Girl Leaves the Interaction Shortly After Isolating

[TSRaven]

I’ve recently gotten to the point where I am able to move/isolate women after I open and reach the hook point. (Night Game at Bars)

However, I’m reaching a sticking point where the girl will say she has to ‘go find her friends’ just minutes after we get to a new part of the venue or even if we go to a quieter area at the venue. I’m unsure what the cause of this is and how to handle this objection in the future.

Also whenever me and a girl are walking to a different area with in the venue, I hold my hand out for them to hold as I’m walking in front of them, but they don’t seem to comply with holding my hand. They’ll still follow me wherever I’m leading them to and I’ve broken the touch barrier earlier, shortly after I opened them.

Is there something that I should be doing right before or after I isolate them so that they stay with me instead of dipping off to find their friends?

Should I just grab their hand as we’re about to move locations?

I feel like if I can get that part handled after isolation then moving towards the pull will be much easier.

 

[HoofHearted]

I feel it isn't specific enough

"I have to find my friends" --> just depends. sometimes you just have to find your friends. also, i don't do a ton of it, but there always seemed to me a rhythm to meeting girls at night. if you're doing this at 915pm then she probably do need to find her friends, the night is just getting started. sometimes "i have to find my friends" just means 'do better' or 'make me feel more comfortable.' but if this nonspecific incident you're reporting has only happened to you once, you don't have a large enough sample size imo to make any determination. if it happens five times, you might know what your 'sticking point' is.

Also whenever me and a girl are walking to a different area with in the venue, I hold my hand out for them to hold as I’m walking in front of them, but they don’t seem to comply with holding my hand. They’ll still follow me wherever I’m leading them to and I’ve broken the touch barrier earlier, shortly after I opened them.

it occurs to me that 'hand holding' is really demonstrative/PDA. and you'd better believe she knows other people are watching. there are other, less 'needy boyfriend' ways to physically lead women.

i feel the more sold on you she is/the less fucks she gives/the more confident that you are a good option to the exclusion of others, the more demonstrative you can be. so maybe your sell isn't quite that high...

but either way, it occurs to me to say, probably no reason to do this, you can fuck without it

also, if this is something that has happened to you once or twice, it may not actually be a recurring problem. it might just be something that happened to you.

 

[TSRaven]

I feel it isn't specific enough

"I have to find my friends" --> just depends. sometimes you just have to find your friends. also, i don't do a ton of it, but there always seemed to me a rhythm to meeting girls at night. if you're doing this at 915pm then she probably do need to find her friends, the night is just getting started. sometimes "i have to find my friends" just means 'do better' or 'make me feel more comfortable.' but if this nonspecific incident you're reporting has only happened to you once, you don't have a large enough sample size imo to make any determination. if it happens five times, you might know what your 'sticking point' is.



it occurs to me that 'hand holding' is really demonstrative/PDA. and you'd better believe she knows other people are watching. there are other, less 'needy boyfriend' ways to physically lead women.

i feel the more sold on you she is/the less fucks she gives/the more confident that you are a good option to the exclusion of others, the more demonstrative you can be. so maybe your sell isn't quite that high...

but either way, it occurs to me to say, probably no reason to do this, you can fuck without it

also, if this is something that has happened to you once or twice, it may not actually be a recurring problem. it might just be something that happened to you.

It’s happened to me the last three times I’ve gone out at some point. The second time it was her friend’s birthday (I had interacted with the friends for a bit before they left her to talk to me).

We moved to a table in a quieter area on the same floor and after talking for 5 minutes she said she had to go find her friends and left (This was around 1 am). She did give me her number and we went on a date the following week.


The most recent time was Saturday night. This girl was sitting by herself and I commented on that (as my opener). She had mentioned her friends had left her and I told her that they didn’t seem too concerned about her if they left her like that.

We talked for a bit and I teased her about her Chicago accent and got her hooked into the conversation. I would touch her from time to time, but she would only occasionally touch me in return.

She mentioned it was her first time at the venue (I was a regular so I was familiar with the place). I told her I’d show her around and we walked to each floor. I think I fucked up by taking her to a louder more crowded area of the venue instead of somewhere that was still quiet.

She said that she had to find her friends and walked out. Before she left she offered to give me her IG, but I declined and got her phone number instead.

Lastly, what would be a less needy boyfriend way to lead her?

 

[HoofHearted]

Low back is always good.

