How do I go from nice conversations to seductions?

[Orgasmatron]

I feel like I'm just having nice conversations with women rather than seducing them.

How do I move forwards?

 

[Toby2030]

Escalate the vibe.
- Sexual eye contact
- Slow down the pace of your voice towards a bedroomish voice.
- Move closer to her
- Touch her more
- Move the conversation towards more sexual topics
- Longer pauses
etc.

 

[ulrich]

What are you asking them to do, besides talking?

 

[Orgasmatron]

Escalate the vibe.
- Sexual eye contact
- Slow down the pace of your voice towards a bedroomish voice.
- Move closer to her
- Touch her more
- Move the conversation towards more sexual topics
- Longer pauses
etc.

Cool, thanks man.

I'm not doing very much of that at all.

I'm just being funny and chatty. I have good interactions, but they are more social than sexual.

So this is good, thanks for the list. I've got stuff to work on now.

Cheers

 

[Orgasmatron]

What are you asking them to do, besides talking?

That's a good question.

If you mean what am I literally asking them to do. Then the only question or request I have for them is to go on a date.

I don't think you mean that though.

I don't think I'm asking them to do anything.

And now you've asked that question, I don't really know what I should be asking them to do.

Do you mean, that I should be asking them to prove they are worthy of my interest? Stuff like that?

Or do you mean, more literally, am I asking them to do something, like come on a walk with me, for instance, to offer compliance?
I need to read up on compliance btw, very basic grasp of it atm.

 

[ulrich]

Or do you mean, more literally, am I asking them to do something, like come on a walk with me, for instance, to offer compliance?
I need to read up on compliance btw, very basic grasp of it atm.

Yeah, this is what I mean. Compliance.
Very good!! You’re grasping it.

There is nothing bad with having nice, normal, friendly conversations… but you have to use them as a step ladder to lead girls to something more.
You could even sexualize the conversation but nothing is going to happen if you don’t ask her to do things.

Start simple, ask girls to:
- Tell you her name
- Show you her hand
- Let you see her jewelry
- Tell you what does her tattoo mean
- Tell you something about them
- Move somewhere a few steps away
- Play with you


As you get more comfortable, you can start to:
- Let you touch her jewelry
- Give you her hand
- Introduce you to her friends
- Come with you for something quick
- Tell you her life story
- Play a role game
- Ask for her number

And even more advanced:
- Agree on a date
- Ask her to come with you
- Take her home

So you’re escalating the conversation, the touch and the compliance all together.

 

[Orgasmatron]

Yeah, this is what I mean. Compliance.
Very good!! You’re grasping it.

There is nothing bad with having nice, normal, friendly conversations… but you have to use them as a step ladder to lead girls to something more.
You could even sexualize the conversation but nothing is going to happen if you don’t ask her to do things.

Start simple, ask girls to:
- Tell you her name
- Show you her hand
- Let you see her jewelry
- Tell you what does her tattoo mean
- Tell you something about them
- Move somewhere a few steps away
- Play with you


As you get more comfortable, you can start to:
- Let you touch her jewelry
- Give you her hand
- Introduce you to her friends
- Come with you for something quick
- Tell you her life story
- Play a role game
- Ask for her number

And even more advanced:
- Agree on a date
- Ask her to come with you
- Take her home

So you’re escalating the conversation, the touch and the compliance all together.

Cool. Thanks, that's great.

So, as she does more and more things, such as share info about herself for example, then she becomes more and invested in the relationship that is developing between us.

If you don't give someone your name, then you don't really care about them at all. They don't even know your name.

But once you've done that then there is the beginning of a relationship between the two of you.

So if I then ask about her tattoo and she then reveals that it has a significant personal meaning to her (as tattoos often do) then she's given me something emotional and personal to her, so she has now got something to lose because she's exposed herself emotionally. Potentially, I could say that's a stupid reason to have that tattoo, or I could say wow, that's a cool reason to have that tattoo, so she has taken a risk by revealing something intimate to her, and then has contributed something to the relationship so she's got a little more to lose from decided to not continue with it.

