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kristian said:
I see her and this time I decide to approach the right way. She did not send me any invitations but I liked her so I went straight up.

Me: (After pre-opening). I just saw you pass me by, (pause) and I had to tell you (pause) that I find you really cute.
She starts smiling and I transitioned from there asking her what she does. She tells me about her studies and her work. She then asks me what I do, and when I said I sing, she smiled warmly asking me even more. I reached the hook point.

And by this time. Just before I was going to give up she appeared. I was glad I ignored my feelings and approached her (after having several failed attempts through the day.

Me: So what are you up to now?
Her: Nothing special, actually. I'm just going to a store and look for some clothes (escalation window).
Me: Why don't we go and grab a coffee?
Her: I already had coffee. (test)
Me: A cup of tea then... Or a soda...
Her: (smiles, I passed the test) Where do you want me to take a coffee?
Me: There's a place nearby actually.

As I was walking with her she says she has a bf. I ignore this and start talking about the weather and so on. She asks me where I live and when I say Tøyen and try to get her there, she says it a little too long (bad logistics I guess). I was thinking I could move her later on. I buy her a coffee and find us a cozy couch and we start talking about music.

After a while, I start touching her arms. Her thighs. She doesn't move. She doesn't protest.

Her: So how often do you do this? (test)
Me: Do what?
Her: How often do you stop girls like this.
Me: So you think I am a player, huh?
Her: Maybe?
Me: I don't believe in Tinder or online dating. I do not go out at night-clubs. Do I do this every day? No, but when I am inspired and see someone I am attracted to I can start talking. You see, I love women. And when I saw you I just had to talk to you.
Her: (smiling)
Then her sister starts calling and as she was talking to her, I started touching her hands. The place was too crowded and light to just start kissing, so I figured out I could do it outside.

Me: let's go to my place.
Her: I cant. If I do we will end up having sex. I and my BF are trying to figure out things. I have to be honest with you. I like you, but I won't cheat on him.

Which is totally understandable...

After going to the bathroom, we walk outside. Hand in hand. I follow her to the store. Hold her tightly in my arms as I kiss her goodbye on her cheek. She said she loves how approachable I seem (I guess I am attainable) and how direct I am. I say I would love to check out on her in a couple of months. If she is single we could be lovers, I say. She smiles. Then I wave her goodbye.

All this in one hour.

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I think I needed this. Next time I would move a girl closer to my place and been more persistent. Other than that, I think I pushed myself out of my comfort zone :)

Did you end up with this womans contact details at all? eg if her and her bf don't work things out, maybe things could happen with you and her. But I'm not sure how you would go about that, eg ping once a month or something, that could also be annoying to her if she did patch things up with her bf, not sure if I have correct experience for this lol.
 

kristian

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Did you end up with this womans contact details at all? eg if her and her bf don't work things out, maybe things could happen with you and her. But I'm not sure how you would go about that, eg ping once a month or something, that could also be annoying to her if she did patch things up with her bf, not sure if I have correct experience for this lol.

Yes, I have her on Instagram and can always PM her when needed or when I feel inspired. I just feel that talking to new girls is more fruitful than trying to get a "taken" one.

And yes, I also have success with such girls. The Icelandic girl being a good example. I slow-gamed her with texts for one and a half year, we eventually became lovers for six months and I saved her from committing suicide, amongst other things (like having mindblowing sex, crazy acid trips, a crazy ex-boyfriend we had to hide from and so on).

She tried to make me monogamous several times in our six months period, but I knew I couldn't promise her that (I would cheat eventually and seeing how weak she was, I was afraid of totally destroying her). Walking away from her was a hard choice because, in my mind, she was perfect. But I set her free and she is now in a good relationship and our friendship is stronger than ever.

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Rain, you made me think about my past man. I became a little nostalgic about all this.
But hey! We have to look forward, don't we?
 

kristian

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So I was minding my own business as I was going out last Saturday when I spot a cutie looking my way. She smiles back so I did not have any option but to direct compliment her. I did this without pre-open (because she smiled as I pass her by) but deliver the pauses and see how excited she gets. Because it was cold outside and it looked like she was trying to find something, I started to talk about her situation.

Me: So what are you up for tonight? (also trying to find if she was available).
Her: I am looking for a place to eat, but since I am new in this town, I don't know where those are. (she already gave me something to deep dive about)
Me: I know a place just around the corner. Come with me and I'll follow you.

I made her invest as we were walking to the restaurant, start talking about her and what she does in Oslo. Then we sit for 15 minutes and deep dive a little bit more. I make sure I qualify her with phrases like: "wow, I like nerdy girls (referring to her studies)" and "It's nice to meet someone who loves being in nature (she's from out of town and just moved into the city)".

