Hotties complaining guys aren't approaching

[Bismarck]

So apparently there's this thing on SoMe now where hotties are complaining that guys aren't approaching them IRL.

One bae walking in what looks like Central Park in NYC, saying her tits are bouncing and her skin is radiant, and that she's tired of not being noticed, and how she'd even take a catcall from a construction worker. Another chick in an orange dress back from a night out complaining that she's been ignored all night, and that guys should just "grab a boob, buy a drink, it's that simple" or something. And lastly, a cute brunette on TikTok complaining about the dating scene in NYC and how chicks are stealing finance dudes' salads in Midtown during lunchtime and looking them up on LinkedIn and hitting them up on there (their name is written on the salad or something).

If you filter out all the noise, like that Tea app where 1s and 2s complain about the dudes that rejected them, this seems like the result of #MeToo and all the DEI that was mainstreamed from the 2010s onwards, but also the more anti-male strands of feminism that are those currently in vogue.

I think it also has to do with the complete gender role reversal that we see in mainstream TV and movies of the last two decades or so (for movies where you can find solid masculine rolemodels, check out my Thoughts on recent movies thread), and all the campaigning against "toxic masculinity" but also the stories guys hear online of chicks showing DMs from guys and calling them out as creeps or even filming dudes approaching them and posting it online and doxxing the guy.

But if you filter it all out, I wanted to see the silver lining, which is that hotties are desperate because guys aren't approaching, which means, remembering to always calibrate to the girl (and not approach her in a fucking parking lot, or somewhere alone where - unless you know what you're doing like e.g. James D - she'll be afraid), get out there gents. There's no competition.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I lived in NYC for years and the atmosphere there, on a corporate and social level, is quite limiting once you are in the daily grind there. PC Culture aside, you would have guys that would stalk and harass PUAs in places like Washington Sq Park near NYU if they found one approaching. Not the most vibrant place to be approaching these days.

You see, I read all of these "men don't approach anymore" or "men don't show up to singles events anymore" nonsense but I think it is just that, nonsense. When men do approach, especially in leftist hellholes like NYC, we have to deal with other sorts of garbage. There is a big Game Chat I was on a year ago which was broken up by city. In the NYC Game Chat area, guys were complaining about being recorded on TikTok for approaching girls.

There are most definitely guys approaching, in NYC and especially down here in Miami. However, what I have noticed is that the angle has changed. In Miami, they do "Influencer" Game where they just record girls on a camera (or with a cameraman near them) and make them feel like they are on a Youtube channel. Same angle once again but you see it all over Brickell, especially Mary Brickell village.

All in all, I am not buying this whole women being frustrated of not being approached nonsense. I think it's all an act. These same women will go on TikTok the next day and go on an hour long rant about a dude that approached them.

I know it sounds controversial but I think this is good. These women need to be starved of attention and they need to be humbled.

FWIW, the guys I know who are getting high lay counts (50+) a year are doing so through the apps or through social media.

We really need to get back to a society where men had at least some leverage because in the past few years, it has gotten outta hand.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

To add more to it, objectively, the actual Game in NYC itself is quite doable and easy. I would have consecutive weeks there when I would pull and I would even get approached myself. However, when you live and work in NYC, the atmosphere itself there really beats you down as a guy. The culture is hardcore leftist. Not leftist as in they happen to vote Democrat, I mean leftist as in invasively leftist. Almost every workplace there is full of invasively leftist pests that are trying to hang out with you and alter how you see the world. Work culture in NYC is pretty much trying to network with hardcore leftist Feminists and their lapdogs so you can get ahead and afford the rent there.

Remember OP, the #MeToo movement was popularized by none other than Alyssa Milano of Brooklyn, NY. The City's culture is strange because remember, guys like Diddy, Epstein, and Weinstein were born and raised in the NYC area as well.

Living in NYC beats you down in so many ways but not in the ways you might think. Just being a straight guy there who likes feminine and attractive women is a social crime. The workplaces you are at are full of invasive people trying to coerce you into a Happy Hour or some form of hanging out where if you say no, you are not a "team player" so push that promotion goodbye.

In all of that comes in this shaming towards cold approach. Anyone talking to a hot girl is somehow the equivalent of an Epstein. I am not kidding, the corporate Woke Mob in NYC feels that way.

I am in Miami now and objectively, it is a lot tougher here. Guys here look better and women here are more stuckup. On the other hand, it is also more relaxing and culturally laid back so things like approaching women and getting laid are not as socially frowned upon and don't have locals labeling you as an Epstein.

