Socializing I am a Secret society member. Why don’t women want me?

[Teevster]

I am rich. Why don't I have any money????

 

[Will_V]

Well I thought that being non-judgemental is the most attractive trait. I have all the other fundamentals pretty much in check. There are way less attractive guys getting laid. One thing I noticed is that they have a certain aloof sexual vibe which for me is difficult to adopt because it doesn’t build rapport with people. And I want to be liked, I don’t have my own source of self worth yet.

By sexually attractive I don't simply mean that you look good. I mean that she feels sexually activated and comfortable expressing herself sexually with you.

That means things like:

- Being non-needy
- Being self-assured and comfortable with who you are
- Being comfortable expressing yourself sexually (touching her, teasing her, eye contact, etc)

But don’t tell me that all the guys who get lots of sex love themselves - I know plenty of them who actually hate themselves deep down!

There is this idea that I've noticed goes around in pickup circles, that since there are dudes who can seduce a girl one day and feel like jumping off a bridge the next, that you can do away with all the personal growth stuff that ostensibly feeds into seduction success.

The truth is that these guys have developed the ability (probably, in the beginning, involuntarily) of slipping from one psychological illusory bubble to the next, pushing out of their awareness (often with the help of drugs or alcohol) anything that conflicts with the internal frame that they want to experience. There is a great cost to this, because the resulting loss of perspective on reality destroys their ability to plan and operate toward any long term goal. And not only that, the subconscious never forgets, and the chickens eventually come home to roost.

I have always used seduction to help me become the man I want to be. I choose the seduction experiences that give me the opportunity to experience, or the potential to experience, the reality that I want to live in all the time. That means that I am usually not too keen on 'shortcuts' and 'hacks', especially when they involve creating some kind of internal or external illusion.

If you want something else, good luck, but I can't help you on that front.

 

[Ratata]

This is gonna sting but... The number one indicator that you're indeed in the Secret Society is that ... you're having sex. And not only that, but the sex you're having "doesn't count."

Btw. did you follow my advice about going out and getting some experience? Do you have an FR in the works?

Btw. I also have a complaint. Why am I not rich? According to the book Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, I should be swimming in money. I mean I'm thinking about money every day, so why am I not rich? Sorry, this was a sarcasm. Please don't answer it.

(NOte to self: Maybe I could start pimping??? Omg I'm gonna B rich!!)

(Sorry Teev, I saw your post too late xD )

 

[Skills]

That's an interesting point, @Skills.

Secret society is communicating to girls who like to hook up and party, or sneak out and have affairs away from their borefriends (old seduction name for "boyfriends"), that you are just like them, you also fool around and hook up, and do not want it getting out just like them; that you are on the level -- they can hook up with you and no one will ever know. Plus, you are in that environment, so you know how to take care of them sexually, in ways their borefriends and the other nice guy providers chasing after them do not and cannot even imagine exists.

With girls not really going out nearly as much, and people dating less in general, having sex less in general, having affairs less in general, and the social skills decline making all this subcommunication much less effective (she doesn't have the social skills to pick up on all the subtext of what you are saying), much of the secret society flies right over the average girl's head now, just like it flew over the heads of inexperienced girls decades ago.

The other side of it is there is not the kind of sexual double standard that was present decades ago. Partly that is how open everything is sexually... partly it is how cowed men have become; if some guy tries to shame a woman sexually, everyone just piles on and calls that guy a virgin incel.

Women used to gossip about their sex lives over Sunday brunch and try to keep their voices down. Now they just blast it out everywhere the same way men do -- louder even. Guys are afraid of being put on blast for talking about sexing women ("Misogynist!"). Girls have no such fear today.

Men in general used to have this "pure princess" idea about the girls they really liked 20 years ago. "Not my girl; she is not like that. She would never do such filthy things with a MAN!"

Whereas today it is mainstream for men to assume every girl is a nympho, they all have 20+ partners by age 25, every single one cheats, etc.

So if you are going up to a girl like, "Hey -- not me. I know how it is. We both know women like sex. !"

