Hi, I'm new. Guess I'll start by making a journal.

[KnownUniverse]

i also never ask for numbers during night game. My only goal is trying to pull. I’m probably missing out on tons of opportunities. many chicks are dtf but don’t wanna leave their friends making them good prospects for future dates.

 

[KnownUniverse]

This is what an infield video should look like:

We see the open, the instadate, the kiss close and the pull home. 99% of infields dont show this. Everything on youtube now is just number close then eject.

 

[KnownUniverse]

It's been a few months since i've updated my journal. I've had some fun interactions. I find these journals are good for reflecting on the positive experiences so you don't get bogged down on all the rejections and negative events.

The most notable experiences were:

1. Went to a bar on friday night a month ago and pulled a hb6 blonde. 35 years old. She was sitting at a table be herself and asked if she's with her friends. She said she was waiting for her gf to come back. There was a lot of back and forth throughout the night, she told me I'm strange and doesnt feel like she knows me. That's a key issue for me, I struggle to be myself in public and im socially awkward. I often just plough through the awkwardness and focus on escalating. It worked and she invited me to her place. There was lots of nuances to this interaction which would take a lot of pages writing to go through. For example, I was ignoring her while she was talking to me which is what helped me build attraction. I also spilled her drink on her and bought her another one. 3 different guys bought her a dirnk that night while i was with her. 3 other guys plus me but i bought her a drink only because i spilled hers. But throughout the night while we were together she would go to the bar and a guy would offer to buy her a drink. She looked attractive all dressed up - i'd give her a 7.5 dressed up with make up and high heels but naked she was a 6. A bit chubby but had nice bronze skin, tight, firm all well maintained face and body. Big jugs.
   
   
2. I went to the same bar a week later and pulled a single mom. She had an atheletic body and average face. She was late 30s i'd guess. She had a nice ass which isnt guaranteed with older women - sometimes they look really fit in their outfits thanks to modern clothing engineering but when you grab their ass it feels a bit saggy. This woman had a nice plump firm ass like a teenager which was good so i decided to stick with her for the night.
   
   
3. I went to a bar/nightclub near the beach this night. I decided to cold approach as much as possible on my way there so i'm heavily in social state and it worked out. I'm hanging around the bar area and I spot this 9/10 babe (white, brunette) walking past dressed in a black studded outfit. She had that heavy metal aesthetic. I used that to open her. I also immediately started escalating as soon as she stopped and showed receptiveness i put my hand on her back sexually. I then talked about her look and told her she would suit a BLACK SAMBUCCA. She was very young perhaps only 19 years old. She didnt even know what a black sambucca was. I pulled her to the bar and made a joke about us being a couple and then i role played it and she played along and we started making out. Then i bought her a shot, she had it, didnt like it, then i went back to role playing and we started making out again. I was in shock. This was one of the hottest girls I hooked up with even compared to my youthful prime (I wasnt constantly escalating and running 60yoc method when i was young and mostly relied on IOIs). After making out I asked for her instagram and ejected. I should've tried to pull her home but I didnt want to get rejected. Also I should note when she was walking past before I opened her she was on her way to meet her friends at the other end of the venue. She had just arrived. All that kind of made me more nervous because in the back of my mind i was waiting for all her friends to show up and start the shit tests/cockblocks. I'm lucky i stopped her before she was with her friends or else gaming her would've been way way harder (girls become very self-concious about hooking up when their friends are watching).
   
   
4. about a month ago i was chilling at home bored and decided to go in to the city for a wander. No intention of hitting the bars or anything but once i got there i just started doing gutter game. I was dressed very casually in dirty sneakers and a hoody. I also had eaten lots of bad food and felt like a dirty old pig. What's crazy is I nearly hooked up with another young girl. She was waiting in line to enter a venue with her friends. I told her she looked like Anne Hathaway and she was loving the compliment (she didnt exactly look like anne hathway but she had black hair, fair skin and red lipstick so i used that line anyway). I pull her in and we cuddle. I start kissing her on top of her head and she's fully compliant. I could've made out with her if i stuck around but all her friends are staring at us giving us funny looks which made me nervous so I ejected on a high note. She didnt notice her friends laughing because she was HOOKED. I Went home buzzing with energy. Pretty cool for a quick duck out to the shops on a friday night. Especially given i didnt dress up or anything for a night out.

