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Lushie

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Was hanging out with my friends, we're a big and crazy group of maybe 10ish people. We're heading home from the fireworks and hopped into our train. I noticed a lone girl (who i found out was with her grandma and little sister across from her) sitting by herself. My friends took the seats behind her which i was gonna take, but looking back i'm glad they took it. So that pushed me to sit next to her, and during this decision making, she made some glances at me as if she was getting ready to make room for me. I looked at her and opened:
Me: hey can i sit here?
HBCostaRica: yeah sure *moved her bag away from the seat next to her so i can take it*

After a few moments later i looked back at my friends and noticed how we're all crowding around her. And i started thinking about how awkward it would be for her to be surrounded by us and be disengaged during the whole ride. So I opened a conversation.

Me: hi, so what's your name?
HBCostaRica: HBCostaRica!
Me: ah, did you just came back from the fireworks?
HBCostaRica: yeah i did, did you?!
Me: Yeah blah blah---

From here i can't remember how it went so I'll just highlight the interactions. We got into the basics starting with where we're from. I reminded myself to keep it a "solving a puzzle" experience by asking her to guess. She said LA (lool we're on the east coast and I've never been near the west) and I ask her how she came up with that. She said it's because of how i dress, my vibe, and my friends. So then i asked about her and she mentioned she's not from the US but she's from Costa Rica and is visiting her grandma who lives here. Funny enough, they're staying at a place that's probably a 10min drive from where i live. So i mentioned that. Then i teased and said "hmm maybe i might ask for your number but i have to check if you're a cool person first" and she was all giggly and stuff. Then randomly her eyes lit up and decided to ask for my zodiac sign (what's up with girls and zodiacs lmao), she took like idk 6-8 guesses until she said my zodiac, virgo. She started qualifying me a lot, saying how she loves virgos and thinks i'm a cool virgo. At some point she was like "oh wait i didn't ask for your name?" i gave her my name and she just repeated it as if she was in awed by it lol. Though while doing this, I went for a handshake and tried to test her by not letting go and seeing if she'll hold. She shook my hand and we kept it for like a second and she let go first. Maybe that was uncalibrated of me or she didn't feel comfortable doing that while my friends are watching.

Number grab:
Later on i went into hobbies and she mentioned reading and how she likes to read history but was a bit embarrassed to tell me that because everyone else thinks it's lame or something. I took this opportunity to "other" myself from the rest and qualify(or compliment?) her for reading history and how not many people do it. And how it's great she's taking the time to understand how things unfolded and why things are the way they are now. Then we got into how she likes to do art but is bad at it and so i decided to show her some of my art work. I pulled up my phone and showed her some of my digital painting. She was so surprised and her eyes lit up, she begin to motion her hands to grab my phone but then said:

HBCostaRica: Wait can i touch it?
Me: No you can't
HBCostaRica: oh okay *awkward and startled look*
Me: *turn off the app and then pull up the keypad to punch a phone number. Hand it to her*
Me: But you can touch this
HBCostaRica: *eyes lit up* omg really?!

Then she mentioned how she doesn't have a US number so i asked if she has whatsapp and she does and she was surprised that i had it lol. So i pulled up my whatsapp gave it to her to punch in her number. I asked what's her last name, but she said she didn't want to tell me haha. I tried guessing it by asking first if it's a typical latino last name but she said it wasn't, so i didn't attempt to tease and guess. She punched in her number and took a screenshot saying how her phone sometimes doesn't pick up in the subway, so she wanted me to wait until later. Later on i did some more teases saying how i was never going to text her. Saying stuff like "yeah in the next 30mins i'm not gonna text you" and "yeah we're just not gonna see each other again". She was thrown off by that and was like "oh wooow fine".

More banter and seeding a date:
So at some point we were talking about favorite latino food and she was telling me "please don't say tacos" lol so i said something like "pupusas... chipotle (lol)". And she was like "oh i love chipotle!" and then randomly asked me "wait do you get the white rice or brown rice?" i said white and she was disappointed in me lmaooo. Then I stated that she was judging me and she tried hard to defend herself and say she wasn't, and then she asked if i was judging her and then i said yeah. Started disqualifying her and how she's not as cool as i thought. Of course teasingly so she knows I'm not serious. Then we chatted more and at some point she suggested we get chipotle together. Wow seeding the date before me, love it.

Kino & Body language:
We had a lot of physical touches here and there. Whenever she laughed or made a joke, I would touch her knee or place my hand on her lap. She would also nudge closer to me with her shoulders. I learned about how when crossing your legs (was it girls chase? idk), the side that the leg is pointing to suggest your comfortable and open on that side. So i crossed my leg and had it pointing towards her and she did the same. We also were facing each other pretty close whenever we were talking. I made an effort to always keep good eye-contact with her and she did the same. At some point, we both had our masks on but she took out her lipstick and uncovered her mask. I should've taken this as an opportunity to chase frame because clearly she wanted to show me her face or lips but i couldn't think/react quick enough. Also i didn't have my head/attention towards her while she was doing it. But overall good kino.

