In my view young girls are the hottest, especially girls in that 18-19 range when they are so bubbly and full of life.
But I am having trouble gaming them using standard game tactics. I think these are some of the issues.
1. Young girls don’t know dating scripts as well. They will be less calibrated with word games and unsure how to react in some situations when getting hit on. That awkwardness can be a turn off unless you recognize it and diffuse it, as she will state transfer it onto you.
2. young girls are hungry for emotion and less so mental games. That means you need to spike much more and act a bit more crazy/daring/physical
3.young girls, the cute ones, are often in cliques. In fact, these girls are often the “pretty one” in their clique and used to their every move being scrutinized. If you separate them from their group that can feel like death. Also, if her friends think she is a slut, that can also feel like death to her. If you want to lay her, you have to ascend to the top of her friends group’s social hierarchy, if she’s with them. I don’t think there’s a short cut. Open to thoughts here.
4. Young girls are shy, so you need to build comfort with compliments and kino. They haven’t usually built up a “bitch shield” that needs to be passed with shit tests. Similarly, when they shit test, you can’t do elegant nerdy stuff to pass it. You need to pass it
on the rawest emotional level. I feel like young girls weed out the nerdy poindexter guys from those who are really natural and bathed in good emotion.
5. The harder you try, the worse you look. There is no low value frame for talking to young girls. You will look like a loser. You need to be a cool older guy who just happens to take an interest in these slightly dorky naive creatures but has a full and satisfying life that he will leave for on a dime. Alternatively, if you genuinely don’t give a fuck and are a child at heart, maybe that can be calibrated as well. You want to avoid being a creepy loser that is trying to “get into” their circle to leach value. This will be really tough not to do if you were lame in high school and college (many many guys in game)
I did agree with Chase’s article on young girls
That you shouldn’t DHV too much, let her talk and tease a bit, provide light life advicd, do asshole game (which I take as spiking emotionally).
I’m curious what people think?
I’m also looking for verbal scripts to use.
Obviously, old school PUA routines about david Bowie are too cerebral and unemotional and going over these girls heads. They’re going over my head!
Some things might be evergreen though.
1. little sister frame. Super nice way to disqualify after a compliment or direct game. Ohhh you’re my little sister, so adorable, I’m going to adopt you and take you to America (e.g. if you’re in Europe). I think this is perfect for young girls and very congruent.
2. Is she always like this? To her friends, jokingly, to win them on your side.
Any others?
Kind of a mini FR:
Had a set in a hostel with some younger folks and I feel like I failed to do a couple things. The situation was they were there for a school celebration.
First, I failed to be honest about my intentions and have the right frame. I watched them very indirectly while partying pretending not to notice, then only later indirectly approached them as a group. I actually approached multiple times this way.
Second, I failed to win the group over. Part of this is language barrier — you have to get the group to speak in your language or you look like a fool. Also, I was generally too shy (not congruent with being an older man) and this girl I was into was with her friend— who maybe didn’t like me because she was insecure about not speaking good English.
Third, and consequently from the above I think, I failed to isolate the girl I was most into.
Fourth, I didn’t ask names. If I did this earlier on in the set, it might have normalized things a bit. Or even just given each of them nicknames.
despite all the DLV and neediness of wanting to play in their group, the girl I liked most was still waving me bye at the end when they left which tells me I could have certainly pushed harder to isolate her and polarize. Certainly she would be curious to meet a relatively rich worldly older American man, which she wouldn’t normally get to meet.
So in summary, next time I’m in this weird situation, go hard on the open to be more congruent. Ask names. Keep things in English. Pump up the state of the insecure friend. Isolate and just have fun.
But I am having trouble gaming them using standard game tactics. I think these are some of the issues.
1. Young girls don’t know dating scripts as well. They will be less calibrated with word games and unsure how to react in some situations when getting hit on. That awkwardness can be a turn off unless you recognize it and diffuse it, as she will state transfer it onto you.
2. young girls are hungry for emotion and less so mental games. That means you need to spike much more and act a bit more crazy/daring/physical
3.young girls, the cute ones, are often in cliques. In fact, these girls are often the “pretty one” in their clique and used to their every move being scrutinized. If you separate them from their group that can feel like death. Also, if her friends think she is a slut, that can also feel like death to her. If you want to lay her, you have to ascend to the top of her friends group’s social hierarchy, if she’s with them. I don’t think there’s a short cut. Open to thoughts here.
4. Young girls are shy, so you need to build comfort with compliments and kino. They haven’t usually built up a “bitch shield” that needs to be passed with shit tests. Similarly, when they shit test, you can’t do elegant nerdy stuff to pass it. You need to pass it
on the rawest emotional level. I feel like young girls weed out the nerdy poindexter guys from those who are really natural and bathed in good emotion.
5. The harder you try, the worse you look. There is no low value frame for talking to young girls. You will look like a loser. You need to be a cool older guy who just happens to take an interest in these slightly dorky naive creatures but has a full and satisfying life that he will leave for on a dime. Alternatively, if you genuinely don’t give a fuck and are a child at heart, maybe that can be calibrated as well. You want to avoid being a creepy loser that is trying to “get into” their circle to leach value. This will be really tough not to do if you were lame in high school and college (many many guys in game)
I did agree with Chase’s article on young girls
That you shouldn’t DHV too much, let her talk and tease a bit, provide light life advicd, do asshole game (which I take as spiking emotionally).
I’m curious what people think?
I’m also looking for verbal scripts to use.
Obviously, old school PUA routines about david Bowie are too cerebral and unemotional and going over these girls heads. They’re going over my head!
Some things might be evergreen though.
1. little sister frame. Super nice way to disqualify after a compliment or direct game. Ohhh you’re my little sister, so adorable, I’m going to adopt you and take you to America (e.g. if you’re in Europe). I think this is perfect for young girls and very congruent.
2. Is she always like this? To her friends, jokingly, to win them on your side.
Any others?
Kind of a mini FR:
Had a set in a hostel with some younger folks and I feel like I failed to do a couple things. The situation was they were there for a school celebration.
First, I failed to be honest about my intentions and have the right frame. I watched them very indirectly while partying pretending not to notice, then only later indirectly approached them as a group. I actually approached multiple times this way.
Second, I failed to win the group over. Part of this is language barrier — you have to get the group to speak in your language or you look like a fool. Also, I was generally too shy (not congruent with being an older man) and this girl I was into was with her friend— who maybe didn’t like me because she was insecure about not speaking good English.
Third, and consequently from the above I think, I failed to isolate the girl I was most into.
Fourth, I didn’t ask names. If I did this earlier on in the set, it might have normalized things a bit. Or even just given each of them nicknames.
despite all the DLV and neediness of wanting to play in their group, the girl I liked most was still waving me bye at the end when they left which tells me I could have certainly pushed harder to isolate her and polarize. Certainly she would be curious to meet a relatively rich worldly older American man, which she wouldn’t normally get to meet.
So in summary, next time I’m in this weird situation, go hard on the open to be more congruent. Ask names. Keep things in English. Pump up the state of the insecure friend. Isolate and just have fun.