I think that was all for the hook ups that have occured since i last posted. I got some numbers that couldve resulted in dates but i didnt pursue them. One woman gave me her number when i was out clubbing and she was keen to meet up for a date. We had one arranged but i cancelled because it was scheduled for the day after i went home with that hb6 blonde and i didnt get home until 7am the next morning i was cooked. I messaged the chick and said i'll cancel the date. i could've pulled her easily. I was trying to kiss her the night i got her number but she kept swerving me and saying i have to wait but she was letting me squeeze her ass, put my hands all over her body and eskimo kissing. i know she wanted it she just had asd.

I another thing that happened is i was on the bus heading home last friday night. I had been cold approaching for a few hours to no avail but then this young asian chick gets on the bus. she looked like a teenager. I look at her from across the bus and ping her. She stares at me and i noticed her eyes are blood shot. I got shy so i looked away. There were lots of other people on the bus too so i felt shy to approach her. But after i pinged her she starts making loud sniffling sounds. It seems as though she was crying and i think she wanted attention. I probably could've pulled her easily had I approached her but as i said i was shy. Crying girls in public are often very easy to pull especially if they are giving IOIs. Likely they've gone through a break up or something and don't want to be alone. If there weren't other people on the bus i would've opened her properly. She got off the bus before everyone else so i never really had an opportunity to open her where i felt confident.

There was another interaction that happened recently. It was during the night i ducked out to the shops. After my interaction with the Anne hathaway chick i opened another chick outside another venue. This chick was 10/10 high maintenance babe looked about 21. She was very receptive, i couldnt even believe how receptive she was because i feel like shit and she looks like a million bucks. I was able to escalate on her and put my hands on her ass and all that. I told her i want to dance with her and all that and she says ok but this was outside the venue and notice the bouncers staring at me and it made me feel like im some crazy homeless man harassing women so i ended up ejecting instead of trying to follow her into the venue. I was worried the bouncers wouldnt let me. So i kept it on a high note and ejected.

Yesterday i went out and did some appraoches at my local mall and no woman would stop. i was super shy and felt scared because the place is so lit up. the spotlight effect is horrendous. and no one does cold approach in my area so i feel like a weirdo doing it. But i forced it. But most girls/women wouldnt stop for long. mostly just instant blow outs which was frustrating. That's why i need to remind myself of the good interactions that can happen.

 

[average_daygamer]

Very relatable. Keep it up

 

[KnownUniverse]

Met a girl on bumble the other day. She came straight to my place. No date needed. She initially wanted to meet somewhere for a date but she lived so far i had no motivation and just ghosted her. She pinged me later again that day to ask if we're still meeting up so i just went all out because i had no intention of travelling 40 minutes to see her and told her to drive to my neighbourhood. She agreed only after doing a video call first.

She got to my place and started putting up futile resistance but i just laughed it off because she already invested a 40 minute drive to come straight to my place I knew she wasnt gonna let it be for nothing.

Other than that did some day game yesterday which wasnt very fruitful. The hot women were all non-receptive. They'd stop briefly when I used some good intrigue bait but they constantly had one foot out the door. Just absolute reds. All local women who were on lunch break or heading home from work. The students in my city are mostly from asia. Some of them are cute but the language and culture barrier pretty much makes them reds. And the cute ones are few and far between. I've pulled some mid ones in the past but they are uninspiring.

This one time a few months back i opened a japanese girl walking the street at 8pm on a weekday. I wasnt expecting much but she agreed to come on an instadate and i took her to a bar. She was very compliant letting me pull her in and closedance together but half the time i felt reluctant to escalate because she almost certainly had a hairy japanese bush and was likely a virgin. she was only 21. Some guys might be in to that but not me. I like girls who are in touch with their sexuality. I'm not into taking a modest conservative girl and turning her into a baddie. I've done that before and its good for gf material but not for short term lays. My last japanese gf wouldnt even shave her bush. A dated a french virgin one time. She had good pussy but wouldnt give head or nothing. She was also about 21 but that was about 10 years ago.

 

[KnownUniverse]

what i hate about apps is all my matches are 35+. My ideal age for women is late 20s. I dont really find the young ones attractive even when i hook up with them it feels weird. Girls under say 22. But they seem the most receptive when im out doing game. Yeah, 19 year olds are pretty but not sexy. A pretty girl is good to feed your ego but sexy girls feed your lust.