As for moving her in the venue, for part 2, i got to defer to the pro's. The only moving i would do would to be to get somewhere more intimate, and then try to get her out the door (her home or yours).

Marching her around/exploring seems like the opposite way i wanna go, but again this is not my specialty, and the last couple times I myself was in the club it was exceptionally slutty and ho-ish (dance floor nastiness-- fun, but counterproductive albeit)

 

[Skills]

I’ve recently gotten to the point where I am able to move/isolate women after I open and reach the hook point. (Night Game at Bars)

However, I’m reaching a sticking point where the girl will say she has to ‘go find her friends’ just minutes after we get to a new part of the venue or even if we go to a quieter area at the venue. I’m unsure what the cause of this is and how to handle this objection in the future.

Also whenever me and a girl are walking to a different area with in the venue, I hold my hand out for them to hold as I’m walking in front of them, but they don’t seem to comply with holding my hand. They’ll still follow me wherever I’m leading them to and I’ve broken the touch barrier earlier, shortly after I opened them.

Is there something that I should be doing right before or after I isolate them so that they stay with me instead of dipping off to find their friends?

Should I just grab their hand as we’re about to move locations?

I feel like if I can get that part handled after isolation then moving towards the pull will be much easier.

You are not doing anything wrong per se, first what time of the night is this, the night has a rhythm, it could be you are isolating at early stages of the night, were the women are not in the state of hook up yet (this usually happens 2 hours after they been in venue, hook up stage that is).... Also isolating post hooking in my opinion could be too early, but nothing wrong with this, the problem is as you see no fully ready to hook up yet... Isolation is tricky cause they get a mini state change (different situation so mind racing), but helps with compliance, the thing is you got a re-assured them, for example if isolate for a drink i usally say "i am buying you this drink because i think you are cool and enjoy your company, don;t think you got a be stuck or with me cause i am buying you this drink anyways blah blah".... Don't feel you have to isolate i do more of bubbles, like me and her isolated among the group without leaving the group, i usually stay in set, till i know is fully own...... Good job getting number and no ig excellent....

 

[TSRaven]

You are not doing anything wrong per se, first what time of the night is this, the night has a rhythm, it could be you are isolating at early stages of the night, were the women are not in the state of hook up yet (this usually happens 2 hours after they been in venue, hook up stage that is).... Also isolating post hooking in my opinion could be too early, but nothing wrong with this, the problem is as you see no fully ready to hook up yet... Isolation is tricky cause they get a mini state change (different situation so mind racing), but helps with compliance, the thing is you got a re-assured them, for example if isolate for a drink i usally say "i am buying you this drink because i think you are cool and enjoy your company, don;t think you got a be stuck or with me cause i am buying you this drink anyways blah blah".... Don't feel you have to isolate i do more of bubbles, like me and her isolated among the group without leaving the group, i usually stay in set, till i know is fully own...... Good job getting number and no ig excellent....

These last couple of times it’s been around the 1am mark of the time when I move them.

Wait, now I’m confused. How is it bad to isolate her post hooking?

I thought that you’re supposed to isolate/move them as soon as possible after you see that they’re hooked.

One of the girls I had isolated was sitting at the bar with her back to her friends so we were in our own bubble (but it was louder at the bar than where we had moved to).

The most recent girl was already sitting by herself in a quiet area to which I moved her to a louder more crowded area (which was dumb on my part). Got her number but didn’t hear from her again.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

I’ve recently gotten to the point where I am able to move/isolate women after I open and reach the hook point. (Night Game at Bars)

However, I’m reaching a sticking point where the girl will say she has to ‘go find her friends’ just minutes after we get to a new part of the venue or even if we go to a quieter area at the venue. I’m unsure what the cause of this is and how to handle this objection in the future.

Also whenever me and a girl are walking to a different area with in the venue, I hold my hand out for them to hold as I’m walking in front of them, but they don’t seem to comply with holding my hand. They’ll still follow me wherever I’m leading them to and I’ve broken the touch barrier earlier, shortly after I opened them.

Is there something that I should be doing right before or after I isolate them so that they stay with me instead of dipping off to find their friends?

Should I just grab their hand as we’re about to move locations?

I feel like if I can get that part handled after isolation then moving towards the pull will be much easier.

In general, if you have a problem in stage 4, it was a mistake in stage 3. If she brings up issues now, it's because you didn't do something earlier. The mistake is always in the prior stage.

