Getting Girls in a rush and Double Texting

[Deg]

Hey Guys, I had a quick matter that I wanted to resolve, so I’m on winter break from my medical school which is the next state over and I matched a girl on tinder a couple weeks ago who I have actually briefly met before as she worked under my dad. She now works for some big busy corp and does some military work too.

Anyway, we started texting and we hung out at my place ,after she flaked once a few days prior, and we had a fun date where we got to second base( groping, handjob, sucking on tits) She had some strong LMR and after persisting for a while using some LMR tactics, she still was not down ,and she left soon after( I found Chase’s most recent article on LMR after this date‍).

We texted after the date and she was enthusiastic about hanging out again and made plans for Tuesday. She flaked again on Tuesday due to work. She then wished me on Christmas on Thursday and we had a few text exchanges. Right before I was going to ask her for her schedule and when she could hang next she stopped replying.

Now ordinarily, I would play it cool and hang back and text her in a few days or a week and persist again, but since I leave back for the start of my next semester in a week, I don’t have enough time to wait, and I really want to see her before I leave. How can I progress things at this point and get her to hang out in a non needy way? How do you handle these situations on a unchangeable time crunch and does this situation make it okay to double text?

 

[PalmaSailor]

There’s loads going on here and it’s gonna look needy whatever you do.

on top of that the first seduction hit a wall so she’s gonna push back on the second meet because she’s expecting you to go straight to sex.

you got LMR because there either was t enough attraction or enough comfort

this is a problem when you’re too invested in one prospect.

Texting her again is just gonna make you look needy. I’d put it on the ignore pile and get back to her in 6 months and hit something else

 

[Deg]

You are right about the prospect issue, the Covid lockdown is hard in my area so it’s been kind of empty trying to day game or night game and I have been relying on tinder which has pretty subpar quality with the exception of this girl who I have met in real life before we matched.

The issue is we are both younger and in mobile phases of our life ,so in 6 months I’ll probably won’t hear from this girl or she will probably be in a relationship just the most likely option, so I may as well try one last hangout in some shape or form instead of dropping her altogether right?

 

[PalmaSailor]

Ok so the escalation flunked and you didn’t get the lay round one.

Now - her hindbrain is gonna calculate that you’re gonna expect to move straight to sex on the next meet. And it’s not gonna like that.

So the seduction has to start again from around zero against that expectation

Plus you’re giving her too much attention which is a DLV.. and she probably stopped texting bc there’s another guy in the frame.

it’s difficult to pull round and it would be better to just pursue other options...

and you should have other options bc if you don’t it affects your approach and her subconscious will pick up on that.

you’re gonna need tight text game to pull it round at this stage, and if I were you I’d pitch for a meet where she doesn’t think sex can happen and then venuebounce back to your place for some reason

 

[hey_lover]

I would send a low effort value giving text once a day every day until she either responds, or she doesn't and you leave for your semester.

There are fewer things that will negatively impact your future results than the fear of looking needy.

Persist in a non-needy way. One text a day without drawing any attention to her non-replies and offering value may or may not work. But at this point, it's better than doing nothing.

Just an addendum. I wouldn't worry too much about double texting, triple texting or even quadruple texting. What we perceive as needy is different to what a woman perceives as needy. Many women have experienced super stalker behaviour like (20 miscalls), so you sending a few texts in a row is not going to count all that much against you, if at all.

 

[Deg]

thanks for your all help guys I do appreciate all your help! Here is an update of what's happening this sucks :/ I would post the text but I have troubling adding an image

She texted me last night to a hangout that involved a wine bottle I mentioned


Her "Ooh what bottle? I can't tonight but what about tomorrow? Sunday 8:27pm

Me " The little teaser I can give is that its French, the rest you'll have to see in person, yeah tomorrow sounds good does 8 pm work? Sunday 9:02pm

No response from here

the next day at 5:37pm

I texted " If you're too nervous, I'd understand" Monday at 5:37 pm

She responded at 7:01 pm

" Hi

What would I be nervous about? ( covered monkey face) I was off all day so I was thinking we could hang out during the day. I'm with cousins at top golf right now. "


like what is this, am I just getting played? Is this even salvageable? what should I respond?

 

[Velasco]

am I just getting played?

Yea

 

[Deg]

In that case should I even text back? What do you think I should do?

 

[Deg]

well might as well use this as a learning opportunity, how do you handle challenging texts like this where a girl tries to play dumb. I was trying to analyze the underlying frame of her text vs my text. not sure how take a wider angle view? maybe like " well french wines are a bit intense, and yeah 8pm is a little late for during the day" any thoughts? don't meant to sound ridiculous, just trying to learn better

 

[Nicko]

Im not qualified enough to give advice yet lol but i think if she is on the fence and being aloof at this point. ur better off giving her a ultimatum
''we can have something special happen but im having second thoughts. If ur not down then irs fine ill move on and meet prettier girls'
If ahe starts chasing then u have a chance but she stays aloof then ur better off ditching this.

I have the same ish scenario with u. I had a date 2 days ago i got to escalation and hit a wall on the first round. Couldn't pull home while making out. So i left the escalation there after i persisted 3 times, she says 'im not ready '. Texted the day after for a second meet and she responded with apology and i was a bit too fast and she needs some time. Compared to urs it seems urs is an attraction problem and mine is a rapport problem.

 

[PalmaSailor]

*Im not qualified enough to give advice yet lol but i think if she is on the fence and being aloof at this point. ur better off giving her a ultimatum*

Ultimatums are declarations of powerlessness. Don’t give ultimatums, you should never be that invested in one woman.