She is just going to assume you got that off Reddit, TikTok, IG, X, etc., like every other guy who tries talking to her about that.

The Secret Society has become the Public Society.

(Which is not to say "Don't talk about sex." But it is a bit tone deaf now to be talking about it like you know some big secret the other guys don't know, which nowadays every guy knows, and actually assumes too far in the opposite direction.)

WEIRD POLARITY OBSERVATION: until circa 2010 or so, the "male default assumption" was "girls don't like sex, they only want relationships, most girls are good girls who only have sex in committed relationships, one-night stands are rare, female cheating is very, very rare." But then with the rise of red pill, by about 2020, the "male default assumption" had become "girl love sex with Chad, they want to get pumped by Chad, most girls are sluts for Chad who only make simps wait for sex, every girl has tons of one-night stands with Chad, female cheating is epidemic."

The earlier one was an extreme black-or-white position... but so is the current one.

That's the mainstream for you. It's either one extreme or another.

No nuance or accuracy for The Masses.

(It is also funny to me that the pre-2010 view is actually closer to today, with people hooking up less and having sex later and having few partners and divorcing/cheating less, whereas the post-2020 view is actually closer to the past. So, so weird.)

Chase

@Chase no necessarily cheating..

Women would treat a guy that was "normal" during her deep dives in a way.... the same exact girl would treat a guy during interaction that was "secret society" a total different way once confirm... it has nothing to do with cheating per se (but obviously if women are risk adverse and horny they will probably do it with the secret society dude vs a normal guy for obvious reasons)....

He wrote than in masf (when he was a poster vs a coach i am pretty sure).... The dynamics were different in that gen, as i have discuss a million times... Women were actually more sexually active ( more ons, more hook ups, more cheating, more ___________ fill in the blank) but outward appearance was more maddona presentation...... One of the reasons second gen was more effective with x and millenals.. (this is all my opinion, based on my own experience)

now we have gen z were they are looking like fucking whores in the outward appearance and sexual believes super open... But when it comes to getting down to biz and promiscuity they are actually super conservative (again i am generalizing).... They are naked at the club, dancing like true whores, posting almost naked pictures, not doing a lot of hooking up, or virgins, or very limited sexual activity.... Sex talk and things like that when it comes to sexual openess will be like "water is wet" to them pretty ineffective compare to other gens... you will see a bunch of little girls at the clubs naked,, pretty much going home together, just exchanging contact info. Gen x, and millennials very likely to go home with you...is hard to explain... what works is talking about relatable topics on "you get it" when it comes to their "personal lifestyle" such as the drinks they like, how they dress, what they do, etc.. more relatability (which is why i keep annoying older seducers with my constant talk of gen z).... because knowing the dynamics of gen z is the new Third gen.


so that is my context that the article was more written for the times.... (though applicable today of course)

 

[barneystin]

The dynamics were different in that gen, as i have discuss a million times... Women were actually more sexually active ( more ons, more hook ups, more cheating, more ___________ fill in the blank) but outward appearance was more maddona presentation...... One of the reasons second gen was more effective with x and millenals.. (this is all my opinion, based on my own experience)

As a gen z guy, this makes sense. people in my gen are definitely more open to sex and talking about sex so trying to signal “secret society” doesn’t have any value. I’ve always thought some seduction principles were outdated and this is one of them.
Hoping someone advanced enough can make a comprehensive gen z post

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

I don’t judge anyone for having sex, I’m open to new crazy experiences, and I like to talk about sex. That is supposed to make me a very rare man and a secret society member.

Very rare man? NO AT ALL.

There is a HUGE amount of losers who have a positive attitude towards sex, who are open to it....but they're not getting any (or only getting a little). Especially guys who are wanking to porn for years - they're not sexually conservative, but still they don't get laid.

I'm sorry, but what you wrote shows you are clueless about such things - and I suspect women might be detecting this clueless, wannabie vibe from you in real life.