After that, I ask her: "Are you single?". This one is important, because if she agrees to meet you after answering yes, then she knows what the meeting will be about.

I follow her to a place where she agreed on meeting her friends and increased touch a little on our way there. Then we trade numbers and agree on meeting as I give her a hug. I also made sure to disappear before her friends appear (I just learned about being discrete).

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The next day I message her this:

Buenos dias Linn. I believe Youngstorget delivered as promised? I will send you a big hi from this girl (a picture of my cat). I hope your day is as chill as mine.

Messaging about how her plans went makes girls reply a lot more often. (So always ask what they are going to do as you leave, then you can resume and bring the cool feeling back).

She replies and I straight ask her if she down to meet up the upcoming Tuesday. She says yes and leaves it at that.

Me: That's awesome. What about meeting up at xxxyy-place around 19:00? I know a cozy place nearby I think you will like a lot. (This creates intrigue).

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Signs she likes you
So we meet up as I am a little late. I see her glad to see me and I move her a little around to make her follow my lead (order some food at one restaurant, then going to the cozy pub where we move to an even more intimate couch). As she was talking to me, I could see the following signs:

*Barely moving away as I touch her back.
*Letting me touch her arms and putting a finger on her thigh.
*She touches her neck and moves her hair from side to sign.
*She lets me touch her neck for three seconds.
*Dilated pupils


I recommend every guy to read about girls signs. If you see more than two of these, you know she likes you. Now, I have to wait for my chance to kiss.

We start talking about her brother and she becomes even more excited when I say that my birthday is January 10th. (because her brother has the same birthday).

Me: The cool thing about being a Capricorn (my zodiac sign) is that we are stubborn (start triangulating), try to reach the top, and go for what we want.

She starts triangulating back (looking at my eyes and lips) and then I kissed her. All this within 40 minutes. She goes to the bathroom.

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Closing and afterthoughts
Me: I live nearby (I say this before as well as I came late to implant the idea in her head). And I promised you to show you my music.

She says yes, but give me time contraints. She was also not keen on drinking more than one beer. I see some alarms here, but who cares. We should try ;)

As she walks in my room we start kissing. I start touching her breast, and kissing her nipples, then she moves away saying "I am too dangerous".

We lay down and I try again. She gives me a firm "no" (big sign). She starts telling me she hasn't had any ONS in some years, and that she doesn't know me yet and that I am "too dangerous for her" (lover vibe, I guess).

She continues talking about mundane things. I lift her up and put her on my bed (that's my special move, haha) and start kissing her again.
I try to take off her sweater, she still resists and says "no".

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So I had a dilemma here. Almost 50% of my lays are on the first date and ONSs, so I get the feeling when something is token resistance and when she actually resist. Then I proceed to just kiss her, tell her I like her and do the 2. option here: Date compression.


So guys, if you fail to escalate to sex, how possible is a date-compression? Half of the girls I tried to sleep with have come back, even after failed attempts. Please give me some insights here.

I follow her to the bus station and make her invest by telling her to message me when she is at home and safe. She does and I tell her I will message her in a couple of days.

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Alcman

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Tough luck, Kristian! Three thoughts: I think you should have persisted in your insistence and insisted in your persistence. I believe in the universality of Chase's law : If a girl agrees to go home with you, she wants sex. Another point: Chase always goes for pussy before boobs, to minimize LMR. It makes sense if you reflect upon it, and when I had trouble with that last girl of mine, I went for the boobs first. Thirdly: you should have whipped out your cock and put her hand on it. Forces her to leave or drop the act. It should be a law of seduction that you have to have your cock out sooner or later anytime you have pulled a girl. Girls love dicks as much as we love ass. Have you checked out the less well-known articles on California pimp?

https://www.girlschase.com/content/legend-california-pimp-part-i

The most memorable move of his is to put your finger into her mouth, put her hand on your dick, and ask her "what she is thinking about right now". I did that when I got laid, and will definitely do again; it's the dark side of psychology and funny as fuck :) The girl who does not blow you after that is not heterosexual...

Still, GGWP, man!
 

kristian

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Kristian, just take it easy. I know you feel a little underappreciated and that you're far from where you want to go. But if you think about it, you'll see that girls send you strong signals every time you go out.

*Like the girl who smiled at you when you passed her by.
*Or the one at the bus stop yesterday as you were leaving the bus. She was even a lot cuter than those two who "rejected" you prior to this happening.
*Or what about the cutie who smiled at you just as you left the bus on your way home?

