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The Tool

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in light of recent events i have noticed alot of negativeity. lack of morels and ethics on this forum. i am quite frankly disgusted. i like to surround myself in a positive environment with positive people. This forum is not what it was when i started. So as of now I QUIT and will be asking to deactiveate my account as soon as i contact those POSITIVE people i wish to stay in contact with.


cheers

TOOL
 

Richard

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After a night of Xbox Live, talking and discussing the boards, we've reached the same conclusions.

I've never seen Tool, quite frankly, so pissed about anything before.

The site has truly lost it's luster, and it's no longer the site that housed my growth.

So quite honestly, I'm DONE as well.
 
you miss 100% of the shots you don't take

trashKENNUT

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Tool, Z,

I'm not gonna beg you guys But this isn't about me. It's about Chase. I feel that Chase given me an opportunity to help other guys, and also help him in his business in any ways i can. Probably not the best value i can offer,

but i want you guys to consider what's your end goal in mind. :)

Zac
 

Just_Dave

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I'm actually at a loss for words right now . . . losing the "hottest" girl doesn't nearly hurt as much as losing possibly two of my closest friends on this forum . . .

Just_Dave's reaction to the Tool and Z leaving the forum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzQQoaK4xRU *Last good DBZ reference*
 

The Tool

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I have nothing against Chase, this is not my intent. Chase's morels and ethics essentially match my own. And he has done so much for me I will always do nothing but sing his praise. I wish his business nothing but the best and I am only quitting this forum, perhaps if chase and time allow i will write some articles. BUT THEY WILL ONLY BE RELATIONSHIP ARTICLES or by some odd chance a "how to pick up older women article"

Some guys I want to give a shout out too who I see real promise in.

Cassavona Jr, Marty, Dern, Ozzo, and The Wise Fool. Keep up the good work. I see excellent things from you guys. I hope you have learned some things from me that you can use and have taken to heart. I wish you 5 all the best in your endeavors.

Cheers, The Tool

@Dave. I know buddy, But we will keep in touch =)
 

PinotNoir

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Well, that sucks, and I certainly hope that I have not been any part of the reason for anybody on the forums leaving. Sometimes text can come across emotionless/aggressive, when it's not how people mean it.

I'm sure your College Game post will live on forever, and I wish I had had that when I was in college.

For complete beginners, I think it's just natural to first question the morals/ethics. When you're able to understand the community better, you can then embrace and practice the material with a clearer head. And as we progress through life, new ethical questions always pop up.

Maybe there should be a new section for discussing Morals/Ethics? And any discussion on that should be held there. That way we don't see it crop up in a field report and completely distract from the OP. And for people that don't want to discuss such issues, they can just ignore that section of the forums.

Best of luck to you,
Pinot
 

trashKENNUT

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PinotNoir,

PinotNoir said:
Maybe there should be a new section for discussing Morals/Ethics? And any discussion on that should be held there.

Nah... trust me, everyone has a different interpretation of "morals/ethics". Some don't share the same values as you do. If we didn't act like small children (which humans do, especially when it comes to morals,values,beliefs) due to the recent post and my old post about "God", we definitely have a thread that can understand life better.

Until then, until at least the negativity dissipates, we shall let it rest. (Because i would love to discuss about the "God" topic, too. because i studying about the universe in a way.)

Zac
 

Richard

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Zac,

My goal in joining this site was to help guys out who had problems with women. However, I don't want to help guys that uphold morals polar opposite to my own. I may want to help a man make money, but I won't do so by helping him rob a bank.

There's been a clear change in the boards from when I just started to now. I want to continue helping, but I feel I will only do so when the site I know is back.

Pinot,

Nothing you've said or done has contributed to this. You were there helping me out when I started, and you've helped with my growth. Sadly, not everyone on the site is like you =/

You've got a lot going for you buddy, and I wish you luck Pinot.

Dave,

I just inboxed you ;)
 

Thedoctor

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Hey guys,

I guess I'm a little sporadic on the boards in that I don't read every topic posted. I did read Chase's recent article on being civilized:

https://www.girlschase.com/content/civilized-man (In case anyone hasn't read it).

