Does the knowledge that you canʼt pleasure a woman rub off on approaches?

ThePhoenix

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I had a bit of a vibe, but then I lost it.

Going from pretty near zero, I only had to do about 61 cold approaches, mostly day game, in order to get laid, which happened this time last year. There were also two other dates from those approaches that I expect probably couldʼve led to lays if handled better.

That seemed like fairly encouraging numbers, except for the fact that those approaches took a damn year to accumulate, due to a combination of shitty demographics and approach anxiety. (And probably some lack of motivation to go out to a mall to wander around for hours for only 1 or 2 approaches; approaching is fun, but that fun is diminished greatly when it means having to wade through a sea of non‑black girls and then chicken out on most of the black girls I do see.)

So, my ratio of successful approaches didnʼt look all that bad, if I could just up the number of approaches. But then, something happened.

The lay was a catatrophic failure due to a deadly combination of genital mutilation, performance anxiety, and other factors, as described in some depth here. Iʼd had a similar failure on my only prior lay, although in that case my lack of arousal was easily justified. There had also been a couple way, way prior more marginal sexual encounters in which I had again not been physically aroused, in those cases in part due to oneitides (they werenʼt the chicks Iʼd been devoted to). Well, this basically meant that my only sexual encounters had all been failures.

Rather ominously, my ratios after the lay seem to have changed way for the worse. In the 61 approaches before it, my expectation to at least get a number close (dead or alive) from an approach was about 1 in 5. Well, in the 28 approaches Iʼve done after the lay, Iʼve gotten zero number closes. In that number of approaches, my expectation based on pre-lay stats would have been to get about 5 or 6 number closes!

Itʼs like getting laid and then blowing it actually damaged my ability to seduce women!

Is it likely that on some unconscious level my doubts that Iʼll be able to satisfy a woman sexually are being projected into my behavior in a way that is perceptible to women, leading to an absolute failure to attract them?

I mean, Iʼm sure Iʼll be able to satisfy women eventually, but any given woman Iʼm talking to? Probably not.

And Iʼm thinking that may be creating a terrible catch‑22 in which I have lost the very means to fix the problem, because of the problem.

One thing I did do was to get myself a prescription for PrEP (pre-exposure prophylaxis against HIV — a very small risk but one that may be slightly larger for me because I gravitate towards girls from Africa; shout‑out to @Ree for giving me the idea), HPV shots, and contraceptive sponges, with the intention to try to fuck my next chick raw, since I feel condoms were contributing to my problems. Iʼve been really looking forward to fucking a chick raw! Iʼd figured that might give me more sexual energy towards them, but that doesnʼt seem to be playing out in the numbers right now.

(It does make me a little more picky about the women Iʼll hit on, since the pregnancy risk is higher.)

An alternative explanation for my now being unable to get closes, is that this past year I have been approaching even less than in the prior year; only about 28 approaches versus 61 in the prior year. So maybe Iʼm a little more rusty and have less momentum on a larger scale, even though actually I think Iʼve been doing more approaches per outing than before. Since thereʼs more time between outings, maybe shit isnʼt sticking in my head as much.

Iʼve actually been thinking about trying to find an escort I can get along with, to try to build some confidence and satisfaction in the sex act itself and hopefully have that rub off on my approaches. I actually think that could help me a lot. Iʼve already clean seduced a decently attractive chick half my age without spending a penny on her, so I donʼt think itʼd wreck my head. But there are some problems. I canʼt fuck her raw unless I can find one willing to go do STI screening together. (Actually, Iʼd be more comfortable fucking one raw right after a negative HSV test, than fucking one with a condom and no test, since condoms donʼt fully stop herpes!) And thereʼs also a female sexuality issue which I have asked about separately here.

I still think I should go back to my Africa plans. Increasing the number of women around me Iʼm interested in by a factor of ten can only do good things. Way more approaches. Way more at ease during approaches because Iʼm talking to so many that I can truly stop caring what happens with one. I thought of a way I might be able to make the kinda-sorta “move” less disruptive to my lifestyle; might post about that later.


DISCLAIMERS: Getting STI screenings with an escort, or any woman for that matter, is not a complete assurance that you wonʼt catch an STI from her. Obviously, if she has sex with someone else in the meantime — and this is very likely with an escort — then you could still catch something. Furthermore, most STIs have a “window period” right after initial infection, during which tests will come back negative, but she is infected; in fact, for some infections, including HIV and herpes, a person is highly contagious during the window period. This is why clinics normally advise spaced out repeat testing on top of mutual monogamy prior to unprotected sex. An additional complication is that HSV serum tests are often not administered in the course of routine STI screening, meaning that they will not pick up asymptomatic herpes, but there can still be viral shedding which can still cause an infection. In my case, Iʼd pay the extra to have that test done. Also keep in mind that Iʼd also be using PrEP, to minimize the chances of contracting HIV even if she is HIV infected. All considered, this approach would lessen my chances of contracting anything from the girl, but not eliminate them by any means. I am aware of this. Iʼm at a point in my life where I have accepted that I need to tolerate a certain amount of risk, in various domains, in order to fully enjoy life, because Iʼm not going to live forever anyway. Each individual needs to (i) understand his or her risks, and then (ii) decide the balance between risks and rewards that suits their own life priorities. Iʼm also not one to look at another human being as a virus trashbin, regardless of what her occupation might be, or for that matter what continent or ethnic group she comes from. Basically all STIs are at least usually treatable, and the majority are curable. With all that said I am obviously open to solutions that donʼt involve fucking with escorts!
 