I know it seems like you're the least attractive guy in the whole world, but if you backtrack, you'll see that girls want you every day. Just rest for a day or two and get back to the game. Its a lot of fun and you learn many things about yourself.
 

kristian

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Two things I got reminded of as I went out talking to girls today:

1. Always warm up and treat them as so.
2. Be in your body and breath in order to get out of your head.

The former makes you come more into the right state and it takes around three approaches to get there (sometimes only one, if its an approach that last a little). The latter makes me more comfortable and in my skin - and instead of just plowing through girls just to get somewhere, I can more easily emit my genuine interest in them.

So as I couldn't find anyone interesting I just talked to a tourist in the city center. She got scared and started walking away from me, it did not matter at all because I just saw her as a warmup and wasn't interested in her.

The second one was also a warm-up. We had a little talk, but she also went away.

Then, as I sat on some stairs in the sun, a girl sits around 10 meters from me. She looks my way so I knew she could be opened. We talk for a while I try to be a little sexual, but I find out she has a fiance and was soon going his way.

After that, I spot a girl or two looking at me. They were walking with their boyfriends and friends and I had to go somewhere to pee.

Then I see a sexy blonde changing sweater on the bus. Nice ass. Fine curves. I pre-open, give her a compliment and introduce myself. I notice she likes it, but keeps her distance and is a little short in her answers. However, she was complying (answering my questions, qualifying and so on).

I tell her I find her interesting and want to see her soon. I also ask if she is single.

Her: Yes I am, but I don't know if I can meet someone now as I just broke up with my bf this month (they were together for several years)
Me: I could just take you out for a coffee. Nothing serious and we could just chill (being a little sexual here).

I passed her test and she gave me her number.

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I haven't been here for a long time, mostly because I am dating Miss T and I find it a little more difficult to date and want to fuck other girls. However, she lets me meet other girls as long as my heart is hers.

But I love women. And I still feel like I want to share some of my time with other girls.

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The good thing is that I have better fundamentals and I am more turned on. The amount of signals I get compared to last year is insane. I think Ill just continue on my journey doing cold approach.
 

kristian

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So my fundamentals are good enough to get girls interested. I can get dates with more ease and make girls invest a lot more when I start conversations. I am also miles ahead of where I was when it comes to understanding girls signals.

*But I only seem to be able to seduce the youngest girls (19 - 21). Girls around my age seem difficult and/or want to boyfriend-zone me more often.
*I have some inner beliefs that are making me approach less than I should to get more dates.

The latter has mainly something to do with my fear of being rejected in public, I did not have that before, but now I am a lot more aware of people around.

Sexual drive

I am increasingly being horny out in public. So much that I skipped getting to work on time just to follow an ass that I wanted to inspect a little more.
When I work out, I usually open a set or two. Nothing fancy, but I just love to see women in tights, sweating their socks off and looking fantastic.
I often fantasize about girls I want to hook up with and can't seem to concentrate when I find a cute ass walking and I am in a conversation.

Other observations
Sometimes ignoring girls seem to work a lot better than trying to connect. Imagine going to a party and instead of walking right on with a girl that is sending you signals, you start ignoring her and flirting with other women, making you pre-selected. I tried this a couple of weeks ago and the results seem better than when I go for the kill right of the bat.

Thanks to my increased sexual appetite, night game seem more easy to understand (in some venues). The younger girls seem to love my vibe, but it can be hard to isolate when theyre with friends. I tried to introduce myself to them as well and it seems to work a lot better.

I also found out how a minor mistake can ruin an interaction. Like the German tourist I opened a week ago. "Okay Isabel. I see you soon, man" which she replies in shock with "did you just call me man"?

I fucked up so hard right then and there!

Now, let me meditate a little bit more every day. New lays are somewhere over that horizon.
 

kristian

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New insight, if its longer than five days until you schedule a meeting from the day talk for the first time, the chance of a girl not responding is quite big, especially coming from cold approaches.

I also did some of those today having a couple of blow-offs, but unlike before I persisted a little bit more only to become that annoying guy who "doesn't get it" (who said being ballsy would be easy?).

Other than that, I made an approach I was very proud of. On my way out to a friend, I spot a little cutie with the nicest ass I've seen in a long time. I followed my instincts, only to find out she had a bf. But she was extremely glad I took the chance and she even hooked that very minute we talked (her bus was coming).

If I am really inspired by a girl, my approaches seem to be better. When a girl is meh, she doesn't respond as well.... Interesting.

