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I straight up got nothing but flakes for about 8 months straight.
I was going mad. What the fuck was wrong?
I was doing everything right.
All the infields looked exactly like my sets.
There was ALMOST nothing that really went in depth about this.
Just crumbs and incomplete theories.
A bunch of loose ends.
Now...
I. Never. Get. Flaked.
It just doesn't happen.
If I run the set well and in my mind, I'm not gonna get flaked, I never do.
I completely fixed this problem, that "floating/not real set" issue completely.
I also helped many people fix this in my local area and I'll share the info with you.
I'll fix this once and for all.
(PS: I'm sorry for that one exception out of a thousand girls that lost her mother in a camp fire later that day, got drunk, got back with her ex, cried herself to insanity when she sobered up and hung herself to end her misery and thus couldn't text you back. "She just wasn't into you, bro. You have the wrong skin-color.")
How to Never Get Flaked?
Now, my old game modal was this: Open, hook, vibe, close. Great. Amazing. Opened well... Sets hooked amazingly. Had a great vibe. Everyone was having one. Girls were enthusiastic. What was missing? They were really in love with me and one day later they didn't even know me?
I missed a critical component. A "IQ" phase. Investment and Qualification that comes right after vibing. That really opened up everything.
Now the vibe phase is basically no thought, vibing, having a good vibe, getting comfortable, you enjoying the set part and after that you get into investment phase. Where basically you can only speak 20% of the time. This is critical. The original idea is 20 to 50 percent but 50 is way too high. Honestly you can get away with 5/95, so don't wuss out on 20%. It's super comfortable. You just ask questions and enjoy your time, judging the girl.
Now. Investment is NOT rapport. It could be. It could be combined into one. But I'm just sharing the methodology with which I've fully solved this problem so nothing could be confused. Investment is JUST she investing into the conversation. By logical decisions, buy-ins, actively filling silences, she giving information and talking to you, she leaning in more than you do, she complying with your demands. (I always make girls buy me drinks/coffee/food, lol.) You're making her value you / love you more and more and being more real in her mind. The more she works for you and for the interaction, the more she wants it and rationalizes it well.
Before the investment phase, I was simply talking too much. I was too in love with the validation, their good reactions, my own amusement and my million dollar mouth piece. Just in love with it. I wasn't letting them invest into the conversation at all, just an entertainer. Not a real person. Not someone they worked for and someone who has zero value for them. Attraction is investment. It's buy-in. The more you're bought into something, the more valuable it will be for you. The more you'll love it. (That's why women self hypnotize themselves to stay with a shitty BF, because of prior investment.)
Here is a line I love: Tell me 3 things you LOVE about me.
Dude.
This could be most killer line in all of pickup you've ever been thought.
Write that shit down.
Tattoo that shit.
Literally the things she will come up at that point will be what she remembers about you (investment is by far the most important component of pickup), and the reasons she will think about you. It's fucking brilliant. And it's so easy to get verbal, logical buy-in when she'in the moment with emotions. When the emotions fleet away, the investment and the decisions, the buy-ins remain.
Now you have to QUALIFY the girl. Honestly the more real the qualifications are the better but I was just too lazy with it. Steal my line. "I love your energy." "You have an absolutely great energy about you. I loved every single second of talking to you. It's interesting. Do you feel the same?" (She will as she's talking intently for the last however minutes and is into you. You're getting verbal buy-in, more compliance and INVESTMENT.) "I just love your energy. It's hard to describe. I just really liked the conversation."
And the variations of I love your energy line.
Guys...
She needs a reason for you to like her to rationalize the interaction in her mind. And the more high value you are, the weirder it gets. The more you need to qualify her. This was one of my most crucial problems. Fix this and the world will be yours.
I was this massive pimp and my value was way higher than hers and a lot of the times, we would be from different tribes. You really need to form a connection, qualify a girl the more it is unnatural to qualify her. (LOL.)
If everything clicks, qualification is natural. She automatically impresses you or says something cool. But unfortunately with most random girls, you'll have to actively do it.
Now I've later learned more advanced forms of qualification (Thanks Adam Lyons) but that is beyond the scope of this writing. To never get flaked this is what you need.
Now let's move onto being boring. We can also say this as being real.
I've learned this trick from a RSDTyler video. He said I'm gonna say something cooky. When I know, I'm not gonna get a SNL. I'll just drop down everything, I'll not state-pump her, spike her and be 100% chody. Just bs, boring, real talk. I find that if I do that, my flake rate goes down an incredible percent.
