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TrailBlazer

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I don’t judge anyone for having sex, I’m open to new crazy experiences, and I like to talk about sex. That is supposed to make me a very rare man and a secret society member.

However somehow women don’t pick up on this and I don’t have any sex.

Where is the problem?

For those of you who don’t know, here is what the Secret Society is (from RSDTyler) :

WHAT IS THE SECRET SOCIETY?


Women are repressed by men, and so must look out for themselves. They will take care of:

1. ⁠Their own sexual needs.
2. ⁠The sexual needs of anyone in the secret society.
3. ⁠The sexual needs of the few males who make the secret society possible ("players").


The secret society is what allows women to appear wholesome and allows them to screen for a long term provider/emotionaltampon.

Women hold off to find the perfect boyfriend, while sleeping with a guy who is likely sleeping with all of their friends, and their friends friends.

They also fuck their gay boyfriends or jerk them off or give them head. They're part of the secret society too, so they can't be left out.

SOME RULES OF THE SECRET SOCIETY:
1. ⁠Don't talk about the secret society.
2. ⁠The priority of the secret society is to have perpetually good emotions in all members.
3. ⁠Create shrowds around the secret society, like "all men are dogs". Hide the truth that women are far more likely to cheat than men.
4. ⁠If you are part of the secret society, you will never be denied anything at any point.
5. ⁠If you are not part of the secret society, you will scrap and beg for everything you get.
6. ⁠Communication in the secret society is less often verbal, and more often spoken through bodylanguage subcommunications, and verbal subcommunications that would only make sense to members. Any other way, and the 48% of men would pick up on it, and it would no longer be a secret.
7. ⁠At the first sign that someone who is not part of the secret society is possibly trying to pretend that he is, barate him with both love-rhetoric, and accusations of chauvanism and nit-witted-ness.

It's OK to cheat on someone who is not a part of the secret society, so long as it is for the purpose of fulfilling the needs of someone who is, or if it to fulfill your own needs and it is with someone who is a part of the secret society. Sleeping with a rare guy from the secret society is no worse than grinding with a girlfriend at a club and making out with her. "It doesn't count".

9) Nobody judges eachother in the secret society. There is no such thing as a slut. A slut is only as slutty as people who are NOT in the secret society are aware of.

10) Secret society members COME FIRST. If someone in the society is not having fun with an interaction, it is cut off. Conversely, if a secret society male is with a non-secret-society male, and a secret society female (all females) decides she wants sex from the secret society male, the friend of the female may have sex with the non-secret-society male, because EVERYONE in the interaction must feel good. However, if the non-secret-society male is blowing himself out so badly that he makes the female member feel very bad emotions, then the secret-society-male must face the consequences of bringing negative emotions into the equation, and lose out on his privilege for sex in that interaction, until he ditches the non-secret-society male. Bear minimum requirements for non-secret-society males being grandfathered in with the male member, is that he not qualify himself or make anyone feel uncomfortable. Failing to meet those requirements, both are blown out.
 

StrayDog

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what moves are you making on women?

how many women are you approaching each day and striking up a conversation with them?

what sort of new tech are you trying each time you approach?

how many women are you attempting to number close?

what is your texting strategy to get them on dates?

how are you structuring your dates?

what is your strategy for pulling?

how often are you pulling?

what is your strategy for escalating?

how often are you escalating?

how do you manage objections?

what sort of objections are you getting?

start answering some of these questions and maybe you will have an improvement plan that is actually workable instead of living in a world of abstractions.

if there is a bottleneck at any of these points along the way you start from position 1 and go through the process again.

approach-hook-number/date close-text to set up date-run date structure-pull-escalte

wash rinse and repeat
 

StrayDog

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p.s post clear field reports of the steps you are taking and maybe some of the guys here can offer actionable insights. otherwise it's all kind of abstract and masturbatory.

you want to be "secret society"? become a man of action who speaks from experience. Even if that experience is at first limited. This is how every man who is "secret society" has found himself there
 
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OldGuy

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This "secret society" does not exist! The one that we talk about on the forum is no secret, just requires new learning. Read the threads and Chase's articles. (There are some other sources, but you are here already.)
 