Let me go out and find more out tommorrow.
 

kristian

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Basics of approaching

So 2018 has been the year where taking girls out on dates seem to be pretty much effortless and it all comes to how I make transitions from the moment I set my eyes on her to where she agrees to go out on dates. Now I get dates consistently (2- 4 a month) and knowing that I can go out and come back with a pretty solid number in a couple of hours or so is quite rewarding. How do I do this? By giving Chases method my own little twist. Read below:

Warmups

Warmups are mandatory when I walk out. I can do this directly, by opening women on the streets with intent, or just be talkative with many people as I go through the day like talking to the cashier on my lunch break, saying hi to the bus driver, giving some money and smiling to a beggar and so on.

I usually do a combination of both because there are days I do not approach any women but want to be in a good state.

One good approach can make you more warmed up than 3 or 4 okay approaches, what I mean with that is the following.

Give compliments with pauses
*You walk behind the girl and touch her arm gently. Let her see you first and then you smile at her ( Read about pre opening here : https://www.girlschase.com/content/pre-opening.

*As you see her in the eyes just say the following. "Hi, I just saw you over there (PAUSE for 1 second). And I had to tell you (PAUSE for 1 second). That you are the cutest girl Ive seen today/this week/in a long time. Kristian is my name.

In Norway, where social circles are the main source of getting mates, girls can auto-reject as this is too "out there". If she seem tense or starts looking around, because some shy girls may still not believe what is happening, I say: "Did not mean to scare you or sound too forward, but I had to take the chance to talk to you". I usually smile and make her laugh a little.

*From then I transcition to mundane talks. "So what are you up to right now?" is a good question as I can see if she is down for an instant date or just try to build more connection. After this, girls usually ask me what I do and I always respond "musician" as this makes them a little exited. From there I also say "that I am trying to see if I can make it" just to not seem as pretencious.

I make sure to touch her in high points and turn the conversation to her, giving me the chance to qualify before I close.

*"Are you single?" This is something I always ask girls when I am out. If she is interested, she will say yes. Asking her relationship status will also make her understand why youre asking her out. We trade numbers, as I usually dont like to give out any social media (and if I do, I only give her my Instagram).

Texting
*I used not to get responses last year but thanks to asking more about her schedule that day before we trade numbers this has changed quite a lot. Now I seem to be interested in the girl as a person and they like that I want to know more about them.

I wait between two and four hours before sending the following message.

"Hey Gina, thanks for the talk today. That was so random.

So how did dancing classes/shopping spree/exams go?"
(if you managed to make a connection with her, knowing about her plans would be easy).

After this you can start having a little back and forth, nothing more than two messages or something. This makes her used to you connecting with her, and the transcition a little smoother. Then I text her this.

So Gina. I dont know how your schedule looks like the upcoming days, but I found you cute and I want to know you better. How about we take a glass or two one day after work? Let me know when youre free and we will figure something out.

And thats that.

In essence, asking the girls about her day, touching in high points (rewarding her) and the "are you single?"-approach makes her know whats going on.

Then thanking her for the convo and asking her about how xyz went in text makes her comfortable texting you. Then it gets easier to ask her out. You arent bullshitting her or pretending and the chances to getting friendzoned are very slim.

Something I could do differently?
Let me know what you guys think about this approach and what I can do differently. My main sticking point right now is being more sexual with girls since the only women that sleep with me are 19 - 21, while women from 25 to my age, usually want to take things slow. So maybe my game works better with younger girls? (I am 32 years old btw). If there are some aspects I could change, I will be more than willing to try that out.
 
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kristian said:
The amount of signals I get compared to last year is insane.

yo so do you think that the amount of girls giving you signals has increased? OR are you assuming attraction, and viewing more behaviours as signals? ....or both?

For me, it's definitely a mixture of both. Nowadays I view anything (besides a look of indifference) as an approach invitation. Like I can remember when I thought that when a girl looks at me for a split second longer than usual, its not a clear sign to talk to her. Or I thought that girls who look at me more than once, probably aren't attracted. Bunch of ridiculousness, really.

So i'm viewing more behaviours as invitations, but the intensity & amount of them has increased too. Some girls are not able to stop looking at me, and girls of higher quality are giving me approach invitations too. That wasn't happening this time last year.
 

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yo so do you think that the amount of girls giving you signals has increased? OR are you assuming attraction, and viewing more behaviors as signals? ....or both?

Good question. It might be both for the most part. Today I was looking at a girl as I sat on the bus, she was waiting for it on the other side and as I sat there, I smiled at her. She looked busy but we locked eyes. Then she looks at me in disgusts and say something like "yuck!". Before that, I thought her curiousity was interest. But she was disgusted at me for trying to flirt with her.

