Handling very experienced hired gun type girls

[alleniverson]

Hi all. Any advice on dealing with girls who are very hot and very experienced, bartender/stripper/hired gun type chicks, who usually fuck very (very) bad boy guys?

I recently blew it with a chick (8.5-9/10) who I took for drinks - met from cold approach at her work. She was just too much for me. Too damn confident, too experienced. I couldn't adequately lead, or keep up drinking with her for that matter (bartenders...) We were making out and shit but I couldn't close.

I've been taking the L extra hard because I knew if I played it right I could've closed that night - all logistics were in order and everything - and I feel I blew it because I simply wasn't, like, man enough for her. Typing this out I know a lot of it is simply about frame control (easier said than done)...

Does anyone have experience with these girls or if there's any GC material they might recommend? Thanks team.

 

[Regal Tiger]

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One of the bigger things, you'll notice, that ruined your chances with this girl is the fact that you thought of her as above you. She was out on a date with you, she must have had some level of interest in you, which you could have amplified. Otherwise she wouldn't have gone out with you and made out with you.

But as far as how to get better with these types of girls, the above articles will help. But the thing that will help the most is realizing the value you bring to the table and the value she brings (especially outside of looks or job profession). Then working on upping the value that you bring to the table.

This will help with the overall vibe you gave off of her being above you. And she probably sensed that you thought of yourself as below her and reacted to it in kind. Women don't want someone below them.

And honestly, nothing else will help until you get that down first. Which is why I suggested some of the above articles. They cover Chase's journey to getting better with women who used to be cold to him. A big part of that was visualizing the types of girls he wanted to get better with becoming enamored with him.

This is something that you yourself can do. Every time you see a stripper, bartender or whatever, really focus on her. Take a moment to breathe it in and picture yourself walking up to her and saying hi. Then, after saying hi and getting her attention imagine what it would feel like for her to just instantly stop and look at you as if you were the most attractive man on the planet.

Picture yourself talking to her and her laughing, everything going well. Then asking her out and her saying yes with as much enthusiasm as she's able to muster. And when she shows up to the date, everything just seems to go perfectly. Exactly the way you want it to and realizing that it's exactly how she wanted it to go too.

Try to pack as much detail in as possible. Sights, sounds, feelings and everything.

Visualizations like these will help your unconscious mind realize that girls are still girls no matter what they do for a living or where they are. Sure, some have more experience and have a higher guard up in certain areas. In those areas they'll be harder to game, no doubt about it. But still, they're just girls.

Visualizations like these will also trick your brain into becoming more confident around them, which is where all the tips and tricks will start to actually help you. But before you gain a little bit of confidence around them, nothing anyone here can say will help you out at all.

Luckily, it just takes a little bit of time for your brain and mind to adjust once you start to do this. Your vibe will come off much warmer towards these girls and a lot calmer/more confident. It's also, more than likely, the biggest thing that will help you in the long run.

 

[Yaxir]

But before you gain a little bit of confidence around them, nothing anyone here can say will help you out at all.

Luckily, it just takes a little bit of time for your brain and mind to adjust once you start to do this. Your vibe will come off much warmer towards these girls and a lot calmer/more confident. It's also, more than likely, the biggest thing that will help you in the long run.

I think this advice is excellent for men who have zero or little experience with girls ( i'm talking about myself )

i struggle to maintain eye contact with girls out of fear that they might find me a pervert or someone who's undressing them with his eyes

i often get nervous if there are a lot of girls around ( social miscalibration ? have no sense of frame control ? ) and keep my eyes down at all times instead of making eye contact with girls or looking directly at them

Men like me, also need that 'little bit of time' to gain that 'little bit of confidence' that will help them start socializing with girls in a healthy and possibly playful manner

really hope all these GC articles , forum posts and advice work for me XD

 

[Regal Tiger]

Ahhh gotcha, didn't know where you were coming from.

In that case, I would also suggest just about anything involving fundamentals as well. They'll help with your confidence and provide the 'biggest bang for your buck'.

As far as eye contact specifically: there are some eye contact challenges on YouTube that helped me a little bit. Also, find 'talking head' videos where people are talking into the camera and you can use that to train up your comfort with eye contact a little bit as well. But beyond that you'll have to take it out in the real world and just make it a point to work on it.