BTW I'm a secret society member - literally. My girlfriend is a (cult) leader of a group of bisexual female friends, we do group sex with BDSM and pagan religion elements.

However, I understand you meant "secret society" in less literal sense - in terms of women feeling that a guy is somebody who likes sex, is having sex with women and so it's "normal" and "acceptable" for the woman to have sex with him too. I can tell you this: it's real, but first you have to have it, it needs to be a part of you. Trying to somehow "force it" or "fake it until you make it" generally FAILS.

It's way better to not think about such things and instead simply go meet and (try to) fuck women. And certain things, effects will appear naturally (if you manage to succeed, because many people don't).

For those of you who don’t know, here is what the Secret Society is (from RSDTyler) :

Tyler is an autistic retard and the fact that you treat him seriously is one more sign of you being clueless.

This "secret society" does not exist! The one that we talk about on the forum is no secret, just requires new learning. Read the threads and Chase's articles. (There are some other sources, but you are here already.)

1. There are literal secret societies - closed, private groups doing swinging, group sex, BDSM, pagan stuff, vampiric cosplay and blood drinking, etc etc.

2. There is a non-literal "secret society" in such a sense, that when a right kind of woman senses the guy is experienced sexually and non judgemental, she opens up to him sexually - because she knows he's not a judgemental "boy scout". And I think that is what @TrailBlazer had in mind. That's something very real and "secret" in such a way that most guys don't know about this.

But that's really more of a "vibe" or "type of nonverbal communication" than a "society".

This is fascinating. I wonder who came up with it or what fictional work it was drawn from? Certainly doesn't sound like something based in any reality I know of.

The liar, fantasy writer was largely inspired by the "Fight Club" movie.

But I guess it's a good way to sell courses to sexually frustrated guys who are already sold on the "red pill" worldview.

Yes - the point of this was to make money by selling courses.

wrong is actually correct, is not to sell courses, is an old school way to address Madonna whore, is not really applicable to gen z, it was more a gen x stuff, that was teevester favorite article (teevester introduce me to the article) and came out with his own 2.0 adaptation...... it is satirical in nature... when teevester was promoting it, he was not even part of chase, had no commercial interest... when i was promoting it was not sell courses either, you don't get it... Just like op does not get it....

I have nothing against you or Teevster, but the original author, Tyler... OMG, the guy was a dumpster fire. The only secret society he was fit for was a autism or narcissism support group. And watching him enjoying a "guru" status in the seductiom community was/is like watching a horror movie where people infect one another with a zombie virus.

BTW I'm not saying that the "secret society" concept is entirely wrong. I'm saying Tyler wrote about something he didn't have (and build a business around this).

Well I thought that being non-judgemental is the most attractive trait.

Being non-judgemental is of course good, but it's not enough. And it's quite likely you actually give a vibe of being clueless and a wannabie.

What is the missing piece? I do the approaches, I read the articles, I learn and adapt every day. I think I’m ready to be a “member”, but I don’t know how.

I think you're trying to force something which needs time and experience. It's not about knowledge, information, but a certain "emotional sexual maturing" you can only get from experience.

If I were you, I would stop trying to be some kind of "advanced guy" you're clearly not - and women likely sense it. Just be (relatively) normal guy trying to get laid - get 50 or 100 lays and then you're emotions, your perspective on the whole thing will be different.

I doubt that the guys in this “secret society” are all healed, integrated men. I bet they have tons of problems and inner pains too.

Definitively yes. Surprisingly many guys who are good with women had toxic fathers and unpleasant childhoods (me included).

So it can’t be that hard to be one of them!

Unfortunately, here you are wrong. Being good with women requires a certain social, emotional conditioning, a gradual, long term "transformation". You can't learn it from internet, you need to experience it, live through it...and allow yourself to be changed, be "proven wrong" and adjusting again and again. It might sound cryptic, but it's because it's really hard to explain intellectually.

BTW Are you familar with teachings of Gunwitch?

dude cold approach pick up is crazy hard, even for guys with natural talent. things get easier with experience, that is all.