If I was to do Game in NYC, I would say yeah it is easier but:

• Make sure you do not need a corporate job
• Start your own business
• Find a remote job where you can live and work in NYC but do not have to interact with the Woke Corporate Mob

Then do Game.

I have a friend who did just that and he is regularly having success in NYC. It is objectively one of the best cities in North America for Game but when you live there and work in the corporate woke mob world of the city, it just deflates you. It is full of some of the nastiest and worst people in the entire country in that regard.

Rant over.

 

[Dark_Stallion]

To add more to it, objectively, the actual Game in NYC itself is quite doable and easy. I would have consecutive weeks there when I would pull and I would even get approached myself. However, when you live and work in NYC, the atmosphere itself there really beats you down as a guy. The culture is hardcore leftist. Not leftist as in they happen to vote Democrat, I mean leftist as in invasively leftist. Almost every workplace there is full of invasively leftist pests that are trying to hang out with you and alter how you see the world. Work culture in NYC is pretty much trying to network with hardcore leftist Feminists and their lapdogs so you can get ahead and afford the rent there.

So many hotties in NYC, it's insane. I have worked internships in corporate, and this seems to check out, with the whole leftist agena being perpetuated down your throat, as well as having to attend happy hours and be a "team player." Idt people realize the job you're doing is just a job, and not meant to consume your life.

Going out to happy hours with co workers, seeing hotties and not being able to do anything is definitely a frustrating feeling.

Living in NYC beats you down in so many ways but not in the ways you might think. Just being a straight guy there who likes feminine and attractive women is a social crime. The workplaces you are at are full of invasive people trying to coerce you into a Happy Hour or some form of hanging out where if you say no, you are not a "team player" so push that promotion goodbye.

The worst part about corporate life, I don't understand it, I thought a job was supposed to be just a job, not consume your life...

In all of that comes in this shaming towards cold approach. Anyone talking to a hot girl is somehow the equivalent of an Epstein. I am not kidding, the corporate Woke Mob in NYC feels that way.

Haven't spent a lot of time in corporate, that is a crazy thought process by corporate, outside of this forum, approaching girls in real life is alien to most men

I am in Miami now and objectively, it is a lot tougher here. Guys here look better and women here are more stuckup. On the other hand, it is also more relaxing and culturally laid back so things like approaching women and getting laid are not as socially frowned upon and don't have locals labeling you as an Epstein.

If I was to do Game in NYC, I would say yeah it is easier but:

• Make sure you do not need a corporate job
• Start your own business
• Find a remote job where you can live and work in NYC but do not have to interact with the Woke Corporate Mob

Then do Game.

I have a friend who did just that and he is regularly having success in NYC. It is objectively one of the best cities in North America for Game but when you live there and work in the corporate woke mob world of the city, it just deflates you. It is full of some of the nastiest and worst people in the entire country in that regard.

Rant over.

Do you not work in corporate anymore, or do you just work corporate in Miami now?

 

[Teevster]

Just don't approach girls while at work. Thats something you shouldn't do anyway.

Leftwing politics and feminism, as much as I disagree with a lot of their politics, is a total blessing for pick up.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

Women have always complained about not being approached... By guys that are attractive... The Virgin poster on forum good example..

 

[Atlas IV]

Ironically the world has come full circle.

In our parents and grandparents generation, cold approach was a totally normal way of meeting people.

Then femdom came along and created a generation of men who are deathly afraid of being considered creeps/accused of harassment.

Now women are complaining that they aren't getting approached.

And men are once again learning how to cold approach, but in a pussy way such as spam approaching and asking for IG.

Will we complete the circle and make proper cold approach normal again?

Unless the next generation decides to ditch social media, I doubt it... We will always be the tiny minority of men who are actually skilled at this.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

@Definitely_not_a_gymrat I have gone more into entrepreneurship but do some remote gigs (like contract work).

I think Chase has mentioned being a big fan of men starting their own business and I agree with him on this. Men should start their own business and become independent because the corporate world will overwhelm you. If you are in an office job, especially at a younger company, there will be that coercion to go and meet for drinks or have a Happy Hour so you can be a "team player".

This is why I think men should either become entrepreneurs or get a remote job where you do not have to actually interact with your coworkers. Most corporate places are woke and yes, to them, any guy approaching women in public is "harassment".

Cold approaching started to happen more naturally for me once I broke off from the corporate hivemind. It's just such a mindphuk when you have to see your coworkers over and over again and they saw you approach in public or at a given bar. Even the biggest cities can feel small. I have run into former coworkers before when I was out and about in Manhattan.

Once you break from that corporate hivemind and become more independent, it becomes almost a non-issue.

