Girls give away with the high value male (even if you do not have game). So why the hell do you want to improve game?

[Skills]

First of All, Tell me you, what are the skills you say you use that you consider as "GAME"????

I knew you would answer like this which one are you irt or impulse?

 

[BlueK]

I knew you would answer like this which one are you irt or impulse?

Idk what you mean by irt or impulse

I just notice that many PUAs are trolling men to think that game is all you need to get a lot of laids and hot girls.

 

[Teevster]

First of All, Tell me you, what are the skills you say you use that you consider as "GAME"????

Because there is no fucking skills!

I kind of gave you a sneak peak in my response. Skills may have a different style, but I am sure he would agree (overall) with what I mentioned.

 

[BlueK]

I kind of gave you a sneak peak in my response. Skills may have a different style, but I am sure he would agree with what I mentioned.

I just notice that many PUAs are trolling men to think that game is all you need to get a lot of laids and hot girls.

Bypassing what girls want is not possible because you can not bypass the biology of what a woman want in a particular stage of her life.
A hot girl who is looking for a high value man (a man with an independent lifestyle) will not fuck a man who approach her with a sexual frame just because the guy thinks he is a sex God. Good sex is a thing that an infinite amount of guys can give her even who are high value and what she is looking for at the same time. Therefore there will be no value you can give to that girls with just "Game" other than what she is looking for.

That is why in the PUA community everybody say "Game is a Numbers Game" because not all women are looking for players.

Yes, in a night club you can fuck laids because they are looking for those kind of afventure and casual sex and being funny and retarded man works for that.

But in daygame, it is different and you find a lot of girls who are in the other category at least in that particular time you approach her.


You are not really an ATTRACTIVE MAN if you are only a LOVER and NO A PROVIDER.

You have to be both side to at least trick the girl and fuck her.

If you present yourself as only a Lover you will miss a hugh amount of girl, and that is why the game is a massive numbers game for adolescents who only present themself as lover (players with game).

Game is just for the spectrum of the lover but you miss a lot of girls the same way than the provider do, maybe even more if you do not have an advanced level of game because getting a good level of game is harder than become a decent provider.

I am not rich. I have decent level of game but in the journey of improving my game I have realized how important is the spectrum of provider to get laid.

I am not refering a provider as a rich person. I am refering a decent provider who can present themself in that way and increase the amount of laids they get without needing to struggle with non compliant girls who are really looking for man in the middle spectrum.


A lot of mPUA have decent level of game but they also present themself as men with higher level of providing spectrum than the average men and many followers buy the belief that it was just game.

The thing is that we do not need to show explicitly the money to girls to show them our level of provider spectrum because that actually can be faked but nothing say more than the provider vibe, the same way that the player vibe.

Those mPUA start by improving the player vibe and then they start teaching the player vibe to others for money and then when they are getting wealth they are automatically building the provider vibe and the more they increase both spectrum the more easy and laids they get. One thing leads to another.


Teaching how to be a provider is not a niche for those famous mPUA who are "gurus" in the seduction community because the wealth they got is based on teaching the player vibe, not about building your bussiness.

There are many men who are stuck in the player vibe spectrum trying to improve game by embracing the grind and they completly abandoned the provider spectrum and the chances to get laids decreased, some even quit their job to learn game because they have believed in those mPUA that game is all you need.

Hahaha
Damn! How complex is the manipulation in the world

 

[Teevster]

Bypassing what girls want is not possible because you can not bypass the biology of what a woman want in a particular stage of her life.

Biology is one thing, but personality is not 100% ingrained in biology, otherwise we would still all be living in the state of nature.

A hot girl who is looking for a high value man (a man with an independent lifestyle) will not fuck a man who approach her with a sexual frame just because the guy thinks he is a sex God.

You know humans are numerous needs? And they are not just black and white in regards to "only this" or "only that". In fact there has been quite a bit of research on sexual selection proven that no women will seek only "one stereotype" of guy, or hook up for only one particular reason.