The most receptive age i find is 18-22 and 35+. Which is annoying because my favourite demographic is late 20s. I also like women over 35 if they are attractive like Katy Perry but single ones a few and far between and they are often with friends during nightgame which is full of asd and cockblocking. Chances are if you meet a hot women over 35 she's either not single, a single mum or has mental issues.

 

[average_daygamer]

Met a girl on bumble the other day. She came straight to my place. No date needed. She initially wanted to meet somewhere for a date but she lived so far i had no motivation and just ghosted her. She pinged me later again that day to ask if we're still meeting up so i just went all out because i had no intention of travelling 40 minutes to see her and told her to drive to my neighbourhood. She agreed only after doing a video call first.

She got to my place and started putting up futile resistance but i just laughed it off because she already invested a 40 minute drive to come straight to my place I knew she wasnt gonna let it be for nothing.

Other than that did some day game yesterday which wasnt very fruitful. The hot women were all non-receptive. They'd stop briefly when I used some good intrigue bait but they constantly had one foot out the door. Just absolute reds. All local women who were on lunch break or heading home from work. The students in my city are mostly from asia. Some of them are cute but the language and culture barrier pretty much makes them reds. And the cute ones are few and far between. I've pulled some mid ones in the past but they are uninspiring.

This one time a few months back i opened a japanese girl walking the street at 8pm on a weekday. I wasnt expecting much but she agreed to come on an instadate and i took her to a bar. She was very compliant letting me pull her in and closedance together but half the time i felt reluctant to escalate because she almost certainly had a hairy japanese bush and was likely a virgin. she was only 21. Some guys might be in to that but not me. I like girls who are in touch with their sexuality. I'm not into taking a modest conservative girl and turning her into a baddie. I've done that before and its good for gf material but not for short term lays. My last japanese gf wouldnt even shave her bush. A dated a french virgin one time. She had good pussy but wouldnt give head or nothing. She was also about 21 but that was about 10 years ago.

Sign me up for the hairy bush, very primal, hehe. I can't imagine that ever being a deal breaker for me! Especially if the girl was 21! I might not get the opportunity with a 21 year old girl ever again.

I would have gone for it, I really need a result of a lay just to prove it's even damn well possible! My sticking point seems to be converting numbers into dates or even replies at the moment Silence seems to be their favourite "reply".

I also understand what you mean about the language students, in my local small daygame city we get a lot of students, not only English but french, German, Spanish seem to be the main group.

It's really hard to tell how old they are in the first place, let alone with the language barrier as well and I'm damned if I am approaching underaged in the highstreet where everyone can see the incident. Another thing I use to determine age is what girls are talking about if they are in a group and if I can't understand the language then I don't have that option either. So if there is a danger they are part of a group, I won't approach.

 

[average_daygamer]

what i hate about apps is all my matches are 35+. My ideal age for women is late 20s. I dont really find the young ones attractive even when i hook up with them it feels weird. Girls under say 22. But they seem the most receptive when im out doing game. Yeah, 19 year olds are pretty but not sexy. A pretty girl is good to feed your ego but sexy girls feed your lust.

The most receptive age i find is 18-22 and 35+. Which is annoying because my favourite demographic is late 20s. I also like women over 35 if they are attractive like Katy Perry but single ones a few and far between and they are often with friends during nightgame which is full of asd and cockblocking. Chances are if you meet a hot women over 35 she's either not single, a single mum or has mental issues.

I think I've noticed the same phenomenon. I notice a lot of facially pretty chicks but they have this narrow shouldered and narrow hip figure without any curves. Now this is when I think "should I have approached her" "what would the guys on the forum say" but the truth is, I don't find them attractive.

On the other hand, I see chicks with curves who I am not sure how old are. Like how they are talking or their fashion will make me second guess.

I can't say my most receptive age range is 18-22 as I don't consistently approach that age range unless during night game because that is the age range that I find hard to determine in daygame.

But generally, even in night game, a few of them will attempt shaming tactics if I do try approaching them or even look at them, as detailed in my recent nightgame field report.

I'm definitely not into 35+ though, I find women my age a turn off but that's partly because I never got laid in my 20s so I want my first time to be with a younger girl.