Then, as far as fundamentals in general goes: pick one or two things that you're going to work on first and keep at them until you've got them nailed down. For example, you might choose eye contact and your walk or something like that. Another possibility is your posture or whatever. Doesn't matter what it is, just pick one or two things to work on at a time.

Something that helped me was to set alarms on my phone with the label of whatever I was working on. Example, I'd go out to swing dancing events when I was working on posture/walk and would set alarms throughout the night with the label of "How's your walk/posture doing right now? Are you opening up your body?" and etc.

Sometimes all you need are little reminders like these and you might as well use something that won't forget, like an alarm



EDIT: here's one video to help with eye contact:

Also, challenge girls/your friends to an eye staring contest. Loser has to buy the other a cup of coffee or something. As long as you make it silly/fun and time it towards the middle of a date you should be fine. You can even be straight up and honest about it: Hey, I heard that people really like it when you look into their eyes (they do) but I sometimes have trouble, but I heard that if we do a silly eye staring contest it can help. If you win I'll buy you a donut.

Personally, I'd always just wait until the girl was laughing with me and we were doing something stupid/silly and then just make a face at them. And just declare an eye staring contest.


But if you're lacking in calibration/understanding the moment/vibe/energy then the honest approach might be best. And to be clear, if you do it this way you'll risk coming off as a little weird and it may even cost you girls in the short term. But it's a case of sacrificing in the short term for longer term results.


As far as working on eye contact in a... shall we say not as blunt way, you can just make it a point to look everyone in the eye as you see them. Try to picture warm energy flowing from your eyes into theirs. It'll make you feel better and mirror neurons will kick in. You can start with hired guns while out and about in stores. Don't try to pick them up or anything, just focus on eye contact. After all, they're kinda paid to be nice so that helps lol. Again, use what you have at your disposal to get better.

DOUBLE EDIT:

Eye contact hard mode... pun slightly intended lol

 

[Beck Bass]

(8.5-9/10)

Lol this "grade" made me laugh, but I kinda know what you mean, I myself use a grading system up to 7, and jugding if a girl is a 6 or a 7 is really tough and mostly personal preference, I believe (also I don't wanna admit a girl is a "10" because them if feels she's above me, also no girl is perfect).

One of the bigger things, you'll notice, that ruined your chances with this girl is the fact that you thought of her as above you.

Very true, but it's kinda hard not to feel that way when you don't have experience with girls "of that caliber". You will have to fake for the meantime (what exactly that entails is kinda hard to say, but be prepared to come off a bit try hard and get blown out), and, long term, get more experience with girls that are that hot, eventually they'll become less alien to you and more like the others.

 

[alleniverson]

Hey Regal,

Thanks for the thorough response man. I’mc definitely going ot review those articles. I also think visualization is a super powerful technique that I’ve just been neglecting. I think I could definitely use that for this archetype of chcik, as I don’t have much experience with them. I don’t think I totally viewed her as above me, as I’ve fucked hotter girls before, my insecurity just stemmed from not being the kind of rough, rugged guy that she’s used to. Then again, thinking about it, you’re probably right that those two are connected.

More exposure to those types of women + visualization will definitely be good for me.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

Hi all. Any advice on dealing with girls who are very hot and very experienced, bartender/stripper/hired gun type chicks, who usually fuck very (very) bad boy guys?

I recently blew it with a chick (8.5-9/10) who I took for drinks - met from cold approach at her work. She was just too much for me. Too damn confident, too experienced. I couldn't adequately lead, or keep up drinking with her for that matter (bartenders...) We were making out and shit but I couldn't close.

I've been taking the L extra hard because I knew if I played it right I could've closed that night - all logistics were in order and everything - and I feel I blew it because I simply wasn't, like, man enough for her. Typing this out I know a lot of it is simply about frame control (easier said than done)...

Does anyone have experience with these girls or if there's any GC material they might recommend? Thanks team.

This is a different problem than what I thought it was gonna be.

>We were making out and shit but I couldn't close.

There's probably a ton of technical things you could have done to take the "burden of performance" off of your shoulders and gotten the lay...

What you needed to do is grab the chick by the hand and say we're out of here, with the mutual understanding that you're gonna pound that pussy until she dries out, and then you're gonna grab some lube because you're not finished yet. No fancy technique, the chick's just not gonna be able to walk. Might be nervous 3 weeks later when her period is late.