Good sex is a thing that an infinite amount of guys can give her even who are high value and what she is looking for at the same time.

So, most women are sexually satisfied with their mates?

Therefore there will be no value you can give to that girls with just "Game" other than what she is looking for.

Wow what a reductionist and over-simplified view of human psychology.

That is why in the PUA community everybody say "Game is a Numbers Game" because not all women are looking for players.

How can women know that you are a player? She is not a psychic.

Yes, in a night club you can fuck laids because they are looking for those kind of afventure and casual sex and being funny and retarded man works for that.

Ok so now you can get laid without being rich but (only in a club, as if status did not matter there), by focusing on sex. I kind of agree although clubs tend to attract status and social value seekers, but also horny girls (although depends on the club). Nevertheless, we are making progress.

Now did you know that there is such a thing as "oxytocin"?

But in daygame, it is different and you find a lot of girls who are in the other category at least in that particular time you approach her.

Sure that social setting at night allows for more sexual escalation. This does not mean women are not seeking men who stimulate them during the day. Again, it all depends on her SET of needs (no human is dictated by one need alone), her mood and your ability to elicit the required emotions to gain compliance and set the right frames.

If you present yourself as only a Lover you will miss a hugh amount of girl, and that is why the game is a massive numbers game for adolescents who only present themself as lover (players with game).

There is of course some numbers game involved, but why do then some men have much less of a numbers game than others? Some may argue that it is looks, but why do some good looking men, of equal looks, equal socio-economic background experience the numbers game differently?

Oh...

Game is just for the spectrum of the lover but you miss a lot of girls the same way than the provider do, maybe even more if you do not have an advanced level of game because getting a good level of game is harder than become a decent provider.

All women seek lovers, the only thing that will dictate whether you are a "yes" or "no" will oftentimes be related to a match in social frame. Obviously, you will miss out on a lot of girls if you assume most girl are limited to one particular need - which based on your own accounts is wealth.

I think you are making your own traps here.

I am not refering a provider as a rich person. I am refering a decent provider who can present themself in that way and increase the amount of laids they get without needing to struggle with non compliant girls who are really looking for man in the middle spectrum.


A lot of mPUA have decent level of game but they also present themself as men with higher level of providing spectrum than the average men and many followers buy the belief that it was just game.

You are kind of contradicting what you are saying earlier, but ok.

Sure, It is key to focus on social frame as well as sexual frames. I have never said otherwise.

I would advice you to at least consider reading some psychology papers, since apparently pick up knowledge/theories are not convincing to you. I suggest you read the psychologypaper I gave you in your other thread. It is a good start.

Best
Teevs

 

[Skills]

First of All, Tell me you, what are the skills you say you use that you consider as "GAME"????

Because there is no fucking skills!

Yes there are, let me give you an analogy in every sales organization for example there are certain strategies and things that the top salesman are doing... there are certain things you do with women that will give you higher odds and will increase your chances to open, hook, have sex, keep her around etc.... I have never ever heard any pick up guy saying game is all you need(even rsd eventually drop that).... the dude that gets troll the most mystery put huge emphasis on guys looking good and style.... most instructors advocate fundamentals(hygiene, style,not looking like a troll)... again there are certain things that multiple guys around the world are doing and getting the same outcome, those commonalities once proven then get share and field tested, are you talking to any girls right now, I can tell you to do certain things that if you follow have a high degree of chance of working better than what you probably do, instead of writing block of text create a journal and I will show you.... what I have noticed and I was there were you are at one point, is that you really don't understand what are the strategies or replicate them incorrectly or freestyling....the problem is what you are re talking about is not field tested by you so is a silly argument.... my wings are and have been all the things you described, there is not way for women on the meet to get all this information, they go by honest signals and subcommunications..I said this and I will say it again when you meet a girl she has no idea how much money you make, who you are etc... you have no idea how the seduction works and the way to get around things... focus on fucking women good 3 times and you will realize how much after they are invested nothing matters much...