Yes - it's hard to learn. And I think it always was a very wrong thing that the seduction community generally didn't tell the truth about that. (Instead it told BS about being a PUA community "insider" supposedly gives some crazy, almost cheat-code like advantage over "normal losers" outside of PUA community, etc etc.).

 

[D. Gately]

Can confirm these college/Gen-Z girls are not having tons of sex.

Some are very upfront they haven't had sex in 6-12 months, just vibrators.
Some will tell you they had a bf from social circle, it blew up, now they're scared to sleep with people they know.
And some have realized that their male classmates are just really bad at sex and/or unwilling and unknowing to give them the rough sex, dominance, getting thrown around, spanked, called dirty little sluts, etc that they really crave.

I also think due to social media/norms changing, so many men are afraid of escalating in public, kino, all the stuff you need to do to be good at this. As Chase noted above. If I was a 23yr old guy, I'd be terrified of getting canceled.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Very rare man? NO AT ALL.

There is a HUGE amount of losers who have a positive attitude towards sex, who are open to it....but they're not getting any (or only getting a little). Especially guys who are wanking to porn for years - they're not sexually conservative, but still they don't get laid.

I'm sorry, but what you wrote shows you are clueless about such things - and I suspect women might be detecting this clueless, wannabie vibe from you in real life.

BTW I'm a secret society member - literally. My girlfriend is a (cult) leader of a group of bisexual female friends, we do group sex with BDSM and pagan religion elements.

However, I understand you meant "secret society" in less literal sense - in terms of women feeling that a guy is somebody who likes sex, is having sex with women and so it's "normal" and "acceptable" for the woman to have sex with him too. I can tell you this: it's real, but first you have to have it, it needs to be a part of you. Trying to somehow "force it" or "fake it until you make it" generally FAILS.

It's way better to not think about such things and instead simply go meet and (try to) fuck women. And certain things, effects will appear naturally (if you manage to succeed, because many people don't).




Tyler is an autistic retard and the fact that you treat him seriously is one more sign of you being clueless.




1. There are literal secret societies - closed, private groups doing swinging, group sex, BDSM, pagan stuff, vampiric cosplay and blood drinking, etc etc.

2. There is a non-literal "secret society" in such a sense, that when a right kind of woman senses the guy is experienced sexually and non judgemental, she opens up to him sexually - because she knows he's not a judgemental "boy scout". And I think that is what @TrailBlazer had in mind. That's something very real and "secret" in such a way that most guys don't know about this.

But that's really more of a "vibe" or "type of nonverbal communication" than a "society".




The liar, fantasy writer was largely inspired by the "Fight Club" movie.



Yes - the point of this was to make money by selling courses.



I have nothing against you or Teevster, but the original author, Tyler... OMG, the guy was a dumpster fire. The only secret society he was fit for was a autism or narcissism support group. And watching him enjoying a "guru" status in the seductiom community was/is like watching a horror movie where people infect one another with a zombie virus.

BTW I'm not saying that the "secret society" concept is entirely wrong. I'm saying Tyler wrote about something he didn't have (and build a business around this).



Being non-judgemental is of course good, but it's not enough. And it's quite likely you actually give a vibe of being clueless and a wannabie.



I think you're trying to force something which needs time and experience. It's not about knowledge, information, but a certain "emotional sexual maturing" you can only get from experience.

If I were you, I would stop trying to be some kind of "advanced guy" you're clearly not - and women likely sense it. Just be (relatively) normal guy trying to get laid - get 50 or 100 lays and then you're emotions, your perspective on the whole thing will be different.



Definitively yes. Surprisingly many guys who are good with women had toxic fathers and unpleasant childhoods (me included).




Unfortunately, here you are wrong. Being good with women requires a certain social, emotional conditioning, a gradual, long term "transformation". You can't learn it from internet, you need to experience it, live through it...and allow yourself to be changed, be "proven wrong" and adjusting again and again. It might sound cryptic, but it's because it's really hard to explain intellectually.