(Because deep down, she knows you're a facade and she won't relate to you or anything you did out of the moment, out of state, out of pumped emotions. But when she feels real normal, she'll remember the real/normal you. And she will most definitely remember her investment and her rationalizations.)
She has to remember you when she's out of state.
As I do daygame 95% of the time, this just meant being real. The more boring you are, the more she invests into the boring you, you will have incredible absurdly godly value in her eyes. Because she loves you. Because you have the best elbows. Because your balding hairline is the best the continent has to offer.
She'll make up her own reasons (or you can force logical buy-in with your qualifying question of tell me what you LOVE about me). If she's down with the boring you, she's down for anything. (She will be if you open strong and just ease into the vibe and investment phases. DON'T OVERGAME. Just DULL IT DOWN. I have a switch in my mind. Investment time. Boring time. If your infield is impressive or entertaining you're doing something wrong.
Attraction is a way to get investment into YOU. Not into the attraction material. (My biggest mistake, and the mistake 99% of guys do. They just keep running attraction material but after they're hooked, if you don't see it and make it real/boring, they see you're just a monkey and not a real guy. They'll invest into the material not you, and the moment the material/emotions go away, so do you. Get your feet into the door with your game and then just lean back and let her game you.
Just be real. Talk about her fears, be boring, tell her about your life. Don't talk sometimes. Just look into her eyes. Create a vacuum. Smile. She'll awkwardly try to re-engage the conversation or blush and ask why are you looking at me like that all excited/aroused & attracted. Trust me homies.
A few years after this discovery I had a saying, if you don't know her deepest fears and she won't know yours you're not gonna fuck her. Now, this is obviously not true and is more into Deep Rapport (Deep Diving) which is related to our topic but isn't in this methodology so I'll keep it out of it. But the idea I wanna convey with this statement is that you have to make the interaction real. You have to know her and she has to know you. In a real way. Not a floaty, PUA bullshit, spiky way.
Now the core concept here is this. You can 80% build rapport and 20% break rapport. Just be boring and do normal convos and then do really sexual eye contact and drop a sexual line. "I don't know how you make me feel but it's not good. Why do you do that?" Deep eye contact, deep voice and a smile.
Or you can tease her. Disqualify her. Push-pull her. Push her away. "That is fucking terrible. I don't know why I like you so much. It's sickening." "Wow I thought, I liked you. I think we should just be friends." Etc. Just break rapport when she says something appropriate. USE SPARINGLY. You'll feel it. You'll feel the tension. You'll feel everything. (And again, we're talking about the IQ phase here. My vibing phase is just me freestyling and enjoying the vibe. Running my mouth, self-amusing, having fun. My IQ phase is much more tactical.
Now let's get into the final component. One of my most ingenious concepts. The investment fueled close. I do this in most of my sales calls also.
People ask me, bro how do you always bring girls out? How do you text them? What do you say? How to arrange a meeting?
My answer?
I don't.
I barely have any textgame.
It's 80% logistical.
I don't really "set-up" dates or meets.
It's already set-up or %90 set-up and needs logistical details ironed out. (Thus the need to text.)
Everything is already agreed IN THE SET.
Now this is the most IRON CLAD version of the Investment Fueled Close. Which is a GODLIKE pickup method that will change your fucking life.
But not every time you'll have the opportunity to do this.
You can do a mini version (soft close) of this.
So basically the idea is this. JUST TALK ABOUT THE SHIT YOU'RE GONNA DO AND GET AS MUCH INVESTMENT AS YOU CAN.
In old PUA methods there is a similar technique to this called Time Bridging. It's brilliant. Future plans. Always. Get verbal compliance. Make them commit. Make them say it. Make them feel the urge to be consistent to the social promise they just committed to.
One of the most powerful principles of the Human Psyche is the Commitment and Consistency principle. Use it to full effect.
Use it.
And reap the rewards.
Everything is already agreed upon, or there is only the logistics to figure out over text and you have a reason to text her.
------
The summary:
This theory has been field tested to death and through merely sharing it, resulted in 2 guys that I've taught to lose their virginities.
You're welcome.
PS: I apologize for my absolutely crazy writing style. English is not my first language and I definitely am not used to writing long, detailed articles in it but rest assured the info in this mess will save lives. I definitely need an editor. Fuck, my imaginary editor would need an editor to fix this mess.
Cheers.