 

[KnownUniverse]

I would have gone for it, I really need a result of a lay just to prove it's even damn well possible! My sticking point seems to be converting numbers into dates or even replies at the moment Silence seems to be their favourite "reply".

you could try pinging girls. You'll find the ones who are new arrivals are the easiest to pull. For the Japanese girl i just opened her like "you look like you're from south korea" as she walked past me and she stopped and responded "no, im from japan. I've been here one week". After some very small talk i go for the pull "there's a bar just up the road here. I can show you. We can do this dance together". (this was a few months ago i barely remember the exact words i used). She agreed and does a 180 turn and follows me to this bar at 8pm at night.

I probably could've led her straight to my house as she was just following me at that point. She was a goofy looking 21 year old though. Not like a gym bunny or anything. but nice soft porcelan skin and all that. You would've liked her. after a few hours on the instadate she says she has to go see a friend and we trade contacts.

I find pinging girls who are walking is a good way to filter out dtf greens. If she keeps walking she is a red or maybe a yellow and chances of pulling on the spot are slim. Some guys jump in front of the girl and force them to stop but i havent witnessed much success from that recently. But if she stops to talk then you've got a bored girl that wants to have. For me, it's usually a girl who's just arrived and has no one to hang out with.

 

[KnownUniverse]

I would say that's the easiest way of getting instadates. It relies on mass approaching (or mass pinging) and filtering out the lonely green girls. It pretty much relies on luck doing half the work. Advanced guys can walk with the girl and game her, turning her from yellow or red to green. I dont have the confidence or calibration to do that yet, i feel like a crazy drug addict when i chase girls down like that especially when they act scared and ignore you while you're trying to talk to them.

 

[KnownUniverse]

I'm definitely not into 35+ though, I find women my age a turn off but that's partly because I never got laid in my 20s so I want my first time to be with a younger girl.

Sounds like you're suffering from the lost childhood phenomenon. I have the same issue. I suffered crippling anxiety in my 20s and never partied at music festivals or house parties that my friends went to. I was too scared to go so i would decline invites. Instead i spent my time bouncing off the walls doing other crazy things. Now i feel i want to live those years properly. However, i did get some lays with hb6s and 7s in my 20s. But overall i feel those years was frought with anxiety and anguish instead of living life to the fullest.

They say this is the same type of thing that plagued michael jackson. He never got a proper childhood growing up so he spent his adult years trying to relive those moments how they should have been. That's why i call it the "lost childhood phenomenon".

 

[KnownUniverse]

I hate dating apps. I find all the texting to be as energy consuming as cold approaching without the instant results. I also find that not matching or getting responses from 7s or above feels like being rejected during cold approach. But on days i make excuses not to go out and cold approach i've found using the apps as a good substitute.

I've been using bumble to work on my verbal escalation game which im severly lacking in. That's why i like cold approach because i'm good at physical escalation but not verbal. So i guess dating apps is something I need to be frequently using to improve that weak spot.

Using the apps I have gotten better at coming up with sexual inuendos and seeding the pull. today i was talking to one woman about a bbq party i had over the weekend and used that to invite her on a date. Then I sexualised it by using inuendos such as referencing the kind of food we like on a bbq ("sausages", "nice firm buns", things like that).

So i did plan to do a lot more cold appraoch over the weekend but ended up only doing a couple of approaches on friday night which didnt go far and a few hit and runs on saturday. Instead I spent most of my time talking to women on the apps.

 

[KnownUniverse]

Went out last yesterday to do some cold approach. Felt nervous all day and couldnt sustain interactions. There was one japanese girl standing next to me in the soft drinks aisle of the grocery store and I ping her by pointing to the soda water and she just kind of nods and smiles at me then walks off. Then she comes back a few moments later and asks if I want her to buy the soda water for me. And I say "no" then I make a comment about the mushrooms she's carrying. I say something about her shittake mushroom recipe and she smiles and nods and backs away. So she thought i was homeless or something. Looking back i should've agreed and amplified when she asked if i want the soda water.

I guess i give off a homeless vibe when i wear a hoodie and cargo pants. There's also tons of homeless people in my town who are always screaming and shouting on the street which puts everyone on edge. It didnt help that it got dark pretty quick so i was in a situation where I'm trying to stop hot women on a dark street at night in a city full of crazy homeless people.