BTW Are you familar with teachings of Gunwitch?




Yes - it's hard to learn. And I think it always was a very wrong thing that the seduction community generally didn't tell the truth about that. (Instead it told BS about being a PUA community "insider" supposedly gives some crazy, almost cheat-code like advantage over "normal losers" outside of PUA community, etc etc.).

Well then I can forget about some secret society because once I’ll have sexual abundance, I won’t care about any society anyway. I saw acting as a member as a way to get sex, but yeah, the truth probably shines through.

“Act like a normal guy trying to get laid” - I’m sorry but I don’t believe that normal guys can get laid. Otherwise we wouldn’t have this forum and blog with hundreds of articles. One needs to be in the top 0.1% to get 50 lays. No?

Yes I’m familiar with Gunwitch and I try to apply it still. I’ve been day+club approaching for like 3 years now, thousands of approaches.

And is day game the only way to get the secret society vibe then? I don’t believe that even 10% of secret society men could do daygame well. How did they gain their experience?

 

[StrayDog]

I don’t believe that even 10% of secret society men could do daygame well. How did they gain their experience?

each guy gets success his own way. so, what are you doing to gain that experience? any consistent steps you are taking? or mostly just theorizing?

noticing how you still haven't answered any of the questions I posed in my first response

 

[TrailBlazer]

each guy gets success his own way. so, what are you doing to gain that experience? any consistent steps you are taking? or mostly just theorizing?

noticing how you still haven't answered any of the questions I posed in my first response

Did you read my comment you just answered? I said I’ve been doing day and club game for 3 years now, with thousands of approaches. Your original questions are quite difficult to answer quickly so it will take me a while. I’m trying not to analyze my game too much, it takes my into my head too much.

 

[StrayDog]

Did you read my comment you just answered? I said I’ve been doing day and club game for 3 years now, with thousands of approaches.

oh missed that part, my bad.

I’m trying not to analyze my game too much, it takes my into my head too much.

gonna play devils advocate here and say that if you have made thousands of approaches and are still not getting laid with at least a little consistency, doing a thorough technical (not theoretical/mental) diagnostic would probably be incredibly beneficial. there is obviously some hang up in your pipeline.

as some one who has become more advanced over the years I can say without a doubt that the more I started focusing on my technicals, and having a clear process for each step. The more results I started getting.

I'd even go as far as to say that in the art of pick up process is king.

If you can accurately pin point the snags in your process and adjust accordingly you can make surprisingly quick progression in getting more results.


I can understand not wanting to get too in your head in the field, but what you do is analyze the tech out of set/field, then be more intuitive in set/field. Just compartmentalize the two a bit.

If you are not analyzing your game in a purely technical sense, it can be very easy to overlook glaring flaws that are biting you in the ass and getting you minimal results.

 

[Skills]

However, I understand you meant "secret society" in less literal sense - in terms of women feeling that a guy is somebody who likes sex, is having sex with women and so it's "normal" and "acceptable" for the woman to have sex with him too. I can tell you this: it's real, but first you have to have it, it needs to be a part of you. Trying to somehow "force it" or "fake it until you make it" generally FAILS.

It's way better to not think about such things and instead simply go meet and (try to) fuck women. And certain things, effects will appear naturally (if you manage to succeed, because many people don't).




Tyler is an autistic retard and the fact that you treat him seriously is one more sign of you being clueless.

I don't care if tyler is an autistic retard, i don't attack people, i go my field experience and the community is based about field experience, and based on your first paragraph you just agree with the autistic retard article, you are saying the same thing he is saying, i don't understand your point... what does tyler being an autistic retard (which i don't agree with this) has to do with anything... 99% of the community are autistic retards anyways...Again i am failing to see what does that have to do with content of the article that you actually agree with, facepalm! re read your first sentence is a tldr summary of the article (bolded)

1. There are literal secret societies - closed, private groups doing swinging, group sex, BDSM, pagan stuff, vampiric cosplay and blood drinking, etc etc.