_____
An addendum:
As I was doing all that, I also almost exclusive got their IG/Snapchat and had an active IG/Snapchat profile. Constantly posting stories and being in the foreground of people, building comfort, intrigue and attraction all together and never getting cold. Even though I was almost never texting them, I was almost passively/indirectly interacting which is one of the beauties of social media.
Another Addendum:
The reason I call it boring and real was because my game was very clowny/gamey/flashy/attraction based. (Damn you infields.)
So I had to make my brain a point to be like that. Because I thought anything else was "boring". So I couldn't just say make a connection. I framed it as be boring which really helped me mentally. And I think also Todd said, the more boring your sets look the better your game is. Flashy shit doesn't work.
Another reason for the boring frame is to get in her day to day reality. Make sure she remembers you out of state. If you're all fun and smiles, you're just part of the night. When the night ends, so do her emotions, so do you. You're just part of a temporary state/situation in her mind. Most of her reality isn't fun based. But when you interact from her from a boring place (again, don't start the set as boring. You can, as a challange, or if you're really grounded but that's not the point. You "turn on" the boring in the IQ phase. You don't have to be boring in the open/hook/vibing, just have fun-self amuse and shoot the shit, when when you wanna really connect or solidify the set, turn up to boring to a 100. Memory is state/emotion based. If she goes out of her fun emotions and goes into her daily normal emotions, she will forget the fun memories but will remember the normal memories. Again, some Jedi shit. Try it.
I was going mad. What the fuck was wrong?
I was doing everything right.
All the infields looked exactly like my sets.
There was ALMOST nothing that really went in depth about this.
Just crumbs and incomplete theories.
A bunch of loose ends.
Now...
I. Never. Get. Flaked.
It just doesn't happen.
If I run the set well and in my mind, I'm not gonna get flaked, I never do.
I completely fixed this problem, that "floating/not real set" issue completely.
I also helped many people fix this in my local area and I'll share the info with you.
I'll fix this once and for all.
(PS: I'm sorry for that one exception out of a thousand girls that lost her mother in a camp fire later that day, got drunk, got back with her ex, cried herself to insanity when she sobered up and hung herself to end her misery and thus couldn't text you back. "She just wasn't into you, bro. You have the wrong skin-color.")
How to Never Get Flaked?
- Investment
- Qualification
- Being Boring (+Making it real.)
- Investment Fueled Close
Now, my old game modal was this: Open, hook, vibe, close. Great. Amazing. Opened well... Sets hooked amazingly. Had a great vibe. Everyone was having one. Girls were enthusiastic. What was missing? They were really in love with me and one day later they didn't even know me?
I missed a critical component. A "IQ" phase. Investment and Qualification that comes right after vibing. That really opened up everything.
Now the vibe phase is basically no thought, vibing, having a good vibe, getting comfortable, you enjoying the set part and after that you get into investment phase. Where basically you can only speak 20% of the time. This is critical. The original idea is 20 to 50 percent but 50 is way too high. Honestly you can get away with 5/95, so don't wuss out on 20%. It's super comfortable. You just ask questions and enjoy your time, judging the girl.
Now. Investment is NOT rapport. It could be. It could be combined into one. But I'm just sharing the methodology with which I've fully solved this problem so nothing could be confused. Investment is JUST she investing into the conversation. By logical decisions, buy-ins, actively filling silences, she giving information and talking to you, she leaning in more than you do, she complying with your demands. (I always make girls buy me drinks/coffee/food, lol.) You're making her value you / love you more and more and being more real in her mind. The more she works for you and for the interaction, the more she wants it and rationalizes it well.
Before the investment phase, I was simply talking too much. I was too in love with the validation, their good reactions, my own amusement and my million dollar mouth piece. Just in love with it. I wasn't letting them invest into the conversation at all, just an entertainer. Not a real person. Not someone they worked for and someone who has zero value for them. Attraction is investment. It's buy-in. The more you're bought into something, the more valuable it will be for you. The more you'll love it. (That's why women self hypnotize themselves to stay with a shitty BF, because of prior investment.)
Here is a line I love: Tell me 3 things you LOVE about me.
Dude.
This could be most killer line in all of pickup you've ever been thought.
Write that shit down.
Tattoo that shit.
Literally the things she will come up at that point will be what she remembers about you (investment is by far the most important component of pickup), and the reasons she will think about you. It's fucking brilliant. And it's so easy to get verbal, logical buy-in when she'in the moment with emotions. When the emotions fleet away, the investment and the decisions, the buy-ins remain.