I walked past a club that was throwing a halloween event and I open a girl in a group of hot babes all dressed up in the high heels and tight outfits. I opened one girl in the group as they pass and she stopped to engage but her friend starts cockblocking me and screaming in my face to leave even while the friend is trying to talk to me. I used the opener "You know who I thought you were in this outfit..." and she stops right in front of me and asks "who?" then as i'm trying to draw out the tension and speak slowly the cockblock starts screaming at me to go away. So annoying. I ignored the friend and just kept talking to the girl who had backed away at this point but kept asking me to finish my thought. I told her to come stand closer to me so i can see her properly but the cockblock just keeps screaming at me to go away. I didnt want to be a spectacle for everyone's entertainment so i ejected instead of holding it down.

What pissed me off was i didnt even approach them. I opened the one girl as the group was passing and she stopped to talk yet the cockblock is screaming at me to go away like I was following them or something. The cockblock got mad that I hooked her friend. Mad and jealous probably.

I continued walking down this same street and see a girl walking my way. this one is young maybe early 20s and has the alternative nerdy look. As she's getting close i make eye contact with her and starting talking and she stops to talk. I tell her with that hairstyle she looks like this famous singer. Then I ask what she is up to and she says she's going home. I tell her there's a halloween event taking place at a venue nearby and point in the opposite direction she is walking but she doesnt want to go so I say goodbye. I think the mistake i made here is suggesting she turn back and follow me from the direction she just came. That's a big investment. Instead I should've asked to walk with her for a bit. I will remember that for next time.

There was another girl i opened who had just left a convenience store. I opened her with a cold read and said she appears to be from germany. She turned out to be italian. She ejected after a few moments. There was a couple of other interactions like that - just women who stop for a few moments but then continue walking (if they stop at all). I went out with my wing the other week and this guy has been doing game for a decade. He's 30 now and very well put together and I saw the same thing happen with him. And this was in the middle of the day.

Overall, last night was not good. Mainly because I didnt feel strong in my stomach. I felt nervous and insecure all night. I think because the japanese girl assumed i was homeless that made me feel self-concious like i come across as a homeless person talking to people. I thought it might help me loosen up by talking to some dudes, maybe find a wing but even dudes were just ignoring me like im crazy.

I'm not sure what causes it but some days i just feel nervous and jittery all day and can't hold frame or carry conversations well. I feel on edge. It hasnt always stopped me from pulling - I've pulled or closed on some of these nights but i just dont feel in control of my body, it's like I'm relying on luck and not enjoying the interactions aside from the moment it gets sexual.

 

[average_daygamer]

Went out last yesterday to do some cold approach. Felt nervous all day and couldnt sustain interactions. There was one japanese girl standing next to me in the soft drinks aisle of the grocery store and I ping her by pointing to the soda water and she just kind of nods and smiles at me then walks off. Then she comes back a few moments later and asks if I want her to buy the soda water for me. And I say "no" then I make a comment about the mushrooms she's carrying. I say something about her shittake mushroom recipe and she smiles and nods and backs away. So she thought i was homeless or something. Looking back i should've agreed and amplified when she asked if i want the soda water.

I guess i give off a homeless vibe when i wear a hoodie and cargo pants. There's also tons of homeless people in my town who are always screaming and shouting on the street which puts everyone on edge. It didnt help that it got dark pretty quick so i was in a situation where I'm trying to stop hot women on a dark street at night in a city full of crazy homeless people.

I walked past a club that was throwing a halloween event and I open a girl in a group of hot babes all dressed up in the high heels and tight outfits. I opened one girl in the group as they pass and she stopped to engage but her friend starts cockblocking me and screaming in my face to leave even while the friend is trying to talk to me. I used the opener "You know who I thought you were in this outfit..." and she stops right in front of me and asks "who?" then as i'm trying to draw out the tension and speak slowly the cockblock starts screaming at me to go away. So annoying. I ignored the friend and just kept talking to the girl who had backed away at this point but kept asking me to finish my thought. I told her to come stand closer to me so i can see her properly but the cockblock just keeps screaming at me to go away. I didnt want to be a spectacle for everyone's entertainment so i ejected instead of holding it down.

What pissed me off was i didnt even approach them. I opened the one girl as the group was passing and she stopped to talk yet the cockblock is screaming at me to go away like I was following them or something. The cockblock got mad that I hooked her friend. Mad and jealous probably.