Eventually i had to get off my stop so i said my goodbyes and gave her a huge while she was sitting and i was standing. Albeit it was kinda unnatural, maybe i should've hugged her while sitting. But oh well, i enjoyed that interaction. Though I think I'm slowly going to loose grasp on her with the date things if I continue the way I'm texting her.
 
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Lushie

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Text Convo:

Me: hola it's Lushie the virgo : )

HBCostaRica: hola, it's HBCostaRica the sagittarius : )

Me: lol got home safely?

HBCostaRica: yess i just ate, what about you?

Me: same did a quick mcdonald run, btw how close do you live to ________ ?

HBCostaRica: like 10 mins walking
HBCostaRica: I had mcdonald today
HBCostaRica: mcdonalds* lol

Me: wow so close, this is fate ;)
Me: but wait, what sauce you put on your chipotle? (She was testing me with whether i put white rice or brown rice so I wanted to return a test of my own to try and thread a disqualifying/tease later on.)

HBCostaRica: yes :))
HBCostaRica: you guess
HBCostaRica: good morning btw

Me: buenos dias and hmm red salsa and guac

HBCostaRica: I do add guac
HBCostaRica: but I also chilli pepper
HBCostaRica: wait hold on I think i'm going back to ___________ (the name of the city where we were watching fireworks) today.

Me: oh really? ask abuela if i can tag along
Me: lol jk

HBCostaRica: jajaajaj
HBCostaRica: in the metro
HBCostaRica: *shock sticker face*
HBCostaRica: jk jk (imagine that we meet again)

Me: lmao maybe not in the metro but we'll meet again *blush happy face*
Me: just gotta know what your schedules like this week

HBCostaRica: :((
HBCostaRica: yk it would be fun if we meet in the metro again
HBCostaRica: yesss I'll tell u asap

Me: lol meet in the metro and go on a date, we'll enjoy ourselves while watching the trains go by (i was aiming for a sarcastic tone because I didn't think the idea of us randomly meeting at the metro again was "fun" or something I would see myself doing since I rarely take the metro. I was thinking maybe I could've responded something like "you know you're very lucky you ran into me considering I never or rarely ever take the metro. Consider yourself a lucky girl ;)")

HBCostaRica: so funn
HBCostaRica: today i will go to (college town in that city) : o
HBCostaRica: r u hanging out with you're friends today? (Here i'm thinking is she asking me this so she could possibly plan a spontaneous hangout today?)

Me: yeah? send pics of the trip
Me: i might play soccer with some other friends (Here I said "might" because I thought she might wanted to plan a spontaneous hang out so I figured I should try to appear somewhat but not too available)

HBCostaRica: sure!!
HBCostaRica: not mines tho i'm ugly lmao (she's not ugly, i felt like she was baiting a compliment out of me. I read somewhere about how you shouldn't be predictable so I decided to dodge the bait and not throw a compliment)
HBCostaRica: that's great

Me: ugly? struggling with some self-esteem i see
Me: that's okay, that'll change when you're out with me. (Here instead of throwing a compliment I tried suggesting well if she hanged out with me I would make her feel great about herself since I would throw in compliments during our date. I wanted to take this route to suggest anticipation for what it would be like going on a date and hopefully increase the chances we go out)

HBCostaRica: really
HBCostaRica: *sends pic of her feet walking to the metro* just got at the metro
HBCostaRica: Lol not a good picture

So, she still hasn't sent me her availability and I'm starting to realize I'm not executing the law of least effort. I read an article from Ricardus about saying that you need to be minimalist and here I'm definitly not doing that. I think I'm thinking way too hard and trying too hard to be flirty. However, how do I push or ask for her schedule AGAIN without coming across to needy?
 

Skills

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So, she still hasn't sent me her availability and I'm starting to realize I'm not executing the law of least effort. I read an article from Ricardus about saying that you need to be minimalist and here I'm definitly not doing that. I think I'm thinking way too hard and trying too hard to be flirty. However, how do I push or ask for her schedule AGAIN without coming across to needy?

After soft closing a million times, you went back to banter and banter instead of hard closing... she is obviously interested green... you are beating around the bush too much... Also you lack any type of sexual flirtiness...

Soft close her: do you like wine, or tacos, or fireworks??? or fill in the blank __________

wait for a yes, of whatever she is interested in....

then you say: You should come split a bottle of wine with me, or had tacos or _________ in our romantic date or romantic balcony etc...

wait for her to respond...

how does your schedule looks like....

whatever she say 7:00 pm or whatever .... Say uhmm i can squeze your in at 7:30 so it is no so agreeable...


drop useless boring threads about food and sauces... Or if you are going to do those boring threads make them interested "i have been told i am an appetizzer myself" and the likes...
 