Now you have to QUALIFY the girl. Honestly the more real the qualifications are the better but I was just too lazy with it. Steal my line. "I love your energy." "You have an absolutely great energy about you. I loved every single second of talking to you. It's interesting. Do you feel the same?" (She will as she's talking intently for the last however minutes and is into you. You're getting verbal buy-in, more compliance and INVESTMENT.) "I just love your energy. It's hard to describe. I just really liked the conversation."
And the variations of I love your energy line.
Guys...
She needs a reason for you to like her to rationalize the interaction in her mind. And the more high value you are, the weirder it gets. The more you need to qualify her. This was one of my most crucial problems. Fix this and the world will be yours.
I was this massive pimp and my value was way higher than hers and a lot of the times, we would be from different tribes. You really need to form a connection, qualify a girl the more it is unnatural to qualify her. (LOL.)
If everything clicks, qualification is natural. She automatically impresses you or says something cool. But unfortunately with most random girls, you'll have to actively do it.
Now I've later learned more advanced forms of qualification (Thanks Adam Lyons) but that is beyond the scope of this writing. To never get flaked this is what you need.
Now let's move onto being boring. We can also say this as being real.
I've learned this trick from a RSDTyler video. He said I'm gonna say something cooky. When I know, I'm not gonna get a SNL. I'll just drop down everything, I'll not state-pump her, spike her and be 100% chody. Just bs, boring, real talk. I find that if I do that, my flake rate goes down an incredible percent.
(Because deep down, she knows you're a facade and she won't relate to you or anything you did out of the moment, out of state, out of pumped emotions. But when she feels real normal, she'll remember the real/normal you. And she will most definitely remember her investment and her rationalizations.)
She has to remember you when she's out of state.
As I do daygame 95% of the time, this just meant being real. The more boring you are, the more she invests into the boring you, you will have incredible absurdly godly value in her eyes. Because she loves you. Because you have the best elbows. Because your balding hairline is the best the continent has to offer.
She'll make up her own reasons (or you can force logical buy-in with your qualifying question of tell me what you LOVE about me). If she's down with the boring you, she's down for anything. (She will be if you open strong and just ease into the vibe and investment phases. DON'T OVERGAME. Just DULL IT DOWN. I have a switch in my mind. Investment time. Boring time. If your infield is impressive or entertaining you're doing something wrong.
Attraction is a way to get investment into YOU. Not into the attraction material. (My biggest mistake, and the mistake 99% of guys do. They just keep running attraction material but after they're hooked, if you don't see it and make it real/boring, they see you're just a monkey and not a real guy. They'll invest into the material not you, and the moment the material/emotions go away, so do you. Get your feet into the door with your game and then just lean back and let her game you.
Just be real. Talk about her fears, be boring, tell her about your life. Don't talk sometimes. Just look into her eyes. Create a vacuum. Smile. She'll awkwardly try to re-engage the conversation or blush and ask why are you looking at me like that all excited/aroused & attracted. Trust me homies.
A few years after this discovery I had a saying, if you don't know her deepest fears and she won't know yours you're not gonna fuck her. Now, this is obviously not true and is more into Deep Rapport (Deep Diving) which is related to our topic but isn't in this methodology so I'll keep it out of it. But the idea I wanna convey with this statement is that you have to make the interaction real. You have to know her and she has to know you. In a real way. Not a floaty, PUA bullshit, spiky way.
Now the core concept here is this. You can 80% build rapport and 20% break rapport. Just be boring and do normal convos and then do really sexual eye contact and drop a sexual line. "I don't know how you make me feel but it's not good. Why do you do that?" Deep eye contact, deep voice and a smile.
Or you can tease her. Disqualify her. Push-pull her. Push her away. "That is fucking terrible. I don't know why I like you so much. It's sickening." "Wow I thought, I liked you. I think we should just be friends." Etc. Just break rapport when she says something appropriate. USE SPARINGLY. You'll feel it. You'll feel the tension. You'll feel everything. (And again, we're talking about the IQ phase here. My vibing phase is just me freestyling and enjoying the vibe. Running my mouth, self-amusing, having fun. My IQ phase is much more tactical.
Now let's get into the final component. One of my most ingenious concepts. The investment fueled close. I do this in most of my sales calls also.
People ask me, bro how do you always bring girls out? How do you text them? What do you say? How to arrange a meeting?
My answer?
I don't.
I barely have any textgame.
It's 80% logistical.
I don't really "set-up" dates or meets.
It's already set-up or %90 set-up and needs logistical details ironed out. (Thus the need to text.)
Everything is already agreed IN THE SET.
