How did you get started? Routine or "natural"?

[Smith]

Hey guys,

This is not a post to argue whether routine or 'natural' game is better. They both have their merits.
In my opinion, routine game is easier to use for beginners while 'natural' game (i.e. no routine) takes a little longer to develop and requires experience to build up your intuition.
They can both work pretty well, once you master seduction as a skill set.
When I first got started, I came across GC and some other seduction coaches, mainly James Marshall, John cooper, Liam Mcrae, Steve Jabba who teach principle based seduction with no canned lines and focus more on being in the moment and respond to the girl. I don't recall Chase focus a lot on routines as well.
So I have never tried out any routine stuff (except for some canned openers) , and recently received an email from Chase recommended another PUA Glenn Pearce's book SameDayLay.
After watching his video promotion, I was very compelled to buy his stuff since it seemed legit and Chase strongly recommended it, but being a poor student with little money to spare, I also don't want to pay money for stuff that I probably already know, So I have to do a little research to know more about him game before I spent my next week's grocery money to buy his book.
To my surprise, he teaches mainly routines and lines, and in his blog he argues that the only way to sharpen your skill is to learn these routines and learning this routines give you a great framework in understanding what women like and what work then eventually you will intuitively figure out things that are witty at a drop of a dime. So essentially, he's saying you need to understand the principles behind the routine and lines. So I guess you can think of routines as 'training wheels'.
I'm curious how you guys started your journey.
Did you start out with routines or 'natural' game? Feel free to share your experience.


- Smith

 

[Drck]

It all works, depending how you look at it. For example, you may memorize some routines and talk to the girl. But she doesn't "see" any routines, for her it is just an interaction. So, basically, as long as you talk to her and show an interest in her, it is good enough.

I used to listen a lot to Ross Jeffries "speed seduction". It is all good stuff, he is smart and developed good 'system', some of the NLP techniques I'm still using, and some of his stuff can be called brilliant. I read/listened to different authors, and even after that I was quite impressed with Chase's material.

But I believe in simplicity, therefore an average guy doesn't really need all that fancy seduction stuff. IMO it is more about understanding of the whole process of seduction than specific techniques or routines. There are couple of things an average guy should understand, and with this understanding he'll get by easily with plain trial and error (no routines, no techniques):

1. Abundance Mentality: or simply an exposure to lots of girls. The more girls a guy talks to the higher chances that he meets a girl who is interested he has. Remember, girls are also looking for guys

2. Assuming that she is a plain girl (and of course cute/silly/sexy), meaning that if she is looking for a guy she is not really looking for some sophisticated seduction. You like the other person, good - lets get together and see where it goes

3. What is she looking for in a guy? Again, if a guy is seeking complex understanding he could read books on this topic, and still have no clue what women want. Or he can look at it simply: She is looking for masculinity. That is is. A guy who does masculine things, who has a spine, who has his mind, who knows what he wants, and who is acting like a man. Who takes care of his appearance and health. Masculinity creates fundamentals and plenty of attraction. A masculine guy is not chasing by default because he is not needy at first place. He doesn't get overly hurt by rejection because he is mature enough and thus simply understands that it is her life and that she can makes her own choices. He eliminated childishness from his behavior. He simply moves on because he knows his own value.

4. Once she show an interest, a guy should be able to get physical. Get her on a date, get close to her and start touching/kissing her asap. This way he removes himself from the pool of Nice-and-slow-boring-Guys and he increases his sexual value. What else is there? That is it, no routines are needed, no "sexy" behavior, appearances or talks are needed - by touching her a guy is already talking sex. Again, masculine guy moves on fast by default because he is simply horny enough.

What else is there? That is it. Just basic and plain understanding. A guy works on Abundance Mentality, he simply goes out and meets lots of girls. He works on masculinity. Masculinity will generate huge attraction, he simply becomes more manly, he will represent values that women are seeking in men. By moving fast/getting fast physical he increases his sexual value. He doesn't waste any time, he has a strong desire for that girl and she can feel it quite well, and at the same time he can walk away from her anytime he wants. How many men like that she met in her entire life? My guess is not many. Most likely none...

 

[Flames]

There is nothing in anyone's material that you NEED to pay for. It's all practice practice practice.

The articles on Girls Chase are the best collection of any of the PUA stuff I've ever read (and I've read a lot). If you think there's any sort of manual for being 'good with women' then your wrong.

However if you must pay for this kind of material buy something Chase has written, he deserves it.

Routines suck and most girls don't like routine, they like abstract