How long have you been studying girlschase/game/seduction?
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I've been wondering how to pick up women since back in 2009 back in high school. I read psychology and just about everything relevant in 2010, I thought mainstream dating advice wasn't working. I read "The Game" the summer of 2011 and I stumbled up girlschase around late 2011 and began seriously reading and implementing in what I learned in 2012. Currently I'm doing heavy researching and looking to write my own book.
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I'm much the same as Just_Dave, I was wondering around 2009 in high school. However, mainstream dating advice didn't seem to work, girls advice didn't work and the list continues. I discovered girlschase early 2012 and began to study/experiment some of the ideas. This website has helped a ton, and just reading a few articles and trying out the concepts can help boost a guy. I don't have a ton of time during the semesters (college, work, etc) to go out, except during the few times on the weekends that I could and during breaks.
I also started in 2009, but I was in college.
In high school girls loved me (though I dated none) so there wasn't really a reason for me to read on how to attract a woman. But in college when I started to go after girls...it was terrible. I made every "good guy" mistake in the book. The results really confused me. It wasn't until I got my heartbroken with a love letter (yes I was that much of a noob) that I finally googled how to pickup women.
In 2009, I read all the Mystery and "The Game" stuff online. It all made sense to me finally! But when I did bootcamps or one-on-one coaching I was disappointed. First of all the character of the coaches were questionable and finally they didn't seem that smart or able to pickup chicks. It seemed like they just regurgitated all the stuff they read online and tried to act like they were the man. Meeting random people from traditional PUA forums made me think this was all a joke. In the end, I loved the theory, but the real world stuff I saw left me questioning it.
It wasn't until I started to read some non-traditional PUA stuff in 2012 that I started to get results (Brent Smith Lifestyle, Good Looking Loser, etc.) I found GirlsChase in 2013 and has been my favorite material yet.
In high school girls loved me (though I dated none) so there wasn't really a reason for me to read on how to attract a woman. But in college when I started to go after girls...it was terrible. I made every "good guy" mistake in the book. The results really confused me. It wasn't until I got my heartbroken with a love letter (yes I was that much of a noob) that I finally googled how to pickup women.
In 2009, I read all the Mystery and "The Game" stuff online. It all made sense to me finally! But when I did bootcamps or one-on-one coaching I was disappointed. First of all the character of the coaches were questionable and finally they didn't seem that smart or able to pickup chicks. It seemed like they just regurgitated all the stuff they read online and tried to act like they were the man. Meeting random people from traditional PUA forums made me think this was all a joke. In the end, I loved the theory, but the real world stuff I saw left me questioning it.
It wasn't until I started to read some non-traditional PUA stuff in 2012 that I started to get results (Brent Smith Lifestyle, Good Looking Loser, etc.) I found GirlsChase in 2013 and has been my favorite material yet.
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Really? I always got the feeling that this forum was mostly people who spent a year or two trying out the traditional stuff until they give it up once they find this site.
But then again, you are 18. Consider yourself lucky to have found this site so soon and not following all the other PUA crap out there.
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Really? I always got the feeling that this forum was mostly people who spent a year or two trying out the traditional stuff until they give it up once they find this site.
But then again, you are 18. Consider yourself lucky to have found this site so soon and not following all the other PUA crap out there.
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Found GirlsChase in early 2012, but have been studying seriously for just two and a half months.
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Re: school reunion next week
Actually i read a book by Neil Strauss when i was 16. I didn't really like him and he put me off PUA forever. I found Girls Chase last year, and i feel this is different than PUA.
We've all been there
don't worry about it.
(Oddly enough, the girl loved it when i wrote poetry and love letters for her. She thought it was really sweet. But i was too scared to do anything about it).
metomeya said:
Actually i read a book by Neil Strauss when i was 16. I didn't really like him and he put me off PUA forever. I found Girls Chase last year, and i feel this is different than PUA.
metomeya said:
We've all been there
don't worry about it.(Oddly enough, the girl loved it when i wrote poetry and love letters for her. She thought it was really sweet. But i was too scared to do anything about it).
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I did not study any seduction material nor knew what a PUA was until discovering girlschase in February. Googled what the friendzone was and started reading the only well-designed and written website I saw, girlschase! Started approaching in August after the articles changed my perspective.
Girlschase takes the cake in terms of article content, other sites lack detail in breaking down social interactions. Been watching The Gambler's PUA Training youtube channel for nightgame approaches though.
Girlschase takes the cake in terms of article content, other sites lack detail in breaking down social interactions. Been watching The Gambler's PUA Training youtube channel for nightgame approaches though.
@Barry1 - Amen! I was surprised with Gambler. I thought he was just a London version of Mystery. But his stuff really makes sense and is easy to implement. Good stuff, that I don't see anywhere else.
@Ryan - The girl loved my love letter. But she also loved breaking my heart as well! Actually, she had feelings for me so the love letter did work. It was my mistakes afterwards that cost me everything. I think love letters can be too risky and are unnecessary. Plus the older you get the more creepy it comes off.