 

[ulrich]

Ok, here we go again… @BlueK, I hope you had some eye-opening after yesterday’s chat with @Gunwitch.

This is what I was saying yesterday, you need to forget about what you understand of value.
You’ve been sold the oldest, most common marketing trope in the seduction industry.

First of all, what is value?
You may think value is something pretty objective, even measurable… but really, give it a shake and it falls apart.

Is value having money? There’s plenty of boring rich guys with ugly wifes and rich guys who rather pay for prostitutes.

Is it looks? There’s plenty of attractive guys who can’t get laid… I was one of them until 24. Talking from experience here.

Is it power? Most presidents and senators have ugly wifes…

Is it fame?… Some of the most famous Hollywood actors have plain wifes (George Clooney) or are married to a sub-par chick (Brad Pitt until recently)…

The truth is that value is a combination of all these objective attributes and many other subjective attributes.
Charismatic, social, generous, charming, sexy, educated, intelligent, strong… all things girls can’t count… girls can only feel/perceive.

So you have been sold the idea that you can stack men in a hierarchy and there are guys at the top who are getting everything and the guys at the bottom get nothing… and you know what… it’s bullshit!!
Because life don’t work that way… women don’t work that way.
But it’s a kind of bullshit that men find easy to believe and because you have so small number of references you also fell and believe it.

Truth is value is just a part of the equation.
Women don’t go for the best guy in the world… women go for the best guy they think they can get.
Attainability!!
We are looking for the best possible match… you don’t fall in love with Scarlett Johansson or Megan Fox… you fall in love with the sexy girl in the cheerleader squad who talks with you… because you think you can get her. Women are the same.

I can tell you two things:

1) You can cultivate all the “value” you want… get rich, handsome, powerful… that is going to attract a certain kind of women… but these are not the best women, not the ones you want to keep around.
These are only the women you can brag about.

2) If you are a truly valuable man, chances are you’re missing a lot of girls because you have too much value.
Girls don’t go for guys way above them… they don’t want to risk embarrassment.

You only think that “value” is the most important thing because you have been fed up that idea by someone who sold you something.
It is not truth. It is only a part of something bigger.

A big number of successful PUAs are bums. You can ask around if you don’t believe me.
Why would you chase riches if you already can get ton of pussy? What’s the point?

And don’t believe everything you see on the internet… international travel on a budget is pretty cheap and easy to do.
You don’t have to be rich.

 

[ulrich]

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[BlueK]

Biology is one thing, but personality is not 100% ingrained in biology, otherwise we would still all be living in the state of nature.

As I said before, there are a lot of hot girls at their 20s or 30s (rare before 20yo) who are looking for LTRs with the best male she can find and usually those are the men who are in the middle of the spectrum between lovers and providers because as i said before it is not their choice or their personality, it is the genes who motivates the girl to hook up with those type of men for survival reasons, there is also a social component for hot girls to not hook up for casual sex ("society and friends and family judgments of being a slut and having too much sexual partners ) which could prevent the hot girl gets a real high value male later
It is not a matter of personality
It is biology. It is genes.
It is not their decision of going for LTRs, it is biology. There are a lot of good books about it by great scientists that say we are prision of our own biology (I even read once something like this: "most of the behaviors and decisions that we do, we think it was our choice but it is more genetically predictable than we think. We are less free will than we think"). Based on these reaserches personality is strongly influenced by the biology and the varieties of personalities are just varieties of biology, since most of the aspects of our personalities repeat in other humans over and over again

Therefore you can not bypass these natural instints with any shit or shit frames.

You know humans are numerous needs? And they are not just black and white in regards to "only this" or "only that". In fact there has been quite a bit of research on sexual selection proven that no women will seek only "one stereotype" of guy, or hook up for only one particular reason.