I have gone back to NYC before and managed to have a lot of fun cold approaching. Once you start doing that, you will find that there are a lot of women who are quite receptive and will meet you with a smile. NYC is also the only city I have been cold approached or opened by women in, has not happened for me anywhere else.

 

[Atatürk]

So apparently there's this thing on SoMe now where hotties are complaining that guys aren't approaching them IRL.

One bae walking in what looks like Central Park in NYC, saying her tits are bouncing and her skin is radiant, and that she's tired of not being noticed, and how she'd even take a catcall from a construction worker. Another chick in an orange dress back from a night out complaining that she's been ignored all night, and that guys should just "grab a boob, buy a drink, it's that simple" or something. And lastly, a cute brunette on TikTok complaining about the dating scene in NYC and how chicks are stealing finance dudes' salads in Midtown during lunchtime and looking them up on LinkedIn and hitting them up on there (their name is written on the salad or something).

If you filter out all the noise, like that Tea app where 1s and 2s complain about the dudes that rejected them, this seems like the result of #MeToo and all the DEI that was mainstreamed from the 2010s onwards, but also the more anti-male strands of feminism that are those currently in vogue.

I think it also has to do with the complete gender role reversal that we see in mainstream TV and movies of the last two decades or so (for movies where you can find solid masculine rolemodels, check out my Thoughts on recent movies thread), and all the campaigning against "toxic masculinity" but also the stories guys hear online of chicks showing DMs from guys and calling them out as creeps or even filming dudes approaching them and posting it online and doxxing the guy.

But if you filter it all out, I wanted to see the silver lining, which is that hotties are desperate because guys aren't approaching, which means, remembering to always calibrate to the girl (and not approach her in a fucking parking lot, or somewhere alone where - unless you know what you're doing like e.g. James D - she'll be afraid), get out there gents. There's no competition.

BARCODE CULTURE

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Women have always complained about not being approached... By guys that are attractive... The Virgin poster on forum good example..

There are also a lot of weirdo guys in the Game community that do not know how to approach women and do so in an uncalibrated way. I remember coming across it on my IG feed where this dude walks up to random girls as they are with their friends and tells them they are beautiful, the friends always cockblock. One of his vids is in Mary Brickell Village. Cold approach in Miami has devolved into more of this below:

The thing is men who have options and leverage do not really have a reason to cold approach women.

For example, one of my friends I used to Wing with a couple years ago would go through that cold approach grind with me. We would be out daygaming and all. Got some numbers, got some good interactions, but also got some rudeness and bad attitudes as well. He spent the time at the gym and built a nice online dating profile (restarting on all the apps) as well as a top tier IG.

Now he has 4 dates on average a week from just the apps and the women are usually in that 7 to 8 range, not 9s or 10s per se but solidly above average to where almost PUA guys will happily approach them.

When I met up with him again, he said that the rejections, occasional rudeness, or women just not being interested weighed on him so heavily when we would Game that he decided he is not wasting time with cold approach. He is set and can hit a triple digit laycount from the apps alone. He feels like he has leverage because he can just see the women he wants.

Obviously if the apps act funny and ban him, his leverage is gone and he will back on the grind.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

@Bismarck and @Skills

I think it is ultimately a game of leverage. Women want it, men want it, and both genders are in conflict for it. To men, leverage is ultimately not having to cold approach but rather getting to, big difference. A guy with dates lined up from the apps or other avenues can treat cold approach as a fun Game and be hyper choosy about the women he approaches. This is why a lot of the best cold approachers I know rarely do more than 10 sets a night in nightgame or even in daygame. Meanwhile, the newbies are doing sets left and right with the same openers.

At some point, women had leverage. In some environments, like sausagefests, women have a lot of leverage. With men bowing out and the successful high-value men often finding dates through the apps or other means, women are losing leverage. The same women, once they get more leverage, will be on TikTok being dramatic about a man who said hello to them.

I am not sure where this goes in the future. With more men bowing out of the dating game, sex robots potentially on the horizon, the Passport Bro movement, and so on, I think we might see the Femcel phenomenon get worse. For those that do not know, they actually have "Femcels" these days, female incels who are bitterly whining about men.

As for me, I see cold approach as a great opportunity to meet women that I cannot get from the apps but there is wanting to do with when you have options and having to do it when you do not. I have been in both and I prefer the former.

 

[Dark_Stallion]

@Definitely_not_a_gymrat I have gone more into entrepreneurship but do some remote gigs (like contract work).

I think Chase has mentioned being a big fan of men starting their own business and I agree with him on this. Men should start their own business and become independent because the corporate world will overwhelm you. If you are in an office job, especially at a younger company, there will be that coercion to go and meet for drinks or have a Happy Hour so you can be a "team player".