So most of the time "my assumption" is right. Because girls that I start talking to with this mindset are open to my openers.

Once a while of course, I am horribly wrong, but I guess thats a part of every game in life. To give us the opposite of what we take for granted just to make us greatfull for the flow we are in.

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Speaking of flow. I am just thinking, fuck it!

So as I am walking around from place to place, I make sure to talk to a girl or two. My state here is very important, though. So warm-ups and smiles are important to begin with.

I talked to several girls yesterday this way, a couple of them were happy I approached and I even managed to get one number (after seeing her looking down as I passed her by). We texted a little back and forth, but she wasnt giving me that much so no date this time.

As I am thinking back I am also seeing the following patterns.

*Girls are easier to talk to right after work. So around 16 to 20:00 is prime time to daygame.
*In the morning people try to get to work on time, so their minds are more on auti pilot.
*Women that are walking fast and/or looking at their phone are often not as receptive as women that arent walking at a fast pace.

But I had a couple approaches anyways and they can be positive.

*As long as they stop completely when you pre-open them. If they continue walking the interaction feels like a uphill battle, her mind is on other things.
*Game is all about her comlying. And investing, I rather talk to a girl that is investing than someone who is not that into the conversation.

When it comes to talks, younger girls seem not to be good conversionalist when theyre approched by strangers. I understand that. So after talking a little, I start saying the following: "So, what do you want to know about me?". This helps them start asking things or else it will feel a little weird.

*And ah, pre-opening from the side is a lot better than from behind. Girls seem shocked no matter how I approach, but they soon open up as I state my intentions. Better not to scare them by creeping from behind.

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Other than that, my mindset need some minor tweaks. Some days, if the girls only reject me lightly, I still manage to approach other girls.
But from time to time, some rejections seem harsh (like the girl on the bus stop today). I want to be able to "get over" those negative reactions a lot faster.

I believe they will come, especially when I am upping my ratios and becoming better at it. So this is a little mountain to climb mentally. I think it will free me.
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Instead of just approaching all the time, I am being more attuned to my feelings each time I go out. There are many opportunities I let go because of fear, and I feel like I am one of the best cold-approachers in the Oslo-community.

*Like today as I enter the food store after work. I lock eyes with a cute girl (might be latina), she looks away for a little while. As I stand in line, she looks at me again. I see this as an open invitation, but make the following excuse: "She is going now and I have a vegetable to pay for, I might catch her outside". Of course, 15 seconds later I go out never to see her again.

I understand that my excuses for "better opportunities" are just blankets to keep me in the comfort zone. Especially when this girl was into me.

State and game

One of the riddles I've been trying solve has been how my inner states affect in-game. I've read a couple of articles about this and even people over here say that state hasnt anything to do with results. The thing is, the days I am down and sad, I believe I am the "worst guy" out there. Every signal gets misinterpreted as something negative and when I feel that way, I dont care about even trying anymore.

So in a shitty state, I managed to go out and see logically if that was true (something thats very difficult to do when youre emotional). I wanted to see how many signs I could get, and I wanted to even approach and see if girls blew me off completely.

Much to my surprice, I got signals from several girls. I even talked to a couple and made them laugh. Since my state was shitty I did not close or anything, I just wanted to know how receptive girls could be.

I am a spiritual guy and believe in things like "The law of attraction" (LOA) and such. I believe girls "feel" like you do and had a belief that women sense how my state, even before I try to hide it. Well, last week I was in a really bad place and it did not seem to matter at all. Girls where receptive as always and even welcoming my approaches.

The only difference I spotted was my ability to push forward, when I am tired and emotionally drained, moving ahead with a girl seem to be an uphill battle - even when they comply - it is like as if my mind starts looking for negative things each time, which feels kind of exhausting.

Friendzone date and a blast from the past

Last friday I went on a date and on saturday I got laid with a girl I havent done that to in almost four years. Both of these experiences gave me a lot of reminders about what pick up really is.

*Screening in girls that are genuninely into you.

The friend zone-girl Marit was kind of interested, but something was off as we agreed to meet up. However, she was willing to meet me, even many days after our first encounter.

And then the alarms started ringing:
*She did not want to hang out close to my place and instead wanted to date on her terms. Okay, I wanted to see if that theory was real.
*As we chose a place to be, I sit beside her instead of on front of her. She looks at me with surprise. Girls that are into me dont react that way.
*So anyways, I decided to use the one date-thing, figuring out she might just need some more comfort. We connect a little more and then she lets me touch her a lot more.

*But this was a very slow prosess. I just did not feel she was working towards the same goal as me.