I continued walking down this same street and see a girl walking my way. this one is young maybe early 20s and has the alternative nerdy look. As she's getting close i make eye contact with her and starting talking and she stops to talk. I tell her with that hairstyle she looks like this famous singer. Then I ask what she is up to and she says she's going home. I tell her there's a halloween event taking place at a venue nearby and point in the opposite direction she is walking but she doesnt want to go so I say goodbye. I think the mistake i made here is suggesting she turn back and follow me from the direction she just came. That's a big investment. Instead I should've asked to walk with her for a bit. I will remember that for next time.

There was another girl i opened who had just left a convenience store. I opened her with a cold read and said she appears to be from germany. She turned out to be italian. She ejected after a few moments. There was a couple of other interactions like that - just women who stop for a few moments but then continue walking (if they stop at all). I went out with my wing the other week and this guy has been doing game for a decade. He's 30 now and very well put together and I saw the same thing happen with him. And this was in the middle of the day.

Overall, last night was not good. Mainly because I didnt feel strong in my stomach. I felt nervous and insecure all night. I think because the japanese girl assumed i was homeless that made me feel self-concious like i come across as a homeless person talking to people. I thought it might help me loosen up by talking to some dudes, maybe find a wing but even dudes were just ignoring me like im crazy.

I'm not sure what causes it but some days i just feel nervous and jittery all day and can't hold frame or carry conversations well. I feel on edge. It hasnt always stopped me from pulling - I've pulled or closed on some of these nights but i just dont feel in control of my body, it's like I'm relying on luck and not enjoying the interactions aside from the moment it gets sexual.

From your post in the user "HeartofChaos" blog, I picture you as approaching in Wellington, NZ.

I'm not sure if that is accurate or not.

Anyway I find your field report highly relatable. I don't know how anyone pulls these hot "club" type younger girls. It's all drama with them, it seems.

If you feel nervous and jittery, I know the feeling. It's probably because you are approaching in the same town again and again.

A change of scene would help. Also if it's Night time it's understandable as a lot of violence occurs during the nighttime economy.

Something that I do to get over this is do "cowardly" approaches. Like just do a one set and don't bother with a front stop, just go in from the side and ask the girl for permission before the compliment. This will ease you in gently to the approach.

 

[KnownUniverse]

From your post in the user "HeartofChaos" blog, I picture you as approaching in Wellington, NZ.

yeah pretty close. And i think the PUA environment is identical to UK. All the commonwealth nations seem to have very similar social culture. Similar economies, similar everything. I think that's why we have relatable experiences. We also have the "chav" demographic here where the girls are often teenagers walking around in sweater and hoodies. Some are very pretty but i dont find them sexually attractive. They just don't have that maturity I'm after.

Anyway I find your field report highly relatable. I don't know how anyone pulls these hot "club" type younger girls. It's all drama with them, it seems.

Those girls are notoriously hard to pull. I don't think many guys are able to do it. Those girls always have the biggest bitch shields plus often surrounded by all their cockblocking friends. Can't say i've pulled one yet but I've gotten the more casual looking women a few times in the last couple of years. I've had some close calls so i'll keep working on it but I can confirm they are very hard to deal with.

If you feel nervous and jittery, I know the feeling. It's probably because you are approaching in the same town again and again.

A change of scene would help. Also if it's Night time it's understandable as a lot of violence occurs during the nighttime economy.

I think this is so. Constantly cold approaching in the same environment becomes tedious. i notice when i'm in a new city I'm full of positive emotions. The novelty of it often overrides the anxiety and negative thoughts. Plus I'll have genuine indirect reasons to talk to girls - I'm new or just arrived in town.

Currently when i approach using anything indirect comes across as dishonest and it shows in my demeanour. I've got no genuine reason to be talking to a girl at my local mall other than trying to bang.

That's why i need to test your opener "can i give you a compliment". I wanted to test it today but i felt lots of resistance. It makes me feel very low value offering to give girls compliments but i know it can work. Being direct with a compliment is more effective than hiding your intentions with indirectness.

 

[KnownUniverse]

I've noticed some guys are able to keep their approaches very low key. I wish i had this ability. I met someone recently that was jumping in front of girls forcing them to stop and it didnt draw any attention. Whenever i open girls everyone turns and looks like i'm doing something crazy. And I'm not even doing the full on front stop thing.