2. There is a non-literal "secret society" in such a sense, that when a right kind of woman senses the guy is experienced sexually and non judgemental, she opens up to him sexually - because she knows he's not a judgemental "boy scout". And I think that is what @TrailBlazer had in mind. That's something very real and "secret" in such a way that most guys don't know about this.

But that's really more of a "vibe" or "type of nonverbal communication" than a "society".

lol the article..^ summary

The liar, fantasy writer was largely inspired by the "Fight Club" movie.

what does this has to do with the CONTENT OF THE ARTICLE YOU AGREE WITH...

Yes - the point of this was to make money by selling courses.

incorrect was brought in masf, again i fail to see what is the point, even if he sell courses of not what does this has to with the article.... jesus!

I have nothing against you or Teevster, but the original author, Tyler... OMG, the guy was a dumpster fire. The only secret society he was fit for was a autism or narcissism support group. And watching him enjoying a "guru" status in the seductiom community was/is like watching a horror movie where people infect one another with a zombie virus.

and what does this has to do with the article that you actually agree with, jesus!

BTW I'm not saying that the "secret society" concept is entirely wrong. I'm saying Tyler wrote about something he didn't have (and build a business around this).

again what does this has to be with the content of the article.... I hate rollo tomasi and the red pillers and i think they are losers and keyboard jokies but there is some things like 1 out of a million i may agree.... I think look maxers are virgins, they have stuff i agree with... i don't care about messenger, i go what the message and if it matches my experience.... Literally everything in that ss article i have experience, as a member and pre being a member... (i have been in both sides)

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

Well then I can forget about some secret society because once I’ll have sexual abundance, I won’t care about any society anyway.

That's how it works - you get it when you don't need it that much. It's very much a "the rich get richer" dynamic.

“Act like a normal guy trying to get laid” - I’m sorry but I don’t believe that normal guys can get laid. Otherwise we wouldn’t have this forum and blog with hundreds of articles.

Well, "normal" as in "not very advanced".

One needs to be in the top 0.1% to get 50 lays. No?

Yes and that's kind of the point. After 50 lays, you should be mentally different in one way or another and women will probably sense there's something "different".

Yes I’m familiar with Gunwitch and I try to apply it still.

Are you trying to implement sexual state? And doing the persistence thing?

I’ve been day+club approaching for like 3 years now, thousands of approaches.

That doesn't look good. I'm sorry, but it looks like a typical "failed PUA" story.

And is day game the only way to get the secret society vibe then? I don’t believe that even 10% of secret society men could do daygame well. How did they gain their experience?

No, absolutely not - night game is perfectly fine. I've mentioned Gunwitch due to his sensible views on sexual state and on how generally seduction works.

 

[Skills]

As a gen z guy, this makes sense. people in my gen are definitely more open to sex and talking about sex so trying to signal “secret society” doesn’t have any value. I’ve always thought some seduction principles were outdated and this is one of them.
Hoping someone advanced enough can make a comprehensive gen z post

I have done a bunch..

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

i don't understand your point...

I have largely expressed my point before in this sentence: "I'm saying Tyler wrote about something he didn't have (and build a business around this)."


1. I consider Tyler a very toxic person and a blight on the PUA community. And I don't think he should be mentioned without giving a warning to a potential unwary reader.

2. He wrote the article to promote himself and to suggest to the community that he somehow is on the "inside" of the thing he wrote about. From what I've seen in real life, it was completely not so - the guy had a pushy, abrasive vibe similar to that of a rude drunk guy - and the women treated him in a similar manner. That was actually the exact opposite of what he described in the article. It was a "get the F away from me, retard!" vibe.

3. You were wrong when you wrote "is not to sell courses". That was the intent even before actual commercialization happened.

99% of the community are autistic retards anyways...

I know officiallly diagnosed autistic people who act normal, not like retards or drunk guys. (I don't mean the signs of intoxication itself, but the rude, abrasive behavior that often comes with it.)