I'm going to assume that you've already met and impressed the friends. (If not, you've got to remember that you're never just dealing with the girl, you're dealing with her entire network. If you meet and seduce the chick prior to friend contact, it can unravel when you meet the friends as they will judge you as not worthy.

Additionally, if you don't have the right look* the girl will play out that scenario in her head. I've dealt with lots of chicks like this - you're totally fine for her, but not for her network. Young girls in particular are very conscious of their social status.

*There's a famous case in the states of a guy catching an R charge, because the girl he was dealing with realized that her social group would not accept him/them. https://www.theatlantic.com/educati...f-race-in-campus-sexual-assault-cases/539361/
Not to bring the discussion down, but social approval is VERY IMPORTANT for a lot of women.

When it comes to isolating a girl (I prefer getting some privacy to isolation) most guys do this pattern

1. Open the group
2. Get the group into you with your energy/attraction material, whatever
3. Redirect the energy to the target
4. Get the target into you (while she's with the group).
5. Logistical escalation i.e. isolation
6. Switch tones up and now get more man-to-woman/more sexual
7. With "proof" that the chick is into him, he can shift again to closing procedures. He then has to decide on how to close/handle logistics.

The element of sexuality in your isolation

With some guys, there is intentionally zero sexuality during the group chat and the chatting with the girl in front of her group.
Without proof, I'll say that there's always underlying sexual tension in any man and woman. (In a lot of these bar situations, I mean.)

Why no sex? Making the sexual tension more obvious - moving the needle from 1 to 4, while you're talking to the chick in front of her friends/3rd parties is a bit of a gamble. (Showing that you have sexual motives increases ASD in the girl and increases protective/combative White Knights/Mother Hens.) This type of behavior is almost Hollywood.

Openly Sexual - I've got a buddy that gets blatantly sexual all of the time, and it works like gangbusters for him. (he's in his 60's and regularly gets attention from chicks 30 years younger) But he's entirely congruent with his words. I've seen it so many times, it's not even funny. He walks the walk. Typical natural. And so much of what he does is idiosyncratic to him, that it's hard for me to replicate. My hypothesis is that he's very much in touch with his sexual being, in a way that someone that didn't grow up in the permissive 70's cannot contemplate.

Covertly Sexual - I like to have a nonverbal conversation (looks, nods, facial expressions, touches etc) with the chick in front of her friends, while holding a verbal one with her friends. In general, I like contrast as a play. He's not doing what he's saying, he's not meaning what he's saying... And I like projecting "secret fun", because chicks love discretion. She wants to be a pornstar without the star part.

In both cases, the chick is either converting or she's getting screened in.

As an aside, I always used to wonder why this forum pushed sex talk early. Then I have found that either properly calibrated or totally congruent with character - it made the game easier. Even after all these years, I'm still shaking off my blue pill ways. I still think you can grab more chicks with an undercurrent of sexuality rather than verbalizing something that they immediately know how to volley back.

Something is going wrong with your sequence prior to isolation.

• Zero sexual undertone while chatting with her and her friends.
• Timing - Skills is dead on with this. It might not be the right time of the night
• Hooking the group, but Not Hooking the girl -
• Pulling her out of the high stimulus environment of you, her, and her friends, and the vibe/value you create.

But maybe you might need to signal to the girl what it is you have in mind, more obviously.

So most guys make that 1-4 move in isolation, so the chick doesn't get embarrassed/shamed.

In your case, a lot of things could be happening.

Sex - Again, whether you think game converts or screens, maybe you need to add some verbal/nonverbal flirting/risque material to your short game.

Timing - it's too early in the night. This can mean a lot of things. Like she hasn't looked around for other guys. She hasn't danced yet. She's thinking about drinking/dancing/fun, not sex yet. ETC. That said, if your game is strong, you can pull her out of the club right there, or you can "In venue lay".

The group hooked, she hasn't hooked nearly as hard - If your group game is good, the group can hook hard. But she might not be really hooked, just hooked so much because she was in the group. Like if you went to a Dave Chappelle show, and he said on okay joke, but you laughed with the crowd. If he were to pull you aside and tell a not as funny joke, then you might not be as compelled to laugh.

She might be feeling within that group context, but one-on-one, she's not feeling you. How good is your one on one game?