Now this is the most IRON CLAD version of the Investment Fueled Close. Which is a GODLIKE pickup method that will change your fucking life.
But not every time you'll have the opportunity to do this.
You can do a mini version (soft close) of this.
So basically the idea is this. JUST TALK ABOUT THE SHIT YOU'RE GONNA DO AND GET AS MUCH INVESTMENT AS YOU CAN.
In old PUA methods there is a similar technique to this called Time Bridging. It's brilliant. Future plans. Always. Get verbal compliance. Make them commit. Make them say it. Make them feel the urge to be consistent to the social promise they just committed to.
One of the most powerful principles of the Human Psyche is the Commitment and Consistency principle. Use it to full effect.
Use it.
And reap the rewards.
Everything is already agreed upon, or there is only the logistics to figure out over text and you have a reason to text her.
------
The summary:
- As she invests into you and the conversation the more she'll value you and will be logically attracted to you. Not emotionally. Emotional attraction is fleeting, investment is permanent. Buy-in and backwards rationalizations are permanent. She will not throw away something she invested so much into.
- You'll have to qualify her to give her a reason as to why the fuck did you like her and wanna talk to her in the first place. This will make her make sense of the interaction and build a rational/logical/would hold up without emotions narrative in her mind about you and about the interaction. And would comfort her, build a connection and would make her feel unique, special and valuable and would make her feel like YOU ARE MORE VALUABLE THAN HER and she won you over. There is a reason. You just didn't randomly liked her. (It doesn't make any sense for a champ like you to like a random girl. Especially for the girl.)
- The I & Q should be a fucking phase where they are the only things you focus on. The IFC. Not something you sprinkle it into your game. Like Qualification and Comfort phases of old Mystery Method. FULL FOCUS.
- You'll have to make the interaction REAL and BORING. The more boring you are, every single investment she does is multiplied by a thousand and she'll always comply to invest into the boring you because of the flow of the interaction prior and the investment/compliance already built. Also it will make you remember you without the crazy emotions. As memory is tied to states and emotions. If the emotions fleet away, so will her memory of you. And you will be so outside of her reality, you won't even feel real to her. Just some illusion. A mirage. That can't be real. (Her reality is fucking boring, if you can be boring with a girl from a place of power/cool, you'll win her over. Being normal around a girl is the ultimate way to get her. If you're even acting remotely ACTING cool to get her, you're in the subtlest of ways qualifying yourself to her and showing her you're lower value and need this. And you're showing massive balls by being boring.)
- If you get massive investment in the close you'll tap in one of the most powerful triggers of the human psyche and will not get flaked. You'll reduce your chance of messing it up over the phone to an exact zero.
This theory has been field tested to death and through merely sharing it, resulted in 2 guys that I've taught to lose their virginities.
You're welcome.
PS: I apologize for my absolutely crazy writing style. English is not my first language and I definitely am not used to writing long, detailed articles in it but rest assured the info in this mess will save lives. I definitely need an editor. Fuck, my imaginary editor would need an editor to fix this mess.
Cheers.
_____
An addendum:
As I was doing all that, I also almost exclusive got their IG/Snapchat and had an active IG/Snapchat profile. Constantly posting stories and being in the foreground of people, building comfort, intrigue and attraction all together and never getting cold. Even though I was almost never texting them, I was almost passively/indirectly interacting which is one of the beauties of social media.
Another Addendum:
The reason I call it boring and real was because my game was very clowny/gamey/flashy/attraction based. (Damn you infields.)
So I had to make my brain a point to be like that. Because I thought anything else was "boring". So I couldn't just say make a connection. I framed it as be boring which really helped me mentally. And I think also Todd said, the more boring your sets look the better your game is. Flashy shit doesn't work.
Another reason for the boring frame is to get in her day to day reality. Make sure she remembers you out of state. If you're all fun and smiles, you're just part of the night. When the night ends, so do her emotions, so do you. You're just part of a temporary state/situation in her mind. Most of her reality isn't fun based. But when you interact from her from a boring place (again, don't start the set as boring. You can, as a challange, or if you're really grounded but that's not the point. You "turn on" the boring in the IQ phase. You don't have to be boring in the open/hook/vibing, just have fun-self amuse and shoot the shit, when when you wanna really connect or solidify the set, turn up to boring to a 100. Memory is state/emotion based. If she goes out of her fun emotions and goes into her daily normal emotions, she will forget the fun memories but will remember the normal memories. Again, some Jedi shit. Try it.
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