*''we can have something special happen but im having second thoughts. If ur not down then irs fine ill move on and meet prettier girls' *

If you could get prettier girls, then you would, and she knows it. If you can then just go do it and make sure she sees you.

*If ahe starts chasing then u have a chance but she stays aloof then ur better off ditching this.*

Nothing to worry about here - she won’t chase if you use that ^^ approach.

*I have the same ish scenario with u. I had a date 2 days ago i got to escalation and hit a wall on the first round. Couldn't pull home while making out.*

You should pull away and stop pushing. Then you need a DHV of some type while you’re pulling away. I cook something usually.

*So i left the escalation there after i persisted 3 times, she says 'im not ready '.*

I’ll bet you didn’t actually pull back properly.

We’d need to know a lot more but it will be somewhere between Attraction and Comfort that it was lost. If you have enough DHV then you shouldn’t be getting LMR at all.

*Texted the day after for a second meet and she responded with apology and i was a bit too fast and she needs some time.*

She’s got super cold feet and knows if she meets again you’re going to try to continue where you left off and she’s not up for that.

*Compared to urs it seems urs is an attraction problem and mine is a rapport problem.*

You’ve both got an “understanding the game problem”.

 

[Deg]

*Compared to urs it seems urs is an attraction problem and mine is a rapport problem.*

You’ve both got an “understanding the game problem”.

What do you think we should focus on specifically? which part are we not understanding properly? LMR issues or building comfort and attraction? because on the date I drove her to my place to have some takeout and watch a show and I must have persisted at least 3-5 times using all the tech from the articles on this website with the exception of the most recent one Chase wrote on LMR. Ordinarily, with LMR, the girl still stays in the room but is just not moving forward. But even after persisting 5 times this girl got up and put her shoes on, and asked me to take her back to her car even though she seemed to be enjoying it a lot. How would I do these things better in the current COVID situation during Winter where it's harder to meet girls at outside locations? Thanks for your help

 

[Nicko]

*Im not qualified enough to give advice yet lol but i think if she is on the fence and being aloof at this point. ur better off giving her a ultimatum*

Ultimatums are declarations of powerlessness. Don’t give ultimatums, you should never be that invested in one woman.

*''we can have something special happen but im having second thoughts. If ur not down then irs fine ill move on and meet prettier girls' *

If you could get prettier girls, then you would, and she knows it. If you can then just go do it and make sure she sees you.

*If ahe starts chasing then u have a chance but she stays aloof then ur better off ditching this.*

Nothing to worry about here - she won’t chase if you use that ^^ approach.

*I have the same ish scenario with u. I had a date 2 days ago i got to escalation and hit a wall on the first round. Couldn't pull home while making out.*

You should pull away and stop pushing. Then you need a DHV of some type while you’re pulling away. I cook something usually.

*So i left the escalation there after i persisted 3 times, she says 'im not ready '.*

I’ll bet you didn’t actually pull back properly.

We’d need to know a lot more but it will be somewhere between Attraction and Comfort that it was lost. If you have enough DHV then you shouldn’t be getting LMR at all.

*Texted the day after for a second meet and she responded with apology and i was a bit too fast and she needs some time.*

She’s got super cold feet and knows if she meets again you’re going to try to continue where you left off and she’s not up for that.

*Compared to urs it seems urs is an attraction problem and mine is a rapport problem.*

You’ve both got an “understanding the game problem”.

Ur speaking facts lol we both got understanding game problems. We need to review our game and improve it. this was my first proper experience on a date so it is what it is. With both of our issues it seems to be LMR. In pulling away after she is resisting our push how do we demonstrate DHV? thanks for good advices

 

[PalmaSailor]

What do you think we should focus on specifically? which part are we not understanding properly? LMR issues or building comfort and attraction? because on the date I drove her to my place to have some takeout and watch a show and I must have persisted at least 3-5 times using all the tech from the articles on this website with the exception of the most recent one Chase wrote on LMR. Ordinarily, with LMR, the girl still stays in the room but is just not moving forward. But even after persisting 5 times this girl got up and put her shoes on, and asked me to take her back to her car even though she seemed to be enjoying it a lot. How would I do these things better in the current COVID situation during Winter where it's harder to meet girls at outside locations? Thanks for your help

Answering your question properly will take a lot of time so I’ll do it over the next few days because its late here and I have work early.
You haven’t read Mystery Method, and you should do that right now.

 

[PalmaSailor]

Ur speaking facts lol we both got understanding game problems. We need to review our game and improve it. this was my first proper experience on a date so it is what it is. With both of our issues it seems to be LMR. In pulling away after she is resisting our push how do we demonstrate DHV? thanks for good advices

Your issue is NOT LMR.
I’ll answer properly in a couple of days as it’s 11.45 here. Meantime you also need to read Mystery Method.

 

[Velasco]

which part are we not understanding properly?

Seduction - the art of facilitating sex and relationships, by increasing desire and reducing resistance through deliberate action
https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/g...d-pickup-are-not-the-same?p=323103#post323103 (view in incognito)
deg = the desire part
nicko = the resistance part (virgin objection)

 

[PalmaSailor]

Seduction - the art of facilitating sex and relationships, by increasing desire and reducing resistance through deliberate action
https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/g...d-pickup-are-not-the-same?p=323103#post323103 (view in incognito)
deg = the desire part
nicko = the resistance part (virgin objection)

TL;DR - if she’s got enough desire, you won’t get any resistance. For you to create her desire for you, she needs to believe by your actions and sub comms that you are higher value than she is. Start with that principle.