Does Money and Status become a significant factor when in 30s or 40s for attracting women

[Searcher]

Charisma and game helps a lot to get laid even when broke. Given many examples on the forums by members.

however when in your 30s, 40s or beyond wound having a normal 9-5 job and not being rich(millionaire) be seen as unattractive, given that most people expect older men to be successful.
And will one be seen as an average or failed guy in such cases by women compared to younger men who are starting their careers and have more years to obtain success.

 

[HoofHearted]

Past a certain point you have to stop thinking about this in terms of women

If you're in your 30s, 40s ot 50s working a shitty job you hate and have no money... what exactly have you been doing with your time on this earth?

 

[Old man winter]

I seem to remember seeing studies on this topic, something about how women go through different phases. If they are pregnant, for example, they are less attracted to the bodybuilder, and more attracted to the dad-bod with cash. But if they are looking to *get* pregnant it's the opposite.

They mentally put us into boxes. Fuck, marry, kill. Which box do you want to be in?

A younger chick just looking for a fun time? Being rich will work against you. But in that case your competition will be younger, fitter guys. So I hope you keep in shape, or at least have enough of a silver tongue to beat them. Not impossible, the game is just different and you need to adapt.

 

[Searcher]

Past a certain point you have to stop thinking about this in terms of women

If you're in your 30s, 40s ot 50s working a shitty job you hate and have no money... what exactly have you been doing with your time on this earth?

You didn't understand the question.

I am talking about being older with a 9-5 job but not being a millionaire (which there are few).
didn't say anything on hating the job.

The next time clarify something before taking every opportunity to be negative and off-putting.
and stop responding to my posts hereafter.

 

[Skills]

Charisma and game helps a lot to get laid even when broke. Given many examples on the forums by members.

however when in your 30s, 40s or beyond wound having a normal 9-5 job and not being rich(millionaire) be seen as unattractive, given that most people expect older men to be successful.
And will one be seen as an average or failed guy in such cases by women compared to younger men who are starting their careers and have more years to obtain success.

There are ways around this, but you better have good game and fundamentals... and you need to be able to buy time around keeping things vague till girl is massevely invested... but most of the problems are actually self savotage in other words guys that already sold themselves that this can not be done so this become a self fulldilling prophesy in interactions.... then you have guys that are not in 30, 40, 50 in this type of scenarios kjing is this same post in different versions every few months i already wrote how you can get around this a million times from actual experience....

 

[Zoro]

I think game can do a lot.

What ends up being a limiting factor when broke is logistics, your lifestyle, your own financial freedom. And those things have an impact on your game overall.

And will one be seen as an average or failed guy in such cases by women compared to younger men who are starting their careers and have more years to obtain success.

What's the difference between a "failure" and a broke guy who's enjoying life? One is a downer to be around and the other has some spark that he can share with women.

If you've got some spunk and spirit, you can make the back seat of your car a fun adventure. If you're a downer, your penthouse apartment won't save you.

That being said, if you've got spunk and a high rise, (or at least some control over your logistics) then obviously you've got the best of both worlds.

So what I'm saying here is: Frame over finances.

 

[Will_V]

but most of the problems are actually self savotage in other words guys that already sold themselves that this can not be done so this become a self fulldilling prophesy in interactions

Word. The problem is not age, but self-perception. Most problems in seduction are related to doubting oneself and swallowing unwanted frames that one believes are impossible to change or oppose. Feeling old, like feeling ugly or short or whatever, is one of those frames that people carry around and wear like a shackle without even realizing that they put it on themselves.

The currency of broke seduction is vitality, joie de vivre, pizzazz, whatever you want to call it. There is nothing more repulsive than a man who feels old before his time, whose mind bends his back before gravity does, who stands in front of a young woman yet looks at her as if she's a hundred miles and a thousand years away.

