Socializing I am a Secret society member. Why don’t women want me?

[Skills]

brother this is @Bill not @CharmingPsychopath

Yes stupid phone

 

[Will_V]

I’m a new guy, only started pick up in 2019. But I’ve been reading the old forums since I was a child - for the better or worse. I’ve read and internalised the articles by Tyler when I was like 13.

It shows.

What you need to do is get out of your head and start getting out into the field, writing reports, identifying sticking points, and overcoming them.

Your head is swimming in PUA 'theory', and you can't see the forest for the trees. And your vague, generic, questions revolving around secret societies and gambit spamming reflects this.

None of our ancestors had any PUA manuals or gambit repertoires and they still got laid. Women and men both like to fuck and it's not as complicated to make it happen as you think.

You say you've done thousands of approaches and got little results. This is NOT a problem of not having some advanced technique at your disposal, but a question of having bad fundamentals or screwing up some basic step of the seduction process. And if you actually wrote a report I bet everyone would recognize and help you fix it fast, instead of getting into pointless debates about stuff that really isn't relevant to you.

 

[TrailBlazer]

It shows.

What you need to do is get out of your head and start getting out into the field, writing reports, identifying sticking points, and overcoming them.

Your head is swimming in PUA 'theory', and you can't see the forest for the trees. And your vague, generic, questions revolving around secret societies and gambit spamming reflects this.

None of our ancestors had any PUA manuals or gambit repertoires and they still got laid. Women and men both like to fuck and it's not as complicated to make it happen as you think.

You say you've done thousands of approaches and got little results. This is NOT a problem of not having some advanced technique at your disposal, but a question of having bad fundamentals or screwing up some basic step of the seduction process. And if you actually wrote a report I bet everyone would recognize and help you fix it fast, instead of getting into pointless debates about stuff that really isn't relevant to you.

The reason I don’t post field reports here is because I’m from Central Europe and the technology we use here is specific to our country. So I’m not sure that you guys (wherever you are from) would know the nuances of our culture. It’s a very different game compared to the US, Latam or even the UK. So I don’t want to learn stuff that would slow down my progress.

But yeah I did my homework and my main sticking points are mainly: fear of escalation and fear of success. Fear of escalation makes me very tense and fear of success makes me reject the girls that want me. With both, only time and experience can solve them..

I swim in the theory because it’s a nice break from practice. I can’t be on the street 24/7 so I try to maximise my learning potential.

 

[StrayDog]

The reason I don’t post field reports here is because I’m from Central Europe and the technology we use here is specific to our country. So I’m not sure that you guys (wherever you are from) would know the nuances of our culture. It’s a very different game compared to the US, Latam or even the UK. So I don’t want to learn stuff that would slow down my progress.

But yeah I did my homework and my main sticking points are mainly: fear of escalation and fear of success. Fear of escalation makes me very tense and fear of success makes me reject the girls that want me. With both, only time and experience can solve them..

I swim in the theory because it’s a nice break from practice. I can’t be on the street 24/7 so I try to maximise my learning potential.

so you don't want advice from the guys on this forum? many of whom have seduced women from and around the entire globe. because it will slow your progress, which so far has been THOUSANDS of approaches with minimal results.

what exactly is your purpose here then? if it is not to get advice and improve your game?

also, I am not getting women because fear of success sounds like the biggest cope ever. you don't even know if you could actually land these women if you actually tried.

guys I am starting to think this poster is not really interested in what we have to offer here. looking like helping him might be a waste of time.

 

[Will_V]

The reason I don’t post field reports here is because I’m from Central Europe and the technology we use here is specific to our country. So I’m not sure that you guys (wherever you are from) would know the nuances of our culture. It’s a very different game compared to the US, Latam or even the UK. So I don’t want to learn stuff that would slow down my progress.

Nice try, but no. Seduction differs very little wherever you go. Guys have been taking meat and potatoes seduction skills to every country on earth and having success since game began.

Seduction is not a cultural experience, but a sexual one. It goes right through cultural bs to the core nature of Man and Woman.

But yeah I did my homework and my main sticking points are mainly: fear of escalation and fear of success. Fear of escalation makes me very tense and fear of success makes me reject the girls that want me. With both, only time and experience can solve them..

Based on your level of success, I don't think you're in a position to diagnose yourself.

I swim in the theory because it’s a nice break from practice. I can’t be on the street 24/7 so I try to maximise my learning potential.

Uh, no. Something tells me you don't spend a whole lotta time on the street.

But if you are, feel free to write reports!

If you think the type of game on this forum somehow doesn't apply to your culture, I'm not sure why you're here.