If you don't call GirlsChase's stuff PUA, what do you call it? Just wondering. I refer to it as nontraditional PUA stuff. I wonder what Chase would call it. A seduction site? Pickup Artist does sound cheesy.
@Ryan - The girl loved my love letter. But she also loved breaking my heart as well! Actually, she had feelings for me so the love letter did work. It was my mistakes afterwards that cost me everything. I think love letters can be too risky and are unnecessary. Plus the older you get the more creepy it comes off.
If you don't call GirlsChase's stuff PUA, what do you call it? Just wondering. I refer to it as nontraditional PUA stuff. I wonder what Chase would call it. A seduction site? Pickup Artist does sound cheesy.
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metomeya said:
Probably a self-improvement or personal development site. I hate 'pick-up' and 'game'. Sounds so vulgar.
Maybe there is something to love letters? I've written two or three when i was much younger and they always seem to be golden. Though i could never work out how to follow up. I know it's results not reactions, but maybe Chase could investigate this for a bit?
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I found GC in December of 2012 and started practicing a little here and there while continuing to read articles constantly. Goodness I still read articles constantly which is probably a bad thing (need to get more of my own thoughts going through my head and some feedback of the such). Luckily my subscription expired recently so maybe that's a sign too get a month of game without any outside influence for once.
To answer the question I've been studying and practicing with intent since about April of 2013. This stuff is tough but an awesome challenge. The coolest part is after you discover GC you can't really forget it and go back it kind of lingers in the back of your mind wherever you may be socializing.
To answer the question I've been studying and practicing with intent since about April of 2013. This stuff is tough but an awesome challenge. The coolest part is after you discover GC you can't really forget it and go back it kind of lingers in the back of your mind wherever you may be socializing.
@Ryan - Both terms are accurate to a degree, but it is still a site geared towards picking up women. I would think the word "seduction" would sound more accurate, but the "seduction community" sounds like something from the 70s.
Ya, but you said you wrote them when you were younger. I think age is a big factor. Also it kind of goes against the whole idea of girls chasing you. Well, actually, if you made it sound like you had some deep, dark secret in the love letter and then cut off all communication with her...I'm sure any girl would be dying to know what it is.
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Ya, but you said you wrote them when you were younger. I think age is a big factor. Also it kind of goes against the whole idea of girls chasing you. Well, actually, if you made it sound like you had some deep, dark secret in the love letter and then cut off all communication with her...I'm sure any girl would be dying to know what it is.
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I was always put off by anything PUA related because everything seemed so gimmicky and complex. Found this site around 20 October 2013 and I have to say that Chase is a great teacher. Read and took notes on the ebook for 2 weeks, before spending an entire month just reading, note-taking, learning, and absorbing information from all the articles on the blog. I've toned down the reading to the ESSENTIALS because I've noticed a diminishing returns phenomena with myself particularly. Will be using this month break to apply what I've learned so that I can actually make something happen when I get back to college where poor little girlies won't know what hit em
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Must've been around March of 2013 that I discovered this site, after all, my first forum post was in April.
I started my journal on June 26, and have been improving my social skills since then (about 5 months so far).
I started my journal on June 26, and have been improving my social skills since then (about 5 months so far).
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Ryan,
Just so you have an idea, I discovered GirlsChase back in April of 2012. I began extensively reading it in May/June of that year, and then I went out and began extensively field-testing the material in early July of that year.
And if you would like further information, I got my first cold approach lay in September of 2012, and I met my first girlfriend (after discovering GC) in June of 2013. I also consider this to be a relatively "faster" timetable since I am a fast learner and also had prior social experience/success.
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Just so you have an idea, I discovered GirlsChase back in April of 2012. I began extensively reading it in May/June of that year, and then I went out and began extensively field-testing the material in early July of that year.
And if you would like further information, I got my first cold approach lay in September of 2012, and I met my first girlfriend (after discovering GC) in June of 2013. I also consider this to be a relatively "faster" timetable since I am a fast learner and also had prior social experience/success.
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Franco,
Perhaps this is too broad a question, but do you think that a man's age at finding GC and prior social experience affects the learning curve with this material? How so? I'm in my mid 20's (about to be late 20's soon enough) and I feel very behind in getting with women/sleeping with them, yet also am finding it harder to really, truly internalize some of the concepts. Maybe it takes more time than I had thought?
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Discovered GC after some Google search (I think it was "how to get laid" hahaha) in Late November, 2012. I did my first cold approach in January 2013, and didn't start again until my newbie assignment in March, 2013. Had my first LR- in June of the same year. As far as progress right now, I'm able to get dates with ease, but my sticky points are going home with a girl and overcoming LMR. I've labeled LR's where they should have been LR-'s, looking back on it, and I think I've given the idea that I'm not a virgin. If I didn't have performance anxiety, I'd be at about 3 full LR's. Though, the total number would be higher because I'd have been more comfortable with sex.
