Huge female player forum on Reddit

[Protean]

Lol they have a field report tag (though they don't seem to know what an FR is).



It's funny all the PUA techniques I've ever used I've never once had a woman call me out or even notice I was using a PUA technique.

All in all yeah it is a little sad to see a female equivalent of the manosphere. My guess from reading some of these posts is it probably attracts low caliber and physically less attractive women based on the way they talk about men (they're not getting approached by STUDS).

Sometimes when I watch old movies from the 40's and 50's I kind of wish things could go back to the simplicity of when men were men and women were women... and the sexes actually liked each other (more). A simpler time I suppose.

Well put @Mr.Rob

I mean think about it, is a normal, well adjusted women who gets more suitors than she can shake a stick at really going to go to a forum like that?

And as for the movies, you don’t even need to go back that far. Just yesterday I watched the original Predator film and man Arnold and the rest of the actors make men today look like pussies. The writing almost surprised me as a lot of the PC bullshit that infests Hollywood today is completely absent. Bottom line the blurred lines in gender roles we’ve seen started relatively recently.

 

[hater58]

I find that sub fascinating, thanks for sharing

 

[greenleaf]

Sometimes I get so focused on the men side of PUA that I forget women are working with similar concepts. Some healthy and others toxic.

I can only imagine the dark triad women tactics, hahaha

I think it's all the same as our stuff. As I said, I saw a sub once (sounds like @readjusting also saw the same sub) that was just PUA for girls, but it was identical to ours; Teasing, negging, NLP, DHV stories, frame control, etc etc. Lots of 'inner game' threads all about how men don't care about looks etc

So whatever our 'dark triad' tactics are, there's will probably be the same lol. Quite scary to think that a girl who I find hideous can make me bang her, though!! haha

 

[Mr.Rob]

So whatever our 'dark triad' tactics are, there's will probably be the same lol. Quite scary to think that a girl who I find hideous can make me bang her, though!!

I don't think you have to worry too much about that mate. As much as we sometimes like to think it pua isn't Jedi mind tricks (unless you're @Teevster). I think the odds of some morbidly obese chick running some sick game on you and making you fall in love with her personality so you see past her physical self is pretty low... Or at least I hope you're not that susceptible

 

[Teevster]

I don't think you have to worry too much about that mate. As much as we sometimes like to think it pua isn't Jedi mind tricks (unless you're @Teevster). I think the odds of some morbidly obese chick running some sick game on you and making you fall in love with her personality so you see past her physical self is pretty low... Or at least I hope you're not that susceptible

A fatty who manages to convince me she has a black belt in deep -throating will get to suck my dick though.

Just saying.

(It has happened before).

Best,

 

[BigPapa]

So whatever our 'dark triad' tactics are, there's will probably be the same lol. Quite scary to think that a girl who I find hideous can make me bang her, though!! haha

I don't think you have to worry too much about that mate. As much as we sometimes like to think it pua isn't Jedi mind tricks (unless you're @Teevster). I think the odds of some morbidly obese chick running some sick game on you and making you fall in love with her personality so you see past her physical self is pretty low... Or at least I hope you're not that susceptible

I can talk from my experience that this things actually work on guys too

Happened to me a couple of times when I was not that interested ( mainly because I was calculating how much effort I need to put in order to get her and initially I said that it does not worth it based on how good looking she is ) , but then she started pulling out : push & pulls , hot & colds , DHV , negs, frame controlling etc and I became very interested in pursuing her

I guess that this works because men & women are more similar than they are different , but people in general only focus on differences, even though % is not big difference

 

[Velasco]

Quite scary to think that a girl who I find hideous can make me bang her, though!

Happened to me a couple of times when I was not that interested ( mainly because I was calculating how much effort I need to put in order to get her

The difference

 

[Velasco]

The Rules is the classic book on this:

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1251033085346369537

The Rules - Wikipedia

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Psychology lecturer and therapist Meg-John Barker claims that the emergence of seduction communities happened "almost as a direct response to this hard-to-get femininity"

 

[Skjöldr]

That book, "The Rules", what do you guys think about it? Have anyone tried running game on a girl that does what the book teaches like, no sex on the first date and that women shouldn't call or text a guy and wait for him to do so? Are women delusional when they set these barriers for themselves, like, won't they only get nice guys by this? Aren't women turned off by men chasing them?