Essentially Are you more fun/emotionally engaging than her friends? (than her phone!)

Group Stimulus/Energy States - Following on from above the friend group's shared emotional state that is what she wants. You can drink, listen to music, and dance at home. But it's much more fun with a group. These days, chicks can swipe a dick, swipe up a gangbang if she wants - so being with some random guy in the smoking area DOES not compare to standing next to her GFs alongside the dance floor.

Again, how good is your one on one game?

I'm probably missing some big external factors as well, and some more game concepts.

This is my first pass on the topic.

 

[TSRaven]

In general, if you have a problem in stage 4, it was a mistake in stage 3. If she brings up issues now, it's because you didn't do something earlier. The mistake is always in the prior stage.

I'm going to assume that you've already met and impressed the friends. (If not, you've got to remember that you're never just dealing with the girl, you're dealing with her entire network. If you meet and seduce the chick prior to friend contact, it can unravel when you meet the friends as they will judge you as not worthy.

Additionally, if you don't have the right look* the girl will play out that scenario in her head. I've dealt with lots of chicks like this - you're totally fine for her, but not for her network. Young girls in particular are very conscious of their social status.

*There's a famous case in the states of a guy catching an R charge, because the girl he was dealing with realized that her social group would not accept him/them. https://www.theatlantic.com/educati...f-race-in-campus-sexual-assault-cases/539361/
Not to bring the discussion down, but social approval is VERY IMPORTANT for a lot of women.

When it comes to isolating a girl (I prefer getting some privacy to isolation) most guys do this pattern

1. Open the group
2. Get the group into you with your energy/attraction material, whatever
3. Redirect the energy to the target
4. Get the target into you (while she's with the group).
5. Logistical escalation i.e. isolation
6. Switch tones up and now get more man-to-woman/more sexual
7. With "proof" that the chick is into him, he can shift again to closing procedures. He then has to decide on how to close/handle logistics.

The element of sexuality in your isolation

With some guys, there is intentionally zero sexuality during the group chat and the chatting with the girl in front of her group.
Without proof, I'll say that there's always underlying sexual tension in any man and woman. (In a lot of these bar situations, I mean.)

Why no sex? Making the sexual tension more obvious - moving the needle from 1 to 4, while you're talking to the chick in front of her friends/3rd parties is a bit of a gamble. (Showing that you have sexual motives increases ASD in the girl and increases protective/combative White Knights/Mother Hens.) This type of behavior is almost Hollywood.

Openly Sexual - I've got a buddy that gets blatantly sexual all of the time, and it works like gangbusters for him. (he's in his 60's and regularly gets attention from chicks 30 years younger) But he's entirely congruent with his words. I've seen it so many times, it's not even funny. He walks the walk. Typical natural. And so much of what he does is idiosyncratic to him, that it's hard for me to replicate. My hypothesis is that he's very much in touch with his sexual being, in a way that someone that didn't grow up in the permissive 70's cannot contemplate.

Covertly Sexual - I like to have a nonverbal conversation (looks, nods, facial expressions, touches etc) with the chick in front of her friends, while holding a verbal one with her friends. In general, I like contrast as a play. He's not doing what he's saying, he's not meaning what he's saying... And I like projecting "secret fun", because chicks love discretion. She wants to be a pornstar without the star part.

In both cases, the chick is either converting or she's getting screened in.

As an aside, I always used to wonder why this forum pushed sex talk early. Then I have found that either properly calibrated or totally congruent with character - it made the game easier. Even after all these years, I'm still shaking off my blue pill ways. I still think you can grab more chicks with an undercurrent of sexuality rather than verbalizing something that they immediately know how to volley back.

Something is going wrong with your sequence prior to isolation.

• Zero sexual undertone while chatting with her and her friends.
• Timing - Skills is dead on with this. It might not be the right time of the night
• Hooking the group, but Not Hooking the girl -
• Pulling her out of the high stimulus environment of you, her, and her friends, and the vibe/value you create.

But maybe you might need to signal to the girl what it is you have in mind, more obviously.

So most guys make that 1-4 move in isolation, so the chick doesn't get embarrassed/shamed.

In your case, a lot of things could be happening.

Sex - Again, whether you think game converts or screens, maybe you need to add some verbal/nonverbal flirting/risque material to your short game.