I know humans have different needs and motivations BUT you are missing that Humans also have priorities of needs, needs more important than others at certain times. For example if you are in a desert and you are dying of dehydratation your first need will be water, no food, no shower, no sleep, no sex, etc even when sex is a great need for human, in a situation like before sex will be the low priority for you.
Yes, you could have two priorities competing at highest priority but always there are one who is powerful than the other one. For example in the desert situation, you could also be dying of dehydratation but also you can be dying of high temperature. Both things have your life near death and the need for fixing both are extremely high priority but one will kill you first than the other so that would be the highest priority.
In the case of girls. They could have more than one reason to hook up with a male but they could have one specific aspect with higher priority.

A practical example would be:
Let's say a girl wants a boyfriend who is physically attractive (those are her highest priority: a boyfriend and physical attractiveness).

But this same girl also likes charismatic males (but that trait is not her highest priority, she does not really need this trait in a man but she likes it)

Two males cold approach her
Male A is physically attractive
Male B is not physically attractive (he is skinny and short) but he is a very charismatic male

Here is what happen based on the priorities.
The Male B approaches her first and the girl rejected him just at the opener (He is not what she is looking for as boyfriend since physical attractiveness is a high priority even when the guy could have other traits she could like because any other trait is as important as physical attractiveness for her boyfriend she didnt care about discovering what the male B could have for himself, the physical attractiveness trait is for her a requierement)

Man A approaches her and she get curious about the guy and wants to keep talking and discovering what other atttactive traits the guy have (based on the second priority that could be charisma, if the male A also have charisma, she will say "that was a good hunt" but if Male A have no charisma and she knows another male (lets say Male C) who is also physically attractive and have charisma than male B would be rejected or delayed for her to date him.

That is why priorities play an important role in the human psychology.

So, most women are sexually satisfied with their mates?

No, because it is difficult to find a man who can fill all the needs from her highest priority to the lowest.
The old common phrase "you never satisfy fully a women" is true

Wow what a reductionist and over-simplified view of human psychology.

No, It is actually the opposite (as I said about the priorities)

How can women know that you are a player? She is not a psychic.

The Player vibe, the same way you can say when a person is depressed or happy based on facial expression and other non verbal

stuff

Sure that social setting at night allows for more sexual escalation. This does not mean women are not seeking men who stimulate them during the day. Again, it all depends on her SET of needs (no human is dictated by one need alone), her mood and your ability to elicit the required emotions to gain compliance and set the right frames.

Exactly, some girls will hook up with players (lovers) but another bunch of girls are looking for providers and other bunch of girls are looking for a balance in both spectrum. Therefore turning the game a numbers game for the players who have 0 provider traits

There is of course some numbers game involved, but why do then some men have much less of a numbers game than others? Some may argue that it is looks, but why do some good looking men, of equal looks, equal socio-economic background experience the numbers game differently?

As I said, usually the more atttactive males are those who are lovers and providers at the same time and the numbers game works better for them. The highest level in both spectrum you have the more results you get. The problem is the in the journey of improving both spectrum, becoming a player is harder than becoming a provider

All women seek lovers, the only thing that will dictate whether you are a "yes" or "no" will oftentimes be related to a match in social frame. Obviously, you will miss out on a lot of girls if you assume most girl are limited to one particular need - which based on your own accounts is wealth.

Women look for lovers and providers at the same time, IF NOT, women would never marry with nice guys providers and Providers Men would never get laids

You are kind of contradicting what you are saying earlier, but ok.

Nothing is contradicting in what I have said. In fact one thing lead to another with complete sense and logical

 

[ulrich]

@BlueK for fuck sake, stop arguing with elders. They know more about this than you can possibly imagine.

Do you want to learn or do you want to be right?
You can’t have both.

 

[BlueK]

@BlueK for fuck sake, stop arguing with elders. They know more about this than you can possibly imagine.