But, other than a couple members (and Chase has addressed this in his etiquette post), I think the boards are pretty much the same they've always been since I joined.

Did I miss something? Can someone fill me in?

-Doc
 

trashKENNUT

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Z Vaunswa,

Z Vaunswa said:
My goal in joining this site was to help guys out who had problems with women. However, I don't want to help guys that uphold morals polar opposite to my own. I may want to help a man make money, but I won't do so by helping him rob a bank.

IT''s a bit sad.. I can see this from two ways, One is that you setting a distinction that you are not eager to help guys who uphold morals opposite to yours. Another, you judging people that hold values different to yours. IT's the sort of thing where some people call influence, another person call it manipulation.

LEt me clear from my side with you, in case.

I understand that people have reservations on sleeping with married women, and that's you, too. I involved myself in a serious manner because i saw what i perceive is an "attack" on other person's values/beliefs/whatever you want to call it. Whether that value is right or wrong, It's sticky and we shall let it past. I guess when values start coincide, you know who you really are. and that sometimes can draw lines between people. :)

On the boards, it's the same as everywhere you go. You see people come and go, but then There's people you forgotten who is progressing even if they are good already. Our beloved...

NarrowJ
Marty
Big Daddy (if i'm not mistaken)
Tyme2k (sometimes he be here)
Just_Dave (who's back again)
PrettyDecent
Thedoctor
Novacane
ozzo
Mr Rob
determined
Whizzy
TheWiseFool
xcrunner
PinotNoir

Our values may coincide, but this people are positive. Whether you stay...it's not for me to say, but you can always opt not to answer certain questions especially when you know your own values, It's a bit sappy but again i just list out people who create a positive environment.

Zac
 

Chase

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Sorry to hear this, fellas. Richard, I've been meaning to send you an email all week asking you which individuals specifically you feel like are polluting the culture; even if the two of you gents aren't here, I'd still like to get those details from you. I have an idea where some of this is coming from, and it pisses me off. I'm a lover of peace and Zen and mutual growth, and when my Zen is disrupted by angry, cynical voices I am an unhappy man. I'm already taking steps to clean the boards up.

One of the things I've heard from Franco is that part of the contributing vibe here is a "down on monogamy" vibe lately, so I'm jumping in to set the record straight on that too - this post:

Yes, Monogamy Works

Anyway, Tool, Richard - you will both be missed, but I respect your decisions; I don't like being places that mess with my harmony either. However, before you go, I hope you'll help give me a few pointers and the Tools I need to get this place back up in ship-shape in your memory ;) Sending you both an email.

Chase
 

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Zac-

ZacAdam said:
Tool, Z,

I'm not gonna beg you guys But this isn't about me. It's about Chase. I feel that Chase given me an opportunity to help other guys, and also help him in his business in any ways i can. Probably not the best value i can offer,

but i want you guys to consider what's your end goal in mind. :)

Zac

Thanks for thinking of me, but that's not a reason to stay on a forum. I support Richard and Tool for getting out of a place that they feel has become bad for their inner calm, and I'd support anyone else who does the same.

Quite frankly, if this becomes some sort of thing I can't reverse where the good guys bail and the cynics stick around to harp and crow, I'll pull the plug on this and leave the boards as a read-only relic and just focus on the main site... I don't want cynicism and negativity tainting Girls Chase, because that affects everyone who has anything to do with it for the worse.

For now though, I'm pulling out my industrial strength detergent - it's time to clean house.

Chase
 

TheWiseFool

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What kept me at the site weren't any of the articles that dealt with seducing women, but the ones that focused on teaching and building those who come here to grow as better human beings. I don't care as much for sex as most guys do, I am just glad that people have actually put what I think about constantly on paper for people to take from and share as well as the community that I found here on the forums when I first joined.

I strongly encourage the guys here on the forums that have power and leverage, Tribal Leaders, to come together and discuss the necessary actions that must be carried out to bring the community back to a state of harmony.