Lushie

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After soft closing a million times, you went back to banter and banter instead of hard closing... she is obviously interested green... you are beating around the bush too much... Also you lack any type of sexual flirtiness...

Soft close her: do you like wine, or tacos, or fireworks??? or fill in the blank __________

wait for a yes, of whatever she is interested in....

then you say: You should come split a bottle of wine with me, or had tacos or _________ in our romantic date or romantic balcony etc...

wait for her to respond...

how does your schedule looks like....

whatever she say 7:00 pm or whatever .... Say uhmm i can squeze your in at 7:30 so it is no so agreeable...


drop useless boring threads about food and sauces... Or if you are going to do those boring threads make them interested "i have been told i am an appetizzer myself" and the likes...

Thanks Skills! Definitely need that
 

Lushie

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hey @Skills , thanks to your advice I'm finally making some progress now. Though I missed out on some sexual flirt opportunities and she seems to be uncertain about meeting.

3:03PM - Me: lol only one way to find out
3:04PM - Me: do you like wine, pizza, or still down for chipotle run?
3:05PM - HBCostaRica: chipotle is a good option yk
3:05PM - HBCostaRica: wait is you're turn to send a picture
3:05PM - HBCostaRica: then I'll go
3:05PM - HBCostaRica: something like this lol haha *referencing her pic of her feet walking to the metro*
3:17PM - Me: a pic of my feet? you got a feet fetish I see *send pic of my feet walking outside*
3:18PM - HBCostaRica: NO I DONT
3:18PM - HBCostaRica: stg
3:18PM - HBCostaRica: *sends another pic of her leg*
3:22PM - Me: hey it's okay, I don't judge lmao
3:22PM - Me: how are you wednesdays and fridays looking?
3:23PM - HBCostaRica: this is better look lol *sends another pic but deletes it later* (probably should've chase frame here with a sexual flirt)
3:23PM - HBCostaRica: Not sure tho I'm not sure if I'm going to NY
3:23PM - HBCostaRIca: wbu?
3:27PM - Me: this week is iffy, i'm only confident for those two days. evenings on both days maybe afternoon on friday too (not true, but figured i should try to put more pressure and plan it on my conditions)
3:43PM - HBCostaRica: alright, let me check and I'll tell you :))

It's been about two hours, should I just leave her on read and not respond until she tells me?
 

Skills

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hey @Skills , thanks to your advice I'm finally making some progress now. Though I missed out on some sexual flirt opportunities and she seems to be uncertain about meeting.



It's been about two hours, should I just leave her on read and not respond until she tells me?

no that is not how is done.......

- interact
- high point of interaction soft close
- if she bites then and only then you hard close.... You are all over the place, though your banter is ok...


3:03PM - Me: lol only one way to find out
3:04PM - Me: do you like wine, pizza, or still down for chipotle run?"

^ this was ok, "still down is a like mistake" cause is just curiosity pre soft close based on intelligence.... "do you like wine, pizza or chiplote? but these options are not options other than wine of lover type foods

3:05PM - HBCostaRica: chipotle is a good option yk

^ she bit...


"3:05PM - HBCostaRica: wait is you're turn to send a picture"

^ all along she keeps changing the topic and you comply... i will, give me a few, but first what do you say grabbing a nice burrito with a sexy vigo over a romantic picnic?

^ don't let her go all over the place with the convo dude, she is fucking with you, keep her on a straight line (clients love to do this in sales, you need to control the interaction)


3:05PM - HBCostaRica: then I'll go
3:05PM - HBCostaRica: something like this lol haha *referencing her pic of her feet walking to the metro*
3:17PM - Me: a pic of my feet? you got a feet fetish I see *send pic of my feet walking outside*
3:18PM - HBCostaRica: NO I DONT
3:18PM - HBCostaRica: stg
3:18PM - HBCostaRica: *sends another pic of her leg*
3:22PM - Me: hey it's okay, I don't judge lmao
3:22PM - Me: how are you wednesdays and fridays looking?
3:23PM - HBCostaRica: this is better look lol *sends another pic but deletes it later* (probably should've chase frame here with a sexual flirt)
3:23PM - HBCostaRica: Not sure tho I'm not sure if I'm going to NY
3:23PM - HBCostaRIca: wbu?
3:27PM - Me: this week is iffy, i'm only confident for those two days. evenings on both days maybe afternoon on friday too (not true, but figured i should try to put more pressure and plan it on my conditions)
3:43PM - HBCostaRica: alright, let me check and I'll tell you :))


^ this is just a block of bad executed texting going out of the blue with "how are your wenesday or friday looking" at off timing this is done at high point of interaction post soft close....but she despite this is interested and is going to meet you, i am just referencing for future higher odds... " the alright let me check and i tell you" is not ideal cause now you are there with your dick in your hands waiting, and she may get cold feet and stuff, it is better get logistic pre hard close...
 
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