For such men, even money cannot do anything to create real sexual attraction from women, because it cannot halt the decay of their minds. Only they can revitalize themselves by finding the lust for life that they lost.
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The difference between an older man and a younger man in the eyes of a woman is that she expects the older man to be more experienced and more developed. That does not necessarily mean money (though money is great, and an indicator of career development at least). But certainly his sexual experience, his worldliness and ability to deal with the world in general, his preferences and interests are expected to be more developed. He is expected to be more at ease with himself, more firm in saying yes or no, and living life on his terms. Whatever those terms are.

But what makes a man special to women at this age (at least the ones who aren't looking for a retirement plan) is that he has all these things plus the vitality and exuberance of his more youthful self. His inner 'boy', optimistic and ready to go after anything that captures his imagination, has survived. Unfortunately, for most men this boy hardly survives into the thirties, let alone beyond, crushed by the 'unopposable' frames of society that dictate that the time for him to enjoy those things are gone, and that he is now simply an old cow getting put to pasture and milked for the rest of his years.

 

[Rakehell]

Past a certain point you have to stop thinking about this in terms of women

If you're in your 30s, 40s ot 50s working a shitty job you hate and have no money... what exactly have you been doing with your time on this earth?

This post has a nasty flavor to it dude. If you wanna posture about your position in life say it in plain english.

Coming from someone in their 20s.

 

[HoofHearted]

This post has a nasty flavor to it dude. If you wanna posture about your position in life say it in plain english.

Coming from someone in their 20s.

It's a completely valid question. It's understandable if it's touched a few nerves, but nonetheless.

Disregarding OP's original post, to which the answer is painfully obvious: clearly 'working a 9-5 job' (or not being a 'millionaire') isn't so significantly unattractive as to stop the men who do from forming romantic relationships with women, regardless of their age. Demonstrable from experience.

You can have nothing materially going on and still have sex with women. This forum is famous for living with mama and banging chicks. My heroes.

The discussion almost immediately generated the more interesting realm of thinking 'how a person's lifestyle affects women' versus 'how a person's lifestyle affects themselves.'

The connotations of a 9-5 job are blue collar, unskilled labor. Neither salaried, nor billable, nor project based. If you are working such a job, and you're over say age 30, 'why' is a valid question. "I like my job" is a valid answer, and I hope it's the one the hypothetical person can give, but is a bit outside of the connotation of '9-5' and comparatively rare.

Conversely, if you are in rut in your 30s and your life is shite, and you're wondering where all the women are, the question answers itself. And being older, you've had time to allow this situation to obtain. Time did pass, and this might be what everybody gets mad about.

A little impetus in life, be it career based or passion based, would probably resolve these issues without even really thinking about it.

 

[ulrich]

Nahhh. At your 40s, if you’re not a millionaire, chances are the men she knows aren’t millionaires either.

More success will be required from you the further you date from your own age.
But being relatively successful (relatively here meaning in comparison to other men she can realistically date) is more than enough.

You can date a sexy waiter, model or actress at almost any income level (pro tip: most of them make little money).

 

[Will_V]

@HoofHearted you seem like a smart dude with a flair for the english language, but some of your comments in various threads come off a little aggressive and pushy. Nobody likes to get someone's opinion like a smack on the face when they put something out there - there's twitter for that.

This forum is famous for living with mama and banging chicks. My heroes.

Is it? The general advice here is to get your own place with good logistics as one of the first things to start getting women.

The connotations of a 9-5 job are blue collar, unskilled labor. Neither salaried, nor billable, nor project based. If you are working such a job, and you're over say age 30, 'why' is a valid question. "I like my job" is a valid answer, and I hope it's the one the hypothetical person can give, but is a bit outside of the connotation of '9-5' and comparatively rare.
Conversely, if you are in rut in your 30s and your life is shite, and you're wondering where all the women are, the question answers itself. And being older, you've had time to allow this situation to obtain. Time did pass, and this might be what everybody gets mad about.

This frame seems to conflate happiness and wealth, which is not always the way things work. A lot of guys are very happy with unskilled labor - they enjoy various aspects of the job such as the comraderie that aren't related to the money. And here in australia at least, the 'tradie' is something I've noticed a lot of foreign girls having a special attraction to. When they've told me how they think tradies are hot (especially latin women for some reason), I don't think they were talking about whether the hours they worked were billable or not. That might come up for a woman looking for a husband though.