It confuses me a bit, unless the book is hypocrisy, since women wants a dominant, assertive man, why would they wanna screen these out by stubbornly thinking the man should chase and wait politely until she is ready to reward him for his good boy patience and nice birthday gifts and daily calls and messages by spreading her legs? It blows my mind. Seems these things won't win the heart of the man their female nature truely desire.

 

[Velasco]

@Peterdk234

I spoke with Gunwitch and Bacchus about this book which I had never heard of til Chase posted it on the previous page. According to Gun, every chick (in the US at least) had this book back in the day (1995), much like how every chick has read 50 Shades of Grey.

It was the cause of girls having huge ASD (book tells them not to sleep with guys on the first date) and girls flaking (them weird rules about not initiating calls/not returning his calls, "if he hasn’t called by Wednesday night, make other plans for the weekend. Don’t counteroffer by saying, “but I’m free Monday.” Men have to ask you out with your help"). And why you see this behavior more amongst 35+ year old chicks (when compared to present day generation). Outdated for sure, but interesting to see where it all began

 

[Skjöldr]

@Peterdk234

I spoke with Gunwitch and Bacchus about this book which I had never heard of til Chase posted it on the previous page. According to Gun, every chick (in the US at least) had this book back in the day (1995), much like how every chick has read 50 Shades of Grey.

It was the cause of girls having huge ASD (book tells them not to sleep with guys on the first date) and girls flaking (them weird rules about not initiating calls/not returning his calls, "if he hasn’t called by Wednesday night, make other plans for the weekend. Don’t counteroffer by saying, “but I’m free Monday.” Men have to ask you out with your help"). And why you see this behavior more amongst 35+ year old chicks (when compared to present day generation). Outdated for sure, but interesting to see where it all began

Interesting. Cuz i wondered how widespread it was too, if it is as widespread as 50 shades of grey, then it was more than i expected. Wow.

Still, it sounds very anti-seductive to me. Wouldn't women rather desire a busy alpha male that has abundance rather than a needy beta male that puts her on a pedestal? It is very confusing to me, but if the answer is, read a woman's action and not her words, then that's basically what i'm looking for.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

Interesting. Cuz i wondered how widespread it was too, if it is as widespread as 50 shades of grey, then it was more than i expected. Wow.

Still, it sounds very anti-seductive to me. Wouldn't women rather desire a busy alpha male that has abundance rather than a needy beta male that puts her on a pedestal? It is very confusing to me, but if the answer is, read a woman's action and not her words, then that's basically what i'm looking for.

The sub is schizophrenic, just like women are.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/gbzmex
Here's a key reaction - "A healthy appetite for risk can be good sometimes."

In the normie world, A woman is attracted to a handsome, fit, well styled, aggressive, and risk taking person.

But when you get into a relationship with these girls, they actively try to reduce the very things that attracted them to you. Moreover, if you resist, they don't like it (and their displeasure takes away from the relationship). And if you give in, they also don't like it (and their displeasure takes away from the relationship).

Keep in mind that women trying to make you less "sexy" isn't necessarily the point. They are doing X,Y, and Z for different reasons in the moment, but the 2nd order effects happen later on. I find too many guys think women are sitting around combing their leg hair plotting on the downfall of men.

For the man, this behavior is a classic double bind. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

In the Red Pill community, at least the more sane parts, a man is encouraged to develop all aspects of his life - irrespective of its attraction effects on women. Women should be a complement to your life, not the central reason.

I want to say this is the case with the Pick Up Community, but part of me thinks that - this was well understood at the beginning (avoiding beta-ization/supplication, before Alpha/Beta became this weird thing that it is currently) - but for a lot of guys into PickUp now - the woman in front of them, is the most important thing. It used to be that building the skill set was the most important thing, but I'm not sure anymore.

That said, learning how to "weaponize" these things is a key part of going from a competent player to one that's far more dangerous.

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

Interesting. Cuz i wondered how widespread it was too, if it is as widespread as 50 shades of grey, then it was more than i expected. Wow.

Still, it sounds very anti-seductive to me. Wouldn't women rather desire a busy alpha male that has abundance rather than a needy beta male that puts her on a pedestal? It is very confusing to me, but if the answer is, read a woman's action and not her words, then that's basically what i'm looking for.