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the answer to your question is yes. creeps out thru your body language
 

Cody Lyans

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YES IT RUBS OFF, but not in the way you are thinking. A woman doesn't know if you can pleasure her or else they'd be throwing themselves into my boat while I am sick, with terrible pics on tinder and allll that. No they can ONLY TELL THROUGH YOUR VIBE AND HOW YOU PLAY WITH THEM or other cute girls

Don't do prostitutes for your first time that's weak shit, just balls up and try hard with a girl u have good chemistry with
It's the thought that counts mate, the effort

Doooon't think it's about mechanical experience. Fuck that tetris sex shit. No it's about fuckalisciousness and creating that fucking vavavoooom, that chemistry
 

ThePhoenix

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Hey guys, thank you for the replies!

I do have to think thereʼs going to be unconscious “tells” as @fog suggests. Poker players often wear shades on similar reasoning. Why donʼt they just monitor their body language instead? Probably because itʼs extremely hard to do!

Body language is a largely unconscious process. Just like balancing while riding a bike. Itʼs not like you consciously think to yourself, “Iʼm tilting 7.2° too far to the left, so Iʼm going to rotate my torso 9.7° left and contract my right external obliques by 27% to transfer my center of gravity 8.3 cm to the right.” Fuck, imagine having to ride a bike by typing those numbers into a keypad in front of you, in real‑time? Thereʼs no way in Hell Iʼd be able to do that!!!

Thatʼs partly why Iʼve never put that much attention into some of the more real‑time “fundamentals”, preferring instead to just gain the experience that will make me convey sexiness naturally. I think that actually worked to a degree when I made my first lay from day game. I think part of the reason she was attracted to me was that I made her think to herself, “he must do this a lot” — in turn suggesting preselection. You know how I got her to think that? By doing it a lot! I have no fucking clue how else I wouldʼve been able to make her think I do it a lot.

Now, body language is driven by emotions, not facts, and I think this may be what @Cody Lyans was trying to get at — correct me if Iʼm wrong. The poker playerʼs body language is not related to the fact itself that he just got dealt pocket aces, or that the turn didnʼt give him his flush. Itʼs instead a consequence of his being excited that he got the pocket aces, or worried because he missed his flush.

So, the simple fact that Iʼve been having sexual problems is not going to cause any sort of “tell”. What is going to cause the tell is my feeling insecure over it.

That leads me back to the cornerstone of seduction: abundance, abundance, abundance! Well, for me, that translates to the old real estate adage: location, location, location!

Iʼm not presently living in the best place to be hellbent on only hitting on black girls. Well, itʼs not the worst either, but at 10%, itʼs still a problem. Iʼve found that itʼs not that hard to seduce girls from day game, but it does require some volume, and, between the 10% thing and approach anxiety, I have a lot of trouble with volume. The effect of this is that, if Iʼm talking to a girl, the reality is that, if I get her home but screw up the sex completely, itʼs likely to be months before I get another girl home. That canʼt possibly be good for my confidence!

In reflecting, I really think this problem would largely go away in Africa. Sooooo many cute black girls there, give me a week at most and Iʼm absolutely sure Iʼll have another one at home. So if I happen to have sexual problems with this one? Oh, well, no big deal, walk outside and talk to 20 more tomorrow. And thereʼs a good chance that one or two of those could be ones Iʼll feel that “fucking vavavoooom chemistry” towards, too!

Fuck, I really need to stop trying to game chicks in this country and redirect my energies towards moving. Do me a favor and any time I ask a question from now on, if it doesnʼt relate to moving, then just ask me, “Are you living in Uganda yet?”


Donʼt do prostitutes for your first time thatʼs weak shit
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Doooonʼt think itʼs about mechanical experience.
Just to reiterate, it would NOT be my first time. I have actually seduced a chick fully, i.e, she allowed (no — encouraged!) penile vaginal penetration.

And unfortunately, there is still a physical aspect to it, because my hardware and software were collectively damaged greatly by genital mutilation and resultant loss of sensation and damage to erectile reflexes, years of abstinence, and performance anxiety. It is going to take some mechanical experience to overcome that stuff.

But I do see what youʼre saying. I would really much rather solve this problem by surrounding myself with African cuties who I want to take home and devour like a wild animal, than by dumping money like a beta male on some weave-wearing chick who almost guaranteed has herpes, lol.
 