A little impetus in life, be it career based or passion based, would probably resolve these issues without even really thinking about it.

This is good advice, and I think it gets at the core of what a man is expected to have later in life - fulfillment of his desires. A man who sacrifices his career for a passion of some kind - for example a writer, or a 'spiritual teacher', or an adventurer, or whatever floats his boat - can still get women as long as he truly feels actuated by his lifestyle and occupation.

This goes back to the concept of emulation - what young people fear, and middle aged people often experience, is that life 'ends' in some crucial way soon after adulthood, loses its passion and lustre. When someone appears to have overcome this dreaded obstacle, though they may not be rich, they can be very attractive to women of all ages.

 

[HoofHearted]

@HoofHearted you seem like a smart dude with a flair for the english language, but some of your comments in various threads come off a little aggressive and pushy. Nobody likes to get someone's opinion like a smack on the face when they put something out there - there's twitter for that.

Patronizing and diminishing-- there's substance to the ideas I express, if time is taken to understand them.

This frame seems to conflate happiness and wealth, which is not always the way things work. A lot of guys are very happy with unskilled labor - they enjoy various aspects of the job such as the comraderie that aren't related to the money.

Let's not misunderstand, 'wealth' is not the presentation in this argument but rather the byproduct. You would be more just to say 'drive' and 'happiness' were being conflated, or the fulfilling of human potential... the implication being, a '9-5 job' is what you get if you don't strive for other things, if you do the bare minimums to function. It is also something you can choose. In either case, a good question might be 'why'?

This is good advice, and I think it gets at the core of what a man is expected to have later in life - fulfillment of his desires.

Well, knowing ultimately it's all a 'chasing after the wind,' maybe the real element at play is a quality; a quality of a man who will rise in some fashion, and will not sit still in inefficacy. Who does things because 'to do things' is in his nature.

 

[Will_V]

Patronizing and diminishing-- there's substance to the ideas I express, if time is taken to understand them.

How is it patronizing and diminishing? I didn't say anything about whether your comments had substance or not.

Anyway, take it as you will, just letting you know because there's been a couple of reports on your comments over the last few months and I think you can do better. And that's not meant to be a patronizing statement.

 

[Warped Mindless]

Attraction is built upon emotions. You don’t need money to push the right emotional buttons.

Plenty of broke players in their 30s and 40s out fucking attractive women and not caring about money.

 

[orkie123]

Money and status opens up easier opportunities. Game and skill captures those opportunities.

If you have less wealth or status, you have it harder but not impossible to find opportunities. Say for example, girls that are open to dating older guys might look for them in the "VIP/table service" section in a club and if you have the money and status to know everyone in the club, the opportunities will come easier for you. However, if you cold approach that same girl on the street and she likes your vibe and you do your game well, she's less likely to care about your money or status.

A person with a lot of wealth and status may get ridiculous amounts of opportunities, but if his game is really weak, they will either lose those opportunities, unable to keep the women long term, or get taken advantage of - trading money/status for gf/sex.

 

[Skills]

This post has a nasty flavor to it dude. If you wanna posture about your position in life say it in plain english.

Coming from someone in their 20s.

correct this is exactly what i try to explain in my post 0 experience on the subject matter preaching in a seduction forum about lifestyle without 0 experience on the particular op subject....

This is a seduction forum not a lifestyle or red pill forum.... We are here to learn how to seduce women without relying on money, looks, status....

Nobody is saying no to get all those things is water is wet, obviously people may be able as red pilllers say to get some results with having all of them, but a seducer can get those things without relying on them, whole point of seduction.....

poster ask how can i get women with a blue collar job at are older age???

dude preaching about lifestyle kjing 0 experience on the matter preaching water is wet shit!

op read this post:

How guys with no money typically get laid and get girlfriends....