@Peterdk234 dude! What you're overlooking is principle of don't take dating advice from girls. They only think they know what they want from what society and the media movies/TV has taught them.

@West_Indian_Archie has covered a lot of this with his post above while I was writing this.

 

[Velasco]

The book talks about strategies women should employ to get men to chase them.

PUA came later, to flip that situation around.

 

[Tim Iron]

Some of these strategies may work on guys that don't really know anything about game, however I doubt it would work on guys that have an idea of how to handle things with women because when you regularly deal with multiple women (approaches, dates, sex and casual relationships), it's difficult for one woman to have a big impact on your psyche.

 

[Lover]

But when you get into a relationship with these girls, they actively try to reduce the very things that attracted them to you. Moreover, if you resist, they don't like it (and their displeasure takes away from the relationship). And if you give in, they also don't like it (and their displeasure takes away from the relationship).

Keep in mind that women trying to make you less "sexy" isn't necessarily the point. They are doing X,Y, and Z for different reasons in the moment, but the 2nd order effects happen later on. I find too many guys think women are sitting around combing their leg hair plotting on the downfall of men.

Have I then been an anecdotal exception to the rule? Because while I find myself in relationships with girls that have been supportive of the risks I take and go for the things I want, the most active thing they inevitably do is they want to spend more time with me and hint at more commitment. But I have a hard time recalling that they actively/overtly tried to stop me from going for my goals. Maybe it's more covert? What are some examples of the things they may do or say to reduce what attracted them in the first place?

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

Have I then been an anecdotal exception to the rule? Because while I find myself in relationships with girls that have been supportive of the risks I take and go for the things I want, the most active thing they inevitably do is they want to spend more time with me and hint at more commitment. But I have a hard time recalling that they actively/overtly tried to stop me from going for my goals. Maybe it's more covert? What are some examples of the things they may do or say to reduce what attracted them in the first place?

"You don't need to work out"
"eat this ice cream with me"
"Do you have to practice with your band tonight?"
"Skip work"
"I get so scared when you skateboard/motocross/drag race"
"Are there going to be girls at the club that I met you at while you were dj'ing"

It's fairly common.

The biggest one, is "You don't spend enough time with me/pay enough attention to me".

In a lot of these, the girl is looking for one thing (attention/quality time) but taking away from the thing that made you attractive (the time you spent building yourself up).

WIA

 

[BlandMan0]

This is interesting. Always thought that you all just listen to other men when you fail and read magazines about it.

 

[Skjöldr]

Some of these strategies may work on guys that don't really know anything about game, however I doubt it would work on guys that have an idea of how to handle things with women because when you regularly deal with multiple women (approaches, dates, sex and casual relationships), it's difficult for one woman to have a big impact on your psyche.

But WHY would they want them to work on guys? These strategies to frame the guy as the pleaser/chaser/etc makes guys unattractive to them. Why would they make their "Mr. Right" less attractive? It boggles me. When they employ this tactic of flaking, not calling or texting, setting up bullshit rules like "no kissing unless he has complimented me 5 times and held my hand for 7 minutes and 23 seconds and no sex until the 5th date" etc, all they are gonna get are needy, desperate beta guys living in scarcity. Their "Mr. Right" (likely a high value man) won't put up with shit like that.

 

[BigPapa]

But WHY would they want them to work on guys? These strategies to frame the guy as the pleaser/chaser/etc makes guys unattractive to them. Why would they make their "Mr. Right" less attractive? It boggles me. When they employ this tactic of flaking, not calling or texting, setting up bullshit rules like "no kissing unless he has complimented me 5 times and held my hand for 7 minutes and 23 seconds and no sex until the 5th date" etc, all they are gonna get are needy, desperate beta guys living in scarcity. Their "Mr. Right" (likely a high value man) won't put up with shit like that.

That is a method to weed out the guys who are not actually that interested in her and just want to fuck her . Look at the most senior members of the forum , they mainly go to the most receptive girls out there , because they just want to get laid

The more time you spend in the courtship stage , the more invested you will be in her , and thus letting go after sex will be more difficult , because you will start backward rationalize that since you put so much effort in her it means that she is better than most of the girls

If you ask me it is quite a good tactic from their side , and for sure efficient