How would you know I am not a mPUA?

Most mPUA can not really explain what they actually do in game, even apply more for Naturals.
Most of what I have said can be strongly underestood very deep for most mPUA but when they try to verbalize the dynamic they can see it differently, just as Girls never give good advice about dating

 

[ulrich]

How would you know I am not a mPUA?

You repeat the same old tropes that beginners believe.

“Women are evil”
“Value is everything”
“Game is pointless”
“It’s all about genes and survival”

You didn’t come with this conclusions, you read it in sales pages and newbie seducer courses.

 

[ulrich]

Honestly at this point I doubt you have ever had a girlfriend.

 

[BlueK]

You repeat the same old tropes that beginners believe.

“Women are evil”
“Value is everything”
“Game is pointless”
“It’s all about genes and survival”

You didn’t come with this conclusions, you read it in sales pages and newbie seducer courses.

If you think that those arguments are from beginners, i think you are confusing what is a beginner and what is a good player.

"Value is everything"; if you do not think so, go and watch RSD videos and specifically RSD Julien who has a video with RSD Todd where he exactly say that "Value is everything in pick up". I can look for it for you but i am not for it right now maybe later. I mentioned Julien because you probably know the guy but I have plenty of evidence as I said in the this thread that girls give away with the high value guy (even if you do not have game)

It is all about genes and survival is the most acepted theory about attraction in the PUA community starting from the Mystery Method.


"Women are evil" you dont want to heae my stories about women, break ups, losing girls in club after she was into me in an unfair way. And yada yada.
I remember hear RSD todd say that if you let women behaviors afect you personally you will end hating women at all

 

[BlueK]

Honestly at this point I doubt you have ever had a girlfriend.

And I also doubt that you could be an intermediate player

 

[ulrich]

So that settles it, you’re not a mPUA, not even a decent amateur just a RSD fanboy.

 

[ulrich]

And I also doubt that you could be an intermediate player

My two girlfriends say I am, that’s good enough for me.

 

[BlueK]

So that settles it, you’re not a mPUA, not even a decent amateur just a RSD fanboy.

If you want to think so, go head

 

[BlueK]

My two girlfriends say I am, that’s good enough for me.

As I said girls are not good giving advice

But if you read the title of the thread I am not taking an authority position by any means. The title is something I have plenty evidence that is a truth in real life. I have seen it a lot. I do not need the comfirmation of any PUA to believe it. It is something I believe because I have evidence of its veracity through a long time getting feedback in this shit.

I also see that there are only few guys actively in this forum. It is always the same guy. You also linked me a very fired post of the "Lighting Traffic System". But the thing is that you showed me with that link I read later that there are a lot of puas out there who have an idea very similar with what I have posted yesterday and Gunwitch closed the thread. In other words It is not only me who argument that shit, then it could be real.

If there are some parties in the PUA community who want to believe that game is all you need to get laids and that you can bang any girl regardless whether she is a No girl with techniques and shit. THAT IS OK.

Just for being here yesterday all day in this forum I realized that this forum do not support the ideas I posted and any similar idea to it like the Light Traffic Method.

In other word It is a MONOPOLIZED FORUM.

I am not trying to impose a strict view of pick up. I also learn from these mPUA even when I disagree in something

For example yesterday I learned from Gunwitch cool stuff. For example I saw that Guwitch has a really good particular and subtle way to qualify girls, he seems to use a "yes ladder" which in psychology means that a people who invest to a small request tend to invest to bigger request the next time and I think that Gunwitch capitalize very good in that principle. A thing that I knew already but never though that Gunwitch would use gambits for that goal to capitalize that principle, I steal it for me.