As we switched venues I just said things as it was. "Marit, I like you and everything. But I dont feel like this is mutual. How about it a day?"

This question revealed her true agenda: She just wanted some attention and a guy to hang out with.

I tried to stay friendly of course and said we could hang "out as friends". The truth is I dont want to hang out with girls platonically, unless they have some other value to offer, like smarts, good conversations, carreer opportunities and so on.

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And then we have the blast from the past:
*Who was willing to meet me by my place.
*Who changed day of meeting (sooner than we planned for), but still wanted to be at my appartment (who is far away from the city centre now).
*Who let me sit beside her and touch her.

As we kissed, I could also see how passionate we did so and understood she wanted me to do so from the very beginning.

A stark contrast from the previous girl, really.

Trying to close girls and failing

Seems to work well if she is from your social circle or if you know each other from before. Once she knows you want her and kind of complies, next time around, you have the chance to really close things out.

Like the blast from the past, actually she is this girl:

"It's nice to see you again, my friend", she says after the kiss in the mouth I give her. She wasn't expecting that when we met, although I was very flirty on texts. Later she lets me lick her nipples, while she touches my cock as we make out.

Testosterone makes me take more chances wouldn't have taken otherwise, and all because I am working out 3 times a week and only doing big, compound movements for no more than 40 minutes every time. It seems like girls sense it, I am not kidding at all, things are changing a lot lately..

This was from back in august.

I am also doing the same thing with another girl I failed to lay, we are still talking about meeting up, but I am too busy to make it happen.

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Other than that. My mind has been working a lot with other things. Figuring out my finances for example.

I also have my music carreer that is kind of taking off, with people wanting to work with me and so on.

And then I have a girl I love to top it all. I really like her and want to be with her very much.

So you can see that I have more than enough to think about.
 

kristian

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One huge realization from today's contemplation about my journey so far:

I know I can get lays whenever I put my mind on it (by cold approach), I also know how to get girls to stick around if I want to. Most of my approaches seem to at least get good reactions as well.

However, it takes inordinate amounts of work to get there. From the old experiences, I either have to make many approaches in a short time-span, or I have to be somewhere where I am getting access to many women (like events, night-clubs and so on).

I also fail many escalations.
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The need to implement new techniques


I've been trying to find out why and I believe that it has something to do with my game. I still only pull or chase in my interactions and I also lay all the cards on the table. Some girls really dig it (the ones that are looking for me or mr.right now, or just want to get laid with someone high value enough).

But after analyzing a bit, I believe it would be beneficial for my game to chase frame, push and pull, and even tease a lot more. Like a lot. I realized I seldom do this, mainly because of my comfort zones.

I also realized I want to be more sexual in my interactions, like really turning on girls. I want to do this without thinking about the consequences to be honest (like losing a girl because I do not know how to calibrate and so on).

Fundamentals

So I often get strong IOIs when I go out. And on a good day, girls really signal me strongly.

But I am a little out of shape. My body wants more muscle and less fat, so I am working out every other day and more intensely to get rid of the excess fat. This is the most important aspect to get handled.

My voice need a little overhaul, maybe some exercises to deepen it every morning could be what I need?

And then we got facial expressions. I believe I can work on those with female friends and see if this and my push-pull tactics can make them chase a little more.

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The goal I want to achieve is zen-game. Meaning that I can just "be myself" and apply natural game instead of just sarging every day to get girls in my bed. I think that would make girls more naturally come to me instead of using brute force (direct game, going for kisses without making them invest enough, chasing and so on). I also believe I would be more magnetic to people in general.

I want sex appeal. By a lot and be able to magnetize women to sex (and men I can lead in business) more effortlessly. Time to start working on this.
 

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kristian said:
My voice need a little overhaul, maybe some exercises to deepen it every morning could be what I need?

Not only every morning, but casually now and then throughout the day, and especially just before you approach, to make sure you hit the right key in your opener/compliment/greeting. I hum this theme to myself whenever I'm out walking and see a pretty girl, and it's hard to beat for low frequency (wait for the vocals):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4MXPIpj5sA

:)
 

kristian

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After reading a very interesting article about the three schools of seduction, I realized that I really want to become a more sexy man. So much so that I would love to "just be myself" and by that alone, be able to attract and seduce more cute girls. https://www.girlschase.com/content/3-schools-seduction-and-differences-between-each

I had an interesting stay camping this weekend and could see that I made improvements in that department. I use my voice with more thought than before, look people in the eye, not afraid taking the lead when I am out. That made several girls interested in me (at least they where submissive around me). I even had oral sex with one of my friends inside the tent with many people around us as we where inside. But people could hear us, so we couldnt fuck, I wanted to resume things a little later, but she got very drunk, and sick later that evening.