Timing - it's too early in the night. This can mean a lot of things. Like she hasn't looked around for other guys. She hasn't danced yet. She's thinking about drinking/dancing/fun, not sex yet. ETC. That said, if your game is strong, you can pull her out of the club right there, or you can "In venue lay".

The group hooked, she hasn't hooked nearly as hard - If your group game is good, the group can hook hard. But she might not be really hooked, just hooked so much because she was in the group. Like if you went to a Dave Chappelle show, and he said on okay joke, but you laughed with the crowd. If he were to pull you aside and tell a not as funny joke, then you might not be as compelled to laugh.

She might be feeling within that group context, but one-on-one, she's not feeling you. How good is your one on one game?

Essentially Are you more fun/emotionally engaging than her friends? (than her phone!)

Group Stimulus/Energy States - Following on from above the friend group's shared emotional state that is what she wants. You can drink, listen to music, and dance at home. But it's much more fun with a group. These days, chicks can swipe a dick, swipe up a gangbang if she wants - so being with some random guy in the smoking area DOES not compare to standing next to her GFs alongside the dance floor.

Again, how good is your one on one game?

I'm probably missing some big external factors as well, and some more game concepts.

This is my first pass on the topic.

Basically you’re saying that I didn’t enough investment or create enough intrigue from her?

One of the women was already by herself so it would be that there wasn’t enough of a connection?

In recent situations, I can get the friend(s) on my side. I’m just not great at leading yet, so I tend to move slow at times, which I’m more conscious of now when I’m out. That would used to fuck me up.

I will say that when I do isolate, that I’m not doing step 6. I’ve noticed the vibe itself doesn’t escalate after I isolate them.

So you’re saying I’m supposed to discreetly be sexual with her while she’s still with the group, correct?

I definitely lean more towards verbalizing something, but I’m missing the undertone of sexuality. I end up in a lot of nonsexual conversations after I isolate (so that has to change).

I’m not big into clubs anymore, but I do prefer bars more due to the fact I can actually talk and it’s less chaotic than a club.

My one on one game is good for keeping a conversation going and we’ll flirt for a bit (she’ll be touching me early in the interaction), but right now my issue one on one is moving too slow and not fully escalating the vibe. Which sometimes leads to either another guy swooping in or she leaves to “find her friends.”

 

[Glow]

Great w all the small isolations done. But dont be so step oriented. Try to understand what you need to get going between the steps. Adjust the isolations to the time of night, the state of the group, the girl etc. consider what you want to happen in the isolation. it can be fine to get a drink, connect a lil w her and get back to her group for more partying there and time together - proactively lead the latter if you see her scanning for them.

You need to better understand the nature of your hook of the moment. Like how intense is it. and what does it feel like is her drive in it?

The larger understanding is that theres sort of a transgression point where her interest and intrique about you tips over into her being more into you than staying w. her group. Initially it might just be i like this guy but not more than my friends.

Hooks can happen on various levels eg quite fast - golden hook level when the girl will literally tell her friends to fuck off when hey try to pull her to another part of the venue. They can be brittle whe she sorta hesitantly joins you but is slightly nervous at the same time. Or it can become more solid, more emotionally grabbed by her - i eg. tend to look more at establishing a sorta inside connection via verbals or just mere sexual tension game rimming her with intent making her uhlal-aish around me while also verbally being interesting and cool to be around. Mostly both sprinkled w some liberating sexual frames will do it. These are stronger hooks where my thin-slice and the weight of my impact aka all-round effect is so strong that shes more hit by me. Elicitation does this. creating bubble does this. strong warm reads does this. Many ways to skin the cat here but look at the totality of your impact across passives and active doings. Which you patiently deliver smoothly and with timing.

As WIA write this means to work her more before the hook. To get a hook that is solid enough. Super point from @West_Indian_Archie with issues often coming from issues in the previous stage.

As skills points out later it will oftn be easier as the group, time, alcohol and the venue works her to be less in the group and more outward oriented. theres a time where groups break and cross group interactions becomes the norm. Then the nature of the bait changes and also her state will be close to more flirty or sexy ones.

Similar to @Skills i use what i call mini-isolations alot. So in sets you allocate next to her and turn a lil towards her gradually which she will do too and you get a miniisolation inside the set if theyre more people. aka your lockin becomes her and you and your body turn facilitates this.Getting her a lil tranced via sots eg combined w a few other techniques eg warm reads - like really reading her and being cool sexy is one combo to make her feel a variety of things. Think of miniisolations as another tool in the arsenal.