Will_V

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Where is the problem?

You are not presenting yourself as a sexually attractive guy.

It's not enough to be 'on women's side'. She also has to want your dick.

I’m open to new crazy experiences

I'm not entirely sure you are, or you'd be banging these women instead of talking about them.
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

StrayDog

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I think about golf everyday, I'm supportive of people who golf, I even bought a golf club and everything. how come I'm not a member of the PGA already?
mean while, Tigers Woods be like

 
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Chase

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lol then you ain’t a member…

members have sex, understand sex first hand and have opinions of sex borne of having lots of sex.

what makes you qualify?

If you have to ask:

"I am a member of this club. Why won't the club let me in?"

... then you are not a member of the club.

I don’t judge anyone for having sex, I’m open to new crazy experiences, and I like to talk about sex. That is supposed to make me a very rare man and a secret society member.

Every needy, thirsty guy does this. "Hey, hey -- I don't judge, I don't judge. It's all good. Let's talk about sex. Are you getting horny yet?"

That is not "secret society." That is "thirsty dude who is trying to say what he thinks she wants to hear."
 

Atlas IV

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SOME RULES OF THE SECRET SOCIETY:
1. ⁠Don't talk about the secret society.
2. ⁠The priority of the secret society is to have perpetually good emotions in all members.
3. ⁠Create shrowds around the secret society, like "all men are dogs". Hide the truth that women are far more likely to cheat than men.
4. ⁠If you are part of the secret society, you will never be denied anything at any point.
5. ⁠If you are not part of the secret society, you will scrap and beg for everything you get.
6. ⁠Communication in the secret society is less often verbal, and more often spoken through bodylanguage subcommunications, and verbal subcommunications that would only make sense to members. Any other way, and the 48% of men would pick up on it, and it would no longer be a secret.
7. ⁠At the first sign that someone who is not part of the secret society is possibly trying to pretend that he is, barate him with both love-rhetoric, and accusations of chauvanism and nit-witted-ness.
This is fascinating. I wonder who came up with it or what fictional work it was drawn from? Certainly doesn't sound like something based in any reality I know of.

But I guess it's a good way to sell courses to sexually frustrated guys who are already sold on the "red pill" worldview.
 

Skills

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This is fascinating. I wonder who came up with it or what fictional work it was drawn from? Certainly doesn't sound like something based in any reality I know of.

But I guess it's a good way to sell courses to sexually frustrated guys who are already sold on the "red pill" worldview.
wrong is actually correct, is not to sell courses, is an old school way to address Madonna whore, is not really applicable to gen z, it was more a gen x stuff, that was teevester favorite article (teevester introduce me to the article) and came out with his own 2.0 adaptation...... it is satirical in nature... when teevester was promoting it, he was not even part of chase, had no commercial interest... when i was promoting it was not sell courses either, you don't get it... Just like op does not get it....





teevester adaptation:

 

James D

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You have to get laid first then we can talk about membership.
 

TrailBlazer

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You are not presenting yourself as a sexually attractive guy.

It's not enough to be 'on women's side'. She also has to want your dick.

Well I thought that being non-judgemental is the most attractive trait. I have all the other fundamentals pretty much in check. There are way less attractive guys getting laid. One thing I noticed is that they have a certain aloof sexual vibe which for me is difficult to adopt because it doesn’t build rapport with people. And I want to be liked, I don’t have my own source of self worth yet. But don’t tell me that all the guys who get lots of sex love themselves - I know plenty of them who actually hate themselves deep down!
 

TrailBlazer

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what makes you qualify?

The knowledge of how women actually work and what they want, I guess. Many guys don’t know that or are in denial.

If I need to have sex first to be a part of the club, then I won’t need the club! I care about the club because it should bring me closer to sex.