However, she was the one who came at me as I was taking a bath in the ocean. As I came up I could see her eyer piercing through me, and another girl was also noticing me as I left the water to get dry. I kind of felt like a movie star at that exact moment and I believe that put me in the right vibe.

This is making me want to improve my fundamentals, to be honest, because I can see that the little work ive done so far give me very strong IOIs. I am working out a lot more than ever, taking care of my body and working on having a commanding voice whenever I go out. I still see that I could approach a lot more and I am working on figuring out how to get the x-factor at will.
 

kristian

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Guys!

Momentum kind of gone and there are two main reasons:

1. I have a girlfriend and I am working too much on music.
2. I feel that I am "too good for cold approach".

And the last reason is kind of silly, too cool to approach? It can be that I just want girls to come over and throw themselves at me, instead of being active like I was before.
At least I get a lot of interest when I am in a social circle, but I rarely go out with friends or hang out with a bunch of people anymore.

And the thrill of talking to a random girl its much more rewarding to be honest.

Todays approach.

You know when you se someone cute enough and decide to talk to her? Well, thats what I felt today I tapped her on her shoulder and when we make eye-contact, instead of smiling back or trying to find out what I am about, she backs off. I deliver my compliment but it doesnt work. It all feels a little ackward.

Ackward approaches has been the norm lately, and I really dont know why. Could it just be that my belief of being "too cool for streetgame" is making me weird again?

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I think I just have to do what Ive done many times before: Start all over again, as if I never knew anything about pick up. That could be the solution, to try to approach from scratch and be happy for the small things (smiles back, numbers game, or a simple "hi") instead of ego gratification.
 

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Its not that I became ugly, I get many girls smiling at me, but for one reason or another, my sex drive has lowered a little. Could it be that I have a girlfriend and that I am spending the rest of my sexual energy trying to get my music carreer to take off?

I still dont know for sure, but it often feels like it.

*So instead of going out often to meet new girls, I just plan my next gig, or video or something I find beneficial for my career.
*I hit the gym a lot and my voice is improving.
*I work on my posture a lot more.

And the results seem fine, I get more attention than before and women seem submissive around me. For one reason or another I still dont get dates, or become too timid when it comes to pushing for things or not follow up when I should. My game need some improvements.

Recent fuckups

So I have been flirting with a female friend that I often (over the years) fall in and out of being lovers with recently. We have been trying to meet up, which we have and we have been sexual with each other. The thing is, every time she is alone and want us to meet up, I have been busy (for the same reasons mentioned earlier), or she invites a friend as well making our encounters a rare occurence.

But last Saturday, when she invited me to meet up, I thought I had a pretty good chance to make something happen, but the thing is that I also had a meeting with a friend later. My main plan was to just say hi to her and then excuse myself, but instead both her and her female friend tagged along. Well, what happened next made me realize the power of acting faster in the future.

It turns out my friend that we met and a football match was on fire ( a lot more social momentum than me), so much that my female friend started flirting with him (one of the dangers of social circle game).

As they sat beside each other the intensity started becoming clearer, it was clear to see my female friend had a high buying temperature. As they start touching each other I understood I had no chance to make things happen with her in the future.

And then some other things starter occuring that I couldnt control. Long story short, my female friend wanted to have fun and hook up. I was too busy making things in my life happen to notice and move accordingly so in a blink of an eye, my friend hooks up with her. Kind of annoying to be honest.

Life goes on

So anyways, I left them at that and managed to get a number from a cute girl on my way to Miss T. But I just feel to lazy to follow up on girls lately.

I also had a date with a very experienced and flirty girl and this made me realize another sticking point: being able to read smaller signals from "maybe" girls.

So yesterday, I had a date with one of those girls. It started well, she was investing more than me on texts, agreed to meet up on a park and even bought us beers. As we sat there I made sure to flirt with her doing new things:
*Like talking about serious stuff and then breaking rapport by making a funny remark and then touching:

Me: I know life is pretty crazy right? Sometimes things dont make sense.
Her: Yes its almost like I feel that I am meeting the crazy cat from Alice in wonderland.
Me: Haha, I see. That smile he gives though. So are you lost Alice? (jokingly)
Her: (Laughs)
Me: (touch her as we both laugh)

Building rapport is fun, but I realized I sometimes do that too much making women not see me as a sexual option. Breaking it by a funny remark and then touching after her laughing cement good feelings with my touches. If I do so, four or five times, she sees my touch as something positive. She will even expect it to happen. (I think I got this from Songbird read his rapport, he touches upen the technical stuff a lot more than me).