Before reading the rest of my post, I ask that those of you who are not doing well with the stress or negativity to please watch this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wgpvi83CXjY
I understand that negativity and unproductive behavior only slows growth, but I see much more going on beneath the surface. Times of stress should not be looked at as a bad thing but as growth. The community is growing, the system is hitting a new roof. MAIN POINT FROM THE VIDEO: Either the system will adapt to change or it will crumble. It is up to the leaders of this community, Chase and Franco and any other people they consult, to channel what is going on and drive us all towards where they want us to be. To LEAD as Chase and many of the GC articles teach. I ask Tool and Richard to please get together with the other guys and cut out unwanted aspects of the forum. You guys can do this. Create the community (the society) you want here. This place is amazing and I find myself dumbfounded at times at how warm and positive it is compared to other forums I've seen.

If you need some radio silence and distance to think, I understand. I do that too. I also don't do well with negative ones because of my past, but I encourage you guys to talk it out. The ideal situation is that we can all come together and talk it out and understand each others perspectives in a non-judgemental manner, but life is never perfect. Too many of us, each with his own perspective and interpretations and personality.

Possible things that can/should be done:
1. Get most trusted individuals together
2. Get what you want and don't want on paper
3. How you will achieve the desired outcome
4. Test, observe, record results, conclusions, retest (Constantly evolve)

I don't know how to observe on a real time basis. One of the things that comes to mind is a rating system for each user. +1 for positive and productive behavior and -1 for negative and unproductive behavior. Different milestones hit will indicate to admins and moderators what should be done. -20 is warning, -40 is suspension, -50 is removal from forums. Positive rating, could be split into two: one for experience and/or one for behavior.
If possible, a page for each user with ANONYMOUS reviews from other users that ONLY the respective user can see. I believe this provides feedback to each of us from the community and indicates what we need to fix about ourselves without coming to find another user and verbally harass them.
I would even say that self-assessments are greatly suggested (Journaling), although not mandatory. Allows each of us to look inside of ourselves and reflect on what we are doing and collecting from our environment. To question ourselves and see if we are headed in the right direction.
A thread exclusive to the top guys that expresses what they've seen and would like to see, but is visible to the public (public can't say anything though, just look). Allows users to introspect more and adjust to the desired direction that the leaders of the community want to head in.

Just need to provide constant feedback and assessment is key, on short-term and long-term. People need a direction but they also MUST be willing to change themselves. This site is more than just seduction, but teaches us how to be the people look at and think, "How can I be more like them?"

This sounds like a lot of work and I'm asking too much (I probably am). But everything can be taken in baby steps. Using what we got by creating threads and just discussing together what we want. Most of all... someone will always come off looking like the bad guy. There'll always a figure head. But look at the most influential and beneficial individuals in our lives. They aren't always the nicest or kindest, but they get the job done. "And a man, a man provides. And he does it even when he's not appreciated, or respected, or even loved. He simply bears up and he does it. Because he's a man."

I'm still a nobody here but I want what's best for everyone so here's my two cents. Use or don't use, it's here for you guys :)
- The Wise Fool
 

Thedoctor

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Very well said, WiseFool!

I'd hate t o see any member leave this site, especially two elders. It would be good to collaborate and find a solution. Although, I think the key is vigilance. Its very easy to allow the forum to be overrun with negativity if we allow it. Once this happens, it spreads like cancer. It would be even worse if the forum becomes a read-only.

I guess I've just ignored negative topics in the past and I shouldn't have done so. Though, I'm not that high in the ranking system, this is what I could have done to contribute in maintaining a good positive forum. We all need to pitch in to prevent this from happening again.

I'd like to thank Chase, Franco, and others who put in their time and effort in
making the site and forum what it is!

-Doc
 

Marty

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Tool,

Thanks for your kind words... I know I have put some exasperating and clueless questions in front of you and you have always had the patience to answer lucidly.