The idea is to design your impact on her to create stronger hooks faster. use miniisolations to get her more warmed if you can - depends on the set size etc.

One more potent engagement style i like is to hit girls with a barrage of sexual intent based interest displays done in a very smooth and and clear i want you fashion. Contained but clear in a smooth, potent way. I then manage us being together via verbals that provides for the avenue we stay together around. in this i mix verbals w physicals and passive escalations and measures for a potent cocktail.

Last point is to be aware and proactive - when she looks for her friends - take her to them, be the lead, minimise risk. Theres a natural rythm to things. Work the group if theyre resistant to her going w you - many are not if you play it right. Or work her eg sexual maturity, being escisive frames. Point being : dont be afraid to go back. Be proactive w it.

Advanced
Many girls will arrange things themselves amongst their peers if you get her to the right sexual and attracted states. So work her and be a lil patient.

 

[TSRaven]

Great w all the small isolations done. But dont be so step oriented. Try to understand what you need to get going between the steps. Adjust the isations to the time of night, the state of the group, the girl etc. consider what you want to happen in the isolation. it can be fine to get a drink, conenct a lil w her and get back to her group for more partying there and time together - proactively lead the latter if you see her scanning for them.

You need to better understand the nature of your hook of the moment. Like how intense is it. and what does it feel like is her drive in it?

The larger understanding is that theres sort of a transgression point where her interest and intrique about you tips over into her being more into you than staying w her group. Initially it might just be i like this guy but not more than my friends.

Hooks can happen on various levels eg quite fast - golden hook level when the girl will literally tell her friends to fuck off when hey try to pull her to another part of the venue. They can be brittle whe she sorta hesitantly joins you but is slightly nervous at the same time. Or it can become more solid, more emotionally grabbed by her - i eg. tend to look more at establishing a sorta inside connection via verbals or just mere sexual tension game rimming her with intent making her uhlal-aish around me while also verbally being interesting and cool to be around. Mostly both sprinkled w some liberating frames will do it. These are stronger hooks where your thin-slice and the weight of your impact aka allround effect is so strong that shes more hit by you. Elicitation does this. creating bubble does this. strong warm reads does this. Many ways to skin the cat here but look at the totality of your impact across passives and active doings. Which you patiently deliver smoothly and with timing.

As WIA write this means to work her more before the hook. To get a hook that is solid enough. Super point from @West_Indian_Archie with issues often coming from issues in the previous stage.

As skills points out later it will oftn be easier as the group, time, alcohol and the venue works her to be less in the group and more outward oriented. theres a time where groups break and cross group interactions becomes the norm. Then the nature of the bait changes and also her state will be close to more flirty or sexy ones.

Similar to @Skills i use what i call mini-isolations alot. So in sets you allocate next to her and turn a lil towards her gradually which she will do too and you get a miniisolation inside the set if theyre more people. aka your lockin becomes her and you and your body turn facilitates this.Getting her a lil tranced via sots eg combined w a few other techniques eg warm reads - like really reading her and being cool sexy is one combo to make her feel a variety of things. Think of miniisolations as another tool in the arsenal.

The idea is to design your impact on her to create stronger hooks faster. use miniisolations to get her more warmed if you can - depends on the set size etc.

One more potent engagement style i like is to hit girls with a barrage of sexual intent based interest displays done in a very smooth and and clear i want you fashion. Contained but clear in a smooth, potent way. I then manage us being together via verbals that provides for the avenue we stay together around. in this i mix verbals w physicals and passive escalations and measures for a potent cocktail.

Last point is to be aware and proactive - when she looks for her friends - take her to them, be the lead, minimise risk. Theres a natural rythm to things. Work the group if theyre resistant to her going w you - many are not if you play it right. Or work her eg sexual maturity, being escisive frames. Point being : dont be afraid to go back. Be proactive w it.

Advanced
Many girls will arrange things themselves amongst their peers if you get her to the right sexual and attracted states. So work her and be a lil patient.

Not even gonna lie I’m a bit overwhelmingly lost on some points here, but I’ll try to grasp what you’re saying. So in short, actually have a plan and adjust accordingly to her state when isolating/have isolated.

So I should show more intent and use warm reads (which I’m actually not bad at and I don’t use them enough) to build a deeper connection and a sense that I really get her, correct?