A forum is not to impose a view of pick up above others but to share every pua the way they play game, so others can learn

 

[Teevster]

As I said before, there are a lot of hot girls at their 20s or 30s (rare before 20yo) who are looking for LTRs with the best male she can find and usually those are the men who are in the middle of the spectrum between lovers and providers

Maybe true for some. I don't care what she thinks she wants or what she knows she wants, or what she claim she wants. I care only about how she responds.

because as i said before it is not their choice or their personality, it is the genes who motivates the girl to hook up with those type of men for survival reasons, there is also a social component for hot girls to not hook up for casual sex ("society and friends and family judgments of being a slut and having too much sexual partners ) which could prevent the hot girl gets a real high value male later
It is not a matter of personality
It is biology. It is genes.
It is not their decision of going for LTRs, it is biology. There are a lot of good books about it by great scientists that say we are prision of our own biology

So this is determinism. I understand. You are welcome to have such a position, which makes sense since you are a seduction denyer (despite historical proofs of great seducers throughout history, written in poems, literature, myths, but also in the field of psychology and sociology).

This reductionism to biology is in my opinion a fallacy. It was trending a good many years ago as a result of the positivism school of social science. This school does not have much impact anymore as we have moved towards post-positivism.

Your position will discredit most if not all social science.

Your position is radical. The burden of proof is not on me here, but on you.

I suggest you come up with some contemporary proofs that this reductionism has any truths.

Because claims that society, socio-cultural background as well as contextual factors has no impact on decision-making is a rather absurd claim.

ADDITIONALLY you are contradicting yourself because "social value" as a term, is a social term. The meaning of social value is also dependent on social factors. Additionally, social value, what-ever that is, is henceforth a social construct and contingent to social factors. No biologist, nor any social scientists would disagree with that.

I know humans have different needs and motivations BUT you are missing that Humans also have priorities of needs, needs more important than others at certain times

Hence my point. Different motivations at different times. You said it all.

What defines needs as well priorities of needs is contingent and multivariate...
Some examples of variables that could define priorities:
- Her emotions (which you can affect)
- The social context (which you can calibrate to)
- Her current needs (which you can pace and calibrate to)

And more importantly...
- Her needs, which you can change - if this was not possible, marketing would not be a thing.

Sure biology will have an impact, I am not claiming it does not. I will not make categorical and radical claims like you are doing right now (by claiming "the social" has no impact). Her biology plays a role.
But you seem to miss two key factors:
- The social matter
- Biology is complex and cannot be reduced to this oversimplified theory that you are here presenting.

Yes, you could have two priorities competing at highest priority but always there are one who is powerful than the other one. For example in the desert situation, you could also be dying of dehydratation but also you can be dying of high temperature. Both things have your life near death and the need for fixing both are extremely high priority but one will kill you first than the other so that would be the highest priority.

Coca Cola managed to make people crave their drinks without having them being even thirsty through marketing campaigns. Seduction is no different in this regard.

Additionally, your claim about top-priorities is flawed for multiple reasons:
- You are using extreme examples. Looking for a husband or boyfriend is not an immediate need compared to eating. The example is thus flawed.

- Secondly, if we consider not immediate needs for survival, then let us consider the following example: that... girl X seeks a longer relationship (need A). However she is also likes having fun (need B). She is out... there is no perfect candidate to satisfy need A (LTR) but a guy seems to be a good provider of B (sex - fun). Then it is not true that she will not enjoy B just because she prioritizes A. You may want a pizza, but then you see a great burger joint, and you like burgers (but less than pizza), and it turns out it is one of the city's best burger joints, chances are you will get a burger (despite preferring or even initially wanting pizza).

- And related to the example above... consider two men... man Y who is a perfect future boyfriend (provides need A), and man Z who is a good lover (provides need B). Girl X has A as a priority, hence would choose man Y. However he is really bad at, or fail to convey that he is A, whereas man Z is good a conveying B.... then man Z (the lover will win). Hence game wins because game is about conveying.