She was also mirroring a lot more.

But she wasnt moving closer or she did not maintain eye contact long enough when I was trying to build some sexual tension. Until the end of the date (because I have a long day today and had to plan some things last night).

It might be the following happened.

*She saw me just as friends and I kind of changed her mind a little bit.
*I did not have good logistics at hand (far from her and very far from my place, did not have time to seduce).

Of course, I made it clear I wanted to meet up again, but I dont think it will happen. At least I got the chance to practice on sexual vibe, breaking rapport and then rewarding and being percieved as "non-boyfriend material"-

Next time I would love to be more sexual and talk about sex. A little (lot) more touch would be awesome as well.

Spiritual aspects of game

So besides working on fundamentals I am also becoming more aware of what it takes to be more in state.

It turns out Drck had a point about "not caring for women" to get them. Working out is a stress reliever and builds confidence. Having a passion makes me not care for women because I have other things in my life that require my full attention.

I think this has been the things that makes me more attarctive. But of course, being a hermit when youre working as much as I do kills social momentum. So my game is hurting a little. I know I would love to combine both my passions, but sometimes you have to sacrifice a little to get a lot more down the road.
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And then we have the witnesssing of my thought patterns as they appear. Because they are the only reason we do well or not well with women. I believe we should have more emphasis on this aspect and I will write more about this as I discover more.
 

kristian

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*A girl with her female friend looking at me and then looking down.
*Another one staring at me as she passes me by, but declines my offer for a date (after speaking for 10 seconds before I ask).
*Then a woman on the store just standing in front of me.

I just ignore these girls, figuring out I just want to "take a break", I do but I still:
*Talked to the girl I asked out.
*And another girl I was on a date with last year, that want me to message her again.

Man, I am just too horny for taking a break. However, it is good for me as it restores my energy levels and makes my testosterone come back.

Messaging women
As I've been flirting with several women over texts I've been trying to "plant" thought about us.

"Like saying: "I don't think it can be us tonight, Miss M. I have other plans" or "Okay, Miss L. Next time I'll take you by storm".

I believe things like "be us" or "take you" in the texts its a way of planting sexual thought with girls.

I am also being a little more ballsy on texts with women, stating my intentions a little more.
 

kristian

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*A very cute girl looking at me as she passes by close to a store where I live.
*Another one that even smiles and looks away when I smiled at her when I was taking care of my niece.

And then we even have a cold approach yesterday, a girl looking at me as I stood there on the bus stop on my way to Miss T. She was wearing sunglasses, but I could see that she was checking me out. When I realized she was taking the same bus as I, I introduced myself. Of course, girls that see you first and like what they see, tend to be glad when you say the most simple thing. A quick "hi" turned into a nice convo that I did not close because she mentioned her BF and I am still having a little "break" from girls.

But anyways, also today I had a nice conversation with a woman I kind of knew from my music social circle. After 3 minutes I said I would like to take a coffee with her and she said yes. She even remembered where I know her from and that I could contact her on FB. Which reminds me that women have very good memory.

Testosterone and women

So as Chase has said in his article; your success with women have a lot to do with hormones. I know this for a fact because I have been tracking my interactions as logically as I can, and I see the correlation between how well received I am and how I feel inside.

*When I am on top, I usually push a little more (look more intensely, ask for dates, get more physical).
*I don't give up if lightly rejected.

Things like that. Now, staying on top with that X-factor is another thing. I think it has a lot to do with having other avenues in life than women. Working on those, and excelling can make the testosterone come back a lot faster. Another reminder from Drck to just care for your talents and women will come.

I am also breathing a lot more in meditations I would love to make it a daily habit form now on. Just to get the right vibe from day to day.
 

kristian

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I was on my way home from a job in the city center when I spotted a cute nerdy girl walking behind me. I figured out I'll just say hi, so I just turned around and said I liked her t-shirt (with cats in tit), she smiled back and we started talking about her cat. Then I see her walking slower before she had to go to a cafe nearby (meeting a friend).

I just said "I would love to take you for a walk. Its a shame it ended that soon". She smiles and I waved her goodbye.

Later I realized I could just have taken her number.

After that, I walk to a store. I tell the cashier that I don't want any bags or receipt. She smiles at me and we lock eyes.

Later a girl in the bus smiles at me.

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All these small interactions have one thing in common: My vibe is just great. I feel very good about myself lately.

I work out and meditate.
I sleep better that before.
I do something I love doing (music).

The last part has been crucial in turning my blues around, I believe.
 
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