 

[TrailBlazer]

so you don't want advice from the guys on this forum? many of whom have seduced women from and around the entire globe. because it will slow your progress, which so far has been THOUSANDS of approaches with minimal results.

what exactly is your purpose here then? if it is not to get advice and improve your game?

also, I am not getting women because fear of success sounds like the biggest cope ever. you don't even know if you could actually land these women if you actually tried.

guys I am starting to think this poster is not really interested in what we have to offer here. looking like helping him might be a waste of time.

I am interested in your input, otherwise I wouldn’t be asking questions and interacting. Let’s not be too quick to judge. Also the threads can help others in my situation in the future.

I’m the opposite of what you think, I take every advice very seriously and always try it. And so here I’m scared of getting advice that isn’t 100% catered to me and my culture (that’s the risk of asking on an international forum).

Fear of success is definitely real and my biggest problem. I do try with women despite the fear, but I sabotage myself in small, often subconscious ways. I work on those things (like walking away too soon, or the feeling of inferiority), but I do need to adress the fear of success as a

 

[StrayDog]

I am interested in your input, otherwise I wouldn’t be asking questions and interacting. Let’s not be too quick to judge. Also the threads can help others in my situation in the future.

I’m the opposite of what you think, I take every advice very seriously and always try it. And so here I’m scared of getting advice that isn’t 100% catered to me and my culture (that’s the risk of asking on an international forum).

Fear of success is definitely real and my biggest problem. I do try with women despite the fear, but I sabotage myself in small, often subconscious ways. I work on those things (like walking away too soon, or the feeling of inferiority), but I do need to adress the fear of success as a

it can indeed be helpful for guys in your position to be able to track the progress of someone from being in your position, to getting consistent results. that would certainly be a valuable contribution.

fear of escalation and success can be real things for sure. It can be very frustrating to be right there near success and watching yourself sabotage things.

Maybe it is just because of my personal journey, but I am not sure that focusing solely on mindset is the answer for you. It's too internal. too easy to spin your gears.

For me getting profient with the technical always went hand in hand with the mind set. Honestly beyond a certain point mindset had it's limitations, and it is the technicals that brought me next level.

I honestly believe that strong tech begets strong mindset.

I am not you, so I cannot be certain. But I would not be surprised if found rapid improvement by just exposing yourself to the field through a technical stand point. That perhaps, by putting yourself in enough opportunities where success immediately available, that you will eventually slip into it simply by being there and taking the steps to make it happen.

Now in terms of giving advice. Because my focus is on tech and processes the only way I can really help you is if you write reports focused on this aspect. I cannot speak for them, but I am sure many guys here with experience would feel similarly.

Until then the only piece of advice I have left to give you is to write reports, and if you want to hash out mindset things start a journal on the side. That way we can help with the tech, and you can work through your internal stuff in the journal, and if guys want to chime in there on mindset stuff they can. Other wise just keep posting reports.

That is about all I have to say for now

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

@CharmingPsychopath Again you are just repeating yourself if he wrote an article to sell, first you have no proof, from my understanding he wrote that in masf... I have never spent a dollar not eve 2 cents on rsd.. second what does that has to do with the content of the article?? You are just derrailing, speculaing and tbh wasting my time and repeating yourself....

I don't know what your problem is, but you act like you're either trolling or having trouble reading with comprehension.

But how will a “not very advanced” guy pass tests, build compliance, stay out of auto rejection, and be good enough in bed? That’s all very advanced game.

He simply encounters the right girl, who is not too difficult.

Yeah and slowly but surely it shows, but progress

Nice.

Not really, I’ve had some really good successes.

Great.

But does it have to be even night game?

The guys that I know who are good all did night game. Some did day game as well, some did not.

BTW I'm not saying the same cannot be achieved with day game alone - but personally I don't know anybody who has achieved that with only day game.

Aren’t there secret society members who, for instance, play PC games?

What do PC games have to do with it?

Contrary to stereotypes, many good seducers play PC or console games. It doesn't really matter that much what you do in your "spare time".

I’m a new guy, only started pick up in 2019. But I’ve been reading the old forums since I was a child - for the better or worse. I’ve read and internalised the articles by Tyler when I was like 13.

Ouch. Many people who followed him became weird, socially miscalibrated and strangely oblivious to how women think and react.

I don’t like the guy’s vibe at all, but with the theory, he always seems to just get it.

He was often wrong about theory. Too much emphasis on strange concepts and trying to be original to impress the community, trying to be cutting edge intellectual/writer, while not enough emphasis on common sense and fundamentals.

The reason I don’t post field reports here is because I’m from Central Europe and the technology we use here is specific to our country.

Technology is specific how? Can you name the country? It's not like somebody is going to identifiy you by country alone.

guys I am starting to think this poster is not really interested in what we have to offer here. looking like helping him might be a waste of time.

I get a feeling he got sucked into "compulsive intellectualist/analyst" trap.