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Prostitution is often hollow and devoid of excitement, mostly cuz many of the chicks just are out to money grub for some other gross reason. It is not something that you want to attach to your earliest understanding of sex.
Sex should be about energy
Meaning.. It should feel bubbliscious, exciting, and a whole body sparking wow festival.
That is sex,
Not vaginas and penis colliding.

The whole reason you feel bad and want to fix it was cuz your first half attempt blew up, dw my first 5 blew up until I could actually see what was possible.

It's about maximizing the feelings and chemistry
Through creating a powerful feedback loop of both of you enjoying the back n forth

Newbs tend to do their DUTY rather than drag a woman deep into pleasure WITH HIM

here is an example of how I did it recently. A girl was out of place in a local dive bar so I came up and said "ha u came direct from work, what are you avoiding at home" she was like "oh just wanna grab a drink before I go back", plain words but I was looking at her without flinching.
A song was on that was a bit sexual "can you sing?" her "only when I am home alone", "soooo say if I was there u would be too shy to sing for me"
"I am pretty bad haha so probably"
"Ok can u dance"
"yeah! I am good at it"
"ooooh.. U know..." stroking her hand and hovering in close to her and then back
Squeezing her hand
"would u dance for me in your best lingerie if I was your man" said with a whisper and with a stone cold unflinching face (was me actually asking for real)
"if it got to that you bet I would, you are my man after all"
"their is something about you that is just drawing me in"
"you too, I think you are hot"
"I want to just #@$% you and lick and mmph, grrr" whispered in a low growl in her ear. Her hand tightens around mine, we both feel uncomfortable in the bar, we wanna move it forward
"fresh air?"
"yeah!" she quickly responded

I only was that aggressive because I was creating PLEASURE, and amplifying the feeling that was already there. You can't be that direct or whatever normally or it's fn crazy, buuuut, when their is a feedback loop and the question is, how can we heighten this, the girl feels it harder when you take lead and twist and pull and tease as man.
I was calibrating it was to what she could handle... But the goal was to make her and I sizzle so fn hard the room became small and too loud for us.

It should not be a duty. It should be a a bubble of energy.
Dont seek good sex, help build and make better the bubble moments you have with girls

This is how you get better
Prostitutes are the opposite direction of what you should be thinking, and you really should sense by instinct that hiring pros is a weak move and a step backwards
Trust me, sex is not a duty and getting better at it is not a logical mechanical process, it is in the battle of the mind, and the energy of the body
 
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ThePhoenix

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@Cody Lyans -

I feel what youʼre saying, man, about the energy. When thereʼs that crazy wild mutual desire and the sex becomes an expression of that passion!! Yes, totally, thatʼs what I need to aim for, and yeah, “pros” are absolutely in the opposite direction of that.

Your response makes me think even more, fuck I need to move.

Cuz, call me stubborn or closed-minded or whatever, but for me, ever since teens, itʼs been like, in the window of my perception, an African girl (or to a lesser extent other black girl) will light a firecracker, while anything else struggles to shine even a penlight.

The single most awesome thing I could possibly do to realize the energy you speak of would be to relocate to where theyʼre abundant enough that the outcome of any given approach or date or lay will truly not matter, and I can actually enjoy the process for what itʼs worth instead of spinning my wheels trying to optimize against a low‑volume pipeline. And where I can also a bit more than occasionally run into those most exquisitely beautiful South  Sudanese, who I only find here about one per year! South  Sudanese cuties are for me a just totally off the scale type passion!

So, back to my plans to set shit up so I can spend most of my time in Kampala. That got put aside for a while, but really, any other game-related avenue is just gonna end in burnout. I can see that now.

Thank you for helping me restore some clarity of direction!

Phoenix
 

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@Cody Lyans -

I feel what youʼre saying, man, about the energy. When thereʼs that crazy wild mutual desire and the sex becomes an expression of that passion!! Yes, totally, thatʼs what I need to aim for, and yeah, “pros” are absolutely in the opposite direction of that.

Your response makes me think even more, fuck I need to move.

Cuz, call me stubborn or closed-minded or whatever, but for me, ever since teens, itʼs been like, in the window of my perception, an African girl (or to a lesser extent other black girl) will light a firecracker, while anything else struggles to shine even a penlight.

The single most awesome thing I could possibly do to realize the energy you speak of would be to relocate to where theyʼre abundant enough that the outcome of any given approach or date or lay will truly not matter, and I can actually enjoy the process for what itʼs worth instead of spinning my wheels trying to optimize against a low‑volume pipeline. And where I can also a bit more than occasionally run into those most exquisitely beautiful South  Sudanese, who I only find here about one per year! South  Sudanese cuties are for me a just totally off the scale type passion!

So, back to my plans to set shit up so I can spend most of my time in Kampala. That got put aside for a while, but really, any other game-related avenue is just gonna end in burnout. I can see that now.

Thank you for helping me restore some clarity of direction!

Phoenix
Yeah man definitely go to where the girls u like are
 
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