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[Police dog]

however when in your 30s, 40s or beyond wound having a normal 9-5 job and not being rich(millionaire) be seen as unattractive, given that most people expect older men to be successful.

Oh boy, I work in tech and there are so many people cashing in 200-400k usd every year working 9-5, so thinking that 9-5 is automatically unattractive and unsuccessful is ridiculous. You don’t even have to live in Silicon Valley/Bay Area for this, Seattle and NYC have comparable salaries for big tech. Also, there have been numerous studies that pleasure from money can be represented as a logarithmic function - change in lifestyle by jumping from 1k per month to 10k is huge, from 10 to 20 - not so much. Same as switching from public transportation to a brand new toyota feels amazing but from a brand new Toyota Camry to a brand new Audi A6 in top configuration - not so much even though it’s twice as expensive. And 10k net per month is already like top 3% of individual income, one has to be really detached from reality to assume that this is not successful or attractive, even if you live in some very expensive city.

 

[Chase]

@Sully,

however when in your 30s, 40s or beyond wound having a normal 9-5 job and not being rich(millionaire) be seen as unattractive, given that most people expect older men to be successful.
And will one be seen as an average or failed guy in such cases by women compared to younger men who are starting their careers and have more years to obtain success.

Your definitions aren't well-defined here.

Does a "normal 9-to-5 job and not being rich (millionaire)" include the 50-something guy making $60K/year who owns a $400K condominium after he divorced with his ex-wife and she took the kids, house, and collects on child-support payments? Or does that mean something more like a 50-something guy, renting an apartment, managing a gas station in the morning and afternoon shift?

A lot of this is dependent on the girl. If she's a 45-year-old in upper management at a Fortune 500 company, neither the condominium-owner nor the gas station manager will be on her level socioeconomically. If she's a broke 36-year-old stripper aging out of the business looking for a man to cling to, either one might cut it. If she's a 21-year-old out for fun and she meets either guy at a nightclub, she might not even bother to ask the guy what he does before hooking up with him, assuming he is attractive in other ways (in-shape, charming, well-dressed, energetic, etc.).

The other thing not well defined is "attractive for what?"

FWB? LTR? Marriage? Or just a fling?

Yeah, sure, every girl wants to net a richer guy as a husband. The richer the better, all other things being equal. But there are other things she wants, too (all other things won't be equal), and if Jim has more of those than Bill, but Bill has more money, it's no guarantee Bill's fatter bank account will win out over Jim's other desirable qualities.

When it comes to short-term / hookups, the role money or career plays gets even hazier.

Conspicuous consumption helps. A 'successful identity' helps. But the actual nature of the guy's career or the actual numbers in his bank account often don't.

If all this is vague, the only thing I can say is... ask a vague question, get a vague reply

Chase

 

[Police dog]

But the actual nature of the guy's career or the actual numbers in his bank account often don't.

A bit off topic but you probably remember that - wasn’t there a “trick” in early 2000s used by some pua that allegedly if you put 100 euros/usd bill into your pocket you feel more alpha and it helps to attract girls?

 

[Chase]

A bit off topic but you probably remember that - wasn’t there a “trick” in early 2000s used by some pua that allegedly if you put 100 euros/usd bill into your pocket you feel more alpha and it helps to attract girls?

Oh, was there one? I might've missed that one... but there were so many things guys were testing out then, I wouldn't be surprised.

Those heady early days of PUA innovation and experimentation!

(the one thing I did remember was this martial arts guy who walked all through the hood with a $100 bill sticking out of his back pocket to 'prove' that if you knew you were a badass and walked like a badass no one would mess with you... and I guess no one did... but I was never really convinced by that... I have been through some tough hoods, alone, both by day and night, and not encountered problems... which doesn't mean you won't ever have any; it's just not the case that "every single time you step into the hood you have problems." One unmolested tour through the ghetto does not 'proof' make... now, if he did that every day for a month, and no one stepped to him the entire time, then we'd be talking...! Anyway, I guess that's besides the point)