Prior social experience/success is definitely part of it. But what I've been thinking more and more lately, is that just as there are "naturals" in seduction, there are also "naturals" in learning skills overall. I'd be interested to hear if you consciously had a "learning strategy" to seduction, or you just said "I'm learning this as fast as possible", Franco. Might as well ask that to Tool and Zphix, too, since they killed it in terms of fast progress.Franco said:
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ozzo,
Sure. In general, the older you are, the more comfortable you are in your own shoes. You've also experienced more, and you've had to deal with more (both good and bad things), so you can take a more "focused" approach toward improving your social skills with women and people in general. You'll tend to hone in on concepts a lot faster, and you'll be able to relate to a lot of the stories (of both failure and success) that are shared across the community and in the articles. This will help you get past "sticking points" more quickly because you'll already have a narrowed down idea of where your problems lie, so you can spend more time working on fixing them rather than trying to figure out what they are.
If you've noticed, most of the younger members on the board have trouble with figuring out what their issues are and why they aren't succeeding with women -- while with older members, the problems often seem to be more with "changing" past bad habits and becoming a bit of a new person. But they are changing these habits because they realize they are bad and life has shown them that what is taught here is consistent with what they've experienced or what they've observed by their current age.
I discovered GC last year when I was 24 and I am currently 25, so you are not far behind at all =). As a matter of fact, I think the perfect age to begin learning this stuff is at 18, when you are "legally of age," able to venture off on your own, and don't have to worry about the stress of the massive social circle that is high school. I wish I could have started reading this blog back then, but I'm just glad I was able to come across it at a time when I really needed it. But what's great about the material is that it really can be learned at almost any significant period in your life; it's just a matter of putting the effort and time toward it that it takes to become good at it.
PD,
Chase gives you all the strategy you need here. You just need to be a good student, read the material, RE-read the material, and then go out and religiously practice it. Now, what I DID have was a great source of determination and motivation. There are two things that drove me to keep trying:
Those would be two of the biggest "strategies" to my success. It was all about having the correct mindset towards learning the skill. The first step is to trust and believe that the material works. And we have enough successful members on the boards now to prove that. The second step is to be angry with imperfection. Don't accept anything less than what you really want to become. Make yourself go back out there until you execute the way you SHOULD be executing.
Hope that helps. =)
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Sure. In general, the older you are, the more comfortable you are in your own shoes. You've also experienced more, and you've had to deal with more (both good and bad things), so you can take a more "focused" approach toward improving your social skills with women and people in general. You'll tend to hone in on concepts a lot faster, and you'll be able to relate to a lot of the stories (of both failure and success) that are shared across the community and in the articles. This will help you get past "sticking points" more quickly because you'll already have a narrowed down idea of where your problems lie, so you can spend more time working on fixing them rather than trying to figure out what they are.
If you've noticed, most of the younger members on the board have trouble with figuring out what their issues are and why they aren't succeeding with women -- while with older members, the problems often seem to be more with "changing" past bad habits and becoming a bit of a new person. But they are changing these habits because they realize they are bad and life has shown them that what is taught here is consistent with what they've experienced or what they've observed by their current age.
I discovered GC last year when I was 24 and I am currently 25, so you are not far behind at all =). As a matter of fact, I think the perfect age to begin learning this stuff is at 18, when you are "legally of age," able to venture off on your own, and don't have to worry about the stress of the massive social circle that is high school. I wish I could have started reading this blog back then, but I'm just glad I was able to come across it at a time when I really needed it. But what's great about the material is that it really can be learned at almost any significant period in your life; it's just a matter of putting the effort and time toward it that it takes to become good at it.
PD,
Chase gives you all the strategy you need here. You just need to be a good student, read the material, RE-read the material, and then go out and religiously practice it. Now, what I DID have was a great source of determination and motivation. There are two things that drove me to keep trying:
- 1) I'm very passionate about being good at the things I WANT to be good at. When I was presented with this website and the opportunity to finally understand what women wanted, I had a driving desire to make it happen, regardless of how long it would take. You must absolutely believe and trust that the material works deep down. I've already mentioned to Chase that an article should be written about this, but you really need to BELIEVE that this stuff works and that it IS what women really want. You can tell the difference between the members who have success here and the ones who don't: the ones who are having success knew from the beginning the material was correct. So whenever they failed to get a girl, they blamed it on THEMSELVES rather than the material. They knew they had to execute better rather than come on the forums and complain about how they've tried something and they don't think it works. So trust the material.
2) You have to be extremely upset with yourself when you fail to reach each of your short-term goals. I would come home from several of the first few weekends literally yelling at myself things such as, "WHY didn't you approach that girl? You had GREAT eye contact and she obviously wanted to talk to you, but you didn't man up! Fuck this! I WILL NOT let this shit happen next weekend!" I believe one member on the forums linked a motivational video by Ray Lewis (the football player) where he talks about being angry with yourself when you don't succeed. You can't be happy with anything less than success -- never settle for less.
Those would be two of the biggest "strategies" to my success. It was all about having the correct mindset towards learning the skill. The first step is to trust and believe that the material works. And we have enough successful members on the boards now to prove that. The second step is to be angry with imperfection. Don't accept anything less than what you really want to become. Make yourself go back out there until you execute the way you SHOULD be executing.
Hope that helps. =)
- Franco