I am totally with you on the unnecessary negativity—I normally refrain from responding but I have rolled my eyes on countless occasions recently (and once I did respond quite forcefully). And, if you're still reading the threads, I don't know exactly what you had in mind when you spoke of "lack of ethics", but if you mean psychological vampirism and the sheer ungratefulness of people receiving gracious, no-extra-charge advice and then throwing it back in the faces of their benefactors, I have to say I agree with you wholeheartedly. That's pretty unethical and in addition, it's counterproductive for the people concerned.

Here's to a return to the originally intended spirit and mission of this forum!

All the best,
Marty
 

trashKENNUT

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Chase said:
Thanks for thinking of me, but that's not a reason to stay on a forum.

Okay fine, Give me that detergent, Let me help you clear this site with that DETERGENT!

Zac
 

Ross

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Okay fine, Give me that detergent, Let me help you clear this site with that DETERGENT!

Hahaha :).

Crisis typically lends itself to solutions. Best thing to do is continue to work at it. As Thedoctor said,

It would be good to collaborate and find a solution.
 

Mr.Rob

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I'd hate t o see any member leave this site, especially two elders. It would be good to collaborate and find a solution. Although, I think the key is vigilance. Its very easy to allow the forum to be overrun with negativity if we allow it. Once this happens, it spreads like cancer. It would be even worse if the forum becomes a read-only.

I guess I've just ignored negative topics in the past and I shouldn't have done so. Though, I'm not that high in the ranking system, this is what I could have done to contribute in maintaining a good positive forum. We all need to pitch in to prevent this from happening again.

I'd like to thank Chase, Franco, and others who put in their time and effort in
making the site and forum what it is!

Well said Doc, I'm on board with that. I as well have pretty much just ignored and put up a blind eye to negative stuff except for the last big barrage on the "Whats wrong with GC" post. But that was hard not to spot.

I think we make a pact saying that if and when any of us gets unnecessarily out of line, negative, or psychic vampirish a member can immediately call us out and rebuke us. "Mr. Rob your being a negative nancy! Clean your act and mind up or your out of here!" Or to a newer member "Hey newbie1234 it's cool that you have an opinion but we don't get off like that you're going to have to get a better attitude, one more conducive to growth not degeneration. Learn how to express an opinion in a correct way or we're going to have to give you the boot. Here's an example: (Give the dude an example so he's given a way to improve next time)"

Am I crazy? would this work or not?

Better yet we'll have shock nutsack clamps that you have to put on when you log on to the forum here and anytime you post something in a negative light the computer automatically analyzes it and shocks your scrotum. No more whining and complaining that opener xyz doesn't work now bitches!

Personally if I ever get negative or out of line I'm delegating power to each and every one of you to put me back in place (or if I just start talking shit without even knowing what I'm talking about... as referenced in one of my last posts lol) and tell me knock it off or beat it.

Your thoughts?

-Rob
 

trashKENNUT

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Mr Rob

Mr.Rob said:
Personally if I ever get negative or out of line I'm delegating power to each and every one of you to put me back in place (or if I just start talking shit without even knowing what I'm talking about... as referenced in one of my last posts lol) and tell me knock it off or beat it.

Your thoughts?

Just PM the moderators, as Chase noted himself. That will be easier than to pinpoint mistakes of others. That will not help anybody.

Zac
 

Richard

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Hindsight is always 20/20.

It's easy to say that it would've been better to talk about it first after the fact. This is a time where we felt that actions were stronger than words, and that a dramatic shift would only occur after a dramatic move.

Think about the difference between gentle acknowledgement and impacting action.

"Hey, I'd like to tell you about something. An idea has just gone to my head, and I figured I'd share it with you before I do it, are you ready to listen? Okay, I'm going to rob you. I'm going to take this gun out of my pocket, put it to your head, and tell you to give me your money, okay, ready?"

vs.

"Gimme your motherfucking money!" *Gun cocks!*

Which has a more profound impact, and which gets you to act more immediately?

Same thing here:

"Chase - There's something that's been on my mind lately. The boards seem to be... blah blah, and some members seem to be spewing blah blah..."

vs.

"Chase - I'm leaving the boards because of blah blah!"
 
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