If the path to success is still dirty and painful and full of mess ups, then okay, but why am I being promised a club that should make everything easy?
 

TrailBlazer

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Every needy, thirsty guy does this. "Hey, hey -- I don't judge, I don't judge. It's all good. Let's talk about sex. Are you getting horny yet?"

That is not "secret society." That is "thirsty dude who is trying to say what he thinks she wants to hear."

God dammit. So what am I supposed to do to be seen as special and non judgemental then?

What is the missing piece? I do the approaches, I read the articles, I learn and adapt every day. I think I’m ready to be a “member”, but I don’t know how.

Is it about stopping the need to appear somehow to get something, and just… chilling? But I really, really want to be picked by women. In one other thread you told me that this need for closeness is normal for guys who haven’t had girlfriends yet, and that I need one to get it out of my system.

I doubt that the guys in this “secret society” are all healed, integrated men. I bet they have tons of problems and inner pains too. So it can’t be that hard to be one of them!
 

Chase

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is not really applicable to gen z, it was more a gen x stuff

That's an interesting point, @Skills.

Secret society is communicating to girls who like to hook up and party, or sneak out and have affairs away from their borefriends (old seduction name for "boyfriends"), that you are just like them, you also fool around and hook up, and do not want it getting out just like them; that you are on the level -- they can hook up with you and no one will ever know. Plus, you are in that environment, so you know how to take care of them sexually, in ways their borefriends and the other nice guy providers chasing after them do not and cannot even imagine exists.

With girls not really going out nearly as much, and people dating less in general, having sex less in general, having affairs less in general, and the social skills decline making all this subcommunication much less effective (she doesn't have the social skills to pick up on all the subtext of what you are saying), much of the secret society flies right over the average girl's head now, just like it flew over the heads of inexperienced girls decades ago.

The other side of it is there is not the kind of sexual double standard that was present decades ago. Partly that is how open everything is sexually... partly it is how cowed men have become; if some guy tries to shame a woman sexually, everyone just piles on and calls that guy a virgin incel.

Women used to gossip about their sex lives over Sunday brunch and try to keep their voices down. Now they just blast it out everywhere the same way men do -- louder even. Guys are afraid of being put on blast for talking about sexing women ("Misogynist!"). Girls have no such fear today.

Men in general used to have this "pure princess" idea about the girls they really liked 20 years ago. "Not my girl; she is not like that. She would never do such filthy things with a MAN!"

Whereas today it is mainstream for men to assume every girl is a nympho, they all have 20+ partners by age 25, every single one cheats, etc.

So if you are going up to a girl like, "Hey -- not me. I know how it is. We both know women like sex. 😉😉😉😉😉😉!"

She is just going to assume you got that off Reddit, TikTok, IG, X, etc., like every other guy who tries talking to her about that.

The Secret Society has become the Public Society.

(Which is not to say "Don't talk about sex." But it is a bit tone deaf now to be talking about it like you know some big secret the other guys don't know, which nowadays every guy knows, and actually assumes too far in the opposite direction.)

WEIRD POLARITY OBSERVATION: until circa 2010 or so, the "male default assumption" was "girls don't like sex, they only want relationships, most girls are good girls who only have sex in committed relationships, one-night stands are rare, female cheating is very, very rare." But then with the rise of red pill, by about 2020, the "male default assumption" had become "girl love sex with Chad, they want to get pumped by Chad, most girls are sluts for Chad who only make simps wait for sex, every girl has tons of one-night stands with Chad, female cheating is epidemic."

The earlier one was an extreme black-or-white position... but so is the current one.

That's the mainstream for you. It's either one extreme or another.

No nuance or accuracy for The Masses.

(It is also funny to me that the pre-2010 view is actually closer to today, with people hooking up less and having sex later and having few partners and divorcing/cheating less, whereas the post-2020 view is actually closer to the past. So, so weird.)

Chase
 
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