, to sleep with the women who seemed to genuinely like me from the get go. So am wondering now if I'm a bit of a nice guy, or if it's a coincidence and I went through a lot of rejections to meet just a handful of women that by chance, liked me in my current state?