So today im way home from an appointment in the local high street I managed to do one solid open but I tanked my value mid way when I gave up frame. The girl started asking me questions and I started jumping through hoops. I should've maintained frame.

She was a hot polynesian babe. Fit body, mid 20s, tall (like 6ft). I notice her walking behind me about 10 meters away so i stop and wait for her to catch up then tell her she reminds me of the character moana. She laughed then asked where I'm from, she thought I was also polynesian. I started telling her where I'm from, my ethnic background and all that and in my mind i knew this was the wrong behaviour. I was also smiling in embrassment a lot which is another thing i notice turns women off. It comes across as weak and submissive. It depends why you are smiling though. If you're smiling with confidence it might be ok but for me is was because i was embarrassed.

When i initially opened her she was very receptive but when i let the conversation drift off into boring talking points she lost interest.

i will need to remember for next time to focus on controlling the frame. Don't let the interaction drift off into anything low value like questions about my age, income, background etc...

This girl was not my type at all. By type i mean, I'm not the type of guy she would typically date. So i have to avoid discussions about my true self.

However its very exhausting maintaining this false persona. It's so easy and habitual to be honest but i dont think it's the way to go.

 

[KnownUniverse]

Hit the bar last night solo. Very tough crowd. Very cliquey. So many girls had the angry bitch face going with short answers. And when i managed to get one talking her friend would pull her away. Or when I'd make a comment/tease about her she laugh and tell her friends what i said so I'd end up having to take on multiple girls at once. It doesnt help that I'm out solo, even the best puas in the world have said you need a wing (not always but in general).

I also made a bitch move i'm ashamed to think about. I opened a girl at the bar and was telling her to do things but then i left it up to her to move the interaction forward. She said she cant do those things right now because she's ordering and I told her to come see me when she's done. Dunno why i'd think that would work. It was cringe. I should've just waited for her no matter how uncomfortable she might have been. That's the problem - i didnt want to make her uncomfortable, and security here watch you like a hawk. This venue is full of low status men mass approaching. I know a few who've been kicked out for approaching too much. That's probably why i feel comfortable going to this venue all the time because it's a low status environment. low risk low reward type shit (ive pulled a few times from there in the last 2 years).

I was getting some strong receptiveness from older women. Mostly over 45 which i wasnt that interested in pulling so i didnt pursue them.

Used averagedaygamers opener to open hot babes walking past and it worked 9 times out of 10. The problemI had is once i give the girl the compliment she would thank me and walk off. When I say "it worked" what i mean is she would actually stop and engage not just respond. So yes, hottest babe would stop and engage but after giving the compliment she would keep moving. I tried to use it as bait but it didnt work either. I would open her with the question then go for a compliance test but she wouldnt comply.

My diet has been really bad the last few months. I'm probably 35/40% bodyfat now. That's just added resistance which i need to get on top of. I think body fat is the only sin. Even baldness is acceptable as long as you're lean it's fine. Johnny sins.

I also dont witness or experience that same social dominance guys used to have back in the day. That thing that used to happen when you felt like the king and could have any girl you wanted in the venue (and sometimes you would have any girl you wanted). It feels like we have to be more gamey now and try to convince girls to hook up with us in clubs. Everything is an intellectual effort now. This is especially true in the commonwealth nations.

 

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Hit the bar last night solo. Very tough crowd. Very cliquey. So many girls had the angry bitch face going with short answers. And when i managed to get one talking her friend would pull her away. Or when I'd make a comment/tease about her she laugh and tell her friends what i said so I'd end up having to take on multiple girls at once. It doesnt help that I'm out solo, even the best puas in the world have said you need a wing (not always but in general).

I also made a bitch move i'm ashamed to think about. I opened a girl at the bar and was telling her to do things but then i left it up to her to move the interaction forward. She said she cant do those things right now because she's ordering and I told her to come see me when she's done. Dunno why i'd think that would work. It was cringe. I should've just waited for her no matter how uncomfortable she might have been. That's the problem - i didnt want to make her uncomfortable, and security here watch you like a hawk. This venue is full of low status men mass approaching. I know a few who've been kicked out for approaching too much. That's probably why i feel comfortable going to this venue all the time because it's a low status environment. low risk low reward type shit (ive pulled a few times from there in the last 2 years).

I was getting some strong receptiveness from older women. Mostly over 45 which i wasnt that interested in pulling so i didnt pursue them.