So, If I encourage her to do this, by rewarding her with validation (wow, that's a cool reason to have your tattoo), which I guess is the same as a compliment, or reciprocity (share something about myself, so she doesn't feel it's all one way and she is getting something back), then I can build this relationship so she becomes more invested in it.

So I'm rewarding her for compliance, which then encourages more compliance.

And as she becomes more invested, then I can move things in the direction that I want, and she is more likely to go with it because she's more invested in it.

 

[ulrich]

@Orgasmatron, you’re getting it now

 

[Orgasmatron]

@Orgasmatron, you’re getting it now

Excellent.

Hopefully I'll be getting it in other ways soon!

 

[Glow]

You write conversations so i will stay with that path.
Conversationally u could follow rikers conversation framework. this will give you a more milestone plan or model to use. Most good methods have this in various ways. the idea is to realise that girls and attraction is a process that progressively develops over some steps and time periods. Chemical in the body too.

1. First be and ignite topics that are fun and interesting
2. Then move things or topics into feely and imaginative type topics
3. Then move it into sexy, sensual romantic topics

you seem stuck in the first one

reality is you wanna create a natural flow back and forward between these three w a major focus on the first initially to disarm thm and make them relax and open up. Or move them closer to flirty. later you can read the girls better and apply things more to her state, tactically. i work a five states model cozy taught me. But you need access to things to use that level of detail. And rikers model is a good initial model.

so from you fun and interesting interactions
try initially to move her into more imaginative states
then romantic sensual
learn to see that progressive evolvement
later you can fractionate back and forward more.

This gives you a plan for how to move things.

Its a smart way to anchor this in verbal part initially. later you can understand it in a broader sense and put more variety and broadness into it eg adding physical escalatory dimensions. This is the centre path though that leads things down a milestone path that works well.

ps: check rikers conversation program to learn this. Its some of the best material ive seen in pickup beyond sixtys. Do the work. Also itll teach you how to learn pickup - the level of work needed etc instead of this surface browsing many does.

 

[Orgasmatron]

You write conversations so i will stay with that path.
Conversationally u could follow rikers conversation framework. this will give you a more milestone plan or model to use. Most good methods have this in various ways. the idea is to realise that girls and attraction is a process that progressively develops over some steps and time periods. Chemical in the body too.

1. First be and ignite topics that are fun and interesting
2. Then move things or topics into feely and imaginative type topics
3. Then move it into sexy, sensual romantic topics

you seem stuck in the first one

reality is you wanna create a natural flow back and forward between these three w a major focus on the first initially to disarm thm and make them relax and open up. Or move them closer to flirty. later you can read the girls better and apply things more to her state, tactically. i work a five states model cozy taught me. But you need access to things to use that level of detail. And rikers model is a good initial model.

so from you fun and interesting interactions
try initially to move her into more imaginative states
then romantic sensual
learn to see that progressive evolvement
later you can fractionate back and forward more.

This gives you a plan for how to move things.

Its a smart way to anchor this in verbal part initially. later you can understand it in a broader sense and put more variety and broadness into it eg adding physical escalatory dimensions. This is the centre path though that leads things down a milestone path that works well.

ps: check rikers conversation program to learn this. Its some of the best material ive seen in pickup beyond sixtys. Do the work. Also itll teach you how to learn pickup - the level of work needed etc instead of this surface browsing many does.

Brilliant.

Thanks for this

Yes, I'm definitely stuck on the first stage.
And I don't have a strategy to escalate things so this is great.

I'll check out Riker's stuff.

I've started Gunwitch's audio SMMA so I think that will help too.

Thanks for the info.

Cheers

 

[Skjöldr]

@Glow im curious about this Riker program, where can i find it?

Edit: I found it. The guy's name is "Dave Riker" and his program is called "Dave Riker's Speed Seduction® Technical Manual"

 

[Toby2030]

@Glow im curious about this Riker program, where can i find it?