Again i am failing to see what does that have to do with content of the article

It has nothing to do with the content itself. I was commenting on the author and the context. And actually so did you - your "is not to sell courses" is a comment about the intent behind the article, not about it's content.

the article that you actually agree with,

I partially agree with the article, not fully. I think it's overblown and too radical.

For example:

"4. ⁠If you are part of the secret society, you will never be denied anything at any point.
5. ⁠If you are not part of the secret society, you will scrap and beg for everything you get."

In reality, a girl might sense that a guy "gets it" socially and sexually, but she simply doesn't like his looks or personality.
Or she might be attracted to a handsome guy who doesn't get it, but she will play nice girl before him and she will orchestrate them getting to bed - without him realising that was her plan all along.

What Tyler does here is a variant of the classical PUA fallacy which is dividing people into "players" and "AFCs" based on the level of their access to information - while ignoring other factors, inconvenient to the propaganda angle.

I hate rollo tomasi and the red pillers and i think they are losers and keyboard jokies but there is some things like 1 out of a million i may agree....

I don't have trouble agreeing on certain things with red pillers or with Tyler... But this doesn't change my negative opinion about neither of them. And in both cases I warn people not to listen to these people.

 

[Bill]

Secret society isn’t an actual thing. It just means you’re non judgmental towards sex so women are more willing to get sexual. You still need to attract them and build trust.

 

[Skills]

@CharmingPsychopath Again you are just repeating yourself if he wrote an article to sell, first you have no proof, from my understanding he wrote that in masf... I have never spent a dollar not eve 2 cents on rsd.. second what does that has to do with the content of the article?? You are just derrailing, speculaing and tbh wasting my time and repeating yourself.... Let me know specially what part do you disagree with, and your own life samples to support your disagreement.... I have 0 issues with people making money from seduction, if you don't want the service don't pay for it...

 

[StrayDog]

Again you are just repeating yourself if he wrote an article to sell, first you have no proof, from my understanding he wrote that in masf... I have never spent a dollar not eve 2 cents on rsd.. second what does that has to do with the content of the article?? You are just derrailing, speculaing and tbh wasting my time and repeating yourself.... Let me know specially what part do you disagree with, and your own life samples to support your disagreement.... I have 0 issues with people making money from seduction, if you don't want the service don't pay for it...

brother this is @Bill not @CharmingPsychopath

 

[TrailBlazer]

That's how it works - you get it when you don't need it that much. It's very much a "the rich get richer" dynamic.

All fueled by women’s high standards though. I don’t care how experienced a woman is in bed or how charismatic she is, if women didn’t care either, there wouldn’t need to be any secret society.

Well, "normal" as in "not very advanced".

But how will a “not very advanced” guy pass tests, build compliance, stay out of auto rejection, and be good enough in bed? That’s all very advanced game.

Are you trying to implement sexual state? And doing the persistence thing?

Yeah and slowly but surely it shows, but progress

That doesn't look good. I'm sorry, but it looks like a typical "failed PUA" story.

Not really, I’ve had some really good successes. My long term success rate is low but that’s because I need to reach a certain momentum and last time I got there, I stopped.

No, absolutely not - night game is perfectly fine. I've mentioned Gunwitch due to his sensible views on sexual state and on how generally seduction works.

But does it have to be even night game? Don’t tell me that all “secret society” men go to clubs or bars. What if they don’t go anywhere? Aren’t there secret society members who, for instance, play PC games?

 

[TrailBlazer]

I don't have trouble agreeing on certain things with red pillers or with Tyler... But this doesn't change my negative opinion about neither of them. And in both cases I warn people not to listen to these people.

I’m a new guy, only started pick up in 2019. But I’ve been reading the old forums since I was a child - for the better or worse. I’ve read and internalised the articles by Tyler when I was like 13.

I don’t like the guy’s vibe at all, but with the theory, he always seems to just get it.

Sometimes I wish I didn’t come across these posts so young, it kind of made me think like Tyler and the others similar to him. Because he offered quick and feel-good solutions.