Used averagedaygamers opener to open hot babes walking past and it worked 9 times out of 10. The problemI had is once i give the girl the compliment she would thank me and walk off. When I say "it worked" what i mean is she would actually stop and engage not just respond. So yes, hottest babe would stop and engage but after giving the compliment she would keep moving. I tried to use it as bait but it didnt work either. I would open her with the question then go for a compliance test but she wouldnt comply.

My diet has been really bad the last few months. I'm probably 35/40% bodyfat now. That's just added resistance which i need to get on top of. I think body fat is the only sin. Even baldness is acceptable as long as you're lean it's fine. Johnny sins.

I also dont witness or experience that same social dominance guys used to have back in the day. That thing that used to happen when you felt like the king and could have any girl you wanted in the venue (and sometimes you would have any girl you wanted). It feels like we have to be more gamey now and try to convince girls to hook up with us in clubs. Everything is an intellectual effort now. This is especially true in the commonwealth nations.

This is great, I find it really relatable.

"Cliquey" I think is the correct term for where I am as well. If by which it means all the people already know one another and are in big groups.

From what I understand, that is far less common in the USA than in other Anglo countries.

As for my opener, I think the reason it works to grab initial attention is due to the "question" element of it. The girl wonders what kind of compliment you are going to give.

I also find it more conversational. A lot of this alpha advice about "run in front, force her to stop, tell her she is the most beautiful person you've ever seen" is just cringy.

It's interesting that both of us have observed security watching us like a hawk. It's due to being a single male is easier to deal with than a group of males doing approaches. Really, they don't like approaches as they could upset the product (the girls) who attract more men who then spend money on alcohol.

I get the impression this is not as much of a thing in the USA, it's almost as their culture is a little more old school and accepts that there will be interaction between the genders, some of it clumsy resulting in awkwardness.

Whereas in the UK and the common wealth it sets alarm bells ringing a lot sooner which results in a lot of false alerts and blokes getting asked to leave often.

Do you ever get worried that you won't be allowed back? Like the only venue with good volume you might be banned from, what then. It's kind of unofficially happened with one venue I used to go to because I challenged the guard there and I fear if he recognises me he won't allow me back in.

Anyway well done on the solo mission. I struggle to motivate myself to go out at night.

Mainly when it's getting to 10pm and I can feel the sleepiness start to kick in, it's so tempting to stay in my warm and comfortable bed.

 

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Do you ever get worried that you won't be allowed back? Like the only venue with good volume you might be banned from, what then. It's kind of unofficially happened with one venue I used to go to because I challenged the guard there and I fear if he recognises me he won't allow me back in.

no, never. as long as I don't make a fuss about it. If i get approached by security and asked to step outside for a moment i just leave. I've argued with a bouncer once and called him a bald manlet but all that does it make them remember your face.

My friend got banned for asking out the bar staff so avoid hitting on staff or doing anything particuarly offensive like offering a girl money for sex and you won't get banned (i have another friend who did that too) .

The way i try look at it is im going to do my thing and appraoch every girl i like and if anyone has a problem with it they can just tell me to stop. It's up to them.

I get the impression this is not as much of a thing in the USA, it's almost as their culture is a little more old school and accepts that there will be interaction between the genders, some of it clumsy resulting in awkwardness.

The US is a lot more of an anarchic society than the commonwealth countries. That's why they call it the land of opporunity. opporunity for money and lays. But also lots of risk. So for guys like us who put in the work they will get better results in the US. The commonwealth is more communist conformist where everyone is forced to stay in their lanes. It wasnt this bad a decade ago.

i posted videos here of all the hot gen z girls selling their bodies on the streets of america. If you cant game them you can just buy them over there. Its the land of milk and honey. But the consequence is lots of disadvantged people.

As for my opener, I think the reason it works to grab initial attention is due to the "question" element of it. The girl wonders what kind of compliment you are going to give.

True. another attention grab i've used is "do you know what i was thinking when i saw you...".

I like the compliment one better because it's permission to escalate off the bat.

Mainly when it's getting to 10pm and I can feel the sleepiness start to kick in, it's so tempting to stay in my warm and comfortable bed.

Sometimes i tell myself i wont even approach. I'm just going out to stretch my legs. Maybe gets some groceries. If something happens it happens. Once im out i'll start small with a little hit and run until i feel energised then next thing you know im mass approaching in a club.