Tbh I can already see both yours and Chases points on this, also I feel like building your own business increases testosterone, while corporate does the exact opposite.

Already feel the Happy Hour coercion, I understand the reason behind it, to make sure a team gels smoothly and builds rapport, but happy hours have honestly become bs. Also why can’t you learn to gel with your team during work hours, it’s like you have to go do work(building team chemistry) but are getting unpaid for it. Absolute scam.

This is why I think men should either become entrepreneurs or get a remote job where you do not have to actually interact with your coworkers. Most corporate places are woke and yes, to them, any guy approaching women in public is "harassment".

Pretty stupid imo, whenever I would go to the city before my 9 to 5, I would approach in the mornings, once I was around my co workers no chance of that ever happening.

Cold approaching started to happen more naturally for me once I broke off from the corporate hivemind. It's just such a mindphuk when you have to see your coworkers over and over again and they saw you approach in public or at a given bar. Even the biggest cities can feel small. I have run into former coworkers before when I was out and about in Manhattan.

Total mindfuck yeah, tbh cold approach feels natural, some places I still have to learn to make it natural, like a full street stop, but pretty much any other place , approaching feels natural and right.

Did two gym approaches with women who were on machines I wanted, with LUSH teases, I was able to build instant spark and rapport with them, all through one simple tease. Didn’t number close but the gym is a social circle environment l, so I read a bit more carefully.

Once you break from that corporate hivemind and become more independent, it becomes almost a non-issue.

Craving this, currently saving up some money to invest in myself to put myself in the best position to start something of my own.

I have gone back to NYC before and managed to have a lot of fun cold approaching. Once you start doing that, you will find that there are a lot of women who are quite receptive and will meet you with a smile. NYC is also the only city I have been cold approached or opened by women in, has not happened for me anywhere else.

Haven’t been in the city enough for that to happen to me, usually go with family, one time I went with friends, went to places with 0 women, like empty bars.

 

[StrayDog]

So apparently there's this thing on SoMe now where hotties are complaining that guys aren't approaching them IRL.

One bae walking in what looks like Central Park in NYC, saying her tits are bouncing and her skin is radiant, and that she's tired of not being noticed, and how she'd even take a catcall from a construction worker. Another chick in an orange dress back from a night out complaining that she's been ignored all night, and that guys should just "grab a boob, buy a drink, it's that simple" or something. And lastly, a cute brunette on TikTok complaining about the dating scene in NYC and how chicks are stealing finance dudes' salads in Midtown during lunchtime and looking them up on LinkedIn and hitting them up on there (their name is written on the salad or something).

If you filter out all the noise, like that Tea app where 1s and 2s complain about the dudes that rejected them, this seems like the result of #MeToo and all the DEI that was mainstreamed from the 2010s onwards, but also the more anti-male strands of feminism that are those currently in vogue.

I think it also has to do with the complete gender role reversal that we see in mainstream TV and movies of the last two decades or so (for movies where you can find solid masculine rolemodels, check out my Thoughts on recent movies thread), and all the campaigning against "toxic masculinity" but also the stories guys hear online of chicks showing DMs from guys and calling them out as creeps or even filming dudes approaching them and posting it online and doxxing the guy.

But if you filter it all out, I wanted to see the silver lining, which is that hotties are desperate because guys aren't approaching, which means, remembering to always calibrate to the girl (and not approach her in a fucking parking lot, or somewhere alone where - unless you know what you're doing like e.g. James D - she'll be afraid), get out there gents. There's no competition.

I have had a number of women reject me (often cause they have BF or are married) say something around the lines of

"I don't want you to get the wrong idea though and not approach women. I think it's really cool you approached me, that takes a lot of guts and guys don't really do it anymore"

so even women who rejected me were thanking me for approaching them.

 

[Dark_Stallion]

I have had a number of women reject me (often cause they have BF or are married) say something around the lines of

"I don't want you to get the wrong idea though and not approach women. I think it's really cool you approached me, that takes a lot of guts and guys don't really do it anymore"

so even women who rejected me were thanking me for approaching them.

Haven’t gotten many women saying “please approach women”(still have gotten some) with these exact words,

But the majority of women are open to my conversation, and often excited to be talking to me.

Enough confirmation that these women want to be approached.

 

[Bismarck]

I have had a number of women reject me (often cause they have BF or are married) say something around the lines of

"I don't want you to get the wrong idea though and not approach women. I think it's really cool you approached me, that takes a lot of guts and guys don't really do it anymore"

so even women who rejected me were thanking me for approaching them.

I've had the exact same happen to me more than once.