-Again related to the above, let us believe that man Z (the lover) is not only good at being a lover (need B), but is also good at reading (eliciting) her needs, and manages to convey that he can also provide A as well as B, whereas man Y (the ideal lover/provider - boyfriend candidate according to you) happens to really have everything she needs but only conveys A (a potential boyfriend) then man Z (the "lover") will win. Game wins because game is also about eliciting/reading her and calibrating accordingly.

- Further... let us say both are good at conveying both needs, but man Y sucks at approaching (may not even approach) and man Z does so... then man Z wins. Game wins again because he mastered cold approach which is mostly all about stimulating her emotionally and make her curious about interacting with you (but also conveying).

The Male B approaches her first and the girl rejected him just at the opener (He is not what she is looking for as boyfriend since physical attractiveness is a high priority even when the guy could have other traits she could like because any other trait is as important as physical attractiveness for her boyfriend she didnt care about discovering what the male B could have for himself, the physical attractiveness trait is for her a requierement)

Women will not always only judge based on looks alone (which is highly subjective to some extent). Now for the sake of the argument let us claim that she does.

If the guy is a good PUA he will get rejected if what you say is true. But he is not giving up and manages to control his state. He approach an another girl who will be more receptive to him from the get go. He will hence establish social proof since the girl who first rejected him now sees him having a good time with another. What will happen next ?(are you denying the existence of social proof?).

Additionally, the perception of looks is often biased by the way she perceives you (what you make her feel as well as other factors).

Man A approaches her and she get curious about the guy and wants to keep talking and discovering what other atttactive traits the guy have (based on the second priority that could be charisma, if the male A also have charisma, she will say "that was a good hunt" but if Male A have no charisma and she knows another male (lets say Male C) who is also physically attractive and have charisma than male B would be rejected or delayed for her to date him.

Good, this guy has something going for him! That will help him! This does not mean he will necessarily succeed, if he fails to hook her, or approaches her in a way that is not stimulating/making her feel safe, he will never get far.

No, because it is difficult to find a man who can fill all the needs from her highest priority to the lowest.
The old common phrase "you never satisfy fully a women" is true

Didn't you claim above that...

Good sex is a thing that an infinite amount of guys can give her even who are high value and what she is looking for at the same time.

If the sex is not satisfying it cannot be "good sex".

The Player vibe, the same way you can say when a person is depressed or happy based on facial expression and other non verbal

stuff

Non-verbals are a thing, sure, but they can also be faked (to some extent). Additionally who claimed women did not like the player vibe (which implies social proof, which is a real thing, even admitted by evolutionary biologists).

Exactly, some girls will hook up with players (lovers) but another bunch of girls are looking for providers and other bunch of girls are looking for a balance in both spectrum. Therefore turning the game a numbers game for the players who have 0 provider traits

It is not about what you have (or what you are), but what you convey that matters.

Women look for lovers and providers at the same time, IF NOT, women would never marry with nice guys providers and Providers Men would never get laids

They do not lay many women in their lifetime - but that is not their priority. Seems like you have nothing to do here if that's your goal.


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I do not mind discussing, but I would like you to come with any substantial proof that:
- The social does not matter - a lot of work to prove your reductionist position.
- That priorities of needs cannot be influenced by external factors (your presence included).
- That women are close to psychics that they know what traits you have, and that it is not a matter of what you convey.

I will talk to you once you have provided substantial evidence for the above. I will talk to you tomorrow because you have plenty of work to do now, since you will have to revolutionize the modern field of sociology and psychology.

I wish you good luck.

Or... you can just go (back?) to sosuave , a forum where you are likely to find like-minded.

Best,
Teevs

Edit: Evolutionary biology is oftentimes part of the faculaty of SOCIAL science and is not seen as a very accurate form of "biology".
Edit 2: Science surrounding genetics is also quite inaccurate. Tons of disagreements regarding this subject.
Edit 3: You treat biology like physics. No serious biologist would claim that "HUMAN BEHAVIOUR" is deterministic (i.e. controlled solely by our "nature" and "genetics").