That's the mindset you need to have, rather than spike her buying temperature and use subtle yes ladders to gradually take over the frame, and have her seeking your approval. Not because "bold moves" are better for the lay - but they are better FOR YOUR MIND. Cause there's an internal battle that we all face between taking action vs calculating odds and playing it safe.

Ultimately, this type of post is really about you feeling like you DESERVE to be with this type of girl, 99% of the time.
Entitled is the right word.

It's like you finally buy that sports car that you've been dreaming about since playing Gran Turismo, all them years of racing and drifting bs cars -and now with perfection realized you don't really think you should open up the throttle.

I can honestly tell you, this sense of entitlement is something you are born with or develop over time. Full disclosure - I don't 100% have it. I have it sometimes, but I really got to be on point to feel really see the chick for what she is, and not get wowed by her glamour.

When you're with a Bad B for a while, her effect on you wears off. And if you've GF'd a few, (only 3 in my career), then the next ones get easier, because you value the packaging less and really want to figure out what's in the box.

Again, this is all in your head. And she's looking to you for cues on how to behave. And really hot chicks that deal with "alpha" guys all the time are looking for the guy to take charge and take all of the burden off her - and she will still be bratty, drag her heels, snarky, sassy, sarcastic the whole time you're doing it.

If she sees you waver, she will waver.
If she sees confidence, she will of course try to put you off, but it's more "No, don't stop" vs "Stop! No!, Don't!"

So no real advice here, but this is ultimately coming back to how you feel about her, and how much you value her beauty, how much you feel on the defense with her personality, and whether you ultimately feel like you deserve a girl like her.

WIA

 

[alleniverson]

This is a different problem than what I thought it was gonna be.

>We were making out and shit but I couldn't close.

There's probably a ton of technical things you could have done to take the "burden of performance" off of your shoulders and gotten the lay...

What you needed to do is grab the chick by the hand and say we're out of here, with the mutual understanding that you're gonna pound that pussy until she dries out, and then you're gonna grab some lube because you're not finished yet. No fancy technique, the chick's just not gonna be able to walk. Might be nervous 3 weeks later when her period is late.

That's the mindset you need to have, rather than spike her buying temperature and use subtle yes ladders to gradually take over the frame, and have her seeking your approval. Not because "bold moves" are better for the lay - but they are better FOR YOUR MIND. Cause there's an internal battle that we all face between taking action vs calculating odds and playing it safe.

Ultimately, this type of post is really about you feeling like you DESERVE to be with this type of girl, 99% of the time.
Entitled is the right word.

It's like you finally buy that sports car that you've been dreaming about since playing Gran Turismo, all them years of racing and drifting bs cars -and now with perfection realized you don't really think you should open up the throttle.

I can honestly tell you, this sense of entitlement is something you are born with or develop over time. Full disclosure - I don't 100% have it. I have it sometimes, but I really got to be on point to feel really see the chick for what she is, and not get wowed by her glamour.

When you're with a Bad B for a while, her effect on you wears off. And if you've GF'd a few, (only 3 in my career), then the next ones get easier, because you value the packaging less and really want to figure out what's in the box.

Again, this is all in your head. And she's looking to you for cues on how to behave. And really hot chicks that deal with "alpha" guys all the time are looking for the guy to take charge and take all of the burden off her - and she will still be bratty, drag her heels, snarky, sassy, sarcastic the whole time you're doing it.

If she sees you waver, she will waver.
If she sees confidence, she will of course try to put you off, but it's more "No, don't stop" vs "Stop! No!, Don't!"

So no real advice here, but this is ultimately coming back to how you feel about her, and how much you value her beauty, how much you feel on the defense with her personality, and whether you ultimately feel like you deserve a girl like her.

WIA

You're so fuckin right man. All of this. Girls like this require constant leadership with conviction. The hotter and badder they are, the more frequently they'll try to take the reigns and test you. They have no sympathy for wavering. You need to be glued in, leading.

Deep down I know the value I bring to a girl's life in many, extreme ways. I will act accordingly. I'm going to go find another one and fuck her.

 

[D. Gately]

There were 2 girls I've been on dates with who I'd say were 10s, one I'd bet anything that 90% of guys would call her a 10, 6' gorgeous blonde with a perfect body and sweet manner, 21 years. Those were the two girls I thought were out of my league and guess what --- I didn't close, even after a second date with the perfect 10.