I don’t use more liberating/really struggle with this, so this is an area that needs to be improved upon for me.

So I should be getting more investment/compliance earlier in the interaction so she’ll already be on the “Yes Compliance Latter” which can make her more comfortable with following my lead?

What time of night does the group dynamic change to the later part where the groups cross interactions?

What are some simple examples of the sexual intent displays (laser eye contact with a smirk being one I assume)?

I’ve definitely seen where the girl will arrange things with her friends so she can go home with someone.

I tend to overthink the middle parts in-between steps as a result of being confused/not knowing what to do.
I see certain things guys are doing that gets results from a far but for whatever reason, it doesn’t seem to fully click for me and that’s what frustrates me (I’m used to learning things quickly).

BUT I’LL BE DAMNED IF I DON’T LEARN THIS SHIT.

- Also I appreciate the advice and feedback fr.

 

[Glow]

A lot of my stuff is outlined across posts - sadly some of them got lost with NEXTASF

Dont get overwhelmed as what im outlining is a tactical level strategy - try to understand the hook point points - start getting a sense of hook point levels and how strong the hook is. think what can i add to enable these hooks more and build your arsenal.

Then try to design things towards better hook point creation

i have variety which takes time to build. and which is just to give you a depiction of how it could look. what works. Consider what different combinations you can use - warm reads is something im sharp at so i can literally elicit girls a lil and articulate eg a future projection of how would it be to xxxx live out a strenght of hers she just realised is being surpressed or alike. How would xxx be like that? just an example of a recent wamr read that made a girl pull me along almost against my will cause i made her learn something emotionally key to herself and allowed her to free up on how using it would feel... imaignation.

Sorry not gonna spell it out for you but it gives a plan for better hook management and understanding.

 

[HoofHearted]

A lot of my stuff is outlined across posts - sadly some of them got lost with NEXTASF

Dont get overwhelmed as what im outlining is a tactical level strategy - try to understand the hook point points - start getting a sense of hook point levels and how strong the hook is. think what can i add to enable these hooks more and build your arsenal.

Then try to design things towards better hook point creation

i have variety which takes time to build. and which is just to give you a depiction of how it could look. what works. Consider what different combinations you can use - warm reads is something im sharp at so i can literally elicit girls a lil and articulate eg a future projection of how would it be to xxxx live out a strenght of hers she just realised is being surpressed or alike. How would xxx be like that? just an example of a recent wamr read that made a girl pull me along almost against my will cause i made her learn something emotionally key to herself and allowed her to free up on how using it would feel... imaignation.

Sorry not gonna spell it out for you but it gives a plan for better hook management and understanding.

Why not spell it out? I have absolutely no idea what this post says. I've tried three times.

It seems to point to something informed by experience, tacit and real. But what the fuck do i have to read first to understand what you are saying?

 

[Skills]

Not even gonna lie I’m a bit overwhelmingly lost on some points here, but I’ll try to grasp what you’re saying. So in short, actually have a plan and adjust accordingly to her state when isolating/have isolated.

So I should show more intent and use warm reads (which I’m actually not bad at and I don’t use them enough) to build a deeper connection and a sense that I really get her, correct?

I don’t use more liberating/really struggle with this, so this is an area that needs to be improved upon for me.

So I should be getting more investment/compliance earlier in the interaction so she’ll already be on the “Yes Compliance Latter” which can make her more comfortable with following my lead?

What time of night does the group dynamic change to the later part where the groups cross interactions?

What are some simple examples of the sexual intent displays (laser eye contact with a smirk being one I assume)?

I’ve definitely seen where the girl will arrange things with her friends so she can go home with someone.

I tend to overthink the middle parts in-between steps as a result of being confused/not knowing what to do.
I see certain things guys are doing that gets results from a far but for whatever reason, it doesn’t seem to fully click for me and that’s what frustrates me (I’m used to learning things quickly).

BUT I’LL BE DAMNED IF I DON’T LEARN THIS SHIT.