Edit: I found it. The guy's name is "Dave Riker" and his program is called "Dave Riker's Speed Seduction® Technical Manual"

Start with the language course

 

[Orgasmatron]

Start simple, ask girls to:
- Tell you her name
- Show you her hand
- Let you see her jewelry
- Tell you what does her tattoo mean
- Tell you something about them
- Move somewhere a few steps away
- Play with you


As you get more comfortable, you can start to:
- Let you touch her jewelry
- Give you her hand
- Introduce you to her friends
- Come with you for something quick
- Tell you her life story
- Play a role game
- Ask for her number

Hey @uriel

You mentioned 'play with you' and 'play a role game'

I don't know what you mean by that. Could you explain please?

I did a site search for 'role game' but I could find anything.

Thanks

 

[Orgasmatron]

Hey @Glow & @DML

I've just skimmed the sales blurb, but it looks like the technical course is a theory overview sort of course and the language and conversation course is more of a practical course about structuring conversation. Is that right?

And go for the language and conversation course. Yes?

 

[ulrich]

Hey @uriel

You mentioned 'play with you' and 'play a role game'

I don't know what you mean by that. Could you explain please?

I did a site search for 'role game' but I could find anything.

Thanks

Sure.

By play a game you could try thumb wars, Rock Paper Scissors or something similar.
There are some famous seduction routines like “The cube” where you ask a girl to imagine something and then ask increasingly personal questions then do a cold read… those are good.

For role play, you could tell her something like:

- “Hey, starting today you are going to be my XXX”
(that could be bodyguard, student, style consultant, bar wife, groupie, whatever… the point is you have a playful dynamic where she is teaming with you… extra points if you have status or authority over her).

Then you keep the conversation playing while keeping character.
If she plays along, she is complying.

 

[Skjöldr]

@DML "LANGUAGE AND CONVERSATION COURSE (WORKBOOK)" is the name, right?

 

[Orgasmatron]

Sure.

By play a game you could try thumb wars, Rock Paper Scissors or something similar.
There are some famous seduction routines like “The cube” where you ask a girl to imagine something and then ask increasingly personal questions then do a cold read… those are good.

For role play, you could tell her something like:

- “Hey, starting today you are going to be my XXX”
(that could be bodyguard, student, style consultant, bar wife, groupie, whatever… the point is you have a playful dynamic where she is teaming with you… extra points if you have status or authority over her).

Then you keep the conversation playing while keeping character.
If she plays along, she is complying.

That's great, thanks.

I used to play thumbs wars and rock paper scissors sometimes with my ex, it was fun.
You've got the whole doing a fun silly thing together vibe going, cool.

I've just been reading about 'the cube'.
That's pretty cool. I can see how things like that would be really good to use.

And for the role play, I can see there are a lot of possibilities there.

Excellent
Cheers dude!

 

[Will_V]

Don't forget about sexual intent. When the right context is applied, there's nothing more seductive to a woman than knowing that she is very much desired.

Remember it's very rare for a woman to be in a sexual state with some stranger or in public. She's in social mode, and that means that by default she's thinking social things, evaluating you on a social basis, and expecting things to operate in a social context. There are many things that are on the table in a purely social context, but going home to bang isn't one of them.

I don't know about other guys, but I get very uncomfortable when things get too social between me and a woman I'm trying to seduce. It feels wrong, disappointing, deflating. I start to wonder if I'm being dishonest. I'm not comfortable until there's a bit of tension there, until I feel my blood running, until I see a little of that wide-eyed hesitancy in her that comes when she subconsciously realizes that she is in the middle of a sexual interaction.

Of course, managing this tension is difficult. It has to be subtle, you have to be ultra comfortable with it, and it has to be offset with the right amount of warmth, 'innocent' curiosity and playfulness. But I think it's difficult to have a good seduction without it, and it greases wheels that otherwise would be very difficult to move.

 

[Toby2030]

Hey @Glow & @DML

I've just skimmed the sales blurb, but it looks like the technical course is a theory overview sort of course and the language and conversation course is more of a practical course about structuring conversation. Is that right?

And go for the language and conversation course. Yes?

I have never done the technical course but I got recommended to start with the language course by teevster when I choose to go in this direction. Hence, I don't know the difference in detail.

@DML "LANGUAGE AND CONVERSATION COURSE (WORKBOOK)" is the name, right?

Dave Riker - Speed Seduction Language & Conversation Course

www.daveriker.com

It's more than a workbook. It also includes 11 hours of lectures.