- Also I appreciate the advice and feedback fr.

tsraven to make it a bit less confusing, we are playing scenarios based on experience in clubs with groups, is not a 100% we were playing devil advocates of many things that happens.... For example, (i am just clarifying things), when the girls get to a club, she wants to experience the night, for example she gets there, she wants to loosen up (this could involved bonding with her female friends, getting drinks, listening to music, dancing looking around), usually is the arriving stage (here to isolate and try to hook up is low odds, for obvious reasons, get it?),,,, Read this i talk about this a bit on dynamics... edit.- don't go by the dynamics 100% (just framework) if the girl got there and she is into you and you do the bubble and is clear she wants to be pull, pull, but early less margin for error, 1 mistake you are done)

Now the goal of isolation is to maybe get more compliance(by moving her), more attraction, sell her a bit, but you got a be smooth cause you are also changing initial dynamics(i used fuck this up even when i had a bunch of pulls, cause i crashed state from dancing to isolation).... Most times you do not have to totally eliminate the friends, on the contrary you can isolate, and go back to the friends and stay in set till the closing location (this is how the majority of my pulls go, staying in set till you end up in closing location vs trying to sneak around and playing hide and seek with group) as the night goes by the goal is for her to gradually get more comfortable with you, experience you and get more attracted.... The friends also can read the dynamics and most of the time if you are cool and is on they won't cock block but let it happened or she will make it happened and fight everyone to make it happen (ideal situation but she has to be super sold)....

also the point a lot of us are making is you can even isolate without isolation is kind of a bubble were you and her are part of the group but you you 2 are totally interacting with each other and everyone else tune out (micro escalation, talking sexy to ear, body positioning, secret society and sexual framing etc...)....

finally, again it seems based on reading you open, you hook and you isolate, you abandoned group, after a while she wants to go back to the group.... So for you practice staying more in set, or practice isolating like you are but go back and stay in set.... Is very rare group, you isolate she disappears, is not usually how must pull fly in my experience...(i am talking group, 2 sets dynamics different same with 3 sets, depending on a bunch of shit)

There are also things that are done verbally and with micro escalation that are conductive more for the overall goal of pulling... but what you are asking is multiple posts (which is why it seems overwhelming) cause a lot of the things are explained into details in multiple things (call it techniques, scenarios, situational how tos) that are in many multiple posts from different people vs one simple cookie cutter explanation..

 

[TSRaven]

tsraven to make it a bit less confusing, we are playing scenarios based on experience in clubs with groups, is not a 100% we were playing devil advocates of many things that happens.... For example, (i am just clarifying things), when the girls get to a club, she wants to experience the night, for example she gets there, she wants to loosen up (this could involved bonding with her female friends, getting drinks, listening to music, dancing looking around), usually is the arriving stage (here to isolate and try to hook up is low odds, for obvious reasons, get it?),,,, Read this i talk about this a bit on dynamics... edit.- don't go by the dynamics 100% (just framework) if the girl got there and she is into you and you do the bubble and is clear she wants to be pull, pull, but early less margin for error, 1 mistake you are done)

Now the goal of isolation is to maybe get more compliance(by moving her), more attraction, sell her a bit, but you got a be smooth cause you are also changing initial dynamics(i used fuck this up even when i had a bunch of pulls, cause i crashed state from dancing to isolation).... Most times you do not have to totally eliminate the friends, on the contrary you can isolate, and go back to the friends and stay in set till the closing location (this is how the majority of my pulls go, staying in set till you end up in closing location vs trying to sneak around and playing hide and seek with group) as the night goes by the goal is for her to gradually get more comfortable with you, experience you and get more attracted.... The friends also can read the dynamics and most of the time if you are cool and is on they won't cock block but let it happened or she will make it happened and fight everyone to make it happen (ideal situation but she has to be super sold)....

also the point a lot of us are making is you can even isolate without isolation is kind of a bubble were you and her are part of the group but you you 2 are totally interacting with each other and everyone else tune out (micro escalation, talking sexy to ear, body positioning, secret society and sexual framing etc...)....

finally, again it seems based on reading you open, you hook and you isolate, you abandoned group, after a while she wants to go back to the group.... So for you practice staying more in set, or practice isolating like you are but go back and stay in set.... Is very rare group, you isolate she disappears, is not usually how must pull fly in my experience...(i am talking group, 2 sets dynamics different same with 3 sets, depending on a bunch of shit)

There are also things that are done verbally and with micro escalation that are conductive more for the overall goal of pulling... but what you are asking is multiple posts (which is why it seems overwhelming) cause a lot of the things are explained into details in multiple things (call it techniques, scenarios, situational how tos) that are in many multiple posts from different people vs one simple cookie cutter explanation..

This makes sense now. Thank you.